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[–]MegamanOmega 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

sigh It's a pity to see you leave for this. I was looking forward to see what you'd be able to come up with if you took a small step into Touhou. But I guess it wasn't to be.

Ya know, this is what I feared most about this run. I've looked forward to Touhoumon for so long but I feel by playing it alongside Moemon a lot of people who only know what Moemon is will just prejudge and dismiss it going solely by Moemon's infamy instead of giving it a chance.

[–]20stalksRIP CMAAÄÄ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh well, that seems to be the theme of season 2 TPP so far. Like when Anniversary Red became "too hard" or "hopeless" at one point, it really exposed all the true inner toxic pessimists we had. With this upcoming run, it exposes the squeamish and the prudish.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the discussion earlier today I learned more about Touhou and found Touhoumon to have more redeeming merits, if still a bit iffy, over Moemon's infamy. While Touhoumon wouldn't be the worst thing for TPP and the show will go on, I think a Pokémon run would better serve TPP, ultimately. For Moemon it's difficult to find redeeming qualities for. For you, as a fan of Touhoumon, keeping the two separate will definitely help your case. I for one am keeping them completely separate in mind now, and judging them each on their own merits instead of lumping them together. :) So I get where you're coming from. Thanks for sharing.

[–]Fredfuchs285Fettish Simulator 2015 incoming! 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (13子コメント)

In Emerald M4 (and some of the other mons aswell) were portrayed as humanized Pokemon. So why don't we just do it the other way around this time and Pokemonize humans?

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Then why not just play Pokémon? :P

[–]Fredfuchs285Fettish Simulator 2015 incoming! 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Lets be honest: We have done stupider gimmicks in the past. I would love this just for the random "because we can" factor.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I enjoy stupid. But stupid is not equal to treading grey moral waters. In this instance you're being naive if you think anything can or should be done just "because we can".

[–]xFXx 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the whole point of TPP is to do things "because we can". However i do agree that fetishising little girls is a pretty bad idea and we shouldn't be playing something that does that. That being said. from what i read the moe trope is not in the first place fetishism. To quote tvtropes: "A common definition is that Moe is the ability of a character to instill in the audience an irrational desire to adore them, hug them, protect them, comfort them, etc. To evoke a sort of Big Brother Instinct, in men and women."

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lesbians.

[–]Fredfuchs285Fettish Simulator 2015 incoming! -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tell that to the creators of these rom hacks.......

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, absolutely!

[–]tribblepuncherPLASMAAAAR! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because we're running out of games.

Seriously.

I'm not too sure how many worthwhile ROM hacks are out there. What's more, the Streamer probably isn't too concerned with Lore; in fact, I don't think they pay attention to it at all.

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No. Just no. There's already a clear reason in touhoumon and that is that they're puppets. It has a fully fleshed out story, and since we're playing it with moemon, which has no explanation, it's explanation will bleed over. To assume that it is wrong and still go with it at all is just sad. But you're totally right about the running out of games thing.

[–]tribblepuncherPLASMAAAAR! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not assuming that it's wrong. I honestly know nothing about it. I am however answering the "Why not just play Pokemon?" question, and making a note regarding lore (which I believe is in the initial post).

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sorry, the whole the PC has done worse thing threw me off.

[–]tribblepuncherPLASMAAAAR! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I took that out of the post after I thought about it. You commented roughly around the time I pulled that out.

Noting that it could be a simulation run by the PC in its insanity (as I put in the original post) was basically an idea I put in there so people who don't like the impact on lore can essentially handwave it away, not really a comment about the game itself.

[–]AOMRocks20THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A LEECH KING 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, this still is Pokemon, just with different sprites.

[–]EstaSigmaThe Origin 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, given how mature Twitch Plays Pokemon can be (Robopon main-character naming in Democracy, anyone?), I wouldn't blame anyone for having low expectations for how mature people will be for Touhoumon and Moemon.

However, only the 1st stage Pokemon tend to be "little". Given Touhoumon's difficulty, keeping Pokemon unevolved [and therefore cute] will not be practical in the slightest, at least as far as Touhoumon is concerned. The base stats just tend to scale a lot more, especially if we're playing a game based on 1.5.

Moemon... if people recall how Emerald went, then they probably know that it will be Emerald Mark 2.

[–]ChezMere 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Heh, I'd hate to see your reaction to every anime.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I love great animation and storytelling period, and many of my favourite movies and series are anime. The fanservicey ones? You absolutely would. Just as much as I cringe at certain cartoons produced in North America or the UK for certain reasons.

[–]ChezMere 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

...hold on a sec, didn't you already make a moe song?

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was poking fun, tongue in cheek, at what I perceived as stereotypical portrayal of certain otaku/weeaboo/etc interests. It was never intended to be a "moe song" and my voice is more Trapinch in the song, saying, "What the hell is this?" That's the gag. I didn't even have that word moe bouncing around my mind until this week, and not only that, but I treated the character Aooo as an adult. If I got that wrong then I was naive and I know better now from reading this. So it's not my endorsement, it's my "ironically making fun of" as more of an outsider to those themes. I have never known so much about "moe", etc. until today.

[–]ChezMere 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well yeah. It's the accusation that it's something more sinister for the rest of us that's weird.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I get it. I know I don't like being told something that I've spent time and energy isn't what I thought it was. It's happened to me with some pretty big life things. It hurts if you think it means something about you personally. I understand that, completely. But the truth is it doesn't mean that at all. This isn't personal attack against anyone here. Everyone I've talked to on here rocks. It's only the ideas and themes I've tackled. It's truly not personal and I think all ideas can and should be questioned. That's better for everybody. :)

[–]Mensabender 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So you're an SNK>Kill la Kill (first fanservicey that comes to mind) anime watcher?

Like most of us.

[–]LumisauAIIIAAB blacked out! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, KlK actually had a lot of fun and clever plot elements and some really memorable characters. It was definitely ecchi, but there was more to it than stripping to near-naked (and it was equal opportunity, to boot!)

Something like To-Love Ru, however...

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely Mensabender

[–]i_may_be_error 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (18子コメント)

"Moe" is a word so overused, it doesn't really mean anything anymore. Nowadays, it's used for anything that's somewhat cute. Don't know too much about Moemon, but I don't think it's anything like a fetish game, it's just humanized cute Pokémons. Oh, and please don't treat Touhoumon as the same thing. Touhoumon is just a fangame based on a popular series of games, which happens to mostly feature female characters, and the "little girls" aspect only apply to the pre-evolutions.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I think I've accurately stood my ground on where I am with the subject in other comments, but I'll address two things.

One, words are powerful and shape the way we see reality, including when we use words to say "other words do not have meaning", so I wouldn't use that in itself as a reliable way to verify whether or not the truth of any certain point. "A rose by any other name..."

Secondly, and building on that first point, Touhoumon is very similar to being moe (as was the original context of the word) without being called moe. I admit I don't know much else about Touhou other than it's a shooter series, and I don't have a problem with girl protagonists in any way, shape, or form. Go powerpuff girls. When the context and vehicle for presenting those protagonists is not about the shooting gameplay mechanic, but presented in a context of capturing, raising, breeding, and "primping up the appearance" of these girls and young adult I think it falls in pretty much the exact same category as "Moemon". It gets creepy and comes off more like building a harem. I understand this is called "fanservice". Whatever you want to call it, it's in no way in my interests.

[–]MegamanOmega 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I REALLY wish you wouldn't lump Touhou in the same bit as Moemon. The pokemon are not "little girls" they're dolls. Couple that with the fact that your choices in protagonists are between two different girls you're saying that a game about a girl playing with dolls is automatically grounds for perversion.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (14子コメント)

As I said I don't know much about Touhou. I'm talking about Touhoumon, the thing based on the thing. Touhou could be a shining light of inspiration and empowerment and anti-perversion for all the people in the world for all I know , but I explained the context of Touhoumon and how it comes off similarly to moemon. Two romhacks meant to accomplish the same purpose, a certain type of fanservice. This says nothing for good or bad about Touhou itself.

Also, I never said choosing between female characters or enjoying a story with female leads make you a pervert. Why in the world would I think that? I like seeing strong female leads who are empowered, just as much as a male protagonist. And for the record, I would feel just as uncomfortable with either of these titles if they were about male characters. Similar sort of fanservice.

[–]MegamanOmega 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Well, the way I see it is that I've seen in the past what people have already done with Touhoumon and I've never seen it come off as perverted or wrong in the way you're implying.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion and I can respect that. In all honesty I agree with you wholeheartedly regarding Moemon. But when you take it a step further and insist that the people of the subreddit actively boycott the stream in protest, that is very insulting to the new and longtime fans of the series as a whole.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I have been misunderstood if you thought I was calling for a boycott. I see it democratically. It's not my choice ultimately what gets played, I can only hope to influence. Of course after stating my points I want to play another game, and I'm happy hearing from others who share my sentiment. Maybe they're not as vocal and I'd like them to make their opinion heard. If TPP chooses to play these titles so be it. To make it clear there is no insult to new or longtime fans of the series "as a whole" and that's a misunderstanding that I don't find others are sharing. Also I love TPP. I give my full support to the great lore and artwork vetted by the subreddit as it's been created, is being created, and will be created moving forward. My focus is solely on the little girl premise with moemon. I will take another look at Touhoumon since it's been said a few times that there's a difference between the two and I could be missing something.

[–]MegamanOmega 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Let's make a definitive stance here and keep that great streak going - and not participate in a culture that encourages fetishism around children. It's just too damn close to the line-more like stepping a foot over it. But no harm no foul yet, there's just no need to go any further. As a fellow fan and as an invested creator in TPP, I sincerely encourage you guys to make a stand and let Reddit, the web, twitch, the streamer and everyone who stumbles upon this community to know that it stands on better ideals.

If that wasn't you calling for a boycott of sorts than I apologize for assuming such.

Honestly being a Touhou fan means I 'd always find myself defending that the series isn't "just a bunch of loli crap" to that end I tend to avoid most communities because of that.

It just saddens me that after both seeing people looking forward to Touhoumon and myself being excited over it I now find myself in the position to defend it from people instantly judging it for its worst possible outcome before even giving it a chance in a community I've grown to love over the past year.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm looking further into Touhoumon at this moment. It's possible I misunderstand the differences between Moemon and Touhoumon. Thanks for sharing. Will update shortly.

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What exactly would you do if you find out you're wrong about it? This is an honest question: I'm not sure what I would do if I found out a game that's really awesome is streaming alongside one I consider stupid.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would just keep things separate. Food is not evil if a restaurant is a front for a crime organization. :) So I won't make the "BECAUSE" blunder. ("Because this then that".) I'll just say "this is this" and "that is that".

Personally if I end up finding out I misunderstood Touhoumon and it was playing next to Moemon-I would still skip but I wouldn't think Touhoumon was inherently harmful. I'm going to develop more of my thoughts on this. Will update shortly.

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But it's not for fan service. They're puppets. Unless there's some weird puppet subculture I'm unaware of (if there is I would like to remain blissfully unaware, thank you,) that's not fanservice. If it was, then it would be an epic failure. A quick glance at the wiki shows a complicated plot revolving around the fact they're puppets. If it was just an excuse, why draw so much attention to it? Plus, by the logic that plot explaining things is just an excuse, pokemon is about animal abuse.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm going to take another look at Touhoumon and take your points into consideration.

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glad to hear it!

[–]i_may_be_error 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Fanservice" is kind of the right word for Touhoumon, it was mostly made for the fans, by the fans... Hence why I understand a lot of people not being interested in it, like you. But what I'm defending is that it isn't really creepy or a fetish game, like you said in your OP. Touhou has had a lot of fangames and romhacks over the years, and has parodied almost everything (including stuff like Mother and Age of Empires, yes, seriously), a pokémon romhack (or rather, several) was inevitable. The reason why it's so popular is because it was a fun and well designed romhack, not because of weird fetishism.

[–]Soul_RipperMy friend, how could you go? 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (6子コメント)

How about making more AR songs in the meantime?

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Totally my plan! Got an album to finish! ;)

[–]Soul_RipperMy friend, how could you go? 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]BarbedFire 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'd personally like a Sam and Scarlette song. Keeping Scarlette female as according to some lore, because...whatever. Or actually a song about all of the Sooners would be awesome

[–]TrollkittenSo I'm a werewolf, deal with it 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, I want an entire series of Lion King-esque songs.

All the Voices up-left...

All the Voices B-right...

Everywhere that we urn...

I'll be in the spotlight...

Oh, I juuuust can't wait to be queen!

Sam and Scarlette could sing "Can You Feel The Love Tonight," together, and the Mime could sing Scar's song about killing the Leech King. And, obviously, there'd have to be "Kakuna Matata."

[–]Kvm1999AUTOMATICLYRECORD 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

LLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, SAVENYAAAAAAAAAAA, WE HAVE A CHARMANDAAAAAAAA!!!

[–]Soul_RipperMy friend, how could you go? 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Scarlette? I'm gonna assume that's a name for the first Persian we had? Anyways, I'd like a song about teh urn, or the catch 'em all part of the playthrough.

[–]pigdevil2010pigu pls 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This means that you will get your album done soon?

Yeah, I kind of agree with you. Making a song about little girls while having a "Helix Symphony" as an artist name is weird.

However, please finish your album soon! Can't wait to show something to you when you finished it <3

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes! On the flipside I will have plenty of time to catch up to these songs, haha! Woah you have something to show me? Alright! Sounds cool! :)

[–]TrollkittenSo I'm a werewolf, deal with it 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (16子コメント)

It's challenging for me to think the basis of the games is based on anything other than fetishism or naivety.

Seeing as I don't know anything about the games at all, I'm not even gonna assume that they are based on that either. I'm trying to reserve my judgment for when we actually play the games.

That being said, Crystal and Emerald had our 'mons as armies, so I'll probably be viewing the urns more as amassing an army of magical girls and an army of magical puppets in a race to fight evil and become the very best.

Unfortunately, there have always been very rude people in the chat, so I can understand your viewpoint completely.

[–]BarbedFire 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm thinking along similar lines. I'm probably gonna give the chat a chance, but if everything ends up being ...creepy, and not in a fun way, as regards lore and everything in general then I too will probably sit it out. I like the armies idea, it would make for interesting lore to determine where things stand in this season. 'Are the two games related to AR?' etc.

[–]TrollkittenSo I'm a werewolf, deal with it 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've already seen some people theorize that Vietnam Crystal's "Elf's World" is a lead-in to Touhoumon and Moemon. Particularly with "Baba" being often portrayed as a Magikarp/Gyarados gijinka (or just as a girl -- or elf -- in a costume).

[–]micmanguy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The hacks themselves are fine. But the chat will certainly take "beating misty" to a whole new level of cringe and it will be happening constantly. My vote is a definite "no" for these hacks.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The armies idea makes sense of course, but while Pokémon has a basically innocent fantasy premise that doesn't set off internal alarms for people (unless it's the 90's and you're a crazy person who thinks Pokémon are demons or something haha), the Touhoumon and Moemon premise is based on an entire world and culture of capturing and raising little girls for battle, and having them reproduce so you can create more as pets. Sure you could turn it into an army... but you could do that for Pokémon and that it wouldn't be twisted.

**edit: see my edited original post. I'm keeping Touhoumon and Moemon separate now. Whereas in early comments like this I was lumping them together.

[–]RavenscroftRavenFear the Corruption 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Remember, click on someone in chat to bring up a mute command.

Mute even five or six people, and its amazing how much more polite the chat is, it's really just a handful of troublemakers, the 13-year-old trolls who think "boobies" is a swear word to be spammed as often as possible.

[–]20stalksRIP CMAAÄÄ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh, muting is for people who easily get effected by words that really shouldn't mean anything or taken seriously given the context of the kind of people who say them. For example, when talking about reproductive health to elementary school students, their immature reaction should have already been expected and just ignored since when they really won't mean what they say when they get older.

[–]RavenscroftRavenFear the Corruption 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, however the context of this is 16-24 year olds watching a game of pokemon, not 8 year olds learning about the birds and bees.

[–]who1499 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I actually really really like this view point. I'm super against us playing, but if its going to happen, I really would like it to be more of a Magical girl army angle then....well...anything else the chat will come up with.

[–]TrollkittenSo I'm a werewolf, deal with it 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really would like it to be more of a Magical girl army angle then....well...anything else the chat will come up with.

I'd love to see Twitch Plays Magical Girl Army, yes.

[–]who1499 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like I said though, these games ARE a bad idea, and I will fight tooth and nail to play anything else.

But if it does end up being played, well, I hope we can at least have that.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thanks for understanding my viewpoint. I think it's good to reserve judgement generally. However, without having played it, the research keeps triggering my gut, and I trust my gut. Just to be extra clear to people who are reading what I have to say, in this case, the headcanons, and transformative lore of such seems to be a way of doing mental gymnastics to make something which seems unpleasant more palpatable. Perhaps it's possible to wrap up the experience as such and focus on creating that image in the mind the whole time, but the truth as I see it is it's a game based on keeping living, basically human puppets based on little girls as pets. Why little girls? Maybe this is a conversation for a distant cyber future where it's socially acceptable to have robot girls as pets/daughters or something, but I'm not feelin' it. That wouldn't exist in the real world-and this has nothing to do with the "fantasy" of Pokémon or magic vs. the real world. It has to do with what I see as a fantasy morality vs. a real one. It was probably the worldview of a small group of people, or maybe even one person, who made each of these titles. To me it's a fantasy worldview and even with the best of intentions, it's a very NAIVE one. I don't think it worthwhile to celebrate or applaud that worldview, so I'm bowing out.

[–]TrollkittenSo I'm a werewolf, deal with it 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

the puppet/doll headcanon

Actually, I heard that that was the real canon for Touhoumon.

Anyway, the reason I'm sticking with it is because someone has to be providing less-creepy viewpoints in order to ensure that the more-creepy viewpoints are NOT the only viewpoints out there. For instance, that's how I came up with the "trucker Mew" headcanon -- because the previous suggestion was religiously... far, far too far.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're right, that is the real canon of the games, and I address it as the real canon later in my paragraph. In that instance, though, I still meant headcanon. I edited to remove puppet/doll to make it more clear. It refers to, in your words, "creating less creepy viewpoints". I'll say again: doing mental gymnastics to make something which seems unpleasant more palpatable

[–]TrollkittenSo I'm a werewolf, deal with it 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Okay, glad I could be of service! *tips nonexistent hat!

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for bringing up a point that helped me clarify. Finally, anyone's choice to stick around and try alternating viewpoints out for size but like I said I'm bowing out. Best regards, see ya for Pokémon.

[–]LeafeonSpringAll Terrain'd 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have a good point. I think in this case, it would be a good idea to anticipate lore (inb4 people call me out for forcing lore) so that the less-creepy interpretations (I like the army dolls idea) are the ones that make lasting impressions. At least on Reddit, nothing can be said for the chat though...

[–]Spike11399Tinted Glass Cannon 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agreed, and well... how exaclty would you pull a song of the antics of these two romhacks without it having that feeling of odd since the source material is well... you know.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the support. Very right. I'd rather not go there.

[–]wheatgrainList Addict 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It looks.....different to me. I respect your viewpoint, even somewhat share it, but I always try to see the good in stuff so I'll maybe help with the naming and stick around the subreddit for the run, but probably not input that much.

[–]liria12LOTID! 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

i share you point of view here.I think the concept of the game itself.... diturbing and i'm not that happy that tpp is going to play it, so i don't think anyone will be angry at you for sitting this one out. I actually think i might do that too because well i don4t really want to see the chat's comments on all that because i know it'll just distrub me even more.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for supporting my POV! I'm looking forward to being part of more Pokémon - based adventures and it will be fun to be back for that with you!

[–]KelcyusPokémon Professor and Baker 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I... certainly share your point of view, I have expressed my concerns about the game subject and you are not alone in that opinion.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glad to see you agree. :) Thanks!

[–]sprouthesprout 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're entitled to your opinion and I fully encourage you to not participate if you feel uncomfortable, but it's not really fair to say we're catching "little girls". Unevolved ones are really more chibi than anything else, and fully evolved Touhoumon look like young adults at worst. I can't speak for Moemon as I haven't played it myself, (and to be honest if I were in charge I would just play Touhoumon) but I get the vibe that a lot of the people who are feeling uncomfortable have just heard "catching little girls" and made assumptions, when the reality is a lot more nuanced.

But, like I said- if you're uncomfortable, don't feel guilted into participating. I would recommend you give it a chance, at least. The best thing we can do to stave off people being creepy about it is to make non-creepy lore to build off of, and that is absolutely possible, especially considering that Touhou has more of a decade's worth of canon to build off of.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you for your opinion, life is nuanced, but my interests surrounding chibi little girls and "young adults at worst" are not, they are very clear. I have zero interest in looking at these characters over spending my time doing something else.

[–]sprouthesprout 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fair enough. I hope to see you back for the next run. :)

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cheers! Looking forward to it! :)

[–]RomanoffBlitzerHelix-based Haruna 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mm. Looks like I'll have to participate in the stream more to make up for those scared away by the premise...

I'm used to these kinds of things, but I was worried that it would alienate a good chunk of the TPP audience.

[–]mrdrsirmanKenya lives on! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Still waiting for the BB2 song Kappa

[–]mrdrsirmanKenya lives on! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do a parody of Lazorgator called UmbrellaGator Kappa

[–]TheObserver99Subject of the Leech King 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry to hear that, but I understand your decision. Gotta go with your gut feeling in these situations.

For me, my plan is to feel it out and see how the chat/community frames the whole game. Ignoring the usual small percentage of rude/gross comments in the chat, context is everything IMO. I'm here to have fun, so if the framing is making me feel squicky, I'm out too (because squicky ain't fun) - at least until the following run.

(Truth is, I might miss most of the next run because I'll be travelling, but that's a whole other thing)

Anyway, enjoy your temporary break from TPP, and keep making those great songs! :D

[–]RifleavengerTo Faraway Times... 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't have a problem with you not participating. I do have a bit more of an issue with you making a post about it, and coming close to moralizing at the subreddit that we should boycott the run.

Which, in response, has spawned a slew of counter threads either defending the games or insinuating those who think otherwise are prudes.

Instead of making a personal decision where you were right not to participate and I was right to participate, you created a situation where people are going to argue about this for an indefinite time to come.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a visible creator invested in this community I believe it's entirely appropriate to make a statement as I did. My statements say nothing about TPP, the subreddit, the community, or the people involved. Only about the content of this specific game choice. It could just as easily be "alright sweet let's do something else." That the POV raises such arguments and ire is something that I would hope people who read this really just think about and come to their own conclusions. And to ask themselves why is there controversy surrounding this? I've made my decision, I've already moved on and I respect that others have the freedom to make their own choices. I'm just continuing to comment to ensure that people understand my reasonable defense and don't misunderstand any of my points. It's also in my interests to enjoy a game more to my liking. Best regards.

[–]NyberimOn Temporary Hiatus... Hiatus... 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah... I can share your viewpoint there. Plus, I don't know much about Touhou so it doesn't interest me as much as a normal pokemon hack. I would have to see the first day or so to see if it can put itself up with the other runs.

In the meantime, you could do some more AR songs!

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Glad to hear you agree. I'm definitely doing more AR songs! :)

[–]NyberimOn Temporary Hiatus... Hiatus... 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cool.

It's not like I did not expect this either, TPP has always been this way with these things. I guess I'm more off put by it being something that I'm just not really interested in. Touhou and Moemon don't draw me in like a normal pokemon hack does.

[–]flarn2006(The F, L, R, and N are silent.) 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not gonna lie, I think the idea of those ROM hacks is very weird. But for me, that'll just make it even more hilarious to watch TPP play it.

Besides, it's the first time TPP will play two games at once (unless you count what we're doing now with PBR and Vietnamese Crystal) and I'm excited to see how that works.

[–]Arathnorn 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I laughed. :P

[–]LumisauAIIIAAB blacked out! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was honestly pondering what you were going to be doing for Moemon and Touhoumon. And I can totally understand where you're coming from! I'll be watching, myself, but mostly for the gimmick of the whole thing. 2hu (a gag name for Touhou) is its own thing, yeah, but I've honestly never been a fan of that in the long run.

Maybe I'm a hardened warrior? I've seen a lot worse in this world.

But regardless, I completely understand your viewpoint, and look forward to seeing you again in future runs! (And VC, too!) Personally, in the end, I'm most looking forward to Quartz because it's slightly insane and Snakewood because it is also insane. I like cute gijinka (I mean, I drew Ao+Baba and M4+T4, the latter being very animu), but Moemon's a bit gratuitous. But, as I said, the gimmick intrigues me! I have the feeling it'll me a middling-run lore- and interest-wise, especially with 2hu's canon butting in. So I don't think you'd be missing much regardless.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for looking forward to the future!

[–]Inferno505 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So here are some thoughts on what we can look at objectively here and what courses of actions that gives. First, we have the issue at hand, the characters in these haxs portrayed in imagery reminiscent of little girls and potentially the sexualization of them. I don't know about these hax specifically not the intent of the authors. However, the people in the TPP, all being people of different backgrounds and experiences, will have different comprehensions of what these hax are portraying. As seen by the heated debate here. Regardless of what these hax are intended to portray, the peoples' comprehensions define how these hax and therefore this TPP run is revived.

Second, from what I have gathered, TPP fell in participants last year, due to burn out, and Red Anniversary has brought a lot back. Introducing audience splitting hax right away will bring this decay back very quickly.

Therefore, without attempting to answer a moral debate (I haven't seen one yet get a decisive answer ), I think it is possible playing these hax will not be healthy for the TPP stream-game. In that, a less controversy potential hax(s) could be played instead. How does all that sound? Am I coherent at all?

My opinion: Just a sprite/text change doesn't sound very fun. Give me a Democracy only run any day or another mechanic or location change!

Other possibilities: 1. Pokemon Zeta/Omicrom are in beta and are very dedicated original games from what I have seen (http://www.pokemonzetaomicron.com/). 2. A very auto handled (No manual release needed) Nuzlocke could be interesting, maybe adjust the difficulty and add some fail safe so we can't ultimate lose. (Checkpoint per town reached? Catch mons with none in party?)

Any thoughts?

TL;DR : Attempting objective analysis of facts, it seems potential controversy of hax content might not be healthy for the TPP stream-game.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed that it would be better in TPP's interests from a marketing standpoint to sidestep these politics and controversial themes. To take a look at the value created in the most popular and explosive moments of TPP, and focus on creating more of that! Those people are here for nostalgia and belonging with their childhood experience of Pokémon! Getting off track into niche interests really helps TPP lose it's steam. The original TPP seems to be a happy accident but there's no consistent understanding of the value that drives people to participate in droves. Understand who's watching and what's valuable to them and TPP will have a better formula for consistent success.

[–]Almedinz 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Touhou is epic how can one dislike the rom hack? The sprites are also creative I took a sneak peek at them.

[–]halvin_and_cobbesRandomized Crystal or riot! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd just rather play another regular pokemon hack. I also know nothing about the series so I'll miss all the references

[–]NyberimOn Temporary Hiatus... Hiatus... 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never got into Touhou, nor am I interested in it....

[–]ZetsuTheFirstHello! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I respect this position, and the moral stance behind it. I'm going to wait until I see what comes out of T/M first before I hold judgement, but I can see both sides of this, and neither is unreasonable.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A reasonable position. :) Thanks.

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was about to point out that pokemon already has ralts, smooches, and gothita, and then I remembered what the internet has done to them and their evolutionary lines and realized, yeah, you're probably right here.

[–]Kotomikun7.8/10 too much diglett 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wouldn't say the fact that we're playing those games necessarily means we think they're good games. We're playing an awful bootleg of Crystal right now for the lulz, and we already did "robopon" and "telefang" which were the same sort of thing. I don't expect us to take those romhacks (especially Moemon) as seriously as we did the other games (even accounting for the fact that the entirety of TPP is pretty goofy).

Honestly, I can't say I'm entirely morally comfortable with regular Pokemon games. They're often jokingly compared to cockfighting/dogfighting, and... well, the only real difference is that trainers genuinely care about their mons, which in some ways makes all the fighting even more disconcerting. Occasionally they're fighting bad guys, but usually it's just for sport. It doesn't bother me too much because they're not real and never get permanently injured, but it's still a bit unsettling.

Making them cute girls instead of monsters adds another layer of discomfort, but as you can see, most of us are aware that it's kinda questionable... I think. If things get really creepy around here once those games start, I may have to leave, too.

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have to remember: Pretty much every pokemon you meet chose the fighting life style. They jumped out at an ~11 yo. They love to battle. Now that's disturbing in other ways, but at least you character isn't evil.

[–]DerErlenkonigPew pew pew 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Couldn't agree more. Besides, this lets you focus on Anniversary Red!

Love your stuff, by the way! I may or may not listen to Lazor Gator every day.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you! You're absolutely right, making more songs for AR is great. It's awesome you like to Lazor Gator so much! There is some cool stuff on the way regarding that-a remix for starters (like the Praise The Helix Remix made by contributions from people in the TPP community), and also secondly a super cool secret project that I don't want to spoil just yet!!

[–]JJJacobalt 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's literally pokemon with different sprites. Why the hell is there such controversy.

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because those sprites are little girls and no attempt is made to explain why little girls are fighting each other continually. Touhoumon is free from this because it is more then just a resprited version, which explained what's going on.

[–]JJJacobalt 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But animals with (what appears to be) human-level conciousness beating the shit out of each other for no real reason is okay?

Why are you questioning the morality of a reskinned pokemon game? If all the sprites were reskinned to look like kittens would you still have a problem?

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good point. However, like I said the lack of explanation is the problem. In pokemon, they have human-like intelligence, but their minds are said to think differently. They like to fight. Every pokemon you catch, excluding legendaries, chose to fight you. Plus,it seems to be an alpha/pack type instinct. If trainers weren't out there, it would be the pokemon fighting amongst each other. All these things may be true in moemon, but it isn't made clear. And for the record I am okay with moemon, I'm just explaining the reasons why some people aren't.

[–]UselessBeedrill 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lack of explanation

Gen v?

[–]WhatHappenedToEvaXep 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (12子コメント)

...are you serious, dude?

Do you think that the basis of Pokemon Red & Blue is bestiality?

Do you think that the basis of Pokemon Red & Blue is animal abuse?

No?

Then why do you think that the basis of Moemon / Touhoumon is fetishism?

Moemon / Touhoumon is just about changing the sprites of Pokemon to look more human...just like we've been doing this entire time.

If you honestly sit this one out just because you actually believe that an element of fetishism is involved...well, it's your choice, but man, that's just silly to me.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

An army of adult humans I can very well understand. But that’s not the premise nor the vehicle for the story in this case. It’s collecting them as children and as the official lore of the game states “they begin to reproduce and be kept as pets”. The adult “puppets” begin reproducing and creating more little human girl puppets for “real” humans. I think I’ve made a very intelligent, thoughtful choice. There’s nothing wrong with humanizing animal/beast characters, but in this specific unique vehicle for it it’s not in my taste or interests, nor do I think it appropriate. Also, look up the meaning of "moe". Believing it has an element of fetishism is not silly, it's fact.

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Moe

Like nearly every loan word ever there is no one true definition. In some places like the tv tropes entry above, first and foremost is the protectiveness a moe instills. You are correct that one definition is fetish-based. But that's not it's only meaning. It can also be about wanting to help. The kind of story like Rageking's need to protect Baba, and the sadness he felt when he failed.

[–]WhatHappenedToEvaXep 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think I’ve made a very intelligent, thoughtful choice.

Whoa there, buddy. Don't go gauging your level of intelligence based on whether or not you choose to watch a video game stream. Your decision to not watch the Moemon / Touhoumon streams doesn't mean you have refined tastes, it means you're choosing to interpret the games in a bizarre way.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not sure what you mean by me gauging my level of intelligence by watching a game stream-doesn't sound very nice. But I have no problem letting people know that I would choose something else over moe/lolita/etc. stuff.

[–]WhatHappenedToEvaXep 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Just be careful not to fall into the trap of thinking that you're morally superior to others, just because you interpret something as distasteful while a bunch of other people have no problem with it.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

On the flipside, probably a bunch more people may also think it's distasteful. So if we were looking at it from a perspective of winning an argument that wouldn't help either of us (and may help me more). The deepest truth is we all believe we are morally superior to others, and we all do things for our own needs, so that levels the field, really. It doesn't matter as much. We'd both be hypocrites to play that card. I made a decision that I believe is more right. So do you. That's obvious. And I respect that. If you're absolutely certain of your own decision, there's no need to be offended or even really care what I think, frankly. But you'll see that I did go out of my way to take many comments into consideration, including yours, and I've added to my previous statements that I see certain redeeming values to Touhoumon, if still a bit iffy IMO, over Moemon. I wish you very well and to make the best of the stream/run if they continue as was planned to play both simultaneously.

[–]WhatHappenedToEvaXep -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, I'm glad you recognize that it's a subjective matter and that Moemon isn't objectively bad.

probably a bunch more people may also think it's distasteful.

Hmm.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I do think Moe is subjectively creepy and kind of weird. And about the poll, I wasn't talking about this insulated subreddit. I was talking about 99.9% of the people I meet in real life or who are into pop culture in general. But let's stop our convo here, no need to go any further before things just get mean.

[–]WhatHappenedToEvaXep 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to think that 99.9% of people are well-adjusted individuals who don't have bizarre over-reactions to the sight of sprite artwork of little girls.

But if you're accusing the TPP subreddit of belonging to a 0.1% of weirdos, then yes, it would be a good idea for you to stop the convo.

[–]who1499 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pokemon red and blue is about catching monsters and fighting with them.

Therefor, this would be about catching little girls and fighting with them.

Furthermore, Moe is a fetish term in the Otaku Culture, which are the people who made these games...they are fetish games! That is what they are!

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Moe has no one definition. Furthermore, they are not little girls, they are puppets. If we're going to argue they are what they look like no matter the plot, then pokemon, would in fact be about animal abuse. Yet, in both cases, a cursory glance of the plot reveals that this is not the case.

[–]UselessBeedrill 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would you count touhou as the same?

[–]RavenscroftRavenFear the Corruption 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh, sure. Unfortunate but sure. Maybe one song summarizing it when its all done or something, if the lore shifts for the best?

Oh well. We could use a Kanto Krispy Kreme commercial jingle, and that's at least as important as anything we could get up to. I expect it all to be overblown and nothing notable or horrific occuring.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I won't be making any songs for either Touhoumon or Moemon but I'll happily be making more Pokémon based songs!

[–]S0NofJORSUNI'm Helping 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Chat is already interpreting every other line in Viet. Crystal as dirty innuendo. I can't help what they do. Doing inputs in 2hu'mon/Moemon doesn't make me a closet pedo, and I'll bet I can enjoy the run without being sexually aroused by catching humanized pokemon.

I mean, if this crosses your moral boundaries, so be it. See you when we get back to just making cute, sapient animals cockfight.

[–]cloistered_around 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, it's a little hard not to get innuendo from "bag fuck." I don't blame chat at all for interpreting the single lines out of context (when they're not in context to begin with).

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course - I expect immature chat from Twitch. (And you are doing nothing wrong by typing inputs.) There's much better discussion and fan works to appreciate and celebrate. The good stuff is definitely around us and out there. But the basis of my songs comes not from participating in the chat (and never has), but as a byproduct of the artwork that was created from lore on this forum VETTED FROM the immaturity of the twitch chat. It's not the chat. If the artwork and lore of this forum/community is based on a game that has this fetishism as it's premise, I'm very happy to not participate and would think it very much better to ultimately repel those who are into that if that's what it comes to. I wouldn't regret that for a second. I know what I'm doing, I understand the difference between normal Pokémon and this, I understand where the basis of my songs come from, and I'm much better off to not participate in these games.

[–]Speedy_Fox_IV 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not the biggest fan of Touhoumon and Moemon either. I like the Touhou games but some of the fan games for the series don't really appeal to me.

With that said though, I do admire all of the effort that got put into the sprite work for those games. While the content of the game might be slightly off putting to some, replacing all of the Pokemon sprites in the game with custom ones is no easy feat.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When it comes to the spritework, and as an early 90's consoles megafan, certainly agreed. I love sprite artwork. When I first came across the sprite images a year or two ago the level of skill was very impressive and I found it easy to want to scroll through all the character images to just see the level of detail. It's very interesting! But I don't believe hard work = value. People could dedicate much time and effort to "feats" that don't have value or are for an unpleasant purpose. How can I explain this? When I was younger, I started my drawing skills with Pokemon, Digimon, Megaman, and Sonic characters. And I had a skill level like you would expect for the age. When I hit my pre-teen years, I started noticing girls, and drawing was an outlet for me to "figure them out" in private without staring or being creepy. And well my focus and skill grew immensely, lol! I became a pretty decent pencil artist during that time. I turned to other interests, but the point I'm trying to illustrate (pun intended) is that one can be excellently skilled at crafting artwork, but that doesn't mean that what they've created is valuable or enriching. I think it's fantastic the skill the sprite artist has, but IMO the medium and the vehicle for that talent would be better served elsewhere. I hope understanding my personal experience sheds light on where I'm coming from.

[–]Speedy_Fox_IV 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I completely understand where you're coming from. My view is while I'm impressed with the effort I'm still not a fan of the two games. Especially Touhoumon, seeing that it was meant to be "Pokemon but with everything replaced with Touhou characters". Missed moment of awesome right there.

[–]JennyDoombringerRed Priestess of Helix 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can't say I blame you. I've been thinking over whether or not I want to get involved in this one myself. I mean, on one hand I'm curious about how TPP playing two games at once will work (will we swap between the two like with Vietnamese Crystal and PBR right now, or play them both simultaneously, which can lead to all sorts of chaos?). On the other hand, the points you bring up are very valid.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That mechanic could still exist and be fun to try, separated from the game(s) used. Thanks for hearing out my opinion, and I hope you make the choice that's best for you. What's most important to me is that everyone sees this as an isolated, separated incident and continues to appreciate the best parts of TPP for what they are! :)

[–]Shill_Nye 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I completely agree. Plus it just looks so stupid. There are so many other games we can play. Why not a randomized Emerald? Or a regular Black/White2? Or heck, Collosseum and XD? What a waste of a few weeks.

[–]N8-disciple-of-footKakuna's still chill so don't kill 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I highly doubt any breeding whatsoever will happen. How likely do you think it is we'll pair egg groups together right? Us getting eggs in games with egg groups we were familiar with was rare, let alone this.

[–]jespoke 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just hope you check the subreddit here once in a while during the runs, as this tends to be much more focused on the awesome things we do as opposed to whatever chat is up to

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know I will. Can't break the habit :)

[–]GlitcherRedaka azum4roll 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you make some touhou remixes for the significant events?

[–]stopdawdlingAhh Mr.sneky 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

God yes. Please can we ditch touhoumon/moemon??

I still love the idea of a dual run. Maybe that candy themed FR reskin for the 'familiar' game and something like Ruby Destiny for the 'new' game?

Oh, and Quartz.

[–]CrealisRule #1: DO NOT USE THIS THING OF EVIIL 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hmmm... OK wow.

Until now I was firmly in the "naive" (or at least ignorant) camp... Crud now I'm really spooked for these games... I always thought it was just some crazy fandom thing, like if for example they made a Pokemon My Little Pony.

But this is creepy.

Thanks for sharing, I really respect you for making a stand like this. I myself will be moving forward with extreme caution.

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was naive and ignorant too. It was when I dug deeper I had to make a stand and bring up these points. And I'm glad I did. Thanks for respecting my opinion and I'm glad hearing you agree with me on this.

[–]GraysilenceNever forget them -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't like that we are playing these games, but I will personally still watch, just not as much. Because it is weird.

[–]animex75P͉̘͕r̼̠͢a҉̱̯̙̗i̵̳̰s҉e̳̙ ͔͍̤̗ͅt͞ͅh͎̖e̷̬ ̘̗͘H̜̩̬̳͕̖̙el̘̜i̢͓̬x̜̪̹͖͟ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Eh, can't say I blame you. The whole "catching little girls" thing is the main reason I never played Moemon. However, I've got literally nothing better to do lately besides play TPP when I can't get people to hunt with me on MH4U.

[–]Mensabender 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What is your HR in MH4U?

[–]animex75P͉̘͕r̼̠͢a҉̱̯̙̗i̵̳̰s҉e̳̙ ͔͍̤̗ͅt͞ͅh͎̖e̷̬ ̘̗͘H̜̩̬̳͕̖̙el̘̜i̢͓̬x̜̪̹͖͟ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Uh, just hit 41. I haven't been G-rank for long.

[–]Mensabender 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I see.

[–]animex75P͉̘͕r̼̠͢a҉̱̯̙̗i̵̳̰s҉e̳̙ ͔͍̤̗ͅt͞ͅh͎̖e̷̬ ̘̗͘H̜̩̬̳͕̖̙el̘̜i̢͓̬x̜̪̹͖͟ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I've been swapping out with Majora's Mask 3D every other day, except the last couple weeks where I pushed for G-rank and some G-rank armor (that also needed some farming for heavy spheres that I need 7 of for each part -_-;), but eh.

[–]TrainerTimmy!bet 1024 roxy <3 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey Mark, I never knew about Tohoumon and Moemon until it was announced at the end of Red Anniversary, but I totally agree with your opinion! When I looked up about those two ROMhacks this weekend, I was thinking almost the same way as you were. Sure, it could attract lots of users into the stream, but I portray it in a negative way, thinking the entire chat would erupt in many occasions making such offensive jokes about cute girls dressed up as mons. (What if they treat my waifu Gym Leader Roxanne like that? That can make me really embarrassed.) And from the very beginning, I felt like I'm not going to participate in that run, but your opinions just made me realize why I don't want to in the first place! I really like how you express this opinion, it's very persuasive and too moody .

Also, I can't wait for your other songs to come out! I really like your latest song "Super Saiyamon", especially with those cool guitar riffs! I hope you make a song about the evil TPPModBot someday

[–]ChurchofHelixChoirPraise Helix![S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey TrainerTimmy thanks for your opinion. To clarify something that's come out of these discussions is that I respect the interests of those who enjoy Touhou for what it is, for instance and that there is a difference between Touhoumon and Moemon. As AgainTheSaga said in another thread it's important to see the most positive things and I agree-to celebrate the really great stuff that comes out of this community. I'm glad you like my songs so much, and I also want to make songs about the most positive things rather than complain about things like the TPPModBot for instance. :P

I still won't be watching or making songs from Moemon or Touhou for personal reasons and interests I've already stated. but I'm glad I could voice some of those concerns-better for people to be honest about what makes them uncomfortable-better for growing. :) I'm sure you'll continue to support TPP Pokemon style whole heartedly when it comes back around like I will. :)

[–]TrainerTimmy!bet 1024 roxy <3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I respect other's opinions too, and as a Pokémon Trainer dating a very smart and tough Gym Leader, I believe TPP is best played Pokémon style! Sure the next run is kinda making me a bit uncomfortable of what's expected with the immaturity of at least half the chat as AgainTheSaga said, but I believe in positivity too. In the final attempts against the Elite Four in AR, I kept shouting out "Believe in our team" instead of going with the trolls to risk the PC taking out Mewtwo. Do you see what I mean by that?

[–]DemonWTFThe Dome's Blessed Ballot Box -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)