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Chances of getting into rutgers new brunswick business school? (self.rutgers)

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I attended Community College for the past two years and i finished all my classes earlier than expected with a total of a 3.14 gpa. In the beginning of my community colleges, i didn't do all that well, i got a D in my introduction to financial accounting class, and a C in Pre calculus. In my second semester i did a little bit better and but i still got C in macroeconomics and business statistics 1 class. In my third and fourth semester however i got all A's and B's including business statistics 2 and calculus. I retook financial accounting and got a B and i got an A in managerial accounting. In my fourth semester, i got a GPA of 3.80. I applied to rutgers as a transfer student, and so far i got into rutgers school of arts and science in New brunswick, and Rutgers school of Business in Newark. My application for Rutgers school of business in New brunswick is still in process and that's the one i really want to attend, so i was wondering what are my chances of getting in based off my past credentials.

-Sorry for any grammar mistakes or typos, i wrote all of this on my phone.

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[–]youdontlift 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (53子コメント)

Graduating from the business school this year, let me warn you about it.

You will have to retake managerial accounting here, as it will not transfer from any community college.

Also the business school is really not all that. You will have to take an enormous amount of general courses for the sake of being "well rounded" but all of the courses are so low level that they really are a waste of time. You don't even take a course in your actual major until your junior year because of all the filler courses. On top of that, cheating is rampant throughout the business school. For many people it's about getting the proper resources as opposed to studying and learning. It's very disheartening studying for weeks for an exam only for some students to have access to the actual exam prior to taking it.

Another thing is the student body is arguably one of the worst at Rutgers. Everyone is convinced they should be an fund manager or CEO at Goldman Sachs. The saying is 50% of the Rutgers business school think they are in the top 10%.

I really can't advise anyone attend the business school, unless you really want to be an accountant in which case it's necessary. 9/10 you are much better off majoring in economics.

If you do attend the business school regardless the best advice I can give is to try and take the best professors the school has to offer which aren't many to be honest. Winder, Hassan, Soos, and Weaver are all phenomenal and are the only saving grace of my four years in rbs.

Sorry to be such a downer, but this is all information I wish I knew when choosing my major.

[–]Kalculator 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Cheating is a huge problem and it really fucking pisses me off, when I dont cheat I get fucked because half the class is and as a result the curve is ruined. Theres no solution either as a student and as a result my GPA suffers while the little cheating faggots get a nice 4.0 and brag about how they had the answers ahead of time. Nothing makes me more upset and cynical about this school.

Why should I be suffering with a 3.5 when I know for a fact it should be higher?

[–]arub 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Employers look for competence and a drive. You can exhibit both in many different ways, one of them being academic performance: your GPA. Students often perceive GPA as the be all and end all, but that couldn't be farther from the truth.

All I can say is this... do what matters to you, do it well and figure out how to convey this passion to the people who will hire you. Sounds like bullshit, but it's as simple as that.

[–]litecoinminer123 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Grades aren't everything. I have a high paying job and had plenty of great internships with my lowly 3.4 gpa. Ya gotta think outside the box and quit blaming others. I have a better job and a worse GPA than many in my major/RBS.

[–]Kalculator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have a really good internship now with a large company thats a bit outside my field but has a lot of relevant experience to what I wany to do, so its not like im holding a pity party for myself....its just frustrating that something im spending 50,000 dollars on is of a lower quality due to the circumstances

[–]arub 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Too much of what you said is true. It's really hard to change the culture of a community, but that's what I think needs to be done if the business school is to get better. What do you think should be done?

[–]litecoinminer123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm going to sound like an ass for this, but I don't really care. I got my first job with a huge global company. So my alma mater won't matter to employers in the future anyway.

But if the program is to get better it centers around creating a program with faculty (professors, none of this PTL shit) who actually want to move the school forward, along with providing actual opportunities to students that are impressive (having J&J come to campus isn't impressive anymore). And I mean when it's hosted by RBS, not by such and such club with no real affiliation to RBS. Cheating will happen anywhere, but offering classes where if you cheat, you won't understand key concepts in the real world will help sqash the mass amount of cheating.

[–]arub 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hopefully the new dean will fix some of the issues RBS is facing. I feel like the students are moving faster than the school is.

[–]litecoinminer123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

One can hope. I hustled hard to get the opportunities I have, and while the name of RBS certainly helped, I don't think it was the key contributing factor. It sounds bad, but I feel I could have done all the networking I did without RBS. The alumni network really isn't half as strong as it should be, nor is the actual staff/faculty.

[–]arub 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It sounds bad, but I feel I could have done all the networking I did without RBS. The alumni network really isn't half as strong as it should be, nor is the actual staff/faculty.

RBS is a gateway, or an entry-point into networking opportunities. They don't have anything great to offer directly, but indirectly, it opens a lot of doors.

The alumni network is much stronger than you think it is, however, alumni would rather reach back directly to students rather than go through RBS. This is what I've noticed on the board of a major RBS club.

As for the faculty... RBS has some gems. You just have to look in the right places.

To be clear, I'm not defending RBS. They have a lot of work to do. But they do more than you're giving them credit for... it's just not put out there enough for everyone to see.

[–]litecoinminer123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree with your points mostly. At the same time the recruiters and execs that have come to meetings for a major RBS club I'm a part of have seemed interested in students as a whole, but even the RBS alum at these events didn't seem any more or less interested in us because we were RBS. I've had lunch with alumni I've linked up with on LinkedIn and while I'm sure they took the lunch because we had RBS in common, I don't think it would've been a deciding factor for them helping me land a gig, so much as my personality and skill set.

[–]arub 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, absolutely. 95% of it is you. It is you who's going to land that job, and the same goes for every school.

[–]toxic004[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Thanks for your reply! As for my major, i should have made that clear, but i want to double major in accounting and finance. I am not really worried about taking tedious classes. I just think that rutgers business school is one of the best and doing my undergrad here will really help me get into a good masters program some where else if i do well that is. I actually have quite a lot of work experience. I interned as an accounted/financial analyst for 1.5 years at two different companies, and i am currently interning from jan-aug for a business intelligence and sap company. I just wanted to know if i have a chance to get into the rutgers school of business in new brunswick.

[–]Sinomurica 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Newark RBS undergrad is better than NB. Go there for better networking opportunities and better faculty. Also less complicated commute for internships or part time work in Hudson County or NYC

[–]litecoinminer123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Double in Accounting and BAIT. Finance at Rutgers is somewhat of a black hole. BAIT will set you up for tech consulting, and similar things to your experiences with business intelligence and SAP. BAIT is still viewed by employers as highly regarded even though there has only been one graduating class.

[–]toxic004[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What do you mean that Finance is somewhat of a black hole?

[–]litecoinminer123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not very directed. You could go work for GS if you have connections, or be any type of "financial analyst" which is such a broad term for any and all types work at any company around the world. Basically, it teaches you some skills but I feel like the program doesn't really open up many doors that a generic "business school" degree wouldn't already.

[–]randomthrowout712 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (33子コメント)

You sound sour. People definitely cheat, especially the tests banks with the frats. BUT, you can get an A regardless of that. There shouldn't be an excuses. Moral of the story is the business school has resources available to you. It just depends on whether or not you take advantage of those resources.

People from Rutgers frequently go into investment banking, consulting and other "high status" fields. However those were the kids who took every opportunity available to them. No you likely wont be working for Goldman Sachs IB or Bane but you can still get in at other big investment banks/consulting firms.

No reason to deter someone's desire to come to this school. If you're not going to any of the top 20 B-Schools than this is definitely your next best option.

In regards to managerial not transferring that depends on which CC you transfer from.

To actually answer your question though OP, you've got a decent chance. I wont say it's guaranteed but I know people with similar stats who were accepted.

[–]youdontlift 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (30子コメント)

I am sour, I've busted my ass for four years and have earned a 3.9 gpa. No test banks, old exams, or using my phone in class. Grades are supposed to reflect how well you know the material, not how well you can cheat or who you know. If the system allows the level of cheating that RBS does then it is a flawed system. Can't really argue with that.

[–]randomthrowout712 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's school for you. Most of the things you learn will be on the job. A 3.9GPA is amazing, but if you're not networking you can't expect to have a job handed to you. I don't know your personal situation so I don't want to assume too much.

[–]litecoinminer123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (28子コメント)

Congrats on busting your ass for four years. It shows great work ethic. At the same time, you can't tell potential employers you could've had a 4.0 if it wasn't for all the cheaters in your school. It makes you look bad. Welcome to the real world. You'll work 100x harder than coworkers and get 0 credit for it. That's how the real world works, so take this as a solid lesson in how to deal with it.

[–]Sinomurica -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (27子コメント)

You assume too much without knowing his actual situation. Also didn't you just graduate recently? That also doesn't make you the most insightful redditor on real world situations...

[–]litecoinminer123 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (26子コメント)

I've worked in other countries on client engagements with teams of people that didn't even speak the same native language as me. Multiple times. I'd say I've got a decent idea of the real world.

But I'm just giving my point of view, you're not required to believe me or even entertain my post. That's the beauty of the internet.

[–]Sinomurica -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (25子コメント)

I've worked in other countries on client engagements with teams of people that didn't even speak the same native language as me. Multiple times. I'd say I've got a decent idea of the real world.

So have I and many others who've worked in large corporations with global offices. That doesn't make you special as strange as that sounds to a kid from NJ in the early phase of his/her career.

"That's the beauty of the Internet."

[–]litecoinminer123 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Judging by the info you've put in this thread about RBS MBA, Newark is better because it's close to NYC, etc. etc. really proves my point. If you have worked for months in another country I'm impressed, but you honestly don't seem to have any idea of the real world. Rutgers MBA is worth jack shit. Doesn't matter if it's Newark or NB. Better recruiting happens at RBS NB, and with an econ major from SAS their odds of even getting a recruiter to talk to them with less than a 3.8 GPA is a joke in and of itself.

[–]Sinomurica 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (23子コメント)

A Rutgers MBA is relatively more value than an undergrad degree from a satellite RBS campus. Other users already noted the value of the MBA based on senior management and the longer history of the Newark campus.

You're the one who kept suggesting the degrees are useless and networking matters...yet location is also a factor in networking and securing internships and work.

Better recruiting happens in Newark due to MBAs/undergrads and convenience for recruiters based in NYC and Hudson county to meet prospective candidates.

The ECON Major is great for SAS, but that's unrelated to the subject of RBS ( nice try on changing the subject). Funny you mentioned GPA given you said it is irrelevant in finding work and that 'only networking' matters.

Seriously, you truly are someone who is at an early phase of your career. As a recent graduate, you're frankly not as sophisticated as you think (let alone well-versed in the real world). Just because you're able to dish out random advice on personal finance sub does not make you well-informed on personal finance.

[–]litecoinminer123 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (22子コメント)

The way you speak lends me to believe you are the perfect stereotype of a group in RBS. Ultimately I have a career path in front of me that will largely eclipse most other graduates. If you'd like to take the perspective of someone that's much older and knows much more (which is the way you come off) that's great, but your perspective has no more credibility than mine.

A Rutgers MBA is relatively more value than an undergrad degree from a satellite RBS campus.

What does this even mean? The fact you can't even articulate a point about the MBA I'm assuming you earned is pretty eye opening. Obviously an MBA is a higher degree than an undergrad degree, but I doubt it's a better value. Do you know what value means?

[–]toxic004[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did the people who you know with similar stats get accepted recently?

[–]randomthrowout712 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, Fall 2014

[–]litecoinminer123 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, some of what you said is true - a lot is bullshit. People cheat because they realize the time-value of money in the business school. Why work hard on the classes you called "filler courses". There isn't any point. You've exemplified why people cheat. Because actually learning the material is a waste of time. I can focus my time on things that matter; my internship, networking events, cold calling, etc. Those have a material value. A large amount of people from RBS (all that I associate with) are being hired or have been hired by great companies making salaries WAY above what you'd think is normal. The point is, either I surround myself (without any choice) by people that are very smart/lucky/competent, or it's really not that hard to get a good paying job from RBS (cheating or no cheating) by simply making a concerted effort.

[–]youdontlift 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you're justifying cheating in courses because they're meaningless, and yet you don't think that's a huge flaw? If the courses are meaningless then it's a bad program. "There isn't any point to learning the information that the school teaches you! BUT ITS STILL A GOOD PROGRAM!" You just said you can network without rbs, so what did the program do for you? You're pretty much validating everything I said.

[–]Sinomurica 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There isn't any point to learning the information that the school teaches you! BUT ITS STILL A GOOD PROGRAM!"

Why all the more reason to major in Econ, network, intern rather than waste time in the RBS undergrad. For those who still want RBS, they should consider going to RBS Newark for their undergrad and grad needs rather than the satellite campus in NB (where said problems run rampant).

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[–]squisch 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I got in right out of high school with a 4.7 GPA and only a 1760 SAT with literally no other credentials. I'm not in the business school anymore, however.

[–]URETHRAL_DIARRHEA 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did you mean 3.7? 4.7 is extremely good.

[–]squisch 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honors and AP courses are weighted on a different scale to show you are taking more difficult classes. My "unweighted" GPA was a 3.8 I believe.

[–]URETHRAL_DIARRHEA 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what's that out of 100?

[–]Sinomurica -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Don't bother with RBS New Brunswick. The RBS Newark is actually the core business school and has good networking opportunities due to proximity to NYC, Hoboken, Jersey City and even Newark.

If you can't get into RBS Newark, go major in Econ at NB and network aggressively. Once you find work, consider returning to RBS Newark or better for an MBA. Avoid RBS NB as it is the inferior version of Rutgers Business School and where most issues you've read exist.

[–]ddiiggss -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

For MBA, there's no difference between Newark and New Brunswick. It's split between full time and flex, but there's no such thing as a Newark MBA vs a New Brunswick MBA - same program, take classes on either campus, same degree.

[–]Sinomurica -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes it can be similar on paper or whatever the website and brochures claim. However, the core faculty, students and facilities are in Newark, while New Brunswick is the satellite campus.

Also keep in mind Newark is in a better location for networking and internships due to proximity to NYC, Hudson County, etc whereas NB is about 1-1.5 hours away from the New York metro area.

[–]ddiiggss -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not just similar - it's the same school, just with two different locations. Professors generally teach classes both in Newark and NB, and with the new business school building on Livingston, the NB campus amenities are much more in line with Newark than they were before. You're right, though, that Newark is closer in proximity to NYC and it's easier to do some of the ancillary stuff from there, but class- and student support-wise, the two campuses are pretty much interchangeable.

[–]Sinomurica -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your points are valid but experience in NB campus not as great as what I have heard about Newark. Then again, it's interesting to know NB is gradually catching up but I would still recommend students to try Newark given the longer history, faculty and proximity to opportunities outside of class.