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[–]lamrar 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (127子コメント)

Why try to convert others?

We are commanded to make all people his disciples. That is the only way we can be sure they will be saved. Many missionaries have experienced the transforming power of Christ themselves, and want to help others achieve the same.

Why are they judging?

Christians see other gods in one of two ways. Either they are simply fake tales and superstitions, or they are evil spirits serving Satan, posing as gods to lead people away from salvation. Either way, their followers would be better off converted. So these missionaries think they are telling the truth, not judging.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (126子コメント)

That is still no excuse to go to another country that is predominantly Hindu and insult their religion. A religion that is A LOT older than Christianity.

Edit: spelling

[–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (12子コメント)

It definitely doesnt. It's disgusting that people would insult a group's culture and lifestyle that way. If you want to look at a really wonderful missionary who converted a ton of people while still respecting theur culture, I'd recommend reading about the life of Saint Herman of Alaska. He preached to the Inuits and converted them to Orthodoxy, all the while maintaining their culture and even protecting them from the rest of the russian settlers who were trying to kill them.

Just because we want to spread truth doesnt mean we get to crap all over someone else under the guise of "saving them". I'm terribly sorry people are acting this way in your home.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think you are a wonderful person, I know one person (I live in America) who wants to be a missionary herself (she is Mormon) and she is the nicest person I know. I understand that not all missionaries are like this but, it is still insulting to be told that I am a Satan Worshiper, just because I believe is something different.

[–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'd be pretty offended too. Just because that's what we might think is the case doesnt mean we should go spouting it off at people and putting them on the defensive.

[–]Christianakubhai -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Those tweets are rude.

But if you don't believe in Satan, why do you care if someone says you worship him?

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's a rude thing to say.

[–]Christianakubhai -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree which is why I said that to start with. You didn't answer my question though

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

why do you care if someone says you worship him?

As someone who is surrounded by Christians, I associate Satan worshiper or any other form of that word as a degrading personal attack.

[–]Christian, Jesuist (Ichthys)frontier-psych 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't believe in, say, Sauron, but saying that you worship an embodiment of evil itself could be considered offensive.

[–]RajaRajaC 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You are the only person here who gets this. Thank you. We Indians aren't saying don't convert, we are saying don't convert using foul means. If theologically you are able to conceive somebody...brilliant, the Indian constitution even protects this right but don't try ave trust this down our throats using money as bribes or lies as your basis.

[–]funkymunk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Convince*? Also, trust in place of thrust is just you mocking the pauwalla stereotype :P

[–]TaazaPlaza 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As an Indian who only recently found out what a pao walla is, I think it's safe to say it's a Mumbai exclusive stereotype.

[–]funkymunk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True. Some Goans use it as well.

[–]Christianakubhai -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This thread is bringing in all the Indians.

There are definitely many in India who say don't convert at all. There are even parts of India that are trying to legislate this.

[–]Episcopalian (Anglican)a_p_carter_year_b 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (27子コメント)

God told us to try to convert others, so we do. I am sorry that some are insulting your religion.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (21子コメント)

I personally don't understand the conversion part (it's against my religion) but, I don't think it's bad. The only part I don't like is when people feel the need to insult other religions. Also taking advantage of the people in need, I know a lot of missionaries provide actual help but, there are a few that just give false promises.

[–]animebodypillow -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

when did she say that?

[–]Episcopalian (Anglican)a_p_carter_year_b 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

When did who say what? I don't understand.

[–]animebodypillow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

when did god tell us to try to convert others?

[–]Episcopalian (Anglican)a_p_carter_year_b 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Almost two thousand years ago.

[–]Christian (Cross)lju1977 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (44子コメント)

Ultimately, you don't make Jesus Lord and have faith, then you are not going to see heaven.

These missionaries are more concerned with eternity rather than pleasing someone for a short time.

[–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (12子コメント)

How far does that go? Is it okay to torture people into converting, because after all worldy torture pales in comparison to the torture of Hell, you know? We're more concerned with eternity than making people feel good for a short amount of time.

[–]Southern Baptistimgladimnothim -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (11子コメント)

No, it ain't ok to torture. It breaks the love your neighbor as your self rule

[–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

And being mean to them doesnt break that rule?

[–]Christian (Cross)NotJustBread 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah it does. I don't think OP was suggesting that being mean was acceptable just giving the logic for it.

[–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Justifying it means giving reasons for it being acceptable. That line of thinking is dangerous. Thats how we got Jesuits priests torturing people into conversion.

[–]Christian (Cross)NotJustBread 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No he is explaining their logic, he is not accepting it or justifying it.

[–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess you and I just read it differently.

[–]Christianakubhai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was answering the topic question, not addressing the links

[–]BaptistMichigan__J__Frog -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The standard isn't "niceness", but love. It may not be nice to point out the futility of idolatry, but it is loving.

[–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What matters is how that is pointed out. And no, I do not believe the manner than was chosen is loving at all. Having the truth does not mean we have free reign to say whatever we want and to hurt people and call that "loving."

[–]BaptistMichigan__J__Frog 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're talking about the "stupid snake god" guy I would agree. After all he said this behind their backs which betrays his sense of superiority and condescension towards those he's preaching to.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It may not be nice to point out the futility of idolatry, but it is loving.

Just because you think it's futile, doesn't mean it is. You don't know if you are right and you are in no position to impose your views on others.

*you should also read silversherry's response

[–]silversherry -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The futility of idolatry? Can you show any results that Christian ways have been more helpful in spiritual liberation than idolatry? In Hinduism, idols are used strictly as concentration tools, a yogi or a person who can meditate well does not need idols. Many yogis in the mountains of india don't worship idols. Idols are a means to direct your energy and concentrate it. The chants around idols and bells create a positive vibration and an environment suitable for spiritual growth. This has all been proven, so stop pushing your beliefs on others. All Hindu traditions have scientific meaning behind them. That's why there was never a science vs religion fiasco in Hinduism.

Hinduism propagates idol worship more than any other religion. Researchers say that this was initiated for the purpose of increasing concentration during prayers. According to psychiatrists, a man will shape his thoughts as per what he sees. If you have 3 different objects in front of you, your thinking will change according to the object you are viewing. Similarly, in ancient India, idol worship was established so that when people view idols it is easy for them to concentrate to gain spiritual energy and meditate without mental diversion

[–]RajaRajaC 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

So it is okay to come into my home, bribe me with money, false promises (including stuff like, I will cure you of cancer if you will accept Jesus), calling Hindu Gods as the devil, rapists and inhumane, and after conversion forcing you to convert (if you are a woman, including denying sex to your husband) family members....all this is acceptable? What kind of sick morality does Christianity instill in you folks?

[–]Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley)shannondoah 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Did you notice this poster's comment karma?

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

My karma?

[–]Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley)shannondoah 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No. lju1977's.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh yeah, s/he has very radical views. Not surprised.

[–]Christian (Cross)lju1977 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I would say that those a not biblical evangelism techniques, and not ones that I or the people I know would use.

However, belivers have been command to share the gospel with the list. It's not optional

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (24子コメント)

What if I and any other person who is not Christian (Hindus, Muslims, Buddhist) doesn't want to be saved? What if we have have a different perception of what "Heaven" is? What gives you the right to "save my soul"?

[–]Lead your family to the throne daily for mercy and grace.HeyArnoldPalmer- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

So are you saying that we shouldn't try talking to you about Jesus because we don't know whether or not you want to know Jesus? That's a little bit silly, isn't it?

You're free to make your own decisions, and simply being not interested is enough to make most people move along.

I wonder, are there people who are both good and bad people in the Hindu faith? Is there only one type of Hinduism? Well the same things are true of Christianity. Each person has their own beliefs, and each sect of Christianity believes a certain thing.

What I'm saying is, don't assume because they come in the name of Christ that they are actually of Christ.

But yes, we're called by the Bible to bring our faith to all nations. And I think the true message we have is actually very beautiful and I know that God answers prayers and works miracles in the heart of men and women worldwide.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I am not saying you can't talk to us about Jesus, but condemning me to "hell" because I am not Christian, isn't going to make me like you more.

[–]Christianakubhai 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The person talking to you isn't condemning you. If you don't believe in hell, why does it matter?

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's a cultural thing. Like I wouldn't be offended if someone said I was going to Jahannam (Islamic Hell), because I don't really associate anything with the word.

[–]Christianakubhai 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So why associate anything with Christian hell?

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because of who I was surrounded by as a child, most of my friends are Christians and they have that association with that word so I began to subconsciously associate it as well.

[–]Christian (Cross)lju1977 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Then you choose hell (as in eternal suffering in the lake of fire), of your own free will.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I don't think your "hell" will affect me. I am Hindu we have Heaven, but we don't have Hell. We don't leave our people to suffer for eternity. They get reincarnated and get another chance instead of punishing them forever.

[–]Christian (Cross)adecentchristian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Interesting. This certainly seems more loving.

Do you have any links or books you'd recommend for learning more about Hinduism?

[–]silversherry 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can read the English version of the Hindu scripture 'Bhagavat gita'. Its available online I think. The basis of Hinduism is that there is only one truth and it can be attained in many ways. No matter what religion or path you choose, you will arrive at the same truth. In other words, we can worship god in a number of names, we can call him Allah or Jesus or Vishnu but at the end, people of all religions will arrive at the same truth.

According to Hinduism, god is not separate from his creation, all things in this world are god. All humans, irrespective of their religions, are God. A human soul is reincarnated again and again till we realise the god inside us and become one with him. Every single soul on this earth, whether human or animal, will have the same fate. I suggest you read the wiki page for Hinduism.

[–]Christian (Cross)adecentchristian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow, I really like that. That actually makes the most sense to me and has been my general feeling for a long time now.

[–]silversherry 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup :) You can PM me if you have any questions regarding it. I suggest you look up the wiki page, it is the oldest religion on earth and dates back to 10000BC.

Also, we don't have the concept of heaven or hell in Hinduism. Karma is a concept that came from Hinduism. Its the basis of our religion. When you do a bad thing, you put a negative force into action in the universe, and eventually the same thing happens to you. Its a cause and effect relationship that rules our universe, according to Hinduism, as a person keeps reincarnating, his soul evolves gradually from his karma until he finally realises the god inside him and liberates. That's why there's no hell or heaven in Hinduism, because eventually everyone will become one with God.

[–]TaazaPlaza -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, I'll have to add that what most call 'Hinduism' is a blanket term of sorts for a wide variety of Dharmic faiths and beliefs found in South Asia (and historically SE Asia). Unlike Abrahamic religions, there are no pillars of faith or infallible scriptures. The Gita is not followed by all 'sects' (IIRC Shaivites) and many books contradict each other. The 'path', if it were, is to pick out what appeals to you. In fact many sects reject idol worship, caste etc. 'Mainstream Hinduism' is the kind that follows the Gita and is usually non dualistic, regarding 'divine consciousness' as a part of everyone. It tends to be pretty pro vegetarian too. There are some pieces I've read that call sort of upper caste oriented, but the 'mainstream' view is far from the only one.

The wide range of views sweep through 'hard' polytheism, to monotheism (with the other 'gods' actually just aspects of the major deity), to atheism.

[–]RajaRajaC 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you looking at Hinduism 's history of the philosophy behind it?

[–]Christian (Cross)adecentchristian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't really yet, but I bookmarked some sites. Why, do you have some?

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am not sure, I get most of my information from my family and my temple. If you specific questions you can ask me, if you know other Hindus you can ask them, or else you might just want to search about it on google. I get most of my information about Christianity and Islam from friends and internet research.

[–]kreas4213 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think your "hell" will affect me.

From your perspective, this is one hundred percent correct, because you don't have a "Hell". However, try seeing it from our Christian perspective: Most of us DO believe in Hell. Most of us also believe that anyone who doesn't accept Christ as their saviour will be condemned to said "Hell". It is from THIS PERSPECTIVE that we go about trying to convert everyone. We do it out of compassion, even though some of us go about it the wrong way. We see you, interact with you, and then think to ourselves "oh HECK no, this guy is cool, I don't want to see him go to Hell!", and so we try to convert you. Again, I'm not speaking from my own opinions here, but trying to give you another way of looking at it.

To answer your second question, why do we insult your religion? Well, most of us are fairly cool folks. On the other hand, some of us can be loud, overbearing and judgmental jerks. When a Christian comes to you and insults your religion, dude, just keep in mind that that isn't a Christianity thing. It isn't even a religion thing, it's just a jerk thing.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know, I have responded to many other comments, who wanted to make sure I didn't think all Christians are rude. In my opinion most Christians are very nice people, I think the common person that doesn't wish harm on anyone is a very nice person. For me religion has nothing to do with how nice or rude a person is.

[–]Christian (Cross)lju1977 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You are subject to the same God everyone else is.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

How do you know that? Are you god? I didn't think so

[–]Christian (Cross)lju1977 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

How do you know that? Are you god? I didn't think so

Lol...you know that feeling that you got when you read what I wrote, and it made you angry?

That's the home spirit, testifying to you that you will have to answer to the God of the universe and that you need Jesus 's sacrafice.

Take care.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lol...you know that feeling that you got when you read what I wrote, and it made you angry?

lol angry, I am sorry I don't get offended by bigots. You on the other hand might be angry that I don't see "the right way" but, hey you think Jesus died for me lol.

[–]lamrar -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (28子コメント)

It kinda is though, if the Hindu religion is false and Christianity is true. The missionaries are not being intentionally insulting, they believe that they are helping these people realize the truth.

I disagree with the methods you refer to in your OP, they seem counter-productive and disrespectful. However, I do agree with the goal of converting Hindus to Christianity.

Also, age doesn't make a religion true, and Hinduism has changed so much over the milennia that it's debatable whether the current religion is older than Christianity.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Though I agree with, age doesn't make a religion true, there is no debate that Hinduism is the oldest religion still practiced today. As for changes in the religion, there are changes in all religions, even Christianity.

It kinda is though, if the Hindu religion is false and Christianity is true.

That still doesn't give you or anyone else any right to insult anyone's beliefs. As for saving people, I don't think people want to be saved.

[–]lamrar 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Though I agree with, age doesn't make a religion true, there is no debate that Hinduism is the oldest religion still practiced today.

Hinduism is a lot more diverse and has changed a lot more than Christianity. The change fusion of Bhakti into the Vedic religion for example, is almost as serious great as the change from Judaism to Christianity. The Vedic religion practiced by the Aryans was very different from the religion practiced by Hindus today.

That still gives you or anyone else any right to insult anyone's beliefs.

Freedom of speech gives them that right. Like I said, I don't think they are doing it on purpose, though I don't agree with their methods. Hindus insult Christians too, e.g. by claiming that the Christian God is just one aspect of Brahman, etc.

As for saving people, I don't think people want to be saved.

Christianity is growing fast in India, so apparently many people do.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Hindus insult Christians too, e.g. by claiming that the Christian God is just one aspect of Brahman, etc.

not a common thing (first time I have heard about but, then again I don't live in India)

Christianity is growing fast in India, so apparently many people do.

I don't know if you looked at any of those links but, most people convert for money since they are promised food or money for medicine if they covert. It's not because they want to be saved.

Hinduism is a lot more diverse and has changed a lot more than Christianity.

Christianity is not the same as demonstrated by many of the sects present today. Each one which has a different interpretation of the Bible. The bible which has been translated many times and many people speculate does not hold the original meaning because of being mistranslated.

[–]lamrar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (19子コメント)

not a common thing (first time I have heard about but, then again I don't live in India

I don't think it's very common, and it's mostly happens with "westernized" forms of Hinduism (e.g. Vivekananda).

I don't know if you looked at any of those links but, most people convert for money since they are promised food or money for medicine if they covert. It's not because they want to be saved.

That's not what your links said. They said some people converted for money. "Not all of [the missionaries engage in such practices], mind you. Not the intrepid souls who work selflessly to help the poor, the afflicted, and the illiterate, in the spirit of their savior's exhortation to serve "the least of these." Such missionaries have been welcome in India for centuries, and the Hindus I spoke to are grateful for their good works."

"I don't know if these egregious actions are commonplace or rarities."

Christianity is not the same as demonstrated by many of the sects present today. Each one which has a different interpretation of the Bible. The bible which has been translated many times and many people speculate does not hold the original meaning because of being mistranslated.

The main branch of Christianity, Roman Catholicism, has changed surprisingly little, and encompasses a much narrower range of practices and traditions than Hinduism. Some scholars argue that Hinduism wasn't seen as a unified tradition until Islam brought the need to define the native practices.

However, if we define a Hindu as a person who believes the Vedas to be revelation, and a Christian as someone who believes the Bible to be the same, then Hinduism is certainly older by at least 1300 years.

[–]chantuaurbantu 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

the problem is "Intention".. why don't they use their effort to help people in mexico or any other poor christian country? They probably need more help than India. Because they are already christians??

all the missionary activities in india is doing nothing but creating social imbalance in india.. it can end up in extremism and deaths..

why do you think the number of christians is going down drastically in the west?? if your own people are having doubts on their faith, why not waste more energy at your own home instead of your neighbors??

[–]lamrar -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

the problem is "Intention".. why don't they use their effort to help people in mexico or any other poor christian country? They probably need more help than India. Because they are already christians??

There are many Christians helping poor people in Mexico. However, missionaries do not only want to save lives, they also want to save souls. Like I said, we/they believe it would be good for everyone to become Christian.

all the missionary activities in india is doing nothing but creating social imbalance in india.. it can end up in extremism and deaths..

What do you mean by "social imbalance"?

why do you think the number of christians is going down drastically in the west?? if your own people are having doubts on their faith, why not waste more energy at your own home instead of your neighbors??

The decline is a lot less drastic than most people think, and I think it is caused by our materialistic society defining people as consumers first, sending everyone on a futile quest to get a well-paying job to by the highest amount of stuff we really don't need. Also, the improvements in science since the 1700s have instilled us with a certain hubris.

[–]chantuaurbantu 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

well well.. how do you justify such a belief that says "it's good for everyone to become christian?" Why not have a belief like "live and let live"??

anyway, that intention of converting people has probably killed so many people who would have not been killed otherwise.. muslims have the same "intention". they think "allah is the only god".. and that results in lot of violence.. the intention in christianity is no different, but they use the power of money (used to be violence before)...

just because you think that your beliefs are true, it doesn't give you the right to interfere with others' lives.. and if you think you have the right to interfere, then muslims are justified as well since they should also have the right to interfere with others' lives if you do..

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (15子コメント)

it's mostly happens with "westernized" forms of Hinduism (e.g. Vivekananda)

probably, I am not familiar with Vivekananda

That's not what your links said. They said some people converted for money.

Most people don't convert, because they suddenly had an epiphany.

" Such missionaries have been welcome in India for centuries, and the Hindus I spoke to are grateful for their good works."

There is a reason India has been taken over a few times. We welcome everyone.

The main branch of Christianity, Roman Catholicism, has changed surprisingly little

there are many branches, not just one, which shows many people interpreted the bible differently.

[–]lamrar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Most people don't convert, because they suddenly had an epiphany.

There is a middle ground between epiphanies and the unscrupulous practices you describe. Most people probably convert for the same reasons people have converted to Christianity for millenia: they realize the truth in the Word and the examples of Christians.

there are many branches, not just one, which shows many people interpreted the bible differently.

True. But the main branches (Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy), encompassing approx. 70% of Christians, have a much narrower range of practices and beliefs than e.g. Vaishnavism. These branches have also been remarkably consistent since their conception as opposed to the discrepancy between traditional Vedic religion and modern Vaishnavism.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Most people probably convert for the same reasons people have converted to Christianity for millenia: they realize the truth in the Word and the examples of Christians.

Most people converted because of religious oppression. Especially in Europe. Has nothing to do with the truth.

encompassing approx. 70% of Christians, have a much narrower range of practices and beliefs

Not true since practices seem to differ greatly between Catholics and other sects. I am just basing this off of what I have heard when Christians from different sects discuss church.

[–]silversherry 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

How do you know Hinduism is false and Christianity is true? You have no basis to assume that.

[–]Christianakubhai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he didn't assume that, why would he be a Christian?

[–]lamrar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's why I said "if the Hindu religion is false and Christianity is true". While I do not know it in the empirical sense (as the term is often used these days), there are several good reasons to assume this. However, I did not intend this to be a debate on the truth of Christianity/Hinduism - the point is that the missionaries are not converting people for fun or for any nefarious purposes, they believe people have one chance to avoid damnation, and are therefore desperately trying to save them.

Again: I do not agree with their methods.

[–]silversherry 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alright, sorry, my mistake.

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

there are several good reasons to assume this

what are those reasons? not looking to start an argument just wondering.

[–]Christian (Cross)WiseChoices -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

If your faith is so beneficial and genuine, do you not share it with others? Why have you not sent missionaries to us?

[–]DrivenDogged 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The real reason is because Hinduism in its recent (last 1000 years) decay has become intensely ethnocentric because spiritual status meant social status, and just general xenophobia - the same human phenomena are readily observed in your Western institutions too.

Now, the real reason is the same reason that the bedrock of your Abrahamic religions - Judaism - also disdains to convert you. Ethnocentrism.

So you should ask yourself the same question. If the old testament religion upon which yours rests is so beneficial and genuine, why do they not share it with others? Why don't they send Jewish missionaries to you?

Hm?

[–]silversherry 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

ISKCON does exist in the west. But according of Hinduism, it doesn't matter what you call God, you can call him Allah or Jesus or Vishnu, you will still arrive at the same truth. There is one goal and many paths to attain it. Hindus don't see a point in shoving their beliefs down other's throats.

[–]Christian (Cross)WiseChoices -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That seems logical. If your god did not tell you to spread the word, then don't do it.

Our God explained how important it is to get the message out. So we keep doing it. And it will probably keep happening.

[–]rcha 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then why do some of you fighting with muslims ? their god told kill any one who opposes them. And all of that is written in book just like yours or did your god personally told you ?

[–]Christian (Cross)WiseChoices 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am not sure that I understand. We resist evil because evil is evil. If people are being tortured, killed, or held in terrible suffering, I think it is right to fight for their freedom and protection. When we free people from evil, we set them free. We don't force them to become Christians. And we don't kill them because they won't change to our faith. What sense would that make? Belief is a choice. A decision in your heart. No one can force anyone to 'convert'. You may force them to mouth some words, but they would hate you and your god in their hearts.

Some people who said that they were christians made that mistake a long time ago. It was wrong.

[–]silversherry 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You keep doing it in exchange for money? You'll keep convincing poor, gullible people that Hindu gods are part of Christianity? You do it by converting a Jesus figure to Ganesha? No one asked for your interference. You guys wonder why so many people hate Christianity nowadays? Its because of your intolerance and utter lack of respect for other's beliefs.

[–]Christianakubhai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if you believe they are all the same truth, why does it matter if they call themselves Hindu or Christian?

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's against our religious beliefs to convert people. Also people take things from our religion all the time like yoga, and meditation.

[–]Christianakubhai -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Against what religious beliefs?

[–]IndianAmericanteen[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hinduism