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Why try to convert others? (self.Christianity)

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So recently, Christian missionaries have been under scrutiny in India. Calling Hinduism satanic and Hindus "satanic idol worshipers" Going on to say Hindus need their souls to be saved from "Satan" (Hindu gods). Why are they judging (isn't that a sin, idk for sure) and spreading hate.

Taking advantage of people in a bad situation

I've had it with this stupid snake god

Meanwhile in Goa's hospital.

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Targeting

edit: another one

this guy ...

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[–]Christian (Cross)NotJustBread 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm really sorry those people are insulting your beliefs. As a Christian I don't believe them, just as i'm sure you don't believe mine, but that doesn't mean I can't respect them. These people are going about this all wrong. I hope this doesn't tarnish your view of all Christians, most are very good people.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope this doesn't tarnish your view of all Christians, most are very good people.

It doesn't, I think most Christians are very nice people (I live in America so most of my friends are Christians), and they don't insult my beliefs or try to force their beliefs on me and I do the same. You seem like a great person as well.

[–]Episcopalian (Anglican)rednail64 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Look at all the posts over the years here along the theme of "how can you enjoy heaven knowing your loved ones are burning in hell"

That's why.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (16子コメント)

maybe some people will enjoy hell shrug

[–]pinkunicorn53 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

No one will enjoy hell trust me

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I don't know hell sounds fun, but, then again I am Hindu, we don't send people to hell.

[–]pinkunicorn53 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

What about hell sounds fun? The weeping and gnashing of teeth or the everlasting fire? Christian's don't send people to hell either. I don't wish for you or anyone in this world to experience the punishment prepared for the devil and his angels; which is probably why there are so many Christian missionaries in India right now.

Jesus died for your sins and loves you just as much as He loves me. He offers you a free gift that I've already accepted and it brings me a great joy knowing that I'm one of his children. He died for your sins, meaning that He took them upon Himself so that you wouldn't have to suffer the punishment I've described above and you can enter freely into heaven. All you have to do is accept Him and believe in the only Son of God, and you will be welcomed with open hands.

[–]RajaRajaC 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Vishnu does the same for me. He was around a good 3,000 years before Christ. Why do you even in this modern world insist that only you are right and everything else is false? Live and let live, tolerance...all this ring a bell?

[–]Christianakubhai [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

let and let live? Then why are you posting in this thread?

[–]silversherry 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The notion that Jesus died for your sins is a Christian concept, the same way Hindus believe Vishnu reincarnated 9 times and will reincarnate one more time to save us. Your beliefs are yours and ours are ours. It would be good if Christians didn't try to push their beliefs on everyone.

[–]railgaadi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

How are you so sure that Christianity is spot on while Hinduism isn't? And a 1000 other religions aren't too.

[–]Trad CatholicPartoghimeos 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody believes Hinduism is spot on. That would go against Hindu beliefs. Aside from Brahman, the Hindu belief system has no absolute beliefs.

[–]Christianakubhai [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The same reason you think Hinduism is right and Christianity is wrong

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Where to start hmm...

Christian's don't send people to hell either.

Christianity clearly defines a Heaven and a Hell.

which is probably why there are so many Christian missionaries in India right now

Most Indians are Hindus, and don't want to be saved. In Hinduism there is no hell. If you didn't do well in this life, you get reincarnated and get to try again. We don't severely punish people for eternity. Other Indians are Muslims, they don't want to be saved either. They have their own system.

Jesus died for your sins and loves you just as much as He loves me. He died for your sins.

I don't know how to put this nicely, but no he didn't die for my sins. He did for your sins and any other Christians' sins. I am not Christian so he didn't die for my sins.

All you have to do is accept Him and believe in the only Son of God, and you will be welcomed with open hands.

um, I am Hindu through and through. I don't need to saved.

[–]golfball1111 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That isn't very Hindu of you. Jesus did die for everyone's sins, Christian or not, but Christians believe that the only way to salvation is by believing in Jesus.

Hindus would accept this, too, "all rivers lead to the same ocean".

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That isn't very Hindu of you.

Thank you for telling me I didn't realize you were Hindu.

Jesus did die for everyone's sins, Christian or not

He still didn't die for mine, repeating it won't make it true

Hindus would accept this, too, "all rivers lead to the same ocean".

Than you for teaching me about my own faith. Didn't realize you were more well versed.

Have a nice day

[–]chantuaurbantu 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

well how about this..

a god who punishes his children because his children doesn't believe in him?? that's one selfish fucking god... I'd rather burn in hell than believe in such selfish god..

[–]No-Kia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is one point which turned me off religion.

[–]Christian Deistbunker_man [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Hell is like an ayn rand book that never ends even more than her regular books don't. No one enjoys it.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I have no idea who that is but, I am sure it can't be that bad at least it won't be full of bigots

[–]EAST SYRIAC CATHOLICDawgsOnTopUGA 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Evangelization vs proselytization.

Yeah, I am Indian myself. I really hate the evangelical protestants that come over here. There are already native Catholic and Orthodox in India. We lived in peace until the protestants came.

[–]Episcopalian (Anglican)lightfive 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (27子コメント)

I don't get the whole "we need to convert others" thing and I don't like missionaries.

If anything, if it should be our job to convert others to Christianity, we should do so by setting a good example. By living out "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and love our neighbors as we love ourselves. This will be a thousand times more effective then go to countries and tell them that their religion is BS and that they need to be saved from Satan.

In the end, our Creator gave us free will and we ought to exercise it. This also includes being responsible for our actions when finally facing our Creator after death. We can only do so much and lead by example.

[–]pinkunicorn53 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (23子コメント)

And then Jesus told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned.

Setting a good example is good and all, but good deeds will not save anyone; Jesus is the only way to salvation, and if you don't tell people about Jesus then they will be condemned.

But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, “How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!” Romans 10

[–]Episcopalian (Anglican)lightfive 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Setting a good example is good and all, but good deeds will not save anyone; Jesus is the only way to salvation, and if you don't tell people about Jesus then they will be condemned.

So you mean to tell me I can spent my entire life dedicated to help those in need while simultaneously never having heard of Jesus Christ and be condemned for exactly that? Doesn't sound like something a loving and caring Creator would do

[–]Southern Baptistpouponstoops 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (11子コメント)

It sounds like you are purporting a "saved by works" theology... and trying to reconcile God with your beliefs rather than your beliefs with God

[–]Episcopalian (Anglican)lightfive 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Well... maybe I am.

But it has more to do with what I've been taught at church (that God loves everyone, regardless of their vices and sins) and what is often promoted here (that you definitely need to follow certain things or you're doomed.)

[–]RajaRajaC 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It also has to do with historical baggage I guess. The Anglican church hasn't been that heavily into conversions relative to other denominations, esp the Baptist ones. I guess that also colours your world view.

[–]Southern Baptistpouponstoops 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

God does love everyone, and I'm not sure that this sub argues otherwise.

But just because God is willing to punish His children, does not mean He doesn't love them.

[–]chantuaurbantu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

what nonsense are you filled up with in your head man??

a god that will punish his children just because his children doesn't believe in him?? what kind of selfish god is he?? i'd rather get punished than believe in such selfish god..

[–]Christianakubhai 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Couldn't a god who forced a relationship on people be considered a "selfish" god?

[–]chantuaurbantu -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

i don't know what you're trying to say..

but a god who forces anything is a selfish god.. live and let live!!

when we donate something to poor, we don't expect anything in return.. if you expect anything in return, its not really called donation.. we as people are smart enough to understand that people who donate without expecting anything in return are much much nicer people than people who expect something in return..

if god is so nice, he should not be expecting anything in return.. otherwise, he's selfish.. i didn't ask him to make me, but he made me anyway.. i don't owe him anything.. as long as i don't hurt other people, i'm a good and happy person.. i think we're smart enough to understand that right?? if you don't understand that simple thing, I just don't know what to tell you..

[–]Christianakubhai [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

So God forcing you to go to heaven would be selfish since you said anything forcing is selfish

[–]Southern Baptistpouponstoops 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not so much that God punishes those who don't believe in Him, but that God punishes those who don't follow His law.

Believing in Him is like a pardon from the governor.

[–]chantuaurbantu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

bai no bhosdo!!

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    [–]Episcopalian (Anglican)lightfive 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Scripture says

    Who says scripture wasn't created by someone who was creating an idol himself?

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      [–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      That's rude.

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        [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Who are you to judge? Are you god? You aren't allowed to decide if someone is Christian or not.

        [–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's great that you get to distinguish who is and isnt a Christian based upon their questions.

        [–]pinkunicorn53 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        That loving and caring Creator sent His one and only Son to die for you and me and the whole world, hundreds witnessed His resurrection and many wrote about it; the Good News has been passed on over generations and is even today presented to you. He wants you to be saved from sin and receive everlasting life. It pained God greatly to see His Son, who has been with Him since the beginning suffer so greatly to show His love for this world. If you've had the chance to hear about Jesus Christ or seek Him out and chose not to do so, or chose to ignore it, then yes, you will likely be condemned for that. I cannot speak for those who have never had the chance to hear about Jesus and can only pray that God judges them fairly.

        [–]silversherry 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        This belief is what makes people hate Christians. They believe only their way is right and condemn everyone else's believes. How do you know that is the ultimate truth? Christianity is fairly recent, while Hinduism has been around since 6000 BC. So if we apply your logic, wouldn't it make more sense that Hinduism is actually true cause it has been around for a longer time and god wanted to protect people back from then?

        Your logic is flawed. You have no base to claim that Jesus is the only way. This is the reason so many people hate Christians and are becoming atheists. Christians just can't keep their beliefs to themselves.

        [–]Christianakubhai [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

        Christians just can't keep their beliefs to themselves

        A little disingenuous to say that when you're in /r/Christianity spreading your beliefs

        [–]Christianakubhai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        If you believe Jesus is Lord and that having a relationship with Him has made your life better, wouldn't you want to share that with others?

        [–]Episcopalian (Anglican)lightfive 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Share? Yes. But a lot of missionaries come on too strong IMHO.

        [–]Christianakubhai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I agree some do but that isn't a reason to paint all of them with a broad brush

        [–]Southern Baptistpouponstoops 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        It sounds like they aren't going about it in the right way, but if you honestly believe that Christ is the only path to salvation, then you believe non-sabed people are going to hell. If you really love other people then you have an obligation to try and save them.

        To touch on something that you said that get's thrown around here a lot, I don't think judging is an outright sin. We are called to judge not lest we be judged, but I think that's more in the context of condemning people of their sin. There's nothing wrong with evaluating evil, but there's not much use in pointing it out to a non-believer. Also, we are called to hold our Christian brothers and sisters accountable.

        [–]chantuaurbantu -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        yes.. so you agree with muslims killing people for 72 virgins right?? i mean they truly believe in it.. they're honest with themselves..

        [–]Southern Baptistpouponstoops 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Am I ok with it? No, because I believe they are wrong.

        Does it make sense in their head because of their religion? Yes

        [–]chantuaurbantu -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        so what you're saying is, "muslims are wrong, but christians are just like muslims"..

        [–]lamrar 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (128子コメント)

        Why try to convert others?

        We are commanded to make all people his disciples. That is the only way we can be sure they will be saved. Many missionaries have experienced the transforming power of Christ themselves, and want to help others achieve the same.

        Why are they judging?

        Christians see other gods in one of two ways. Either they are simply fake tales and superstitions, or they are evil spirits serving Satan, posing as gods to lead people away from salvation. Either way, their followers would be better off converted. So these missionaries think they are telling the truth, not judging.

        [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (126子コメント)

        That is still no excuse to go to another country that is predominantly Hindu and insult their religion. A religion that is A LOT older than Christianity.

        Edit: spelling

        [–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (12子コメント)

        It definitely doesnt. It's disgusting that people would insult a group's culture and lifestyle that way. If you want to look at a really wonderful missionary who converted a ton of people while still respecting theur culture, I'd recommend reading about the life of Saint Herman of Alaska. He preached to the Inuits and converted them to Orthodoxy, all the while maintaining their culture and even protecting them from the rest of the russian settlers who were trying to kill them.

        Just because we want to spread truth doesnt mean we get to crap all over someone else under the guise of "saving them". I'm terribly sorry people are acting this way in your home.

        [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        I think you are a wonderful person, I know one person (I live in America) who wants to be a missionary herself (she is Mormon) and she is the nicest person I know. I understand that not all missionaries are like this but, it is still insulting to be told that I am a Satan Worshiper, just because I believe is something different.

        [–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah, I'd be pretty offended too. Just because that's what we might think is the case doesnt mean we should go spouting it off at people and putting them on the defensive.

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          [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          It's a rude thing to say.

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            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            why do you care if someone says you worship him?

            As someone who is surrounded by Christians, I associate Satan worshiper or any other form of that word as a degrading personal attack.

            [–]Christian, Jesuist (Ichthys)frontier-psych 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You don't believe in, say, Sauron, but saying that you worship an embodiment of evil itself could be considered offensive.

            [–]RajaRajaC 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            You are the only person here who gets this. Thank you. We Indians aren't saying don't convert, we are saying don't convert using foul means. If theologically you are able to conceive somebody...brilliant, the Indian constitution even protects this right but don't try ave trust this down our throats using money as bribes or lies as your basis.

            [–]funkymunk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Convince*? Also, trust in place of thrust is just you mocking the pauwalla stereotype :P

            [–]TaazaPlaza 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            As an Indian who only recently found out what a pao walla is, I think it's safe to say it's a Mumbai exclusive stereotype.

            [–]funkymunk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            True. Some Goans use it as well.

            [–]Christianakubhai -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This thread is bringing in all the Indians.

            There are definitely many in India who say don't convert at all. There are even parts of India that are trying to legislate this.

            [–]lamrar -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (28子コメント)

            It kinda is though, if the Hindu religion is false and Christianity is true. The missionaries are not being intentionally insulting, they believe that they are helping these people realize the truth.

            I disagree with the methods you refer to in your OP, they seem counter-productive and disrespectful. However, I do agree with the goal of converting Hindus to Christianity.

            Also, age doesn't make a religion true, and Hinduism has changed so much over the milennia that it's debatable whether the current religion is older than Christianity.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (22子コメント)

            Though I agree with, age doesn't make a religion true, there is no debate that Hinduism is the oldest religion still practiced today. As for changes in the religion, there are changes in all religions, even Christianity.

            It kinda is though, if the Hindu religion is false and Christianity is true.

            That still doesn't give you or anyone else any right to insult anyone's beliefs. As for saving people, I don't think people want to be saved.

            [–]lamrar 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (21子コメント)

            Though I agree with, age doesn't make a religion true, there is no debate that Hinduism is the oldest religion still practiced today.

            Hinduism is a lot more diverse and has changed a lot more than Christianity. The change fusion of Bhakti into the Vedic religion for example, is almost as serious great as the change from Judaism to Christianity. The Vedic religion practiced by the Aryans was very different from the religion practiced by Hindus today.

            That still gives you or anyone else any right to insult anyone's beliefs.

            Freedom of speech gives them that right. Like I said, I don't think they are doing it on purpose, though I don't agree with their methods. Hindus insult Christians too, e.g. by claiming that the Christian God is just one aspect of Brahman, etc.

            As for saving people, I don't think people want to be saved.

            Christianity is growing fast in India, so apparently many people do.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (20子コメント)

            Hindus insult Christians too, e.g. by claiming that the Christian God is just one aspect of Brahman, etc.

            not a common thing (first time I have heard about but, then again I don't live in India)

            Christianity is growing fast in India, so apparently many people do.

            I don't know if you looked at any of those links but, most people convert for money since they are promised food or money for medicine if they covert. It's not because they want to be saved.

            Hinduism is a lot more diverse and has changed a lot more than Christianity.

            Christianity is not the same as demonstrated by many of the sects present today. Each one which has a different interpretation of the Bible. The bible which has been translated many times and many people speculate does not hold the original meaning because of being mistranslated.

            [–]lamrar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (19子コメント)

            not a common thing (first time I have heard about but, then again I don't live in India

            I don't think it's very common, and it's mostly happens with "westernized" forms of Hinduism (e.g. Vivekananda).

            I don't know if you looked at any of those links but, most people convert for money since they are promised food or money for medicine if they covert. It's not because they want to be saved.

            That's not what your links said. They said some people converted for money. "Not all of [the missionaries engage in such practices], mind you. Not the intrepid souls who work selflessly to help the poor, the afflicted, and the illiterate, in the spirit of their savior's exhortation to serve "the least of these." Such missionaries have been welcome in India for centuries, and the Hindus I spoke to are grateful for their good works."

            "I don't know if these egregious actions are commonplace or rarities."

            Christianity is not the same as demonstrated by many of the sects present today. Each one which has a different interpretation of the Bible. The bible which has been translated many times and many people speculate does not hold the original meaning because of being mistranslated.

            The main branch of Christianity, Roman Catholicism, has changed surprisingly little, and encompasses a much narrower range of practices and traditions than Hinduism. Some scholars argue that Hinduism wasn't seen as a unified tradition until Islam brought the need to define the native practices.

            However, if we define a Hindu as a person who believes the Vedas to be revelation, and a Christian as someone who believes the Bible to be the same, then Hinduism is certainly older by at least 1300 years.

            [–]chantuaurbantu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            the problem is "Intention".. why don't they use their effort to help people in mexico or any other poor christian country? They probably need more help than India. Because they are already christians??

            all the missionary activities in india is doing nothing but creating social imbalance in india.. it can end up in extremism and deaths..

            why do you think the number of christians is going down drastically in the west?? if your own people are having doubts on their faith, why not waste more energy at your own home instead of your neighbors??

            [–]lamrar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            the problem is "Intention".. why don't they use their effort to help people in mexico or any other poor christian country? They probably need more help than India. Because they are already christians??

            There are many Christians helping poor people in Mexico. However, missionaries do not only want to save lives, they also want to save souls. Like I said, we/they believe it would be good for everyone to become Christian.

            all the missionary activities in india is doing nothing but creating social imbalance in india.. it can end up in extremism and deaths..

            What do you mean by "social imbalance"?

            why do you think the number of christians is going down drastically in the west?? if your own people are having doubts on their faith, why not waste more energy at your own home instead of your neighbors??

            The decline is a lot less drastic than most people think, and I think it is caused by our materialistic society defining people as consumers first, sending everyone on a futile quest to get a well-paying job to by the highest amount of stuff we really don't need. Also, the improvements in science since the 1700s have instilled us with a certain hubris.

            [–]chantuaurbantu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            well well.. how do you justify such a belief that says "it's good for everyone to become christian?" Why not have a belief like "live and let live"??

            anyway, that intention of converting people has probably killed so many people who would have not been killed otherwise.. muslims have the same "intention". they think "allah is the only god".. and that results in lot of violence.. the intention in christianity is no different, but they use the power of money (used to be violence before)...

            just because you think that your beliefs are true, it doesn't give you the right to interfere with others' lives.. and if you think you have the right to interfere, then muslims are justified as well since they should also have the right to interfere with others' lives if you do..

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (15子コメント)

            it's mostly happens with "westernized" forms of Hinduism (e.g. Vivekananda)

            probably, I am not familiar with Vivekananda

            That's not what your links said. They said some people converted for money.

            Most people don't convert, because they suddenly had an epiphany.

            " Such missionaries have been welcome in India for centuries, and the Hindus I spoke to are grateful for their good works."

            There is a reason India has been taken over a few times. We welcome everyone.

            The main branch of Christianity, Roman Catholicism, has changed surprisingly little

            there are many branches, not just one, which shows many people interpreted the bible differently.

            [–]lamrar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (14子コメント)

            Most people don't convert, because they suddenly had an epiphany.

            There is a middle ground between epiphanies and the unscrupulous practices you describe. Most people probably convert for the same reasons people have converted to Christianity for millenia: they realize the truth in the Word and the examples of Christians.

            there are many branches, not just one, which shows many people interpreted the bible differently.

            True. But the main branches (Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy), encompassing approx. 70% of Christians, have a much narrower range of practices and beliefs than e.g. Vaishnavism. These branches have also been remarkably consistent since their conception as opposed to the discrepancy between traditional Vedic religion and modern Vaishnavism.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (13子コメント)

            Most people probably convert for the same reasons people have converted to Christianity for millenia: they realize the truth in the Word and the examples of Christians.

            Most people converted because of religious oppression. Especially in Europe. Has nothing to do with the truth.

            encompassing approx. 70% of Christians, have a much narrower range of practices and beliefs

            Not true since practices seem to differ greatly between Catholics and other sects. I am just basing this off of what I have heard when Christians from different sects discuss church.

            [–]silversherry -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            How do you know Hinduism is false and Christianity is true? You have no basis to assume that.

            [–]Christianakubhai 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            If he didn't assume that, why would he be a Christian?

            [–]lamrar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            That's why I said "if the Hindu religion is false and Christianity is true". While I do not know it in the empirical sense (as the term is often used these days), there are several good reasons to assume this. However, I did not intend this to be a debate on the truth of Christianity/Hinduism - the point is that the missionaries are not converting people for fun or for any nefarious purposes, they believe people have one chance to avoid damnation, and are therefore desperately trying to save them.

            Again: I do not agree with their methods.

            [–]silversherry 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Alright, sorry, my mistake.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            there are several good reasons to assume this

            what are those reasons? not looking to start an argument just wondering.

            [–]Episcopalian (Anglican)a_p_carter_year_b -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (27子コメント)

            God told us to try to convert others, so we do. I am sorry that some are insulting your religion.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (21子コメント)

            I personally don't understand the conversion part (it's against my religion) but, I don't think it's bad. The only part I don't like is when people feel the need to insult other religions. Also taking advantage of the people in need, I know a lot of missionaries provide actual help but, there are a few that just give false promises.

            [–]animebodypillow -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            when did she say that?

            [–]Episcopalian (Anglican)a_p_carter_year_b -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            When did who say what? I don't understand.

            [–]animebodypillow 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            when did god tell us to try to convert others?

            [–]Episcopalian (Anglican)a_p_carter_year_b 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Almost two thousand years ago.

            [–]Christian (Cross)lju1977 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (44子コメント)

            Ultimately, you don't make Jesus Lord and have faith, then you are not going to see heaven.

            These missionaries are more concerned with eternity rather than pleasing someone for a short time.

            [–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (12子コメント)

            How far does that go? Is it okay to torture people into converting, because after all worldy torture pales in comparison to the torture of Hell, you know? We're more concerned with eternity than making people feel good for a short amount of time.

            [–]Southern Baptistimgladimnothim -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

            No, it ain't ok to torture. It breaks the love your neighbor as your self rule

            [–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            And being mean to them doesnt break that rule?

            [–]Christian (Cross)NotJustBread 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Yeah it does. I don't think OP was suggesting that being mean was acceptable just giving the logic for it.

            [–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Justifying it means giving reasons for it being acceptable. That line of thinking is dangerous. Thats how we got Jesuits priests torturing people into conversion.

            [–]Christian (Cross)NotJustBread 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            No he is explaining their logic, he is not accepting it or justifying it.

            [–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I guess you and I just read it differently.

            [–]Christianakubhai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            He was answering the topic question, not addressing the links

            [–]BaptistMichigan__J__Frog -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            The standard isn't "niceness", but love. It may not be nice to point out the futility of idolatry, but it is loving.

            [–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            What matters is how that is pointed out. And no, I do not believe the manner than was chosen is loving at all. Having the truth does not mean we have free reign to say whatever we want and to hurt people and call that "loving."

            [–]BaptistMichigan__J__Frog 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            If you're talking about the "stupid snake god" guy I would agree. After all he said this behind their backs which betrays his sense of superiority and condescension towards those he's preaching to.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It may not be nice to point out the futility of idolatry, but it is loving.

            Just because you think it's futile, doesn't mean it is. You don't know if you are right and you are in no position to impose your views on others.

            *you should also read silversherry's response

            [–]silversherry -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The futility of idolatry? Can you show any results that Christian ways have been more helpful in spiritual liberation than idolatry? In Hinduism, idols are used strictly as concentration tools, a yogi or a person who can meditate well does not need idols. Many yogis in the mountains of india don't worship idols. Idols are a means to direct your energy and concentrate it. The chants around idols and bells create a positive vibration and an environment suitable for spiritual growth. This has all been proven, so stop pushing your beliefs on others. All Hindu traditions have scientific meaning behind them. That's why there was never a science vs religion fiasco in Hinduism.

            Hinduism propagates idol worship more than any other religion. Researchers say that this was initiated for the purpose of increasing concentration during prayers. According to psychiatrists, a man will shape his thoughts as per what he sees. If you have 3 different objects in front of you, your thinking will change according to the object you are viewing. Similarly, in ancient India, idol worship was established so that when people view idols it is easy for them to concentrate to gain spiritual energy and meditate without mental diversion

            [–]RajaRajaC 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            So it is okay to come into my home, bribe me with money, false promises (including stuff like, I will cure you of cancer if you will accept Jesus), calling Hindu Gods as the devil, rapists and inhumane, and after conversion forcing you to convert (if you are a woman, including denying sex to your husband) family members....all this is acceptable? What kind of sick morality does Christianity instill in you folks?

            [–]Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley)shannondoah 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Did you notice this poster's comment karma?

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            My karma?

            [–]Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley)shannondoah 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            No. lju1977's.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            oh yeah, s/he has very radical views. Not surprised.

            [–]Christian (Cross)lju1977 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Well I would say that those a not biblical evangelism techniques, and not ones that I or the people I know would use.

            However, belivers have been command to share the gospel with the list. It's not optional

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (24子コメント)

            What if I and any other person who is not Christian (Hindus, Muslims, Buddhist) doesn't want to be saved? What if we have have a different perception of what "Heaven" is? What gives you the right to "save my soul"?

            [–]Lead your family to the throne daily for mercy and grace.HeyArnoldPalmer- -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            So are you saying that we shouldn't try talking to you about Jesus because we don't know whether or not you want to know Jesus? That's a little bit silly, isn't it?

            You're free to make your own decisions, and simply being not interested is enough to make most people move along.

            I wonder, are there people who are both good and bad people in the Hindu faith? Is there only one type of Hinduism? Well the same things are true of Christianity. Each person has their own beliefs, and each sect of Christianity believes a certain thing.

            What I'm saying is, don't assume because they come in the name of Christ that they are actually of Christ.

            But yes, we're called by the Bible to bring our faith to all nations. And I think the true message we have is actually very beautiful and I know that God answers prayers and works miracles in the heart of men and women worldwide.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            I am not saying you can't talk to us about Jesus, but condemning me to "hell" because I am not Christian, isn't going to make me like you more.

            [–]Christianakubhai 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            The person talking to you isn't condemning you. If you don't believe in hell, why does it matter?

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            It's a cultural thing. Like I wouldn't be offended if someone said I was going to Jahannam (Islamic Hell), because I don't really associate anything with the word.

            [–]Christianakubhai 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            So why associate anything with Christian hell?

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Because of who I was surrounded by as a child, most of my friends are Christians and they have that association with that word so I began to subconsciously associate it as well.

            [–]Christian (Cross)lju1977 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (17子コメント)

            Then you choose hell (as in eternal suffering in the lake of fire), of your own free will.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (16子コメント)

            I don't think your "hell" will affect me. I am Hindu we have Heaven, but we don't have Hell. We don't leave our people to suffer for eternity. They get reincarnated and get another chance instead of punishing them forever.

            [–]Christian (Cross)adecentchristian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            Interesting. This certainly seems more loving.

            Do you have any links or books you'd recommend for learning more about Hinduism?

            [–]silversherry 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            You can read the English version of the Hindu scripture 'Bhagavat gita'. Its available online I think. The basis of Hinduism is that there is only one truth and it can be attained in many ways. No matter what religion or path you choose, you will arrive at the same truth. In other words, we can worship god in a number of names, we can call him Allah or Jesus or Vishnu but at the end, people of all religions will arrive at the same truth.

            According to Hinduism, god is not separate from his creation, all things in this world are god. All humans, irrespective of their religions, are God. A human soul is reincarnated again and again till we realise the god inside us and become one with him. Every single soul on this earth, whether human or animal, will have the same fate. I suggest you read the wiki page for Hinduism.

            [–]Christian (Cross)adecentchristian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Wow, I really like that. That actually makes the most sense to me and has been my general feeling for a long time now.

            [–]silversherry 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yup :) You can PM me if you have any questions regarding it. I suggest you look up the wiki page, it is the oldest religion on earth and dates back to 10000BC.

            Also, we don't have the concept of heaven or hell in Hinduism. Karma is a concept that came from Hinduism. Its the basis of our religion. When you do a bad thing, you put a negative force into action in the universe, and eventually the same thing happens to you. Its a cause and effect relationship that rules our universe, according to Hinduism, as a person keeps reincarnating, his soul evolves gradually from his karma until he finally realises the god inside him and liberates. That's why there's no hell or heaven in Hinduism, because eventually everyone will become one with God.

            [–]TaazaPlaza -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Also, I'll have to add that what most call 'Hinduism' is a blanket term of sorts for a wide variety of Dharmic faiths and beliefs found in South Asia (and historically SE Asia). Unlike Abrahamic religions, there are no pillars of faith or infallible scriptures. The Gita is not followed by all 'sects' (IIRC Shaivites) and many books contradict each other. The 'path', if it were, is to pick out what appeals to you. In fact many sects reject idol worship, caste etc. 'Mainstream Hinduism' is the kind that follows the Gita and is usually non dualistic, regarding 'divine consciousness' as a part of everyone. It tends to be pretty pro vegetarian too. There are some pieces I've read that call sort of upper caste oriented, but the 'mainstream' view is far from the only one.

            The wide range of views sweep through 'hard' polytheism, to monotheism (with the other 'gods' actually just aspects of the major deity), to atheism.

            [–]RajaRajaC 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Are you looking at Hinduism 's history of the philosophy behind it?

            [–]Christian (Cross)adecentchristian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I haven't really yet, but I bookmarked some sites. Why, do you have some?

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I am not sure, I get most of my information from my family and my temple. If you specific questions you can ask me, if you know other Hindus you can ask them, or else you might just want to search about it on google. I get most of my information about Christianity and Islam from friends and internet research.

            [–]kreas4213 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I don't think your "hell" will affect me.

            From your perspective, this is one hundred percent correct, because you don't have a "Hell". However, try seeing it from our Christian perspective: Most of us DO believe in Hell. Most of us also believe that anyone who doesn't accept Christ as their saviour will be condemned to said "Hell". It is from THIS PERSPECTIVE that we go about trying to convert everyone. We do it out of compassion, even though some of us go about it the wrong way. We see you, interact with you, and then think to ourselves "oh HECK no, this guy is cool, I don't want to see him go to Hell!", and so we try to convert you. Again, I'm not speaking from my own opinions here, but trying to give you another way of looking at it.

            To answer your second question, why do we insult your religion? Well, most of us are fairly cool folks. On the other hand, some of us can be loud, overbearing and judgmental jerks. When a Christian comes to you and insults your religion, dude, just keep in mind that that isn't a Christianity thing. It isn't even a religion thing, it's just a jerk thing.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I know, I have responded to many other comments, who wanted to make sure I didn't think all Christians are rude. In my opinion most Christians are very nice people, I think the common person that doesn't wish harm on anyone is a very nice person. For me religion has nothing to do with how nice or rude a person is.

            [–]Christian (Cross)lju1977 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            You are subject to the same God everyone else is.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            How do you know that? Are you god? I didn't think so

            [–]Christian (Cross)lju1977 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            How do you know that? Are you god? I didn't think so

            Lol...you know that feeling that you got when you read what I wrote, and it made you angry?

            That's the home spirit, testifying to you that you will have to answer to the God of the universe and that you need Jesus 's sacrafice.

            Take care.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Lol...you know that feeling that you got when you read what I wrote, and it made you angry?

            lol angry, I am sorry I don't get offended by bigots. You on the other hand might be angry that I don't see "the right way" but, hey you think Jesus died for me lol.

            [–]Christian (Cross)WiseChoices -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            If your faith is so beneficial and genuine, do you not share it with others? Why have you not sent missionaries to us?

            [–]DrivenDogged 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The real reason is because Hinduism in its recent (last 1000 years) decay has become intensely ethnocentric because spiritual status meant social status, and just general xenophobia - the same human phenomena are readily observed in your Western institutions too.

            Now, the real reason is the same reason that the bedrock of your Abrahamic religions - Judaism - also disdains to convert you. Ethnocentrism.

            So you should ask yourself the same question. If the old testament religion upon which yours rests is so beneficial and genuine, why do they not share it with others? Why don't they send Jewish missionaries to you?

            Hm?

            [–]silversherry 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            ISKCON does exist in the west. But according of Hinduism, it doesn't matter what you call God, you can call him Allah or Jesus or Vishnu, you will still arrive at the same truth. There is one goal and many paths to attain it. Hindus don't see a point in shoving their beliefs down other's throats.

            [–]Christian (Cross)WiseChoices -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            That seems logical. If your god did not tell you to spread the word, then don't do it.

            Our God explained how important it is to get the message out. So we keep doing it. And it will probably keep happening.

            [–]rcha 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Then why do some of you fighting with muslims ? their god told kill any one who opposes them. And all of that is written in book just like yours or did your god personally told you ?

            [–]Christian (Cross)WiseChoices 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I am not sure that I understand. We resist evil because evil is evil. If people are being tortured, killed, or held in terrible suffering, I think it is right to fight for their freedom and protection. When we free people from evil, we set them free. We don't force them to become Christians. And we don't kill them because they won't change to our faith. What sense would that make? Belief is a choice. A decision in your heart. No one can force anyone to 'convert'. You may force them to mouth some words, but they would hate you and your god in their hearts.

            Some people who said that they were christians made that mistake a long time ago. It was wrong.

            [–]silversherry 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            You keep doing it in exchange for money? You'll keep convincing poor, gullible people that Hindu gods are part of Christianity? You do it by converting a Jesus figure to Ganesha? No one asked for your interference. You guys wonder why so many people hate Christianity nowadays? Its because of your intolerance and utter lack of respect for other's beliefs.

            [–]Christianakubhai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            if you believe they are all the same truth, why does it matter if they call themselves Hindu or Christian?

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            It's against our religious beliefs to convert people. Also people take things from our religion all the time like yoga, and meditation.

            [–]Christianakubhai -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Against what religious beliefs?

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            [–]Christian, Jesuist (Ichthys)frontier-psych 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This pains me, it really does. And Chick tracts don't help. I almost can't believe that they're serious.

            [–]SkiUMah23 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (15子コメント)

            Gospel needs to be taught not just caught. If we don't go to them how will they hear?

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            It can be taught but, you can't insult other people's beliefs because you believe you are right and they are wrong.

            [–]Christianakubhai 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

            No one in this thread has said the tactics were acceptable

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

            "If you've had the chance to hear about Jesus Christ or seek Him out and chose not to do so, or chose to ignore it, then yes, you will likely be condemned for that." -pinkunicorn53

            "Why are they judging? Christians see other gods in one of two ways. Either they are simply fake tales and superstitions, or they are evil spirits serving Satan, posing as gods to lead people away from salvation. Either way, their followers would be better off converted. So these missionaries think they are telling the truth, not judging." -lamrar

            "Ultimately, you don't make Jesus Lord and have faith, then you are not going to see heaven. These missionaries are more concerned with eternity rather than pleasing someone for a short time." - lju1977

            "It may not be nice to point out the futility of idolatry, but it is loving." - MichiganJFrog

            If you want more just look through the thread

            [–]Christianakubhai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            Are you saying that saying someone who isn't a Christian is going to hell is an insult to their beliefs?

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Again as I responded to you previous posts, I have grown up surrounded by Christians my whole life, so I have a negative association with being told that I will go to hell. Just like any normal person would

            [–]Christianakubhai 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            But that isn't insulting to Hinduism. You may feel insulted but if you step back, you will realize all differing beliefs are "insulting" in the same way.

            You believe Hinduism is right and Christianity is wrong. Christians believe Christianity is right and Hinduism is wrong. That isn't insulting, it just is.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            I don't believe any one is "right" or "wrong". What I find insulting is, insulting people's beliefs. I don't go around saying "oh you won't go to heaven, because you aren't a Hindu", there is no need to go around shove you beliefs down people's throats.

            [–]Christianakubhai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            If you don't believe Hinduism is right, why are you a Hindu?

            You don't believe in Heaven so you wouldn't say that.

            Saying someone isn't going to heaven (that they don't believe in) isn't shoving your beliefs down their throats

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            If you don't believe Hinduism is right, why are you a Hindu?

            For me it's not about being right or wrong, it about the way of life. Hinduism is the way of life for me, I enjoy it.

            You don't believe in Heaven so you wouldn't say that.

            I believe in an Heaven but I don't believe in a Hell (reincarnation). That's why I said "you won't go to Heaven" instead of "You will go to hell"

            Saying someone isn't going to heaven (that they don't believe in) isn't shoving your beliefs down their throats

            It kinda is

            [–]DrivenDogged 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "Seek and ye shall find." - Jesus, as reported by your bowdlerized gospels.

            You do not believe this?

            If people have proclivity for Christianity let them seek... it is not hard to find.

            [–]RajaRajaC 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            And you do this by denigrating, insulting and vilifying a 4,000 year old culture? One that was around long before Jesus was even a gleam in his father's eye

            [–]DrivenDogged -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Hi Raja... I still owe you a response to last month's PM, promise it will happen some day.

            Just wanted to ask here if you are aware of the hypothesis that Jesus was actually educated by by Hindu sramanas having made pilgrimage to India during his 17 "lost years" the Bible suspiciously fails to mention.

            There is some significant evidence, including in Bhavishya purana.

            If this is true, Jesus is but one more Hindu siddha/sant among the multitude, and Christianity is then the invention of "St" Paul, Irenaeus, Ignatius, et al., with Roman intervention to create their Christendom from the ashes of Empire.

            [–]Christian (Cross)WiseChoices -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            God commands Christians to take the message around the world. And how is that idolatry thing working out for you? Is there a wonderful result to allowing the 'god's to harm people for all of these generations? I don't see the point in having a transforming message and withholding it from people that are suffering under the hold of evil.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            And how is that idolatry thing working out for you?

            Pretty great, I would tell you to try it out but converting is against my religion :)

            Is there a wonderful result to allowing the 'god's to harm people for all of these generations?

            what are you talking about? People from my religion have never killed so many people over religion. Or started a conquest. So how about you, why did "god" let you kill all those people?

            [–]DrivenDogged 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Idolatry? It works wonders done right. Much better for us than for your madonna worshipers.

            [–]barwhack 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Not all Christians worship such idols. Some of us feel the idols are a treason, in fact...

            [–]DrivenDogged -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Have you ever asked yourself why idols are banned? Just 'cause Moses said so, right before slaughtering a bunch of idol worshipers, having temporarily forgotten that Thou Shalt Not Kill bit he'd been mouthing over a moment before?

            Who has given you such laws and what purpose do they ultimately serve?

            [–]barwhack 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I have asked that. Prophets speak as instruments of transcendent God. So Moses forbade such -it seems- because knowing such a God is barred by confining Him to1 a physical object.

            1 or even representing Him by

            [–]DrivenDogged [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

            So when Moses ordered the slaughter of the calf-worshipers, and then the slaughter (and rapine enslavement) of the Midianites, he is speaking as an instrument of your transcendent God?

            Also, how is it then that the most philosophically developed1 idea of a transcendent God appeared in an idol-worshiping culture?

            1 If you doubt this, I challenge you to read the brahma sutras or a single mukhya upanishad.

            [–]silversherry -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            How presumptuous of you. Idols are only used as means of concentration in Hinduism, a yogi or a person capable of meditation does not need to worship idols. Hinduism has contributed greatly to the world, it introduced yoga, meditation, ayurveda etc. Stem cell research, portrayal of a spherical earth etc it was all in the Hindu scriptures written in BC. You have zero basis to assume Christianity is better than Hinduism, so please stop shoving your beliefs into other people's faces.

            [–]barwhack -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (21子コメント)

            The tactic of calling idols 'satanic' MAY not be the most effective way of approaching that audience... Paul took a much softer tack to such, versus Elijah.

            Vocal elitism of ideas is a-Ok, beneficial, well-approved in the text, and mandatory for Christians. But egalitarianism and esteem of persons is also required. The point of this spiritual war is conversion: a death of the Old Bad Ideas, but a full restoration to bar-divinity of the newly reminted Human.

            [–]SeriouslyBlack -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (20子コメント)

            We don't want to be approached by you guys. Keep your god to yourself, no matter how great you think he is. Thank you!

            [–]Christianakubhai 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            There are clearly many folks who do or there would be no converts

            [–]Christianakubhai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Then why are you in /Christianity?

            [–]barwhack 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (17子コメント)

            You may speak for a "we", but inside information tells me that your "we" is NOT everyone. No worries though, the invitation is extended only to volunteers. You're in no danger of becoming a Christian against your will: there is no such Christian.

            [–]SeriouslyBlack 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

            Inside information from whom? Shady Evangelists who have no respect for our culture and dupe innocent people who don't know any better? You need a better source than that.

            [–]barwhack 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

            Are there Christians in India? historically? do they participate in Indian culture? Do they proselytize?

            [–]SeriouslyBlack -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (12子コメント)

            Answering a question with another question. Good job.

            [–]barwhack 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

            Ah. Oops. Inside information from history. I know there are Christians there, and that they are part of Indian culture; and that they proselytize. Thanks for the kudos.

            [–]rcha -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            Ah. Oops. Inside information from history'

            Are you sure about history ? because you believe earth is 5000 years old ? we believe universe with trillion of years in cycles .

            either way with so many pedo in church how are you so sure that what ever you know is even truth or your satan has not conquered all churches and playing games with you .

            [–]barwhack 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

            There is no guarantee that Satan is not at work in some particular group; there IS rather a guarantee that Satan IS working: Wherever He Can. The best missionaries are attempting to spread the message of God's love to combat just that.

            I'm not Catholic, btw. Just Christian: of the type that existed during the apostle's lives. Sureness? is a sliding scale. And it comes from investigation into history and examination of science and philosophy: but it is not wholly in any of them. And is never in fact achieved... doubt is always there to drive more investigation. Faith is a life-long endeavor.

            [–]rcha -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

            The best missionaries are attempting to spread the message of God's love to combat just that.

            A love that hate other culture and opinion ? God really works in mysterious ways .

            And is never in fact achieved

            But you believe in God and heaven based on book and what parents and society around you told . with no investigation no proof. Just because fear of hell .

            FYI : when you fear for something, you already submitted to satan, that includes your fear of eternal damnation for not believing in god.

            [–]IndianAmericanteen[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            You may speak for a "we", but inside information tells me that your "we" is NOT everyone.

            Our "we" contains a larger group of people than yours

            [–]barwhack 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Which is Ok. :)

            [–]United Methodisttuigdoilgheas -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Lots of us think we have something so amazing and so radical that we want to share it with our fellow people out of love. We do that in a spirit of service and humility and joy.

            Some of us think we have the right way and if we don't make others see, it will be our personal fault when people go to hell. Predictably, nothing rooted in fear makes people act right. And not acting right sure doesn't help their cause.