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[–]A_glorious_dawn 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (1子コメント)

awkward...

[–]MushyPlushie 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm really disheartened to see this. I'd still like to give her the benefit of the doubt, but theoretically speaking, if I payed $80 for a necklace believing that a person that I respected had made it, only for it to turn out to be a complete and total lie, I'd be very upset...

[–]BanjoKazooieManiacBut in my heart, I wanted more 166 ポイント167 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Before /r/ventgrumps gets any more shit

Rule number one:

Try not to cross post VentGrumps - worthy stuff to the main sub. Posting videos or links just to see how the main sub will react isn't cool.

-Vent Grumps mod

Not that it matters though. I mean, say whatever you want. I don't really mind.

[–]BrineDudeGaming 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Banjo, in this case, I think it's a good idea to let it slide into this sub.

It's helpful information that helps others thinking about buying from Suzy...

[–]BanjoKazooieManiacBut in my heart, I wanted more 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (5子コメント)

True I guess, but some people here view VentGrumps as a method to shove aside the negativity and focus on the fan content and what not. It's not that I don't think it matters, it's just that I don't think the majority of /r/gamegrumps cares. That's why I made it a rule in the first place!

[–]kdebones 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No no, it's a good rule for general shit and shit. But if the issue is something where someone is potentially being ripped off or being cheated, it's worth bringing up. It's a case by case thing, where you have to weigh "Is this worth causing a shitstorm over?". 9/10 it's not, but sometimes there are. Thanks though for coming and mentioning this rule is a thing.

[–]bigbang5766 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Your presence has help me understand that y'all ain't bad people. To be frank, the OP's investigation came out fruitful, but it was really creepy. It's good to see the mods are mindful, as well as most of the community

[–]Rokusi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The worst part of this whole thing is that it means psychicpebbles was right when he called the grumps' subreddit creepy. As much as I want to just think he's a dick, there isn't really any way to rationalize this one.

[–]Avelrah 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Zach just speaks the truth with that beautiful, godlike voice of his.

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    [–]NikolaTesla1 192 ポイント193 ポイント  (44子コメント)

    Hoo boy. Son, this ain't gonna end well for anyone, but that's why I came with popcorn.

    EDIT: whoah! Front page golaaah dammit.

    [–]GlassesJacketNShirt 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    http://i.imgur.com/NnoGhN1.jpg?fb

    [–]mardfet[S] 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Here, I brought some!

    http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/11/mj_popcorn.gif http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/popcorn_yes.gif http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/popcorn_jon_stewart.gif

    [–]TheEvilKingStan 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I miss psych

    [–]Big_Poo_MaGrew 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    RIP pineapples

    [–]2joker1 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Seriously all of my psych merch now makes me look like I'm a stoner. I mean, I am. But still...

    [–]PillagerguyD Club 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You heard about Psych?

    That's messed up, right?

    [–]A_glorious_dawn 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    forgot one

    [–]PancakesaurusRexDuck goes quack. Quack quack quack. 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    And I've got the confetti!

    [–]joebillybobYou can never understand how I feel. 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Gets me every time.

    [–]naynaythewonderhorse 185 ポイント186 ポイント  (25子コメント)

    I don't usually post in this sub, but I gotta say...I don't really care all that much about this. The real problem here is that whoever did this "expose" cares waaaayyyy too much about something completely irrelevant to anything related to the show. It's pretty much a desperate attempt to find ways to criticize the one person on the show that you don't like.

    Regardless of what you think of her, the REAL issue here are these companies being so willing to give out the information about their customers. Really. I mean, it's possible that one of these companies is really bad about customer service, but ALL of them? What the hell? Why are these companies giving out personal information? Moreover, why are the people in this sub or that sub THEMSELVES asking for personal information? It's freaking awful that you'd treat a person like this and expect a reaction that will put this entire sub in a place it doesn't want to be in. Get over it. Seriously. What do you hope to accomplish through this?

    [–]Obskulum 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    I'm not in the camp of "let's burn Suzy at the cross", nor am I "let's just look the other way bcuz perfect."

    When you get older shit like this won't stick. You won't care that much. You look at this and say, "Well fuck, that's dumb of her. She should probably apologize for being unprofessional." But that's it. I know that people who want to take a piss on folks trying to make people laugh absolutely will (ala ventgrumps), and I know that people who already really don't like Suzy will just use this to further cement their views. I know some will use absolutist arguments and some will look at the whole thing and try to make decent sense of it. But in the end it's worth about 3 seconds of disappointment/anger.

    It's exactly as you put it mang. She's in the wrong sure, but how we got this info kinda makes me raise a brow. Like okay, weird comparison, but some of you might remember that racist fuck team owner (Silver I think?) and his less than favorable disposition towards blacks. But guess what? He said this IN HIS OWN HOME. Fucker is a fuck, yeah, and there's no excuse for his attitude, but do the ends justify the means? Sort of the same barrel-o-fish; information that had no business being disclosed/dug around was. Suzy made an unprofessional, human mistake, and I can look past that. Actively digging up shit though? Goddamn people, take it /co/ and /v/ to satisfy your tasteless rage boner.

    This is stupidly long winded and about all the time I want to put in on the issue, but whatever. For the record I don't think she's all that funny, isn't organic to the comedy "structure," lacks a lot of synergy and probably feels phased out in the this "grumps" economy. But is she the devil? Of course not. I'll tell you one thing I've learned, the emotional spectrum of some people is so goddamn whiny teenager that they'd go to some serious lengths on their "I really don't like this person, crusade." Grow up, would you?

    Only thing I can hope for is that folks won't act like cock-gobbling fuckheads, in ANY spectrum of this argument.

    [–]Bacon_HammersI've been diddled again! 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    You look at this and say, "Well fuck, that's dumb of her. She should probably apologize for being unprofessional."

    That's kind of my stance on the whole thing. I'm just kind of sitting back and helplessly watching this whole thing burn down.

    [–]Obskulum 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's a bit flabbergasting. Don't act dumb, it's so easy to not fuck up. Pretty damn surprised Suzy thought this would get away and now she has to deal with mudfuck mess this will bring.

    This makes me tired.

    [–]Bacon_HammersI've been diddled again! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    These are all lessons you have to learn some time in your life. It just makes me sad that she had to learn it the hard way, and on a public forum no less.

    [–]mrtlwolf 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    FWIW, Donald Sterling was the owner, Adam Silver was the one to give him the boot.

    [–]DigitalDiatribes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think a fairly sizable chunk of the Gamegrumps' target audience is too young to fully grasp what you're trying to say here.

    Kudos for giving it a shot, though.

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      [–]Oximoron1122 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Dude, I was weirded out about the divulging of sale records too! What's up with that?!

      [–]lady_mortisTHE BANANAS HAS GONE BAD 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      careful; people will downvote you for not raging with the rest of them!

      im with you, though. im a crafter on etsy and ive actually used some of those shops as well, and seeing that they'll just GIVE OUT that information so easily makes me not want to do business with them anymore. either that, or OP lied to get the answers out. id like to see the original messages so we can tell what the story is on that.

      [–]naynaythewonderhorse 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I get the impression that there is more to this then meets the eye as well. Even if Suzy did lie, the "detective" here clearly lied as well. What exactly DID that person ask? Even more so, why in HELL would they even give the exact e-mail out? In fact, with that information you're giving out a customers home address...and the whole "I hope she's OK!" deal makes it even more fishy.

      [–]baskarcoyote 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think it's a little too weird, or maybe even flat out worrisome that companies can be contacted about someone else entirely and give out information like that. That's either bad business practice, or something fishy might be going on. But it's not my place to call or care. The lengths that post went to show a scary level of obsession, imo.

      [–]spacezookeeper 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      I'm willing to bet somewhere between 75 and 95% of Suzy's sales are directly from Game Grumps fans, so yes, it is relevant.

      Personally, I don't care if Suzy is buying stuff from other places, throwing it on a chain, copying other artists and selling stuff etc.

      I do care about:

      1. Dishonest marketing. Pyrite and laboradorite rosary Fleur de lis choker necklace! One of a kind! One of a kind! It's technically true, no one else is putting this stuff on chains that she knows of. The description is meant to up its value, present it as though it's special instead of mass produced.

      2. Her choice of items to put on her necklaces make it seem as though she really could have made the actual item. The simplicity. These items are chosen to give the impression that she made them. This is done on purpose. This item for instance is chosen to appear as though she got the tooth, placed it inside the metal and glass, and fused it all together instead of ordered a mass produced item from China.

      3. Lack of integrity when pricing. She hasn't priced these items based upon what she believes they're worth, she's priced them based upon what other people are willing to pay for them. Quite the capitalist. She's exploiting people through clever marketing. She's exploiting the fan base.

      [–]riversun 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      420% of stats on the internet are horseshit

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        [–]elemlo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        It's fair and all that you think there are related issues that matter more to you, but that doesn't cleanse her slate from potentially lying to her costumers and overselling at a ridiculous profit.

        I also find it funny that you first claim there to be another "real problem", and then say "regardless of what you think, the REAL issue". It is kind of like when Jon said the IS shit was more important when people called him out for using the word retard.

        [–]Erotic_Asphyxia 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I just think there's a lot of sidestepping too. She told a lot of bold faced lies. She's got lots of fans, it's important to be honest in her situation. I think it's pretty crummy mainly because it shows she will lie if it means people will believe her and buy her ridiculous markups that she gained because she's popular and because..she's willing to lie for the ability to do that. I think if you're a fan of anyone and they seem like they are cool with lying to make money it definitely would make you question a lot about them.

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          [–]Sworderailer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          It's been deleted I think.

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            [–]Parkmayn 203 ポイント204 ポイント  (16子コメント)

            Cool, this probably won't affect me watching Game Grumps though.

            [–]BrineDudeGaming 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            It's just important to know if someone's out there looking to buy from Suzy.

            We'll save someone, hopefully, ya know?

            [–]skywardandy 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I think 'saving' is too self entitled but a business person should be as transparent as possible about the products they're selling, which is why I do support this post. It's simply a legitimate concern, nothing against any of the grumps.

            [–]Magictaco54 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I believe/hope he means saving money

            [–]AOBCD-8663 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            They're buying crystals off etsy... What do they think they're getting?

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                  [–]jaypo90 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The lie about supporting local businesses leaves a bad taste. If she was upfront about where she got her stuff from and the amount of effort/work that went into the product, it'd be no big deal - you charge whatever people are willing to pay. Unfortunately, for whatever reason she just wasn't upfront about it. That's pretty shite. Best thing to do is to just own up to it at this point.

                  [–]soupynoodle 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Suzy pls. I like you, but this is wrong

                  [–]Bacon_HammersI've been diddled again! 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Hey guys, what's going on in h- Ohhhh.....oh no.....

                  [–]GourmetLeaf 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  But did you really bring pizza?

                  [–]Zanir 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Totally uncool.

                  [–]Sirdannykins 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  If she was honest about it, it wouldn't be a problem. But the fact that she denied it, and there is proof she is lying makes this a big deal.

                  [–]lady_mortisTHE BANANAS HAS GONE BAD 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  that's really my only issue with anything involving her etsy; i'm lurking hoping well see some sort of explanation lol

                  [–]joebillybobYou can never understand how I feel. 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (35子コメント)

                  Paging /u/suzyberhow in case she wants to add anything.

                  EDIT: Suzy's response.

                  [–]A__Hitler 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  The best move would be just to admit her wrong and apologize. The wrong move would be to be silent on the matter, and the worst possible move would be to blame the members of this community for it.

                  My prediction is that she'll blame the community for being so pokey, explain that she may be pricing her jewelry at a markup, but if people are willing to pay that much it's their choice. She may still insist that she actually did visit local markets to buy some of the said items. This will create a divide in the community, some who will avidly support her, some who will avidly be against her.

                  This will be interesting.

                  [–]2joker1 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                  Shell probably just say we are all sexist again.

                  [–]Troller101 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                  When did she say it the first time?

                  [–]2joker1 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                  Fuck, uh, on tumblr back a few weeks ago. It was a response to all the hate she had for being on game grumps.

                  Here you go. Found a link.

                  [–]byperbamyoush can go 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  TIL apparently game grumps is not a comedy show

                  [–]2joker1 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  Seriously Suzy alone needs a PR manager.

                  [–]lady_mortisTHE BANANAS HAS GONE BAD 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  they need to not let her near comment sections when shes angry tbh. i like her but she definitely responds without thinking ALOT.

                  [–]Bill_H_Cosby 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  You kinda gotta have the mindset of resisting replying when its your job. replying calmly or not replying at all is generally the best answer to an angry commenter

                  [–]2joker1 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  So getting a PR manager..?

                  [–]I_SPLIT_INFINITIVES 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  That has been going on for a long time. I remember like a year ago I saw her chasing some of the most downvoted comments and responding to them. Like, dude, you don't need to be down below the negative 100 threshold arguing with people. Shit looks bad.

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                      [–]UberNarwhalGuy 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                      This was more in reference to the blatantly hateful people in the fandom, though- not the legitimate criticisms. She even specified in the post that she understood that some people just don't think she's funny, but there were a lot of people who legitimately got a little too worked up over her being on the show.

                      This ordeal is a completely different situation, but I think that post was warranted considering how ridiculous some of the comments were getting at the time.

                      [–]2joker1 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      Oh buddy. She only referenced the people who think she isn't funny so that she could say game grumps isn't a comedy show which is blatantly untrue.

                      Yes, there were a lot of criticisms that were legitimate. But she lumped those in with the rest. Its typically a bad thing to say that a large number of people don't like you because they are sexist.

                      [–]UberNarwhalGuy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      But she didn't lump them together? She points out in the second line that she was specifically upset by people claiming she knew nothing about video games and shouldn't be on the show. If you weren't being hateful and weren't being unreasonable, she probably wasn't referring to you- and I'm sure a lot of people with reasonable criticisms were fine with her posting that to address the issue.

                      Lots of the hatred died down after she posted this, but you can't act like there wasn't an ungodly amount of vitriol pointed at her then.

                      [–]Rokusi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I'm personally just still bitter that she called us a pile of shit during the whole video fiasco.

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                            [–]playin4power 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (38子コメント)

                            uh...Suzy? Some explaining please. I love you but this is kind of dirty.

                            [–]thatJainaGirl 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (37子コメント)

                            Kind of? This is straight up dishonesty and abuse of her following. It's disgusting.

                            [–]FaultyWires 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (32子コメント)

                            I don't know what to think about the crystal one, but products are worth what people will pay for them. If you want to buy the individual parts and arrange them yourself, you can. If not, and you're willing to pay her price for arrangement, it's worth that amount. She has a video up with Holly talking about etsy where Holly basically says "I tend to reduce prices and underprice" and Suzy says "I had to raise my prices because things kept selling out quickly.

                            It's basic capitalism. As far as the frame parts go, what's the problem there? She bought a frame, she bought some adornments, she assembled them together with a bug that she did... something with, and sold it as a piece of art.

                            I don't necessarily care enough to look into how she's representing the pieces, but most of this seems like pretty standard for things you see at art fairs and etsy stores.

                            [–]bobainia 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                            I think the biggest problem is she has previously claimed something along the lines of "The reason it's so pricey is I buy local, and wasn't aware there were cheaper options." (I believe her exact wording is discussed in the ventgrumps post) But this post shows she clearly doesn't buy local AND knew there were cheaper options before that post. People are going to pay what they're going to pay, but lying about locality and knowledge of these place's pricing is dishonest.

                            [–]SuperCho 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            It's not so much the markup (though that is still a big part) and more-so her downright lying about where she got the pieces and why they were so pricey.

                            [–]Troggie42Professional Milton Manufacturer 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            If products are worth what people will pay for them, the concept of something being overpriced wouldn't exist in the first place. Sure, SOMEONE is gonna pay for it, but that doesn't mean it's worth that. If I resell a box of girl scout cookies for $50 somehow that doesn't mean they're worth $50, it means I scammed someone out of $45 more than they should have paid for it.

                            [–]2joker1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Dude where are you that GSCs are 5 dollars? I'm payin 3 over here.

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                                [–]Obskulum 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Well here's the thing. Nobody would know if it wasn't disclosed by the vendors. Doesn't lessen the impact of what Suzy did (and I really, really don't fucking care that much, just apologize for the muck and move on, we're only human) but all the same it's like, it's not your decision to give info out like that on a client-consumer relationship. At least with some business ethics anyway.

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                                  [–]StarShield1920 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                  Will people seriously just divulge information to random strangers about people they do business with like that?

                                  [–]Troggie42Professional Milton Manufacturer 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  A lot of sellers on Etsy HATE when shit like this happens. (Hell, some of em are in this thread) because it ruins the reputation of the whole site, and hurts EVERYONE'S bottom line. Therefore they'll help out to pull back the curtain on some bullshit.

                                  [–]BrineDudeGaming -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                  Are you saying it's bad that they did? IMO, if there's suspicious business being practiced, we have the right to know.

                                  [–]StarShield1920 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  What I'm saying is it's extremely strange and even disconcerting that multiple people would receive a message from a complete stranger asking "Hey, has so and so purchased anything from you before? If so, what have they purchased?" and, as a response, freely divulge the information. One guy even stated where it was being delivered and gave the tracking number of the order. That's very unsettling. Suppose you purchased something from one of these vendors, you're not the least bit bothered by the idea that quite literally anyone could ask this person if you've bought anything from them recently and they'd reply by revealing details about where your purchases were shipped and when?

                                  [–]NastyWetSmear 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  "Pardon me, does my husband shop here?"
                                  "Yes, miss. He likes 'Chicks With Dicks 5: This time it's internal', 'Gloria's Golden Shower', 'Farming Frenzy 6' and 'Butt Busters 33, The Siege Of Mount Arse'. He also used a credit card to buy a 'Back Door Blaster' sex toy. Would you like to see a copy of the payment info?"

                                  I don't care about this issue at all. I mean, even SLIGHTLY. However, assuming whatever evidence was being presented is real and not faked for upvotes and drama, were I Suzy, I'd be primarily outraged at the sellers giving away that information first and the people trying to use it here second. I dunno about America, but here in Australia I'm pretty sure that's 100% illegal.

                                  [–]samsim1990 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Chinese don't regulate, free for all.

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                                    [–]Prinnia 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Giving out a person's private information, including their address and purchase history, which is then posted publicly on the internet? That...seems pretty bad to me, yeah.

                                    But also, the way the OP went about getting the information from the sellers is questionable based on their responses. One of them said that she hoped Suzy was ok and another seemed to be confirming that the item was successfully delivered, and the OP never screencapped their own messages asking about the items. Shady revelation of information + questionable responses from sellers = suspicion that OP might have lied about knowing Suzy to get the information.

                                    It's just fishy practice all around, from everyone. So, if you believe we have the right to know how suspicious everyone is being, well, there you go!

                                    [–]Buttock 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Suspicious? Nothing illegal, purely unethical (if true). This kind of information should not be divulged to random third parties.

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                                      [–]LBPRacers 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                      Why are people defending Suzy for scamming?

                                      [–]TensePsychopath 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      becuz precious grump overlords might not return to subreddit!

                                      [–]Troggie42Professional Milton Manufacturer 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Pretty dead on accurate. People have been walking on eggshells about grump related criticism since they started poking their heads in here again.

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                                        [–]DagwoodDeluxeWhy is he doing BACKFLIPS?? 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        uh oh dunkey busted

                                        [–]GralkorI'M NOT SO MOD 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        by SuzyBerhow in gamegrumps [–]SuzyBerhow [S] -2 points 9 months ago

                                        "The system is the way it is for a reason, don't steal other peoples content and upload it as your own and you will be fine."

                                        huh...

                                        [–]mardfet[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        AIRHORNNNN-A-A-A-AIRHOOOORRNNN

                                        [–]Prinnia 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        I'm really not sure what to think about all of this, because reading the responses from another taxidermist made me question some of it, but it's clear that pretty much everyone in this situation is fishy in some way or another. I hadn't noticed the "Hope she's ok" thing from the sellers who revealed the information before. That...almost proves that the investigator must have claimed to have some reason to ask for her order history other than this thread, although I can't think of what that might've been.

                                        In some ways I want to defend Suzy even if she is marking up her stuff because, well, you have a right to sell your stuff for however much you want. I just wish she would be more up-front about what goes into it before people buy the stuff. I still like Suzy, and I don't know if she's making crazy markups or not. Frankly I just don't care about that. If she has been lying, though, I'd appreciate a genuine apology more than a nebulous explanation, if she came clean and apologized I could go right back to loving her unquestioningly. If she's telling the truth, a video or detailed explanation of her process or something might help clear up doubts.

                                        [–]2joker1 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Youre focusing on the markups and that's not what this is about. That's just icing on the cake.

                                        We are concerned that she blatantly lies on her page, and then blatantly lied to the fanbase, who is almost surely the majority of her customers. She can make a 500% markup. People will still buy that. But don't come around lying to my face so I'll buy something.

                                        [–]shy119203 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        expecting anything ever made on Etsy to be real or genuine or of any value

                                        Ha

                                        [–]AnalBumCoversCake Fyarts 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Bro, wanna see a picture of my grandma?

                                        [–]henryuuk 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Sure, why not

                                        [–]silletta 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Sorry but I disagree, there's plenty of great things on Etsy, you just need to know where to look. Want to stop seeing the same Game of Thrones engraved glassware? Browse through the later pages. Keep in mind that the first things you see are the items that are the most recently "renewed." Basically, if you renew an item, it brings it to the front of a search list, so many of the more wealthy etsy sellers spend a lot of money renewing items for more views and thus more revenue. This doesn't mean what is up front is bad, but often you can find truly great quality stuff on etsy if you search a bit farther through the pages. Another pro tip is to visit r/etsy because often sellers will post coupon codes for others on the subreddit and descriptions of their shop you won't get on etsy itself.

                                        Source: am etsy seller/slave

                                        [–]MeesterMan00 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Nah dude, there are some fine people on etsy.

                                        [–]AndrewNeoBot wrangler[M] 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                        The thread was briefly removed because the title (be descriptive, people). It has been reinstated, but be civil.

                                        [–]DickMcMuffinTwat Fraggle? ARIN, STOP. 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Thank you.

                                        [–]A__Hitler 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        A good call, if a tough one. Nice to see you guys aren't going down a bad path in regards to censoring user posts.

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                                          [–]TransparentDrifter 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                          I mean, did we not figure out that suzy was kinda...off...when she posted about how a guy had NO RIGHT to post an edited video containing her content? (ignoring fair use laws that allow her husband to make money.)

                                          Suzy can be..."off".

                                          source*, and another, and another, and finally, this dingle.

                                          *If you think that fair use laws don't apply here, you are a fool, and Suzy was absolutely in the wrong in that situation. Grumps don't ask permission to play games on their videos, because that would be literally insane.

                                          edit: changed "gem" to "dingle" because apparently "gem" is too dank of a meme for you wild dudes

                                          [–]Pissball_JenkinsOH IT'S A DILDUS 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          LLLET'S ALL GO TO THE EXPOSÉ TO THE EXPOSÉ TO THE EXPOSÉ

                                          [–]EED_APAP 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                          Why isn't this thread appearing on the sub anymore? I left the thread and couldn't find it again. I could only get back in through a direct link.

                                          What happened?

                                          [–]MushyPlushie 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                          The mods took it down.

                                          [–]AnalBumCoversCake Fyarts 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I just found it by scrolling through my front page as of 10:46 MST. Maybe the mods decided to take it down for everyone but me.

                                          [–]skywardandy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          IMO, they shouldn't had. Even if it's creepy people shouldn't support what seems to be a scam.

                                          [–]MushyPlushie 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          It was probably a tough call for them. They want to keep this subreddit as peaceful as possible and I totally get that. But you're right. This isn't some /r/ConspiracyGrumps theory about Jon being censored. It's alerting fans of a potential scam of which we are a pretty large target group. Important stuff. But letting it turn into a shirtstorm before Suzy has even had the chance to respond is probably a bad idea. Again: tough call.

                                          [–]BrineDudeGaming 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          It's public again.

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                                            [–]Lakijo 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Well, she's a liar.

                                            [–]Sworderailer 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            IM NOT READY FOR THIS.

                                            [–]samsim1990 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            To those who bought from Suzy. If you feel that you have been deceived by her previous claim of every item bought locally, feel free to call the BBB of California and the California attorney general if she does not make it right first. Technically, she broke federal law by not disclosing the origin of MFG on the parts she used.

                                            [–]Herb_Budman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Just a note for the readers, the BBB stands for Better Business Bureau. You can formally file complaints against companies/businesses that are unjust. It's a system that attempts to keep companies transparent (in a way) and accountable with a rating system and etc. They have a website as well, though I'm unsure of the rules of posting links to sites. A quick search will get you there however.

                                            [–]JTD_Rekcile 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            I just want to also say that this kind of in depth investigation into some random youtubers wife proves Psychicpebbles 100% correct about what he said of Grump fans.

                                            Just saying.

                                            [–]mardfet[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            OH GOSH 75 COMMENTS IN 2 HOURS ABANDON THREAD

                                            TellmypopcornIlovedher

                                            [–]TransparentDrifter 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            I think the thread may have been removed by mods?

                                            [–]DickMcMuffinTwat Fraggle? ARIN, STOP. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            It's back!!

                                            [–]TransparentDrifter 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            and I hope it stays. Because this is fucking wrong. Incredibly wrong.

                                            [–]Crash15 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            well then

                                            this gon b gud

                                            [–]BlueStar428 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                            Taking advantage of husband's fans... That's a whole nother level of shady

                                            [–]LC_Music 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Suzy has been doing youtube stuff WAY WAY before game grumps and had her own fanbase way before gamegrumps. I used to watch Suzy with my ex wife years ago.

                                            [–]Cheerwines 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            fat shady?

                                            [–]shrimHat 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Shadynasty

                                            [–]Troller101 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Naw, slim shady

                                            [–]Freezinghero 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            For some reason you made me think of Slim Jims, and then of Randy Savage, and now i am picturing in my head if Macho Man Randy Savage had become a rapper.

                                            [–]planetmurph 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Maybe something like this?

                                            [–]Troggie42Professional Milton Manufacturer 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Since when was making your own crafts to sell on Etsy a prerequisite?

                                            ;)

                                            [–]myfajahas400childrenDouchelo 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Welp, looks like it's time to go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for all of this to blow over.

                                            I'm here for the entertaining video game commentary, not this drama.

                                            [–]Simify 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            So, basically, she buys the outside pieces of stuff, she buys the inside pieces of stuff, she sticks them together, and sells them at 1000% markup claiming them unique and hand-made?

                                            That's fucked up. :X

                                            I don't really care for suzy to begin with, her content isn't my style and her presence on GG is very unremarkable- she doesn't have the improvisational talent or comedy skills to compete with anyone else. But this is kind of a cincher. On top of not being appropriate for the show, she's also...kind of...really lame. I mean, that's just...not cool. (Though this lameness was already implied when she called everyone shitty misogynists because people didn't like her on the show)

                                            [–]Eronecorp 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            God damn, I've already seen this while browsing on Tumblr, and I didn't care that much about it. But dropping this on the sub will activate a neverending shitstorm. At least you didn't make an opinion on the title, to let people discuss about it. I really like the Grumps sub because of its freedom of speech, there are some really interesting discussions here and there, but it's also the reason why the Grump crew has some kind of love/hate relationship with us.

                                            [–]skywardandy 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                            Honestly, it is really creepy to go to these lengths to prove what a random person on the internet is selling, but it does seem to be quite dishonest and in that case I can't blame people for posting it. This is just wrong, fans shouldn't support this.

                                            However, since I'm extremely gullible I'll give her the benefit of the doubt depending on her response to this whole debacle. I want to clarify that I don't hate Suzy neither I find her unfunny, she seems to be a nice person who sometimes gets too much hate from the fans. That being said, I hope this isn't taken as hate, it's a legitimate concern your consumers have.

                                            Either way, I usually tell people to avoid purchasing things on Etsy. Nothing against the creative individuals who put their work there, it's just that imo it isn't a reliable platform.

                                            [–]NUDEandCONFUSED -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                            Its not really creepy when it uncovers an actual scam. Thats just good detective work.

                                            [–]henryuuk 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                            So if this ended up NOT uncovering something it would have been creepy ?
                                            that's not how it works.
                                            it's either creepy in both cases, or in neither case.

                                            If I make a SWATcall to your door, and it turned out you really had something illegal going on, that doesn't mean my 'prank'-SWAT call wasn't wrong, it just meant something good came out of it.

                                            [–]skywardandy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Nah it's still creepy, good to know to inform consumers but still creepy. Who would put so much of their time and dedication into this? It's just weird.

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                                              [–]xanduin24 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                              I get that it appears pretty damning, but it's sad to see people launching into Suzy without waiting for a defense.

                                              As a side question, will businesses actually tell random people information about who bought what just by asking?

                                              [–]BrineDudeGaming 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                              She gave a defense, and this is proof she lied in it...

                                              [–]xanduin24 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              Yes, and it's upsetting/angering to see, but I'd personally like to wait and hear a response from her.

                                              Others can start hating whenever they want, but it still makes me sad. Can't change that. It's just, like, my opinion man.

                                              [–]Avelrah 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              She won't respond though. There is no legitimate excuse for what she did, so she's just gonna keep being silent until this blows over.

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                                                [–]malinda117 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                As someone who owns an Etsy page, selling items that take sometimes WEEKS to make, only to end up having to get a part time McJob to actually pay my bills, seeing Suzy just put a pendant on a chain and slap a $100 price tag on it is disgusting. I know a lot of people don't care about this, but she sells things to Lovelies, who visit this subreddit and exposing what she's doing is going to save them money and the anger of finding this out after they buy something themselves. It might not effect you, sure, but it's still important to get out there. For anyone to just ride someone's coat-tails for being internet famous and think they can get away with this just because the fans will buy anything is shady and immoral.

                                                [–]Loud_Pierrot 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I kind of wanted to order something from her, but with all this sources listed i think i'll try to make it myself now....

                                                [–]I_SPLIT_INFINITIVES 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                Damn. If I was Arin I would have a lot of regret about bringing Suzy onto the show. She clearly cannot handle the spotlight or the scrutiny that it brings, she makes up for her lack of comedy by claiming that it's not a comedy show, and now it appears she does shady shit in her other ventures. They should have kept their professional lives separate because all Suzy is capable of is dragging Arin down.

                                                [–]Herb_Budman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                Agreed entirely, not about the bit assuming how Arin feels or what not, I'd be disappointed as well, but I have a feel she has him whipped. If you look at her "Draw My Life" video where she and Arin go over their "break up" period, it's clear it was a one sided deal. Arin sent her letters every day trying to win her back, then she eventually came back after it didn't work out with the other guy. That kinda showed how much HE cares and how little she did (at that time at least). The lying to her fans and grump fans alike, calling us sexist, making excuses ffor why she needn't be funny, like Grumps isn't a comedy show first, fanbase is a shit pile, etc. She doesn't seem to be a nice person at all. She seems to be downright manipulative, especially given this recent reveal of her Etsy stuff. I agree that she should just NOT be a Grump anymore. She's in my opinion and from what I've seen given the dislike bar in their videos with her, the most disliked Grump and least considered a "real" Grump.

                                                [–]Fghtffyrdmns27 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                Welp everybody makes mistakes, it doesn't mean Suzy is the devil. Even though it is a pretty shitty thing to lie and potentially scam your fanbase. I hope she has an explanation for this or at least an apology.

                                                [–]DickMcMuffinTwat Fraggle? ARIN, STOP. 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                That's the thing, right? An apology would be fine. Just a sincere apology for lying. That's all that's needed. I hope it's given.

                                                [–]BrineDudeGaming 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                Also a refund to customers if possible...

                                                [–]ImPhelpsingIt 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                It needs to be made possible. This is not ok.

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                                                    [–]SuzyBerhow 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (143子コメント)

                                                    Hey guys,

                                                    Before I say anything I just want to apologize for some things I said. I claimed that I buy parts locally and that isn't true. I guess I was just scared... this is my first time running a shop and I didn't want to seem like I'm selling cheap parts (I'm not), I don't know, I guess that's not a valid excuse for saying something like that, but know that I'm sorry, it wasn't right and I'd never make a claim like that again.

                                                    I can proudly stand by many of my previous claims, though. The chains I use are absolutely from Italy and any parts or accessories I outsource to use in my products are always what I deem to be high in quality. I've thrown out plenty of parts I didn't think were up to snuff. Also, I just wanted to note, there was some doubt over my claim that my bugs were "flown in from all over the world." While I do order a lot of bugs from the Taiwan service that was mentioned, I try to diversify my sources. My Deathhead moths, for example, are direct from Poland from a private seller, I've shipped in several moths from the UK (Leopard moth, etc), and I deal personally with a very reputible vendor in the US who deals with distributors all over the world (for most of my butterflies).

                                                    Like I said, this is a learning experience for me, and I'm trying to grow from these kinds of situations. There were some criticisms a while back that I took to heart and I changed my inventory as a response to, particularly the gem necklaces and rings (I don't sell any of those anymore and haven't for a while). I've made some mistakes in the past and I've tried my best to own up to them and do what I can to provide exceptional service to my customers. It's something I take pretty seriously and I hope my shop's Etsy rating can speak for itself.

                                                    It's no secret that a lot of my parts and accessories are from other great Etsy artists, but it was troubling to me that so many of the people I had bought from seemed so eager to give out personal information about my transactions with them. I reached out to all of the sellers the OP posted screenshots from. So far 2 have replied and they both denied having shared any information to any third parties.

                                                    http://imgur.com/rJm7swM http://imgur.com/2GkLqzN

                                                    So I don't really understand what's going on in that regard, but I'm not ashamed to be working with these sellers. They make great items that I'm proud to use in my collection.

                                                    I just want everyone to know that I'm sorry if I disrespected anyone and I really do appreciate the genuine concern for my shop and the levels of quality you expect from it. It shows me you care and I couldn't really ask for more. I certainly hold my work up to a high standard and it's uplifting to know so many others do too!

                                                    [–]Herb_Budman 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Not a question of "if", you disrespected anyone, you straight up deceived your fans and costumers in general. It's not exactly like you're hurting for cash, so it comes off even more ridiculous that'd you lie for success and hike prices so much. It's exploitation and as several other commenters replied before me, this halfhearted apology is nothing more than damage control and an attempt to ride the positive wave of unthinking white knights that come to your aid every time you do something similar while simultaneously ignoring, discrediting and burying the criticism. This isn't the first time you've displayed a negative trait or attitude towards your fans/grump fans in general, it's not cool. This time however, you deceived possibly your most loyal fanbase, the people that literally fork over money to you for your dishonest products. That, I hope, isn't overlooked by them. It's not something that should be overlooked.

                                                    [–]sirjaimes 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                    Suzy,

                                                    Thank you for apologizing for being misleading, but you haven't clarified anything about your sources. I know I'm genuinely interested in knowing the names of any of the stores you use. Right know the only thing we know for certain is that you do buy cheap parts from Chinese vendors.

                                                    Like the holy water vial for example. You bought one of those for $3 and sold it for $80. I doubt a fabric choker adds that much to the cost. Why the markup?

                                                    As for the Etsy conversations, those are 100% real. I never asked for addresses, shipping numbers, or receipts. Those two sellers gave the tracking numbers freely. I only asked of you'd ordered there before. I'd be happy to prove they're real in any way you see fit.

                                                    Thanks.

                                                    [–]TransparentDrifter 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                    The fact that everyone is eating this up and accepting it goes to show you how you KNOW you have no consequences. What you did is reaaaaaaally fucked up.

                                                    You didn't acknowledge the HUUUUUGE price jumps you made for a profit at all. and towards the end you used some social engineering tactics (shout out to my bois at /r/socialengineering) with the "It shows me you care and I couldn't really ask for more."

                                                    This is a garbage explanation. Maybe I'm just salty about how you have treated your fans for a while, but this really makes me mad.

                                                    [–]kz89 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                    Yeah, agreed. This and her flagging of that other guys video is honestly starting to make me change my mind about her.

                                                    [–]iwasannon 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                    video flagging?

                                                    [–]MonkehPants 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                    Someone made a parody video about Game Grumps, and there was a part in it with some audio from the Mortim3r youtube channel. For some reason Suzy personally flagged it and had it taken down. A lot of people thought it was because she didn't like her portrayal in it, but it seems more likely that ads running on the video were the reason. Whatever the case, it was kinda petty, and she removed the strike and apologized.

                                                    [–]kz89 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    She originally said that it was because of her portrayal in the video (which it didnt portray her in a bad light in the slightest) and then later clarified by saying it was because of the ads. It seems to me like the second reason was just an attempt to cover her ass.

                                                    [–]MonkehPants 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Yeah, that's what's confusing about it. It was just a silly video, not bad in the slightest. I guess it could have been because of Jon having left the show, and maybe some bad blood there? I don't fucking know...

                                                    [–]iwasannon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Is the video up?

                                                    [–]MonkehPants 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Yep! This is the video.

                                                    [–]icer667 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    In all honesty, Suzy seems like a nice person, but I totally agree. She doesn't seem to know how to handle these situations with care.

                                                    [–]A__Hitler 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Credit where credit is due, she apologized. That's more than I expected. However, if she's still trying to pull our chain at this point, that's pretty unforgivable.

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                                                      [–]JebobekAt The Speed of FUCK 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      I would suggest full transparency in your item descriptions moving forward. Like you said, many etsy stuff comes from other etsy stuff. You should only consider lowering your own price if demand drops; that is your call and no one should force your hand on that aspect of the posting.

                                                      [–]jaypo90 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Unfortunately I think for a lot of people it's already too late. Coming clean was the best thing to do - but you had a chance to address it a month ago when it was brought up, and you told a lie instead. You're sorry but mostly it'll look like you're sorry you got caught.

                                                      [–]thegooblop 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      An apology is nice, but just saying "I'm sorry I deceived you, I'll try not to do it again" doesn't make anything better.

                                                      Once someone makes a single big lie, it's impossible to fully trust them ever again. You've lost the trust of many fans, and the fact that you waited until someone else called you out to tell the truth hurts.

                                                      [–]samsim1990 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      You still mislead people by telling them you buy local. Shady business practices will hurt your business. I suggest lowering your prices and offing a refund to those you have deceived.

                                                      [–]TotesMessenger 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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                                                      [–]jimjamming 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      An apology is nice, but thats all it is. How about refunding those you mislead?

                                                      [–]ders89 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Youre stealing integrity and money that other people work hard to earn for half-hearted pieces of jewelry. this half-assed apology doesnt cut it. You should be refunding your buyers the correct amount to what your pieces are actually worth. no more than $20.

                                                      This is why people give you such a hard time. You lie, call the community sexist and steal from them? Everyones got haters, you need to be an adult and look past those people who are so critical of you. Also with being an adult is actually admitting when youre wrong. Not trying to cover your ass.

                                                      [–]MurlockHolmesCaught between a rock and a sword place. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Hey, thanks for apologizing. It was unprofessional, but worse things have happened in business. With a fan base so ready to dig up any bit of shit they can find, anything less than 100% transparency is going to be a bad idea.

                                                      [–]samsim1990 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                      I forgot to add this. People that bought your product can now take you to small claims court. Or if a lot of them get together, they can file a class action lawsuit against you. If that happens and if you didn't set up you business the right way, they can go after your car, home, and possibly the GG brand itself (assuming Arin attached your name to it).

                                                      [–]imrepairmanman 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                      If this is true, that's hilarious

                                                      [–]Dedalus- -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                      Yeah! Isn't it hilarious how a bunch of losers on reddit can ruin someone's life?

                                                      [–]MasterMark 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                      I doubt her life would be ruined by small claims court.

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                                                            [–]FallingGirl 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Basically only sorry that you were caught in a lie. These issues weren't brought up because people care about quality. You lied about where things were purchased, and shamelessly resold on the same platform they were purchased from.

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                                                              [–]isahbellah 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              lol i NEVER really liked suzy at all. when i first got into game grumps (way back in the jon era), i was like "whatever". Then she started to show up, and I thought "well, i guess she'll show up a bit... still, whatever". THEN, she started to show up A LOT and it started to bother me simply because she's not funny at all and her episodes are usually boring as shit.

                                                              I never thought of what she might be like as a person, I just never enjoyed her "comedy" (if there is even one). Knowing that she lies to her fans and overprices stuff that she doesn't even make just makes me pretty much hate her, instead of just "dislike" like I used to.

                                                              I just hope Arin doesn't know about this :S cause if he did know and if he lets her do it, my respect for him will just drop a lot.

                                                              [–]Herb_Budman 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              I agree entirely. I have a personal dislike of her based on the character traits she's shown. That doesn't effect the actual show, what she's like off of it I mean, but it's hard to tollerate someone nearly impossible to like them when they do things like she's done AND they're not funny.

                                                              I don't see Arin condoning her actions, but I bet he knew. I imagine he just ignored it because it was all on her. If Arin really isn't thankful for the fanbase and support, and thinks shit of us, then he wouldn't have any issue with his wife exploiting us to make profit.

                                                              [–]isahbellah 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              If Arin knew, that just makes me sad... I mean, I understand that she's his wife and he loves her a lot. I don't mind that. I'd mind if he actually did know and maybe didn't even try to talk to her about it.

                                                              I know Arin loves us (his fans) too, so I like to think that he wouldn't just turn a blind eye to it and would actually try to find a way for both ends (his wife and his fans) to be happy. I don't know...

                                                              [–]Herb_Budman 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I don't think he'd betray his fans intentionally, he doesn't seem like the type. I find it hard to believe he knew nothing about it, but maybe he's just not the type to "start trouble." Maybe it wasn't an issue he wanted or felt comfortable calling Suzy out on. Relationships are stressful in themselves, so it's sometimes hard to pick what stress and issues to focus on. Some get labeled as more important than others and things can get lost. Even if he did know, and say Suzy didn't listen or whatever or her didn't have an opinion, he couldn't really go "Hey everyone, my wife is screwing you over!" She IS his WIFE and we are a mostly faceless crowed. She's in his bed at night and we're at our computer screens. Priorities.

                                                              [–]BrightBro 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I don't..... why am I supposed to care? I'm here for Dan stories and dick jokes.

                                                              [–]jomb 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              Can someone ELI5 this whole thing to me? To an outsider who isn't into jewelry this seems like a huge breach of privacy towards Suzy but since all the comments that are saying that are getting downvoted to hell there must be something I'm not understanding here. I'm willing to hear you out so please explain it.

                                                              [–]Cloud63 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Reddit user does some research on Suzys Etsy stuff. Finds the same items on other online shops as the things she is selling on her Etsy but way cheaper compared to her prices. Suzy responds that she only buys her parts from local sellers and that's why her prices are so high. Users was able to dig up information which proved Suzys statements wrong. To be continued.

                                                              [–]jomb 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Yeah that does seem pretty scammy, despite the questionable ways that information was gathered. If that's the case I can definitely see why people are upset.

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                                                                [–]FlippantFox 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                To the people defending Suzy's blatantly amoral actions:

                                                                I used to be a fan of Suzy. That was before the countless lies.

                                                                When you are a youtuber, especially one of any significant size, you are much closer to your fans than any other 'famous' person. The smaller size of your fans, paired with the way youtube works, leads your fans to be much more influenced by you, especially the younger ones that are attracted by Suzy and Game Grumps videos. Now, this gives you the responsibility to be a good example of how they should act, or, at the very least, not abuse and scam your audience.

                                                                Suzy has treated her audience like dirt in the past, and I bet she'll do it again. She doesn't care about the people who watch her videos, seeing as she's happy to scam them out of their money, lie numerous times, call them shit, all sorts of good stuff. This would be still amoral, but less so, If this was some random person increasing the prices significantly. But, this is someone who uses her fame to get people to pay their hard-earned cash, on something significantly cheaper than they had to pay. She's advertised her etsy in the past, with the full intention of scamming them out of their money. This is just one of many examples of Suzy treating her audience like shit.

                                                                [–]AmbassadorOfMorning -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                God, reading all of this makes me dislike Suzy so much. What a fucking crook!

                                                                [–]xScubast3vex 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                I will say while it is kinda dirty on her part look at it from a different perspective.

                                                                Nike shoes made in China probably cost around 15-20 dollars to make and sell for triple or quadruple the price but no one really seems to give a shit.

                                                                Again not saying she's in the right for lying about the material but people really dig way too deep into and care WAY too much about the grumps personal lives. The guy who found this out looks a like a scumbag as well.

                                                                [–]elemlo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Your first argument is something among the lines of "other people go into these shady business practices too, so it's okay". Then you debunk your own argument, and then you just throw an Ad hominem at the guy your arguing against?

                                                                [–]SkyIcewindMARK ZUCKERBURG 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                Reads entire thread

                                                                Welp there goes the grumps visiting Reddit for another year.

                                                                [–]2joker1 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                So what? Its like every other celebrity sub. Do you think the Angelina jolie sub does everything in its power, including but not limited to ignoring shady shit, just so they can get her to say hi now and then?

                                                                [–]SkyIcewindMARK ZUCKERBURG 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                The Angelina Jolie sub

                                                                ...Excuse me WHAT?

                                                                That exists?

                                                                [–]2joker1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                I was really just using it as a for instance.

                                                                But yes. Yes there is. /r/angelinajolie

                                                                [–]Reggie-afast and WAY TOO FAST 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                goddammit

                                                                [–]graumail 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                all i know is the stuff looked cool and we know she went to taxidermy school.

                                                                Social media is rough though, with stuff decided quickly in the court of public opinion.

                                                                I do give mad props to the dude for trying to talk to her first before posting this.

                                                                [–]Boltizar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                1. If you're wondering what the contents of the vial are, contact somebody who bought the item and find out.

                                                                2. This only proves she bought parts of the item she was selling from that store.

                                                                3. This also refers to #1, but assembly is what defines something as handmade. In the example in #1, the other seller is selling a vial whereas Suzy is selling a necklace. In example #3, the other seller is selling a pendant whereas Suzy is, again, selling a necklace. Whether or not this makes the item "worth it" is debatable, but they do match the definition of "handmade."

                                                                4. This could be another situation like in #2. If you don't have a real example yet, don't add this to the list.

                                                                5. Just because she buys from a place doesn't mean she buys from one place.

                                                                If people don't want to seem like they're trying to jump on Suzy's throat at any opportunity, they should probably stop trying to jump on Suzy's throat at any opportunity.

                                                                [–]Gray_Sloth -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                Really? People are mad over an etsy page? I like a good scandal as much as the next guy but this is pretty weak sauce. Don't tell me, it's really about ethics in insect taxidermy? How many people here really have a vested interested in insect taxidermy and assorted chachkies, and who is just trying to stir up stupid bullshit?

                                                                Also calling the Suzy's holy water thing just tap water? I loled, like any holy water is actually real.

                                                                [–]morroccFUCK IT -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                Remember when the Grumps would visit this sub and interact with their fans?

                                                                Because that's not happening ever again.

                                                                [–]PatriotsFTW 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Well sorry for some criticism, I'm sorry that everyone can't constantly kiss their ass.

                                                                [–]virtualRefrain -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                Dude, what the fuck. "Order confirmation"? "Hope she's okay"?

                                                                Holy shit this is insanely fucked up. Suzy should press charges, OP needs to be under supervision. I can't believe anyone thought this level of fraud and harrassment was justified, regardlesss of the goal. That is super creepy and really not okay. The guy who did this is imbalanced.

                                                                It's super weird that people are encouraging this, it's disgusting. It gives me the fucking creeps.

                                                                [–]ButtStuffMan 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                These other sellers should definitely not be posting emails between them and other customers. Suzy has every right to that form of privacy and they are breaching it. Yukong Wang even posted the tracking number, wowzies. They are not business people though. They don't even care to confirm if these inquiries are coming from Suzy or not.

                                                                [–]virtualRefrain 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                Not sticking up for the shitty business people or anything, but it seems OP lied about his association with Suzy in order to get her personal information. The sellers aren't blameless, but the "detective" here is clearly the one accountable for this.

                                                                I probably wouldn't do business with those sellers again, but I would only get the police involved with the OP.

                                                                [–]ButtStuffMan 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Everybody should reasonably expect that their online orders, from anywhere, should stay private. Tracking numbers, purchased items, and personal emails between seller and buyer should be private. I agree with you about OP possibly lying. Two things could have happened here: these sellers are incompetent with privacy, or they are easily tricked and these guys mislead them into believing they are affiliated with Suzy or are Suzy.

                                                                [–]mardfet[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Hey I just found the post in another sub and posted it here. Wasn't me doin all this.

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                                                                  [–]Iron_EvanJam it up your pee hole! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  I used to love being in this sub, but in the past few months I've come to avoid it. Everything is drama here, and the smallest wrong gets everyone (even non-Grumps fans who seem to live only to complain about it) up in arms.

                                                                  I mean, this is pretty sketch, but it's not like she's been embezzling or something. And the fact that two people allegedly collaborated on an investigation into something like this is sad, bordering on pathetic.

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