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[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) 135 ポイント136 ポイント  (130子コメント)

The facts laid out in the video were solid, even if some of the language used was less than flattering.

No, they weren't. The facts against the unethical business practices were solid and 100% true, no one is disputing that. But he provides no facts when he attacks the software, all he does is call it garbage (Literally) multiple times and calls it snake oil saying it doesn't do anything.

Those aren't facts, the guy used the first three-quarters of his video to build up the viewer's hate for the company, and once he had them hooked he switched to a baseless attack on the program itself.

What he did was dishonest and misleading, but because of how human nature works, the hatred for the company outweighs anything wrong the video creator may have done, so the masses will side with him, and anyone trying to defend the program (Not the company), gets attacked by commenters.

The moderators initially cited a "call to action" in the video as the reason for its removal.

Regardless of what they may have said, there was a call to action. The video creator specifically calls on Youtubers and streamers to boycott WTFast's "garbage" product. How is that not a call to action?

"a lot of YouTubers are advertising it boots your connection between you and Riot which is BS"

So one person in a Skype chat making a claim means it's true? I've paid for this program for five months now and can hardly play League on the east coast without it, it does work, people just have no clue how to properly use a VPN and make these bogus claims. In the deleted thread, one of the most upvoted comments was something along the lines of "i used this program for 5 minutes and knew it was unstable". But because of all the hate for the company, it gets upvotes from people who've never used it, no idea how it works, etc.

Edit: Thanks for the gold, WTFast Its a joke. I think..

[–]Saad888 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

People need to tone down and realize there are multiple sides to this. The fact remains, as you said, he proved nothing in his video.

[–]drswnemo 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Seriously. People here jump to conclusions far too quickly. There's no thinking, no measured responses. Just an endless circlejerk back and forth.

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The video creator is getting all this support for two main reasons. People love to hate on companies that do anything wrong, it's basically the national pastime of the internet. And /r/lol users LOVE when they get a chance to shit all over the moderator team whether deserved or not.

He could basically walk into a room full of these people supporting him at the moment, a fired up crowd, and getting them to do whatever he wants.

[–]Extractum11 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep, the article is ridiculous. I see very little shady stuff in the screenshots, just actual discussion. And there's absolutely nothing that suggests the mods removed it just because Voyboy asked them to, it just so happens that the mods agreed with him. Is that a crime now?

Also, fucking lol at Richard Lewis saying "chat logs from the moderator’s Skype group show that they were all comfortable with the submission"...and his proof entirely consisting of messages from TWO moderators over the span of THREE minutes. That's really shitty of him to do, and really shitty journalism. The entire article is pretty biased, as if he came into the situation with his mind already made up and twisted the 'evidence' to support that.

[–]hyrulepirate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Preach.

Everybody loves to side with the underdog. Even when wrongfully so. See the Jeremy Clarkson situation.

[–]x_TDeck_x [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This really seems to be blown way out of proportion. Someone questioned what WTFast was doing by essentially paying for positive feedback. It was wrong. The community should know and the company should stop.

EVERYTHING else is just silly. The Video creator shouldn't have gone on to complain about the actual product and call it things like snakeoil without proof. The mods removed it on pretty solid grounds. And Richard Lewis gets to stoke the fire against mods cause thats what he does and he doesn't like the mods here in the first place.

[–]Extrase [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hell this sub reddit loves to start drama over literally ANYTHING! Remember the completely pointless 3 week long "Spectate Faker" bullshit? Everyone took the random dudes side who was making money off of Faker. Or when basically reddit was the entire reason Nien quit CLG and never had the confidence in himself to play competitively again for two years?

[–]ifuckedmeteos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nah bro /r/league doesn't jump to conclusions too quick at 3-6PM when highschool and middle school just ended. Voyboy is the antichrist, never was a real pro anyways. Wtfast is taking everyone's money because this guy in the video (which I didn't watch) said so.

[–]Emelenzia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you, honestly I found second half of video to be incredibly offensive.

Personally, I suffer from a immense amount of packet loss. Nothing I can do about it. My IP has a exclusive contract with my apartment. I have to move to get a new IP.

This packet loss makes most online games completely unplayable, especially MMOs. Gaming VPNs like WTFast is able to eliminate 95% of all Packet Loss. This is indisputable fact. WTFast does have a mountain of both technical and ethical issue but their product does work.

I really hate reading all these people attack Gaming VPN where they themselves never suffered from packet loss before, yet accuse defenders of WTFast as "people who never used the software". I feel incredibly insulted by whole thing.

[–]potatokaiser 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Yeah, I completely agree with you. Gnarsies was definitely accurate on the unethical business practices, but the software has definitely improved my connection on the east coast.

[–]HeavenSk8 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

According to most of this subreddit, it's just our imagination that our latency decreased.

I play from Venezuela and the following happens when I activate WTFast (or LowerPing, BattlePing and other tunneling brands.)

League of Legends: 130ms -> 89ms (Sometimes from 90 to 70ms)

World of Warcrack: 130ms -> 105ms.

IT'S NOT A SCAM

Might not work for everyone and that's probably why it does have it's negative reviews, but for the people who actually benefit from this program is a huge deal. Especially since it's "free" and we're from the third world where dollars aren't quite cheap to get.

[–]i_pk_pjers_i [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

According to me (someone who actually knows a thing or two about networking), it works for some people and it doesn't for others. Here's why: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/30iymr/wtfast_affiliate_influenced_reddit_mods_in/cpsyb6q

[–]potatokaiser 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah after recommending it to some of my friends, it doesn't seem to work with everyone. But, you can basically indefinitely renew your free trial, so if it does work, it's a pretty helpful/cheap service.

[–]mrtummygiggles [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It only makes a difference if your ISP uses funky routing. Playing from the glorious worker's utopia of Venezuela, that very likely does apply, and you would see benefit. It's certainly not a "scam" in the purest sense of the word, but their claims are very exaggerated and they make no effort to convey how situational a solution it is.

[–]Wvlf_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Go on...

[–]potatokaiser [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The actual program has a free 1 month trial, then after that you can (if I remember correctly) renew it for 14 days via liking it on facebook, then after that you can just keep renewing it every 14 days.

[–]Husseini [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Never worked on LoL for me, and nowadays don't work on WoW too, but always works in every other game. The only reason I don't use WTFast is because playing the game I play, I can't afford disconnects from their servers, which happens often.

WoW and LoL already have a good path for me.

*edit Ok I just watched the video. His point on them trying to bribe absolutely right, no wonder Valve did something against it. Now the rest of the video is striaght up just a bunch of bullshit from someone who seems to be mad for some reason.

The software works for many games and many people, everyone I know has improved their ping in the same games I did, like Tibia, Runescape, GW etc.

*edit2 Now I watched the one where he talks about working at Riot. Dude bitches about EVERYTHING, mocking and making "funny voices". When he was quoting a Rioter post on Reddit it was just pathetic to see, mainly when he quotes the Rioter comparing his military time with working for Riot, if you read the entire quote he's just adding something to make us understand his experience there.

Like.. wtf?

He's just throwing a bunch of videos trying to create drama (maybe Thoorin's son?). This one did the job.

[–]Miksuu11[HN Miksuu] (EU-W) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not obliviously a scam. WTFast is a regular VPN (Virtual Private Network). It may boost your connection, or not. Internet routing is quite complicated. It may work for some users, and others not. If you had straight cable from east coast to Riot's server hall in California, obiviosly WTFast would multiply your ping by many times, because it goes through many servers before getting into the Riot's end.

The product is okay, but the way the company is trying to promote it, is wrong. If you watched the video, it clearly states why.

[–]Mista_Wong 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can bet you that your connection would also be improved by using another VPN service. It's just finding another way around your ISPs dodgy routing, that's the only explanation because you are effectively sending your packets on a longer journey because they have to stop elsewhere before they get to their destination. And the only explanation for this is that your ISP is messing up somewhere and this needs to be fixed, and I recall Riot is working with the ISPs to get a better route to the servers.

[–]potatokaiser [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, you're probably right, but I'm no good at figuring out that kind of stuff, so I just take the easy way out.

[–]Dragull -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

On the topic of "unethical business" you just mean giving WTFast free for those who put an positive review? I don't see this as unethical. If you want WTFast for free, it's because you want to use it, if you want to use it, it means that it works, if it works, why WOULDN'T you give a positive review?

[–]potatokaiser 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a pretty fair assessment, but WTFast's promise of a free month was just false statements. They sent out an email and apologized on their steam store page about this.

We are unable to give you a free month as we promised. Valve has told us that we cannot offer free WTFast premium time in exchange for reviews.

EDIT: Also bribing steam users with free products is apparently against Steam's code of conduct or something.

[–]HanWolo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You do understand though that the product working for you doesn't mean it isn't garbage right? Like if they advertise the product and it works well for 1/100 people, you don't think there's a reasonable platform for calling it bad?

[–]_georgesim_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Couldn't have said it better myself. Glad you accepted my friend request in League :3.

[–]Br00dr00ster [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This seems to be the way for some of his other videos.

Starting the circlejerk for bashing riot and some great journalism from the dailydot add up to more attention, so I gues both parties get some great publicity.

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The other day he was accusing /r/lol mods of being buddy buddy with Rioters and getting free interviews with them. I genuinely think the guy just wants attention and attempts to stir up drama at every possible moment. Reddit loves drama, so here's his upvotes.

[–]ChillFactory [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thanks /u/Ajido.

The real question that wasn't answered in Gnarsies' video is, "Where are the data?" WTFast is shady as fuck, no doubt there really, but if you don't provide the hard facts you are just whipping people up into a frenzy because you don't like the company. A lot of good products have been made by shitty people.

people just have no clue how to properly use a VPN and make these bogus claims

Kinda reminds me of reviews for some computer parts. You always get people who don't know what the fuck they are doing, screaming that it blew up something.

[–]BestAlistarEUW [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

FYI Gnarsies replied to this post and commented on your points in an extremely passive aggressive fashion, then deleted it. Wish I could have gotten a screen cap.

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not surprised, the guy seems to be a loose cannon and kind of all over the place.

[–]tempname-3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You talking about the one that's still there? That already seems passive aggressive to me.

[–]hamoorftw 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

THANK YOU! I don't understand this sudden circlejerk from people who never tried the software in the first place. I currently live outside of Europe and the ping is very horrible, as but with wtfast it goes down from 250-300 to 150ish. Call a shill or whatever the fuck you like, it works for me and I am ready to post a video of my lol ping with and without wtfast to prove it.

[–]Klaent 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Calling everybody you disagree with a shill is the new thing on reddit. It's gonna get annoying as fuck.

[–]hyrulepirate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

and don't forget the "All mods are power-intoxicated idiots"

[–]HanWolo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Probably, but at the same time, it's important to remember that there are LOTS of shills on reddit.

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

People don't understand why I bother defending it. They think I'm defending the company, when I'm not. I just really hate hypocrisy and bullshit deserves to be called out. The video creator is full of it and is just as dishonest as the WTFast company.

[–]hyrulepirate [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Welcome to Reddit's mob mentality where all content-creators are immaculate idols of wisdom, truth, and justice and all corporations and business-entities (mods included) are evil.

[–]TheRealRasu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's like SpectateFaker all over again. "boohoo muh nazi mods deleting rightful content", "Richard knows so much more about modding a sub than the mods do"...it's getting tiring tbh. Anything that is against the mods is getting upvoted, and it doesn't help that Gnarsies is trying to be edgy to appeal to the rebellious redditors...

[–]Madam-Temacia -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (26子コメント)

The fact someone gilded this just shows the shilling in action

holy shit abaondon thread shills are here

[–]mageosnsu 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Are his points not valid? If they aren't, are you actually going to counter them or just keep calling him a shill and not even try to tell people why.

[–]littlemikey27 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

they're gonna respond to you; they're just here to ruffle some feathers

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

These are the kind of people who have no informed opinion of their own, watch a video like Gnarsies and blindly side with him. They're a majority unfortunately.

[–]Jogindah 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

dont bother, children are out of school and posting on reddit

dont expect any meaningful understanding of anything beyond the video game

[–]rado1193 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

children are out of school and posting on reddit

Thank God we found the adult finally. I was worried we might be lost forever.

[–]SoDamnToxic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Do you really think /u/Madam-Temacia read any of it? He just read up until he realized the post was for the removing and made up his mind that he must be wrong and a shill.

[–]Madam-Temacia -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"he"

well first im a she.

second of all Im calling aidos a "shill" tounge in cheek and for the fact they suck the mods dick

[–]SoDamnToxic 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Smart one you are miss! Such good conversation skills and mannerism! What a proper and polite person you are!

How about instead of saying people suck dick, you provide a counter argument and a civil conversation?

[–]Tumblrinavictim [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not surprised, seeing as how easily influenced Reddit is. It's crazy that criticism is now being fucking taken down because they don't agree with it. Even if its controversial it should be left up, if people want to talk about it they should. It's League of Legends related content. Censoring stuff is the worst way to go about building a good community.

[–]tempname-3 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

>trolls so hard

>still has positive comment score

how do you do it man

EDIT: apparently woman

[–]Madam-Temacia [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yep woman

Also im not a troll just because I have a different view point then you buddy

[–]tempname-3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

good point madame, carry on

[–]mrocz(EU-NE) -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

>>>/b/

[–]Madam-Temacia -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yep

whatss wrong with /b/

[–]Jogindah -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

oh look more proof that you're just an edgy child lol

[–]Madam-Temacia -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"edgy"

"child"

[–]Klaent 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree 100%. Good removal by mods. But I also like that this thread gets upvoted, It's a good discussion to have. I'm happy with everything that has accured here, thats pretty rare on reddit :P

[–]mySTASH 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. Fuck all that shady business shit, but the product worked for me. Back when EUW servers had just gotten moved to the Netherlands, I would regularly get over 400 packet losses in a single match. Couldn't hit a single CS without getting "Attempting to Reconnect..."

WTFast cut that down to >5 and made the game playable for me. It was extremely noticeable. I posted a screenshot back then, I can probably find it again.

Fortunately I got a better ISP now, and Riot has been working out a lot of the moving issues, so I won't have to depend on WTFast anymore. But shit works yo.

  i swear i dont work for wtfast

[–]Yeahdudex -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Who the fuck gilded this drivel?

[–]tempname-3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

gr8 rebuttal mate (totally not biased)

[–]Kamishini 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

wtfast

[–]darkclaw6722 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone using logic instead of thinking, "The evil mods are corrupt!!!!!"

[–]fran13r [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

...What he did was dishonest and misleading

Still not a call to action. Also he added a huge annotation clarifying that those were testimonies and apologizing for treating them as facts.

Regardless of what they may have said, there was a call to action. The video creator specifically calls on Youtubers and streamers to boycott WTFast's "garbage" product. How is that not a call to action?

No it doesn't. It doesn't specifically call anyone to boycott WTFast, it just poses the question of why would they advertise something they don't use when there are so many complaints that the service doesn't work and the company has a clear history of shady business practice.

Also, youtubers are not the public.

can hardly play League on the east coast without it, it does work, people just have no clue how to properly use a VPN and make these bogus claims.

Could you make a post explaining how to set it up to get the best possible experience with league? That'll be nice and would dispel the myth that the software is useless for most users, providing that it is indeed a myth.

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Could you make a post explaining how to set it up to get the best possible experience with league? That'll be nice and would dispel the myth that the software is useless for most users, providing that it is indeed a myth.

It would be a complete waste of time as anything WTFast related it just going to get downvoted to hell. But basically it all comes down to trial and error. With WTFast at least, there are close to 60 servers in North America. Not all of them are going to work for you, some can actually make your connection worse, it really just comes down to trying them out and seeing what works for you.

I live in NYC and originally was trying Chicago ones, since it's in between me and the west coast, and while it lowered my ping and fixed my packet loss a good amount, I still did have issues sometimes. So I kept trying out other ones to see if I could find a connection that was a bit more consistent, and ultimately settled on one in Washington (North America, North West WA6), with that one I get about 85 ping and haven't had a single issue in the two months since I stumbled upon it.

So you basically have 3 options, choose a server close to you, one in between, or one closer to where the game server is located. There really aren't any settings worth toying around with, it all comes down to finding a route that improves your experience.

[–]fran13r [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It would be a complete waste of time as anything WTFast related it just going to get downvoted to hell.

You already have a fairly visible post with gold, just link it in a big edit.

Would you say that WTFast's free service is worth getting or do I just have to pay like you did?

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I used to use another VPN, and for the life of me I can't recall it's name now, but I was getting mixed results with that one regardless what I did so I tried out WTFast and had better luck. I don't think I even tried the free service, I just bought a month and hoped for the best and toyed around with it.

[–]ifuckedmeteos [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah same thing for me on the east coast. League was unplayable a few months ago so I found a thread on the league boards where someone said a VPN fixed his issue. I asked him what to use he said wtfast. Tried it for a month free and it solved all my packet loss. It's useless for me now since Riot's optimized my connection with my ISP and a lot of people in NA.

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah with the work they're doing this year, hopefully these VPN's won't be needed anymore. But for some people like myself, they still are. I don't believe Riot has any kind of agreement with Verizon yet, and Fios is pretty notorious for having packet loss issues on the east coast.

[–]RedheadAgatha(OCE) -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

he video creator specifically calls on Youtubers and streamers to boycott

Time reference, you shill? Just watched the video, twice, to confirm, and the closest he gets to any "call" is a question of "Why?".

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Time reference, you shill?

Why can't we have a mature discussion without tossing around insults or accusations?

"Why are you advertising this garbage if you even care about your League subscribers? Why don't you look for different sponsors?" 3:11

[–]is__is 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for bringing a voice of reason here.

[–]emotionalboys2001 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's not a call to action at all lol wtf

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's telling prominent people to abandon a sponsorship and blacklist them.

[–]emotionalboys2001 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No he's not, he's asking a question as in why do they do this

[–]tempname-3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Doesn't it sound like a loaded question to you?

[–]Volacrity -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I completely agree. While the mods were extremely shady and easily influenced with how they conducted this, and Voyboy acted like a piece of shit briefly for trying to surreptitiously support a company he has a conflict of interest with, the video didn't belong on this sub.

[–]Dravendless[With Style] (NA) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

thank you for input. id also like to add that the voyboy hatred in the comments is also ungrounded. his intentions and suggested call to action were completely called for. thank you for the hilarious edit and thank the mods for their "Voyboy, anything for you". i feel so bad for the shit the mods have to deal with.

[–]Gnarsies [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I hook people with a misleading premise, how evil and dishonest I am. Even though people in mass said this shit did not work. If WTFast did not advertise the way they do, they wouldn't have had the flak they got on Steam.

You want my experience with it? It improved my ping but made everything else worst: More packet drops, more disconnects, the software just downright crashing in the middle of games, ping spikes/packet drops that were not shown on their software's graphs, and sometimes being downright blocked from Riot's servers when using Pathfinder.

There are plenty other people who reported problems similar to mine. But instead of listening to them, you would rather just put your hands over your ears and go "lalalala" because it works for you. Wonderful.

When do I call for Youtubers to boycott WTFast? Stop putting words in my mouth. I question the Youtubers ethical standard for advertising software they don't use, from a company that uses unethical practices to deal with user complaints.

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Even though people in mass said this shit did not work. If WTFast did not advertise the way they do, they wouldn't have had the flak they got on Steam.

Blurring the issues again, just like in your video. Maybe you only see people complaining because that's what you're looking for, in addition, people who have no troubles with the software aren't going to be speaking up, there isn't a need. The way they advertise and the questionable things they did have nothing to do with the quality or effectiveness of the software.

There are plenty other people who reported problems similar to mine. But instead of listening to them, you would rather just put your hands over your ears and go "lalalala" because it works for you. Wonderful.

WTFast offers close to 60 servers in North America, I've had quite a handful not help me and some actually made my connection worse as you described. Setting up a VPN properly is a lot of trial and error until you find that server and route that works for you and actually does help your connect across the board. The people posting in your deleted thread were saying things like they spent 5 minutes with it and called it a shit program, these people put no effort into trying to get it to work properly.

When do I call for Youtubers to boycott WTFast? Stop putting words in my mouth. I question the Youtubers ethical standard for advertising software they don't use, from a company that uses unethical practices to deal with user complaints.

Maybe they don't use it because their connection is fine and they don't need to. That's what a VPN is for. You never use a VPN if your ping is fine and you're not experiencing packet loss. But just because they don't have a need to use it doesn't mean it doesn't work or it's not worth advertising to your viewers.

You say the following: "Why are you advertising this garbage if you even care about your League subscribers? Why don't you look for different sponsors?" I'm sorry if you don't see that as a call to action, but in English classes in high school and college they teach you to read between the lines. You're telling prominent people to abandon WTFast. If you don't see that, you're just lying to yourself to try and defend your point.

[–]Gnarsies [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Blurring my issues? That is EXACTLY the issue. The way they advertise has everything to do with the quality of the software, as the advertising sets the bar for what the software can do.

I spent time with it, I think it's definitely not a user-friendly program, they made that better with Pathfinder. However, my complaint with geo-blocking stands. If Riot decides to geoblock the server your packets come out of, you are screwed out of the game you are trying to play and will get an abandon, and restarting your computer is the only 100% reliable way to fix this. I've had this problem multiple times until I manually tweaked the chained servers I was connecting to. Then I've had lag spike issues, disconnect issues, and packets getting dropped. I've tried talking to WTFast support about the issue, they were unable to do anything to help. Great, it works for you, doesn't work for me.

If the product doesn't attract customers, and that customers that use it are so disgusted after 5 minutes, you should probably ask yourself what you are doing wrong.

And am I not allowed to ask loaded questions? The question is hypothetical. I'm not asking them to do something, I'm asking them why they're doing what they're doing right now and why they don't have different sponsors. It's a bullshit question because I already have the answer. I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The way they advertise has everything to do with the quality of the software

You could not be more wrong. Advertising is all about getting people to try your product. There are times something is advertised well, but the product is crap. And there are times something is really poorly advertised, but it happens to be quite good. They're completely independent of each other.

This is an example of a company doing a really shitty job getting people to want to try the product, but at the end of the day, the product does work for many people. You're completely cherry picking reviews and focusing on all the negative ones from people who couldn't get it to work, ignoring the many positive comments from people this program has helped.

If the product doesn't attract customers, and that customers that use it are so disgusted after 5 minutes, you should probably ask yourself what you are doing wrong.

That's a rather immature way to look at things. Not everything in life is simple and straight forward and can be done in 5 minutes. At the end of the day, users saying such things were just not willing to put the effort in or do the research to get something to work, and they got the result they deserved.

And am I not allowed to ask loaded questions? The question is hypothetical.

It sure didn't come off as hypothetical, a hypothetical question is one that is made up and not real. As in Thorin's many alien questions "What if aliens come to earth and...". That's a hypothetical question. Yours was a genuine question aimed straight at prominent people with a combined many viewers. You are questioning their judgement supporting a program with a clear aim to try and get them to stop.

[–]tempname-3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You never do directly call for Youtubers to boycott WTFast, just like how WTFast never says "use this product! it makes internet greater for everybody!"

[–]illme [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You seem like a real whiney douchebag. Calling out other peoples shit without supporting any facts.

[–]TrillBillvol2 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I agree with most of what you've said, but I feel we're on different sides of the argument.

But he provides no facts when he attacks the software

I agree 100% that the video creator should cite some facts, but really... anybody with even a partial understanding of how the Internet or VPNs work knows that for the overwhelming majority of people, this product will either do nothing or make their connection worse.

I can't tell you anything about what's in the software, because I'm not putting that shit on my computer, but it is very likely that it is adware or malware. That's how almost all products similar to this one profit their creators.

[–]Dragull 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not. I used it once. It worked. Unnistalled it after, easily, no harm done.

[–]Muuuxi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

its not adware nor malware, and it actually work for me with wildstar but I'm not in the US which make VPNs much more effective you are just assuming things pretty much like the dude who submitted the video

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

anybody with even a partial understanding of how the Internet or VPNs work knows that for the overwhelming majority of people, this product will either do nothing or make their connection worse.

I don't see how that's any fault of the VPN though. Consumers have to be aware of what they're buying and what it's going to do for them. They're not lying to anyone, if you have connection issues, a VPN can help with that.

[–]JimTM -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Fuck off shill.

[–]tempname-3 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

fuck off two year reddit user shilllll

[–]JimTM [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Don't be an idiot. The age of an account means nothing, you can buy accounts or pay anyone to say shit.

[–]tempname-3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

what if leddit just bunches of shills jerking back and forth???? there are no humans in leddit /r/lol

[–]i_pk_pjers_i [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

How is he being a shill? Why are you giving your opinion on something you don't understand?

You're criticising a product that you don't understand, and VPNs in general that you don't understand? VPNs CAN lower latency by drastically changing your routes and using routes with potentially less hops and/or less congestion on each hop. People who aren't doctors/nurses/etc don't give their opinion on whether something in the medical field is real, why do people do this with computers?

[–]tempname-3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

nah man people can't possibly hold different opinions than me its impossible

[–]JimTM [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Show me exactly where I gave my opinion on VPNs and I'll show you why you're completely fucking retarded.

[–]i_pk_pjers_i [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Wow, you're so angry for no reason. Everything I said is true.

[–]JimTM [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And you're completely fucking retarded. None of my posts are about VPNs or the technology surrounding them.

[–]TrillBillvol2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you not read the part where I said it's very likely that it's adware, spyware or malware? That's what's wrong with it.

Any free, trusted VPN connected to the right server could do what WTFast does and maybe more.

It is interesting to me that a company with a free version, or even a "free trial" would spend thousands of dollars sponsoring all of the major streamers and youtubers, save those who morally object to their offer. How else could they be profiting from this, if not ad/spy/malware?

I also find it interesting that, in the comments of this article (not the reddit thread), there are people calling you out for being a shill before your post even had any votes, but I have no context on that.

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disregarded it because I haven't seen any evidence of that. I've never had any pop-ups or having my computer behave in a weird fashion in the nearly half a year I've used it.

I also find it interesting that, in the comments of this article (not the reddit thread), there are people calling you out for being a shill. Before you even made your post here.

I just really don't like bullshit, I don't like hypocrisy, I don't like people misleading others, and I feel Gnarsies is guilty of all those things. I called him out on it when he first posted the video and was the only one doing so, so I guess my name stood out and people now assume I'm a WTFast crony.

[–]TheBlueBlood -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nicely said. Upvoting in hopes it get's higher.

[–]Muuuxi -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

relevant flair ;)

[–]Imgur_Lurker -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ajido, when you gonna be a mod? Did you get in, I was rooting for you.

[–]DogeBets -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How much ping reduced?

[–]Ajido[Twitter xAjido] (NA) -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For me it helps more with packet loss than ping. Ping is slightly lower, without it I get anywhere from 95-115, with it, it's a constant 85. But no packet loss at all.

Not everyone has the same problems. Your routed default connection may have high ping, but no packet loss, so a VPN could help that, others like myself may come across hops experiencing packet loss, so rerouting with a VPN helps to avoid that. A VPN will never improve your connection if it's already running under optimal conditions, but in this day and age with the internet being so congested, virtually no one has that perfect connection across the country.

[–]ViciousSkittle -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't use WTFast because my connection is fine in EUW, and I tried playing some NA games from the UK with around 180 ping. I then used WTFast and tried connecting on multiple servers from them, the best I could drop was 30 ping from the UK to NA. Which is a pretty big deal IMO, especially when its an east coast player losing 30 ping.