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Suzy's Etsy Exposé: Jewelry, Part 3Oh dear (self.VentGrumps)

sirjaimesJon Era が 投稿

Brace yourselves. This one's a doozy.

Last month, Suzy responded to /u/CoolpantsMacCool's brilliant piece proving her jewelry was not unique or handmade. She responded here denying his claims. Over the past few weeks, /u/CoolpantsMacCool and I have done deeper research and proved that Suzy has been lying the whole time.

I contacted a few retailers who sell items featured in Suzy's store. Five on Etsy, one with a website.

Five of the six I contacted confirmed selling her their goods.

Two included shipping numbers, and one shipment dated prior to her claim "I have never found crystals or any of my specimens at that price before." None are "local". Two are based in China.

Pictured below are screenshots of the Etsy seller's confirmation, an item used in Suzy's piece, and Suzy's final piece:

  1. MakeDesertGreen - based in Acton, Massachusetts

    MakeDesertGreen's Cross Decorated Perfume Vial - $2.99

    Suzy's Holy water vial choker necklace! - $80

    I'd wager a jillion dollars that the liquid in Suzy's vial is tap water.

  2. Siberoom - based in Shenyang, China

    Siberoom 1, Siberoom 2, Siberoom 3, Siberoom 4

    Suzy 1, Suzy 2, Suzy 3, Suzy 4.

    Additionally, /u/CoolpantsMacCool found an professional artist/taxidermist, Josh Hydler, whose pieces seem somewhat familiar. I tweeted Suzy asking about the similarity. It seems possible, but I have my doubts. The similarities are too obvious, and looking at their first reviews on Etsy of that style, Hydler's first was April 25, 2014, while Suzy's was October 16, 2014.

    Note: Siberoom sells the filigrees in either packs of 4 or 8.

  3. Efordiy - based in Hong Kong, China

    Suzy's Serpent and Amethyst necklace! - $80

    Efordiy's Natural Amethyst Point With Snake - $6.99 for TWO

  4. SmartParts - based in Texas

    I didn't look for any of Suzy's pieces in their store. They have 8000 items, and I don't have the time. Teri seems nice, though.

  5. Insect-sale.com - based in Taiwan

    This one is taxidermy-related and not on Etsy.

    In two of Suzy's videos, she says her bugs are "flown in from all over the world". This is mostly a lie. The bugs may be native to places from all over the world, but she buys them from one place, Taiwan.

    Check my taxidermy breakdown for insect-sale.com's price examples.

Please feel free to point out any mistakes or ask questions. I'd be happy to reply.

Maybe Suzy would too, if enough people ask.

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[–]retrogamingmetalhead [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

To the exposé, to the exposé! Everybody gay to the exposé!

Seriously though, it'll be funny to see how this all plays out. Can't wait to see what kind of excuse Suzy could have for this. Hopefully she'll just come clean and apologize.

[–]pumpkinbot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just because you sing it doesn't make it right!

But yep, this is...kind of a big deal. Suzy's quickly wearing on me. On Grumps, she's fine. I don't think she's boring or unfunny like a lot of other people do. She's a good foil for the other guys' insanity. And her Mortimer channel I don't care either way for. As a 21 year old guy, I'm not the demographic.

But off-camera? She seems to be doing some really shady shit. Protecting the Game Dev Who Shall Not Be Named, and now lying about illegally reselling jewelry for many times it's price.

[–]Lord_Parbr [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Well, for the choker and amethyst necklace, she clearly just bought those pieces and put them on a choker/chain, then charged about $70 more than it cost to make them. That's just wrong and dishonest to not disclose that information. As for the 3, I don't really see what the problem is. She bought some decorative prieces and use them for their intended purpose.

[–]jinglesbobingles [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I think for the other 3 it's mainly to prove the point about not buying from "local sellers" which would be supporting people like herself, and instead getting them shipped form China. Also further proof she did in fact know she could get things that much cheaper when she was feigning ignorance.

[–]sirjaimesJon Era[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that's what I was going for. #2 got a little muddled.

It was the similarity to Hydler's pieces, the insect-sale.com thing, and the sheer number of them she's made combined with the Chinese parts that made me add them to the post.

[–]VanillaC0ne [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'd like to see her excuse for this.

[–]SuperCho [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We'll probably be called sexist pigs or something.

[–]Veneficus_BombulumJon-Dan Era, 2013 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I think they removed the thread from the Game Grumps subreddit. It's still accessible from the direct link and from my history, but I can't find it anywhere on the hot, top, new, or even controversial tabs.

EDIT: It's back up, a mod said it was removed temporarily. Something related to the title.

[–]Wgzom [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it was there a few minutes ago but now I can't find it on the Game Grumps subreddit. It was one of the first results originally.

[–]EED_APAP [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah I think it's gone. I searched for it, checked over the list of new posts to the sub, checked a bunch of pages back on the front page... Nothing.

... now what?

[–]5horts [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes they definitely did, it was at the top and is completely gone. Pity, the drama was going to be... delicious.

Probably smarter they removed it, actually. Just not as fun.

[–]revoopy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well this isn't really gamegrumps related. I'd personally rather not read more Suzy drama. I like the positive side of the subreddit.

[–]samsim1990 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Main sub nazi mods are at it again. The grumps pay them to censor posts.

[–]ItsHawTawPropEm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Could you be more paranoid?

[–]BrineDudeGamingJon Era [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

This is gold!

Definitive proof of Suzy being straight up dishonest.

[–]Smithrope [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

How is that gold tho? It's not like it's about anything important. It's jewelry.

[–]Bill_H_Cosby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

CASH4GOLD

[–]spinningfaith [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I think from OP's pov and people who agree, this is about Suzy's deception being proven and exposed. Price of being a celebrity

[–]H4Kek [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You know, I would probably do the same thing if I was her.

[–]Smithrope [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

yeah, but about jewelry. if you asked my mom whether her jewelry was real or fake, she would say real no matter what. It's not the price of being a celebrity; it's embarrassing to have something that's "fake"

[–]spinningfaith [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Meh, people will do anything to damage someone's rep, some find it fun, others take it seriously. Me? I just watch GG, laugh and have a good time reading conspiracies just cause, lol

[–]TotesMessenger [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

This thread has been linked to from another place on reddit.

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[–]ajswJon Era [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Uh oh.

[–]BanjoKazooieManiacJacques Era[M] [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

WHICH ONE OF YOU FUCKS DIDN'T READ RULE NUMBER ONE

[–]Spielmeister456 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

goddammit /u/mardfet

[–]mardfet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hey I just found the post I didn't research it myself.

[–]ThisZoMBieJon Era [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

So what lol, we're just supposed to seclude ourselves from the rest of the fanbase completely?

I mean /r/GameGrumps is not called /r/PositiveGrumps. It's for all things GG related right?

[–]BanjoKazooieManiacJacques Era [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Of course it is, and as mod I'm not going to stop the OP from making his post on the mainsub. /u/GameGrumpGate, wherever he went, wanted moderation to be a 'hands-off' approach when it came to enforcing rules. No one's gonna get 'punished' for this, do what you will, and though this topic is reasonable enough, I just don't want people to crosspost from ventgrumps to gamegrumps crazily just to get a rise out of them.

[–]Grandy12 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Out of pure curiosity that will in now way backfire later, exactly what do we hypothethically need to do to get you to punish someone?

Hypothethically.

[–]ECHTECHTAll of Game Grumps (To an extent)[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

'SUP BITCHES?! MOTHERFUCKING POLICE BUSTIN' DOWN YOUR DOORS!!

Edit: Sorry....

[–]whiteonyx981Jon Era [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh shit, BKM is pissed.

[–]ItsHawTawPropEm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I like how you're blowing your stack about this and not about the invasion of Suzy's privacy, which goes FAR outside this sub's intended purpose of venting about the show.

[–]BrineDudeGamingJon Era [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's a fight to make this known! People upvoting and downvoting like mad!

[–]EED_APAP [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I always suspected she was getting at least the insect boxes from China. Like this one: https://www.etsy.com/listing/209300731/beautiful-jewel-beetle-display-must-see?ref=shop_home_active_3

The frame has some minor scratches on it- that's just the way it was when I got it from the manufacturer! What you see is exactly what you get!

Unless the boxes are classic antiques or something, there is absolutely no excuse to sell someone a 'brand new handmade' product that is damaged. Either she didn't bother to inspect them when she supposedly bought them at a store (in person, at a local store, of course), or she just bought them online from China.

Sorry. This just makes me really mad. I know that we've known she's selling low quality junk for a while. I just wanted to get this out of my system and I figured finally now would be relevant. It's just that, even if she makes up some excuse for lying to us last time, there's still no excuse for selling people damaged products and saying "what you see is what you get!" Either you actually buy your supplies in person or you buy them from a reputable seller online. She shouldn't get away with selling defective goods for so much. Especially when it's a display case which has the sole purpose of being looked at.

[–]sirjaimesJon Era[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I actually looked into a similar one of those a while ago

The exact frame is $10, and the beetle is about $3 on the insect-sale.com, which I've shown she uses.

I could never figure out what the gold thing is called, though.

[–]LintOnYourPizza [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wonder if Arin knows, or cares.

[–]SaebraK [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

In the jewelry world what Siberoom sells are called Findings, they're what everyone uses. Everyone from walmart to hobby lobby to michaels sells them.

So while calling her out on some of these things is okay, I don't agree with #2. She's using them in her crafts as she sees fit, it's what they're for.

[–]jinglesbobingles [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah it's not as relevant as it's just decoration, but I think it's more to do with the fact they are based in China, when she claimed to be unaware of cheaper alternatives from China when originally accused of sourcing cheap parts, and claimed she only sourced locally hence the high price justification.

[–]TheEvilKingStan [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

This is an honest question I have: I understand the reason for blocking out your own username and all but that makes it seem fishy to me. Would you mind it if I also contacted these people linking to the images of your messages and maybe this post to confirm?

[–]EED_APAP [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I have a feeling the sellers are going to get aggravated and outright just stop responding to people at some point. I'm sure other people have started contacting them too. You can try though

[–]sirjaimesJon Era[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

True dat.

If there's still doubt later on, I could just get a video capture of the Etsy conversations or something.

Whatever the people need.

[–]sirjaimesJon Era[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah, go for it.

[–]TheEvilKingStan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Awesome, thank you.

[–]DukeofSlackers [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When I read the title all I heard was Jon say "TO THE X-PO-SE"

[–]myfaceislikewhoa [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Been waiting for one of these so I could have a mini rant about something somewhat relevant without making a text post: Some of her amethyst and quartz minerals she sells for unbelievable markup (smokey quartz isn't rare.. why're you acting like it's worth something. It's tainted Si2O..) will have a description like "______ mineral cleans the soul !" or some bullshit like that.. I'll post an example: https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/221803433/crystal-quartz-and-amethyst-rosary?ref=shop_home_active_1&ga_search_query=quartz

Seriously, read this shit. It's some madam cleo type of pseudoscience. "Amethyst is a powerful and protective stone. It guards against psychic attack, transmuting the energy into love and protecting the wearer from all types of harm, including geopathic or electromagnetic stress and ill wishes from others. Amethyst is a natural tranquiliser, it relieves stress and strain, soothes irritability, balances mood swings, dispels anger, rage, fear and anxiety. Alleviates sadness and grief, and dissolves negativity. Amethyst activates spiritual awareness, opens intuition and enhances psychic abilities."

What the fuck?????? natural tranquilizer???? electromagnetic stress???? TRANSMUTING???? I am so livid ! This chick shits on the religious on her depression awareness vid then goes and spouts this nonsense??? It's a mineral for godsakes. This is on par with homeopathic healers who bullshit customers into buying something that does literally nothing. How can she talk shit about some mormon family on an episode because they have a lot of kids and are religious but then try to sell me off a mineral with trace amounts of metals in it so it can "dissipate my irritability" or some other bologne????????

I'm not saying my vent adds to any of her dishonesty or anything like that. I'm just annoyed at the hypocrisy and so called "I believe in science" image GG puts up when they talk about ANYTHING and then this crap is in some dark corner for some poor schmuck to eat up and spend hundreds on a COMMON MINERAL. Literally the equivalent of me selling you a chunk of ice except my product HAS SOME ACTUAL PRACTICAL HEALTH APPLICATION.

PS are you seriously selling an Abrahamic religious instrument and then sticking your own magical twist on it?? I know people might not care about respecting religions because it's not much of a priority to people, and that's fine. But I personally don't appreciate it. It's like making profit off of bastardizing a culture. Like selling an Aboriginal headdress because it'll "protect you from ill intentions of others" when that's not the ceremonial or general application of it in the Aboriginal culture. I really dislike this.

[–]ItsHawTawPropEm [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's probably worth noting that none of those descriptions were written by Suzy. Google them. They're copied and pasted from other gem-related sites. Seems like a bunch of seemingly unrelated sites use the exact same descriptions, like they're just passed around the community or whatever.

[–]lady_mortis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

i like giving people the benefit of the doubt and would rather say 'alot of people do it, who cares' but it kind of adds to the original argument. She probably copy/pastes it because she doesnt really know or care what that stones actual use is.

any crafter working with crystals should already know that crystals property, ESPECIALLY if youre planning on using that as the main selling point. maybe its just the snobby witch coming out in me, but her lack of legitimate knowledge of her product bugs me.

[–]myfaceislikewhoa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

huh. Thanks for letting me know !

[–]lady_mortis [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

this has actually bugged me for a while, and im glad someone else noticed it. ive been way too lazy to post about it.

im a pagan, and i actually believe in the properties of crystals, etc. (we wont get into whether or not ya'll agree) and what bothers me is how she sells crystals, listing their uses, and sells other "spirit" sort of things, displays oujia boards, etc. yet claims to be 100% atheist and doesn't believe in any of it. shes basically taking spiritual beliefs of others and capitalizing off of it even though she has admitted to believing NONE of it. its all for aesthetic.

ive even defended her for her pricing because that doesnt bug me since im a crafter blahblahblah etc. but this exact thing has bothered me for a WHILE.

[–]myfaceislikewhoa [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Absolutely. It's just bastardization to me. While she hasn't used any symbols or tools from my religion to profit off of, it's upsetting to see her use other's that she doesn't subscribe to just for the "look" or "fashion" of it. I know if someone used my religious or ceremonial symbols to profit off of while mocking the religious in a video, I'd be seriously upset and alienated by it.

I apologize if my first comment was insulting or rude to your beliefs, that wasn't my intention at all and I'm actually pretty ignorant about Pagan beliefs and practices, so this experience has prompted me to look into it more :)

[–]lady_mortis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Naw dude, i'm pretty chill when it comes to other peoples opinions of my beliefs. Everyone's different, and its really understandable to dismiss beliefs you haven't experienced. Which is why i never had an issue with her video at first (even if she did seem kinda insensitive ~). The reason i was offended by her actions is because she made a big deal about not believing in any of it (all the grumps do) and then went on to try and make money off of it. Part of me doesnt want to blame her, because the whole "witch bitch" image has become sort of a fad, and shes just jumping on it. It's still kind of bothersome to me. Maybe she's found new beliefs since then? I'd like to hope, rather than her just selling things she doesn't even believe in lol. this seems like a minor issue, but one id actually like to see her address since i CANT be the only witchy person who is a fan of Suzy's.

[–]housemastr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can't knock the hustle...

[–]talyorz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What email did you send to the businesses? SmartPants' email said "I hope she's ok", that seems sketchy dude... BTW, I'm still glad you guys did this, just curious.

[–]fpsrussia117 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

One thing I want to say here: People are saying this is creepy...may I ask how? This has NOTHING to do with her personal information(not revealing personal info, not acting on it, not sexualizing her etc), all this is is disproving a claim she made. Which the internet has gone to MUCH deeper lengths to do.

Now I want to know your thoughts are on people who say "big deal, she lied, you guys are taking this out of proportion". I have a few thoughts myself, just don't know how to phrase them right now.

[–]Stickshop [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The obsessive behavior to prove Suzy's dishonesty is good enough for me to call it creepy.

[–]samsim1990 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It aint our fault she acted weird about it. She brought this on herself.

[–]ItsHawTawPropEm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

One thing I want to say here: People are saying this is creepy...may I ask how?

It's basically stalking. Going behind her, contacting this dealer and that dealer, asking if she's had business with them and, if so, when and how... That's pretty fucking creepy. That's some guy on the Internet thinking he has the right to play amateur detective because he doesn't like an e-celebrity.

[–]lady_mortis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The similarity to Hydler's pieces doesn't bother me so much, there are enough differences that she didnt directly rip him off; also there are alot of artists who display their bugs/taxidermy like that. its not unique to either of them. but her saying she's been making them longer is just incorrect.

[–]Zero_Heart [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

How did you get that information from them? I find it kinda strange that they gave it to you that easy and the fact that one of them said they hope she is okay makes me kinda uneasy on what you might have said. It is extremely scummy of her and some apology should be made either way.

[–]sirjaimesJon Era[S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yeah the "hope she is okay" part confused me, too. I never suggested in any way that something was wrong with Suzy.

My question for them really just boiled down to "Did Suzy Berhow/PsychicCircle/Mortem3r buy X item here?".

[–]Cheerwines [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

i want my merchants to take my orders to their grave, dammit.

[–]ItsHawTawPropEm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Show us the emails.

[–]BrineDudeGamingJon Era [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I posted this on /r/ConspiracyGrumps. It was a heavy topic...

Hope you don't mind.

[–]BrineDudeGamingJon Era [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT, AND YOU WILL WIN AT LEAST ONE BATTLE!

[–]iamthatguy54 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with Game Grumps that warrants it being on here, since Suzy does not tie the Grumps brand to her jewelry business. Are we allowed to discuss the bookkeeping of George RR Martin's personal theater on the Game of Thrones subreddit?

[–]ItsHawTawPropEm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Difference is that the Game of Thrones subreddit presumably gives a damn about maintaining a productive, respectful community through moderation.

Here, the rules basically only exist to give the mods a thin veneer of plausible deniability when shit goes down. "Hey, we don't condone this. It's in the rules. Sure, we're not going to delete the thread, punish the user, or do anything at all to discourage this kind of behavior in the future, but, uh... It's in the rules."

[–]Noctoz0 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What's the original text you sent to all these people ?

[–]_charlemagne_ [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

You aren't even figuring in labor, shipping, time, extra materials that she didn't buy from the places you contacted. Not only that, but the two taxidermy pieces you showed are literally different species of butterfly...I don't know what you were trying to prove with that one, the frames don't even look similar, and multiple people are allowed to practice taxidermy. You use speculation for the inside of the vial, didn't even bother researching the fabric that she used to make the necklace, all you did was see how much the vial cost. For the amethyst and snake necklace, you seemed to have forgotten it was a necklace and only checked the price of the jewel, again.

Look, I understand that people being ripped off is not good, but you are overblowing this situation and this vigilante shit isn't helping anyone, it isn't going to make anyone's life better, in fact, you seem to be only doing this to shame her and expose her and make her life worse. She's doing something she loves doing, she's clearly happy doing it, yes it might be expensive, but no one is saying you have to buy it, no one who has bought it is complaining and doing research saying man I paid way more than I should have with this. They buy it, it makes them happy, it makes Suzy happy. I honestly don't see why you have to turn this into a "Suzy is a villain" situation. It isn't your life, you aren't changing the world, you aren't going to shame her into shutting down her store, and even if you do good for you, you destroyed someone's passion. Then you can finally feel proud of yourself.

[–]MaseycakesJon Era [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm honestly with you on most of this, and I'm not really a big fan of Suzy. I don't like the content when she's on the channel. But really, she is at fault for lying. "I have never found crystals or any of my specimens at that price before - so thank you! I actually go to local shops and buy my specimens in person - so that I can make sure to get the best ones and to also support small businesses in my home town!"

It basically can be boiled down to this quote:

[–]jinglesbobingles [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Suzy has a lot of fans, she may be considered a role model by some. So with that I can see how it's inappropriate and morally wrong to use her influence to sell horribly overpriced items and knowingly lie about their origins. It also gives a bad game to other etsy sellers. Also the "fabric to make the necklace" you mentioned? Most likely the fabric to make the necklace cost pennies at best, and was not made by her personally, so I'm not sure how that is relevant, it only reaffirms OP's point. There is no justification for a price hike that huge.

You seem quite upset and passionate about this so I am just trying to give some explanation where people are coming from. You can do what makes you happy but you shouldn't rip off people just because you can.

[–]_charlemagne_ [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I will admit that I like Suzy and am a fan, but even if I wasn't, I would still be outraged. It's not even about whether she's a role model or not, this honestly only can lead to hurt. Nothing positive can come out of this, yes fine, he emailed some places and found out that she ordered from them in the past, he didn't track every order she made. She very well could have bought those pieces from local stores. Not all of them, but some. I'm just saying she deserves the benefit of the doubt sometimes. Lying is wrong sure, but with only partial proof, you can only prove certain things might not be true. Either way, yes lying is wrong, but this solves nothing and seems to only have the intention of harm.

[–]FlippantFoxJon Era, 2012 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It has the intention of bringing this to light and maybe, just maybe, having Suzy be honest and forthcoming with her fans. For a very long time I considered myself a fan of Suzy, perhaps even moreso than the Game Grumps, but at this point, it's impossible to feel that way when I know she is taking advantage of and lying to the people who look up to her and idolize her. I'm sick of Suzy fucking lying.

[–]jinglesbobingles [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I think you should try remember Suzy has bought a lot of this on herself, she has a knee jerk reaction to any criticism or negative opinion of her and if she can explain away all of the dodgy stuff people have found? Great! Will she? Probably not.

It could also be argued that preventing people from wasting their money on something they think is antique, or vintage, and not actually tat from china is a good thing. I'd be annoyed if this was any seller, but it's even worse that it's a seller with an internet presence and influence.

[–]_charlemagne_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well, going back to that post from before, she did try to explain herself, which only led to more snooping and accusing. In fact, the snooping continued because no matter what her explanation was, these people probably weren't going to believe her. If I were her, I'd feel like, "why should I try to explain myself? People are just going to assume I'm lying?"

It's hard to look past some of these things, true, but she did give you guys an explanation, and it wasn't defensive in the slightest, she didn't get mad that she was accused of ripping people off, you could tell from the tone of her posts she wasn't angry, or trying to blow this off, or blow up like she has in the past, she was honestly trying to clear up confusion. The fact that these people chose to continue digging is on them, not her.

[–]myfaceislikewhoa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No.. because people genuinely thought her explanation wasn't sufficient, and thought so because of how much evidence they found on their own of her explanation being possibly untrue. You can write people's genuine feelings of doubt as "hating" or "assuming" or "snooping" but it isn't fair to those people who seriously saw her products and saw other mass produced ones for a fraction of the cost, and thought, "Hmm, these two look identical." And the fact that you assumed OP had only bad intentions and wanted to cause harm to Suzy is unfair as well. Like I said in my other reply to you, this post seemed more like a warning to potential buyers about the price markup and possible dishonesty than any malicious flame war. Personally, I appreciate the warning, as I would appreciate any warning of any questionable business.

[–]myfaceislikewhoa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

To be honest I may have bought her stuff without knowing this info. And I would have really regretted it after finding all of this out. I know it's all just my word and for all you know I might be lying, but I know that I'm telling the truth, and I know that I really appreciate it when people research for me and other possible buyers and save us from making a mistake we may regret at our monetary expense.

Calling someone despicable for researching a business seems like you only had the intention to harm as well. OP never name called her or made any nasty remarks, and was pretty cordial, so I'm not seeing how your reaction is rational.

Some people on etsy design from paper to product with their own hands and brains and make peanuts compared to suzy because they don't have "fans". It's compromising to businesses IMO.

[–]Peaceoutpumpkin66 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You need more upvotes for this.

[–]Poyoarya [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Man, oh man. I really wanted to like Suzy. I well and truly did. I watched all of her episodes of Grumpcade and Steam Train in an effort to get her personality to grow on me.

But this...

I really don't know how to react.

[–]SurprisedSquee [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

How did you get the sellers to tell you all this?

[–]ItsHawTawPropEm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The question of the hour, for sure. I can't imagine sellers giving out this kind of information for no reason. The fact that the OP hasn't shown his side of the conversation is a big red flag.

[–]DerpinPony [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I agree the cost of the necklace was way over, however, I am confused as to why this is such a massive deal? Lots of etsy sellers buy stock from other etsy sellers to incorporate into their designs and then turn around and make a profit on it. Is this simply because it is Suzy or am I missing information?

[–]NUDEandCONFUSED [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because of her lying about it and insane prices

[–]g-dragon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

imo this is kind of weird and creepy. I mean I might feel more sympathetic if you bought something from her and then learned later that you were ripped off. but this crusade to prove that she lied feels like it comes from more of a... less justifiable reason. kind of like you don't like her and want more people on your side.

over pricing jewelry isn't really a crime. I don't agree with it and that's why I won't buy from her. there are tons of stores in the world that sell overpriced or lesser quality goods. you don't like, crusade for justice against those people too, do you?

like you ever see those kiosks in the mall selling all sorts of cheap, overpriced bullshit? you don't stand there yelling at passerbys with your proof that the seller isn't being morally right, do you? see how this sort of thing seems weird...

[–]berithpy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Dude, find a different hobby other than hating on suzy, you sure wasted a bunch of time "researching" her, this is borderline stalking, how can people be so cool about giving you information on when she bought these items?

[–]doctorpotatohead [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Art is usually worth more than the sum of its materials. Also, things from China and Taiwan are usually really cheap, I wouldn't expect a Etsy user based in California to charge the same as a company in China or Taiwan, especially if she buys her materials from local California shops like she says.

Side note, what did you say to those vendors and why would they give you shipping details for another person? That is some creepy stuff right there.

[–]sirjaimesJon Era[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah I do think it's weird. I never asked for anything like that. I'd have censored those links if they gave anything more than a zip code. I basically just asked "Did she buy X here?"

At the very least, this post calls her integrity into question, since we've shown she lied about buying local items and insects.

[–]ItsHawTawPropEm [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

From the sidebar:

Criticism a Grump's appearance or private lives beyond the realm of the show are not appropriate for /r/VentGrumps.

[–]samsim1990 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Void argument, since the information is publicly available. Suzy is going down.

[–]PMmeyournavel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you for doing this research, there shouldn't be any doubt in anyone's mind now that Suzy has been lying to her fanbase. Unless this evidence is somehow misogynist.

[–]samsim1990 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Wow, looks like she just dug her own grave. Does this call for a witch hunt?

[–]ItsHawTawPropEm [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

A witch hunt, by definition, is irrational and unnecessary. Nothing calls for a witch hunt.

[–]samsim1990 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh, we're pretty damn near witch hunt. That all depends on how she responds to the accusations.

[–]important_yogurt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Look at all these judges and detectives...

[–]Chewtasticy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Why does this even matter? Who gives a shit if she does or doesn't make hand made stuff she sells on random sites. What does even have to do with Game Grumps a gaming channel? Why do guys go out of your way to constantly try to berate her and a business she trying to do? What outcome are you trying to get" OMG you found me out I don't make handmade stuff so I can make a living and also support my husband in his YouTube channel, you guys mus be seriously proud of your selves!!".

She's just a person trying to live her life, stop making it harder for her.