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Visual Pinball Cabinet Experiences? (self.pinball)

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[–]EnfieldCNC 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (40子コメント)

I think pinball purists are kind of hypocritial when they hate on cabinets. If they really were fans, they would have one, if just to use it like a pinball wiki of information (/u/root88)

It's not hypocritical, and the "real fan" argument is just nonsense.

So you're telling me that making a visual pinball cabinet to play games that you technically have no legal right to do... and which does not financially support the industry in any way makes you a "real fan"? That does not seem like sound logic.

I play pinball for the real physical experience of playing pinball, not for the experience of seeing a crude, low-granularity representation of an intricately crafted game distilled onto a comparatively low resolution monitor. Why would a "real fan" be interested in that?

Sometimes I think VP users are more in love with the idea of playing games for free than having to commit to supporting the hobby with their wallets in one way or another.

[–]PrpleMnkyDshwsher 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's not about playing for free..its playing it at all in a lot of cases. Pretty sure a lot of people who build virtual cabs do it because the alternative is just too expensive.

Besides, if I go and buy that Monster Bash that someone is selling for 12K, how much money is Williams or Universal Studios getting from that? Zilch.

If I buy a table from Farsight, the licence holders actually do get a cut.

[–]Ampage86 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Besides, if I go and buy that Monster Bash that someone is selling for 12K, how much money is Williams or Universal Studios getting from that? Zilch.

Exactly. Stern is really the only company still around that would feel any sort of loss from digital pinball emulation, except that Gary Stern is totally fine with emulation. There is sort of a gentlemans agreement in the visual pinball community where new, in production games (less than 3 years old) aren't re-created or released.

So until Stern says "hey, knock it off" I dont buy the "not financially support the industry" argument.

[–]flyvehestOwns: W?D / JM 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So you're telling me that making a visual pinball cabinet to play games that you technically have no legal right to do... and which does not financially support the industry in any way makes you a "real fan"? That does not seem like sound logic.

I would say that almost none of the players who have a pin at home, supports the industry financially (not taking spare parts and repair into consideration), as they will have purchased their pins second-hand, and not NIB from the producers.

Of all the players I have come in contact with, i'd say that less than 10 of those have ever gotten af NIB, and of those who did, most are operators who make money on them as well.

[–]EnfieldCNC -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So then I guess you deal with a lot of people who are not real fans, huh? :)

I guess supporting pinball to you just means buying games and putting them in your basement, not actively seeking them out and putting money in them, so that operators feel an incentive to keep putting them out there? I have multiple games in my basement and I still play on location.

[–]Ampage86 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I guess supporting pinball to you just means buying games and putting them in your basement, not actively seeking them out and putting money in them, so that operators feel an incentive to keep putting them out there? I have multiple games in my basement and I still play on location.

I have a VP Cab in my garage and still play on location.

Your argument is invalid.

[–]EnfieldCNC -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ok, for you personally, it's invalid. Seeing you in an arcade must be kind of like a birdwatcher seeing a dodo bird. :)

I can't turn my physical games into other games with the press of a button. VP cab owners can do it easily. I'd say there's a lot less incentive for your average VP cab owner to seek out and play real machines if they own a VP cab.

[–]Ampage86 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

By the use of your own smug logic, since you have multiple real games in your basement, you have less incentive than I do to go seek out real machines to play.

I guess that makes VP cab owners more friendly to the industry than real pin owners (by your logic, and pre-conceived notion of what VP owners think about pinball)

[–]root88Motordome, PC Cabinet 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (24子コメント)

The Farsight games are fully licensed and the pinball companies that still exist have already stated they don't have a problem with VP.

I already told you why a real fan would be interested in a virtual cabinet. It's another way to be more involved with pinball and its history. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

[–]RedGorgonzola 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I call BS on this argument. Any purist would also say you're missing out on half the fun of the hobby with a digital machine. Maintaining, restoring, modding is also a big part of what I love about pinball. Updating software and downloading tables just isn't the same as physically tearing apart and working on a machine.

[–]root88Motordome, PC Cabinet 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't understand why you guys can't comprehend that you can do both. If you really love pinball, I would think you would want to get of much of it as you can, any way that you can. I own a real pinball machine and a virtual one. Both are great. I use the virtual one more.

[–]EnfieldCNC -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not sure I understand why you're calling BS on what I said, it appears we are in direct agreement.

[–]RedGorgonzola 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am in agreement with you. Hit reply on the wrong comment. My Reddit foo is weak.