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[–]genericname1231What the fuck is going on? I don't understand any of this shit. -17 ポイント-16 ポイント-15 ポイント 1 日 前 (26子コメント)
Ebonics is not a dialect.
[–]ASunCame 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 1 日 前 (20子コメント)
Why not? It has rules like other dialects (there are linguistics papers out there on it).
[+]genericname1231What the fuck is going on? I don't understand any of this shit. スコアが基準値未満のコメント-34 ポイント-33 ポイント-32 ポイント 1 日 前 (19子コメント)
I don't give a fuck.
It is NOT a language.
It's a collection of ENGLISH WORDS that have been BUTCHERED by mush mouthed lazy retards
GIB ME DAT
I DINDU NUTTIN
I CAN HAVE
that's not a language
That's stupidity and laziness
[–]ASunCame 33 ポイント34 ポイント35 ポイント 1 日 前 (18子コメント)
Oh please. You guys are guilty of the same stupid, emotional reasoning as the people you make fun of. Your reply has 0 substance to it. You've basically said nothing other than "it's not a dialect because it's not a dialect because it's stupid!"
Language evolves. It has since the beginning. There are transcripts of people complaining about the same shit you're complaining about (young people using the language "wrong"), written in English so archaic it's not readable by English speakers today. Dialects emerge based on class, location, race, etc. That's how French, Italian, Spanish, and other romance languages formed from Latin. People back then were bitching about it too. Now French is considered a "high brow" language. There's no inherent goodness or badness in the words and syllables that make it up, just attitudes that society has towards it. Every single word in your reply was "butchered" from whatever its previous version was. And guess what? It's gonna change again, because somebody's dialect will use it or spell it a little differently. This is a feature of all living languages.
It's funny how people usually have no problem accepting dialects besides AAVE/ebonics. Nobody says that Scottish English isn't a dialect, but just consistently mispronounced American English. Nobody has a problem with the fact that vowels are pronounced differently all the place even just within America. I've never heard anybody say with a straight face that "coche" is the correct way to say car in Spanish, and "carro" is just a "butchering" of the correct word. If I wrote out "give me the cahh keys", I might get replies and upvotes from other Bostonians who found it charming. But the second anybody brings up AAVE around here, everybody flies off the handle about how it's not correct.
GIB ME DAT I DINDU NUTTIN I CAN HAVE
It's funny, all you've done is write out the way you think black people sound when they talk. Examples 1 and 3 aren't even grammatically incorrect in standard English. 2 has negative concord, which is used by people of all races (though yes, it is a feature of AAVE. And of many other languages like French, Spanish, and Greek).
[–]nonneb 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I've never heard anybody say with a straight face that "coche" is the correct way to say car in Spanish, and "carro" is just a "butchering" of the correct word.
Thank you for taking to time to write out such a good response, but I have to say I've heard exactly this in Spanish, from multiple Spaniards. Or rather, that words like "carro" and "celular" aren't real words, and Latin Americans can't speak Spanish.
[–]ASunCame [非表示スコア] 9 分 前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, as I typed that out I realized some people probably do have that very attitude. English speakers with no attachment towards either term can hopefully see how silly it is to squabble over which word is better, and apply that to this argument.
[+]genericname1231What the fuck is going on? I don't understand any of this shit. スコアが基準値未満のコメント-38 ポイント-37 ポイント-36 ポイント 1 日 前* (14子コメント)
You clearly have no idea how negros talk.
I suggest you take your liberal bitch ass and go live in a ghetto for a year.
As soon as you nignogs are done removing the NP from the NP link could you kindly kill yourselves?
[–]DBCrumpetsPoC: Patriarch of Constantinople[M] 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 1 日 前 (2子コメント)
Don't be a dick.
[+]genericname1231What the fuck is going on? I don't understand any of this shit. スコアが基準値未満のコメント-25 ポイント-24 ポイント-23 ポイント 1 日 前 (1子コメント)
I'm being honest.
Blacks invaded this nice white neighborhood I used to live in and they talk exactly like I posted up there.
[–]Taraiph [非表示スコア] 33 分 前 (0子コメント)
Damn. Went straight to being a dick.
[–]arctivate 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 1 日 前 (5子コメント)
Poor whites in the American South don't have a dialect by that logic. English Chavs, the Irish, and the Scottish don't either.
By your logic there's no such thing as a dialect and the only logical way to speak english is in the original olde english fashion.
edwyrpung sócn scilling æt þes
[–]ASunCame 24 ポイント25 ポイント26 ポイント 1 日 前 (4子コメント)
It's always the English spoken in OP's city, in the current year, by people of the same race and class as the OP, that just happens to be the superior form of English. Remarkable, really.
[–]TzcarChameleon-kin, karma/karma/chameleon -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 日 前 (3子コメント)
But would Chav English or AAVE be acceptable at an academic level? (Outside of a linguistics class)
[–]ASunCame 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 1 日 前 (0子コメント)
For the most part no, it wouldn't. At the academic level we usually all agree on standard academic English. Regional and class dialects are used in colloquial speech.
[–]grammatiker 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 5 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Does that matter? Different forms of language (termed social registers) are used for different situations. That fact does not preclude the legitimacy of other dialects used in other situations. We all grow up acquiring a specific regional variation of a language. What we learn in school is not anyone's native dialect of English; it's a literary standard that is useful for formal settings but is not the "one true English."
Think of what we call a language, like English, to not really be a coherent thing (because it isn't). What we call English is actually a vast collection of mutually intelligible dialects, differences between which can be found at virtually any analyzable level of societal organization -- from individuals, to families, to speech communities, to cities, to regions, to countries. "English" is just a pattern of shared consensus, but doesn't have to be a universal consensus.
[–]TzcarChameleon-kin, karma/karma/chameleon -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yes it does because that means that in the context of formal speaking (IE: school work, publications, most newspaper articles) it wouldn't be considered appropriate.
I know that a language includes multiple different dialects, however, the goal of language is to present your ideas in a way that they might be easily understood to your audience. Clearly if I were talking to my friend I use different language than if I were talking to my professor in the context of a research paper.
I'm just pointing out that formally speaking Chav English, Southern Drawl, Ebonics, are not considered acceptable formats of speaking in academic context. Moreover, (except in select contexts) people, even in an informal scenario, are not generally going to understand so it's usually helpful to tailor your language such that it will be better understood by others (assuming of course that is the intention).
[–]ASunCame 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 1 日 前 (0子コメント)
Whatever dude. I hope you grow up some day and lose this shitty attitude.
[–]Wark_Kweh 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 日 前 (0子コメント)
Jiminy Tits!
You really don't understand any of this shit, do you?
[–]kingofquave 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
This is 2015, not fucking 1943. Get your fucking act together, people have different accents and dialects and that's okay. Someone may have a different hue to their skin, but it doesn't make you better because you are not the same.
I suggest you take your liberal bitch ass and go live in a ghetto for a year. As soon as you nignogs are done removing the NP from the NP link could you kindly kill yourselves?
So, how is stating facts about how language works a "liberal bitch ass" thing to do? If thinking that people of all races are equal is liberal, I don't want to live in this world. I want to live in a world where race inequality is nonexistent and even those who are even more messed up as you still don't think that way.
"Nignogs". Could you be more of a dick? "kill yourselves" Godamnit. People have problems with that shit.
Go be racist somewhere else. I'm sure the KKK would take you, they're almost as close-minded as you.
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[–]genericname1231What the fuck is going on? I don't understand any of this shit. -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 1 日 前 (0子コメント)
In case there was any doubt over whether you were actually stupid...
[+]hexxytvCounter-Terrorist Kin[S] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-16 ポイント-15 ポイント-14 ポイント 1 日 前 (0子コメント)
to quate a post I made about a week ago:
For example, the struggle for the recognition of the gramatical legitimacy of African American Vernacular English has been hampered by historical resistance by english dictionaries to include AAVE as acceptable usage MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROPER ENGLISH no matter how hard you try to justify it, slapping a term on it, and saying it's because they're black (that's essentially what AAVE is saying) is racist. I've met well spoken black people, and poorly spoken white people. There is no excuse for ignorance, and that is what this is.
For example, the struggle for the recognition of the gramatical legitimacy of African American Vernacular English has been hampered by historical resistance by english dictionaries to include AAVE as acceptable usage
MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROPER ENGLISH no matter how hard you try to justify it, slapping a term on it, and saying it's because they're black (that's essentially what AAVE is saying) is racist. I've met well spoken black people, and poorly spoken white people. There is no excuse for ignorance, and that is what this is.
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[–]TzcarChameleon-kin, karma/karma/chameleon 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 1 日 前 (1子コメント)
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That is worthy of my will. PM me your legal name.
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