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Rant/VentingMarriage: Red Pill on Hamster Mode. (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]BetaRecovery 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (27子コメント)

How old are you? This post seem like it's written by a person no older than 25.

Contrary to popular belief, there are some viable RP women out there that would make suitable long term mates. And it would be a shame for a viable RP man not to appreciate such a woman and not establish himself as a patriarch.

Hire a surrogate mother? Seriously? Single parent home? Is that what you want for your child?

It seems like you'd like to further the degradation of society by mishandling our stewardship of the next generation.

It also appears that you fail to appreciate that different men have different goals, desires, etc.

I say let those who want to marry, marry. And let the plate spinners do their thing. MGTOW? Why the hell not?

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (25子コメント)

there are some viable RP women out there that would make suitable long term mates

Most women are not born with a Red Pill mentality. The ones who are are typically ones raised in stable families by benevolent patriarchs. And feminism is making that kind of family rarer and rarer.

In most cases, you have to take a woman with submissive tendencies and train her yourself.

Hire a surrogate mother? Seriously? Single parent home? Is that what you want for your child?

Read more carefully. /u/Whisper is talking about protecting yourself from women, who are enabled by western laws to seize advantage of your inability to leave a marriage without damaging yourself.

There are precious few ways that a man can have children without rendering himself beholden to a woman.

It seems like you'd like to further the degradation of society by mishandling our stewardship of the next generation.

Feminists are doing a fine job of that already.

Even if all 101,000 members of this community "did their part to save society", it would be nothing in comparison to the millions of people sucking our federal coffers dry through entitlement programs.

It's not our responsibility to clean up this mess. And even if it were, we couldn't do it. The gangrene is too far advanced. Our only recourse is to be on the right side of the incision when the limb is finally hacked off.

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most women are not born with a Red Pill mentality. The ones who are are typically ones raised in stable families by benevolent patriarchs. And feminism is making that kind of family rarer and rarer.

And most of those women are married off young. If their family is stable and moral enough to raise a woman with a Red Pill mentality, then they will not tolerate or support her riding the Cock Carousel and being a cum rag for 15 years. They will shame her into marrying a good, stable man, and she'll be off the market pretty quickly.

[–]mrp3anut 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But men can get married to these young tarts even when they are 80 right? Seems every guy here believes he is going to be the next Hugh Hefner banging playmates till he has a heart attack.

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    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    To deny your individual responsibility by claiming that society is too far gone is just plain juvenile.

    Noble sentiments like "making the world a better place" sound good on paper, but they're ultimately useless because they always fail to address the bigger question of how to incentivize people to act in a way that also benefits society.

    For a long time, marriage was set up to do just that.

    • All men got access to pussy and could focus their efforts on being productive (instead of fighting each other).
    • Women enjoyed the benefit of secure and certain provisioning.
    • Children could be born into an unbroken household.

    If you're as old as you say, then you know that responsibility and power go hand-in-hand. You can't be responsible for something if you don't have the power to affect the outcome.

    The government stripped men of the power to fix society long ago by doing two things:

    1. Removing all of the safe-guards against female infidelity (stringent divorce pre-requisites, at-fault divorce, etc) and replacing them with incentives to act hypergamously (no fault divorce, non-adjustable alimony, child support, etc).
    2. Removing all of the tangible benefits for getting married, and for heading stable nuclear families.

    Men have no long have an incentive to get married. That's why they're not doing it. You can't force people to act against their own self-interest.

    Perceived incentive lies at the heart of everything people do.

    Vis-à-vis:

    So who will be the patriarchs that will bring forth the next round of RP women?

    I'm a patriarch right now, for my own benefit and for the benefit of the people who please me enough to inspire my protective instinct.

    And why have children in the first place if not for the purpose of bettering our society?

    If you're so hell-bent on helping society, why not join the organ donor registry and then slam your car into a wall? Someone out there will certainly benefit from your innards.

    Or are you perhaps worried about what's in it for you?

    [–]BetaRecovery -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (17子コメント)

    Well said Mr Puppet. But I think you're missing the point. I'm not telling you that you should go out and get married, because you obviously see no value in it.

    The point I'm trying to make is that different people value different things depending on their age, culture etc. I'm don't hate on the ones whose values are different from yours.

    And don't kid yourself. You're no patriarch. You need children for that. So GTFO with that bullshit.

    On to other things, I can instantly tell certain things about you based on your views. Either you are under 25, you come from an unstable home or both. Please correct me if I'm wrong about these things.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    The point I'm trying to make is that different people value different things depending on their age, culture etc. I'm don't hate on the ones whose values are different from yours.

    Marriage is bad for you no matter what your personal values are.

    A judge isn't going to reduce your child support payments or adjust your alimony just because he read a heart-warming statement you wrote extolling the virtues of the nuclear family and protecting society.

    We advise against getting married in order to protect men and whatever other values they may have.

    Here, try this: give us a list of tangible benefits that marriage gives to a man which he cannot already get as an attractive, fit, unmarried bachelor.

    And no subjective horseshit about "differing values".

    [–]scumbag_mcgee -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Marriage is bad for you no matter what your personal values are.

    This is true, no one denies this. However, the point is that if a person understands the risks and possible harms from it but his cost-benefit analysis still tells him it's worth it, then there is no reason he shouldn't proceed so long as he has enough information to make an informed decision. Maybe his desire to have some children in wedlock is greater than his fear of losing $200k. As long as he understands the risks, what's the problem?

    Alcohol is bad, men still drink it.

    Bacon is supposed to be deadly according to the medical establishment, men still eat it.

    War is deadly, men still volunteer.

    Flying to the moon was insanely risky and dangerous, men still did it.

    Sailing around the world in the 16th century was practically suicide, men still did it.

    Taking testosterone can increase the risk of heart attacks, blood clots, strokes and prostate cancer but a bunch of men still do it (especially here on TRP).

    We're men. We take risks. So long as we understand the consequences and are not making blind decisions, then what's the problem?

    benefits that marriage gives to a man which he cannot already get as an attractive, fit, unmarried bachelor

    For how long? Until you're 40? 50? 60? We aren't immortal. You might feel this way in your 20s and 30s but eventually that might change. Let's not make the same mistakes that the dumb 20-something yr. old broads are making, thinking they're going to be hot and sexy forever. Men hit the wall too (not as hard, but still, no sexy bitch wants old flabby dude unless he's filthy rich).

    [–]__ZEAL__ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's a hell of a lot harder to become filthy rich supporting a wife and kids. And you don't need to be filthy rich... You just need some money and not turn into a neutered man in your 60's. My old boss and my grandpa both did it into their 70's, my grandpa wasn't even rich. Neither were physically attractive. It's entirely possible for those who understand how to do it.

    [–]justtookit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    You're contradicting yourself.

    You said it's true that marriage is bad for you no matter what your personal values are.

    If you concluded that marriage is bad, then you've already agreed that the costs outweigh the benefits.

    Then you go on to list a bunch of situations where men take on risk because there is sufficient reward to warrant it.

    Please take note of your cognitive dissonance.

    [–]scumbag_mcgee 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    You said it's true that marriage is bad for you no matter what your personal values are.

    No it's not a contradiction. It's like agreeing to the statement that "alcohol is bad for you no matter what", which is true because the liver will suffer if you drink alcohol no matter what, BUT the enjoyment/pleasure/etc. that one derives from it, makes that undeniable bad aspect of alcohol WORTH IT.

    See the difference?

    Net good (Worth it?) = Total Good (Benefit) - Total Bad (Cost)

    I'm saying marriage does have a bad part (duh). But for some men, the good might outweigh the bad.

    Your reading comprehension is lacking bro.

    By the way, that term "cognitive dissonance", it doesn't mean what you think it means, you're using it wrong lol.

    [–]justtookit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ok I see it now.

    This is what I thought you were agreeing to:

    Net bad = benefits (zero) - cost (positive)

    You say there are cases where something good comes of marriage. Can you list any? We are actively seeking those benefits in this discussion, you should post them as a TLC if you have them.

    I thought you were displaying cognitive dissonance because (I thought) you agreed that marriage was net bad, but you were planning on acting/advising as if it wasn't. Not misuse, just misunderstanding.

    [–]justtookit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Also, here's a way to self blame:

    Instead of accusing your readers of low comprehension, assume that it is your skills in making a point that are lacking.

    [–]harkrank -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    All your example risks carry rewards or possible rewards. Marriage does not.

    [–]__ZEAL__ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Age? No. Two of the most RP people I've seen in my life were fucking women half their age and less in their 70's.

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      [–]__ZEAL__ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      What I'm saying is that using age as a factor simply isn't true. It's really down to how RP you actually are.

      [–]mrp3anut 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Strange.. isn't that the same reason some guys that subscribe to TRP get married?

      If you think your average recovering beta is going to be the "alpha" enough guy at 60 to still land young girls you are fooling yourself, just as most guys here aren't going to be capable of piloting a marriage in today's world.

      [–]__ZEAL__ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      This is all irrelevant to the point I made that it's possible. You just have to do it instead of making excuses.

      [–]KissTheBridesmaid 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The current social climate minimizes men’s importance and contributions and this is why legally and socially we are getting the short end of the stick.

      Men are starting to opt out of Marriage and the productive lifestyles that are required for it (including education). People are already concluding that society cannot function if this continues.

      The misandry bubble will pop, and this will happen sooner if men are opting out of marriage rather than playing along with it. Opting out is far more likely to make things better for our future generations in terms of gender relations and family structures.

      The current system isn’t working so I, for one am not going to play along with it.

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        [–]Endorsed Contributorbeer77 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It seems like you'd like to further the degradation of society by mishandling our stewardship of the next generation.

        You can't contaminate a sewer by pissing in it.