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/r/transfags shut down (self.SRSsucks)

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Shut down & banned by reddit without any explanation.

Also, all 12 users who moderated /r/transfags have been shadowbanned without explanation as well.

No rules were broken, and the former mods are demanding answers and maintaining their innocence. Will we get an answer?

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[–]gakus 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't say i'm surprised.

[–]lauchs 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (20子コメント)

There are better fights than this one.

[–]collegehoopsanalyst-[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (17子コメント)

what hill is worth dying on then?

[–]kantbot<3 nietzschebot 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I'm not even clear on what 'fight' is being conducted here. /u/Willfe42 is acting like you're engaged in a House of Cards-esque struggle against some dark cabal of powerful insiders. "Let this one go Agent Mulder," it's ridiculous. You're just pointing out a politically motivated instance of abuse of the rules.

Subs like /r/transfags and /r/antipozi are designed to test the limits of reddit's political tolerance and commitment to free speech more than they're designed to be hateful. Banning them only proves their thesis. I would go so far as to say that when subs like that are banned they're actually carrying out their intended purpose. They're canaries in the mineshaft, created by contrarian trolls to expose issues within the moderation and administration of reddit.

[–]PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"This noose was created to test the tolerance of the tree."

[–]lauchs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

But reddit silencing speech it finds odious is not news at this point.

While I can appreciate the point being made, and I'll admit, I didn't know the subs purposes, outside of that knowledge, we just look like the crazy bigots no one should side with.

Same way feminists probably cringe at a lot of the tumblr crazy for making them look awful, we should also avoid looking crazy/unempathetic where possible.

[–]kantbot<3 nietzschebot 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think the goal is a big moderate group hug or love-in, the goal is more subversion and provocation. The goal is to troll, to challenge the political ego of these people, to subvert their self-image as tolerant and open-minded. The dissident right isn't looking for mainstream acceptance, they want to bring out and make manifest the moral repression inherent to the progressive zeitgeist in order to embarrass its various pretensions.

[–]lauchs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Challenging their political ego only works when you're a sympathetic cause, which transfags is not.

[–]willfe42 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/iamverysmart is that way -->

More seriously, though, you do realize trolls tend to eventually be sanctioned on most any website, right? At best they're maligned by the rest of the community and at worst they're actively banned.

Complaining about a deliberately offensive sub being removed completely destroys any valid point you may have to make because people are too distracted by the fact that you're complaining that a hate sub was banned.

[–]willfe42 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bingo. This guy gets it.

[–]MrFatalistic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same way feminists probably cringe at a lot of the tumblr crazy for making them look awful, we should also avoid looking crazy/unempathetic where possible.

ehhhhhhhhhayyyhhhhheeeeehhhh....I have not seen a feminist recently say "maybe we've gone too far..." and if/when they did, they weren't feminists for much longer I suspect.

[–]willfe42 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm saying this specific instance isn't worth making a stink about, 'ya big lunkhead. There's no deeper reference in anything I've said. Watch less TV or something, jesus christ.

"Let this one go Agent Mulder,"

You know someone else said that, and not me, right?

Finally, these two statements seem really at odds:

/u/Willfe42[1] is acting like you're engaged in a House of Cards-esque struggle against some dark cabal of powerful insiders.

(hey, that's me!) ... but then:

They're canaries in the mineshaft, created by contrarian trolls to expose issues within the moderation and administration of reddit.

Is that not a struggle of sorts against powerful insiders?

I'm telling you again, dude. This one ain't worth it. Your point here is going to wither on the vine and nobody's going to listen.

[–]collegehoopsanalyst-[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I distinctly remember Nolan talking about how he the main reason created transfags(or transaids) not as so much to hate on trans people, but to test reddit.

[–]PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You can put a positive spin on anything. Klansmen claim they don't hate black people, they just want to preserve the purity of white protestants.

If you want to get a gauge on what a group really is, look at the people you're bundled with. And understand that every group says "but we're different!"

You're not. It's just hate. It doesn't matter what you bundle it with.

(Side note, the leader of the neo Nazi group in the US also claimed that he was just testing the bounds of free speech.)

[–]collegehoopsanalyst-[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

OK. Well, we aren't going away. We are just moving to another sub and will pick up where we left off.

[–]PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, the Nazi guy said that too.

[–]collegehoopsanalyst-[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't give a shit.

[–]PM_ME_2DISAGREEWITHU 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, if you want to be taken seriously, neo Nazis are bad bedfellows.

You could actually be different, and just admit that you have a deep seeded hatred for trans people, stemming from an irrational fear that you might accidentally sleep with one.

[–]willfe42 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've got a funny way of showing it.

[–]willfe42 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

♫ In the circle of life... ♪

BTW, that attitude's a quick way to get chucked.

[–]ivebeenhereallsummer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Comes down to the lesson put forth in First they came...

But yeah, who would want to defend a subreddit dedicated to mocking a minority group? Although if this relatively unknown subreddit was taken down then why haven't they gone after /r/coontown? They are like a hundred times worse.

[–]autowikibot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

First they came ..:

“First they came ....” is a famous statement and provocative poem written by Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the cowardice of German intellectuals [citation needed] following the Nazis' rise to power and the subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group. Many variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language. It deals with themes of persecution, guilt and responsibility.

Interesting: First they came ... | Baroka F.C. | Capulana | American pioneers to the Northwest Territory | Turks and Caicos Islands at the Commonwealth Games

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[–]ttumblrbots 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]WizardlySquid 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shut it down! Can't say I'm shocked, there was quite a bit of spam there and reddit is really pro-LGBT. There are better fights than this though, it was only a matter of time. While I'm very pro-freedom of speech and have have unpopular options about transsexual that sub alienated people that support the LGBT and pushed them to the SRS cause. If we're every going get people to wake up and realise that SRS is an intolerant hate group we're going to need support from as many people as we can get.

[–]willfe42 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (29子コメント)

You're probably not going to get an "official" explanation, either. They undoubtedly shut it down because it offended them (and be honest here -- it is offensive, and it goes out of its way to be) and banned the mods there for being offensive enough to create and run it. Simple as that. But they're unlikely to come right out and say it. It's a bit silly to expect them to -- it is painfully obvious why the sub and its mods got tossed.

You can't honestly expect to spew hateful bile on someone's website indefinitely without eventually getting spanked for it, can you?

Guys, this isn't the hill you want to die on. Seriously. Let this one go.

[–]collegehoopsanalyst-[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (10子コメント)

How do other subs like coontown and gasthekikes still stand then?

[–]FatHippo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're too big and shutting them down would cause some drama. This is why it's important to shut down subs before they amass more than 12 subscribers.

[–]OfficerDarrenWilson 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (9子コメント)

so you're saying that the carefully constructed rules and 'democratic web platform' of reddit are all just a sham and a big pile of bullshit

[–]StezzerLolz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No shit? I assumed that was totally and completely fucking obvious...

[–]AkiraZXE 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For what it's worth, I agree, so that's one other person who doesn't see the value in this fight. The sub was like finding out a hotel allows pets, so you decide to find out just how many dogs you can fit in the lobby. Even if it's technically allowed, nobody's going to take you seriously as a victim when you get kicked out.

There's no way for anything good to come of this, so nobody here should bother. It was a tiny sub created to spew hate and bait admin action. It will not be reinstated, the users unbanned, and the offending brigading subs punished. When the admins finally do something seriously out of line, like closing KiA, I'd rather the people trying to hold the admins responsible don't have "defends transphobic neonazi hate subs" or whatever the fuck hanging over their heads and making the whole thing pointless.

[–]LavernesLeftNut 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck you, you pretentious pile of shit. The only way to make sure there isn't a hill you die on is to defend everyones' hills, regardless of your personal feeling about what grows there.

[–]willfe42 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then have at it. Fight this fight with everything you've got.

It won't help.

[–]Arizona-Bay -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't care how offensive and hateful something is, I'll still defend its right to exist.

[–]willfe42 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It doesn't have a "right to exist" on reddit. It's a privately-owned and operated web site. They make the rules.

You want to make the rules? Go make your own reddit. With blackjack. And hookers!

[–]Arizona-Bay 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's not really the point though, because the reddit admins claim to be in favor of free speech and internet democracy, but then ban stuff they don't like. If they're really in favor of free speech then they should be defending /r/transfags right to exist too.

[–]willfe42 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're not stopping you saying things they don't like. They're stopping you using their platform to do it. Big difference.

You can call me an asshole all you want, and I can't stop you. But I'm not going to let you stand in my living room while you do it.

[–]Rubykuby -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[–]Arizona-Bay -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess feels > free speech