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[–]Trottimusserjonsnow 153 ポイント154 ポイント  (28子コメント)

This is just stupid now.

[–]sneakyspriggs 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (27子コメント)

I'm not really sure what Simon is having a dig at TB for, but it's just ridiculous for someone in such a major entertainment company to do something like this. Regardless of his views (which he is totally free to have), blatantly calling someone names like this is so childish, and has also now ruined the previously great friendship between these two groups, for no reason AT ALL. Really disappointed in Simon.

[–]gingerdeer 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Eh, I'm pretty sure TB stated that he hasn't had a working relationship with Yogscast for a while now. He's quite clearly 'having a dig' at TB for his constant vocal outpouring of support for Gamergate, and I honestly think it's fine for him to lash back out. A lot of people ignore the stuff TB says by virtue of him being TB, but I personally like that Simon isn't afraid to get angry about something, or someone, and show that actually, there are people out there who are anti-GG. But either way, this wasn't ruining the relationship, the relationship was gone a long time ago.

[–]sneakyspriggs 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do get your point, and I certainly am fine with Simon's opinion being different to TB's, and him disagreeing with him. BUT, using both of their very public Twitter accounts to do it with is NOT the right way to do it. TB himself tweeted about this the last time Simon did this (In Jan I think, I forget), and asked Simon to Skype him (as they are contacts on there) if he wanted to discuss it, instead Simon just slings shit publicly. That's what I don't like here.

[–]Sipsbungay 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

can you explain where gamergate comes in here? I've read all the twitter posts, and it seems like tb was just criticizing a thor comic and simon went off on it. not doubting that gg might be an underlying issue, just having trouble seeing the relation in this instance.

[–]sneakyspriggs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's kind of what I thought, though I don't really "get" GG anymore anyway. I kind of understood it at the start, but it seems now like if you say you don't like anything on the net and you get called an "MRA" or "GG Apologist". Maybe I'm missing something

[–]Cataphract1014 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

A segment of gamergate is fighting against people attempting to censor things they don't like(Skimpy armor, no minorities in games) in games.

Years ago the same people attacked the comic book industry and they caved. So now that portion of gamergate is trying to let comics be able to make things that some people find offensive.

[–]NudoJudo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Thor comic apparently references the meme "It's actually about ethics in blank(gaming journalism)" which mocks the whole GamerGate kerfuffle.

[–]sneakyspriggs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If so that seems a bit childish of the comic creator, and I guess I can see why TB didn't like it, but I guess also why Simon didn't like THAT. Still to me, the whole GG thing (both sides) seems totally pointless at this point.

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    [–]20: Datlof Remembers!Toonlink246 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh bloody hell not this drama again...

    [–]RidgedogRescue_the_innocent[S] 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    And for some good news, at least Sips will still be on the Co-Optional Podcast, for those of us who are fans of both parties.

    [–]SipsGreenlandys 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I'm really glad it hasn't affected TB's relationship with (most of) the other yogs.

    [–]TweetsInCommentsBot 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    If it makes you feel any better Sips will still be on the podcast in a couple of weeks. There is no beef there.

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    [–]TheLeviathong 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Wonder if Sips is growing a disgusting beard like last time.

    The "moving house" beard.

    [–]Sipseipiteo 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There is no such thing as a disgusting beard, only a beautiful beard waiting to emerge from its chrysalis.

    [–]SipsILIKEGAMESOK 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't feel like Simon is treating all of this in a mature manner, whether TB is in the wrong or not. It's silly really that this is happening and I wish it wasn't. Not sure how that will go down here but there we go.

    [–]SipsBrownwing 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    I'm sick of Simon on twitter at this point. I used to find him genuinely funny on the YogPod and I would watch every Yogscast video religiously, now I cringe when I read his twitter and try to avoid any and all videos with him in since he's turned into a screaming man-child.

    All the Yogs vs TB drama has been genuinely saddening since I loved their Magicka collab from a few years back and hoped they'd do more since that was my first exposure to TB.

    [–]8: Lewis's Dad is coming to townBright-Spark 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Same here, I only got to see a lot of people I am now subbed to from collabs featuring Lewis and Simon, including but not limited to Jesse Cox, Martyn, Sips and HAT Films.

    Also, I still enjoy Simon's antics in the videos every now and then, but his behavior on Twitter... it's almost like he is seeking for attention, which - to be frank - he doesn't need. The Yogscast is one of the biggest gaming-related channels out there!

    I seriously have the feeling like Simon is turning into the Jeremy Clarkson of the group. A bit daft (or at least his persona is), jolly good fun to watch, but keeps causing public outrages.

    So better don't let him wait if he wants a hot meal...

    [–]jsz 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Finally someone who I share a viewpoint with. I honestly avoid nearly every video on the main channel now because I assume Simon is in them. I stopped following him on Twitter over a year ago.

    [–]SipsBrownwing 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I still watch some, most recently Besiege since I love the game and the videos were genuinely funny, but for the most part I'm just a Sips and Hat Films guy these days.

    It's funny really, I believe Yogventures genuinely was imagined as a good thing for everyone and that the kickstarter failure was the fault of an inexperienced dev, yet after all that Simons twitter is the thing that begins to sour my opinion of the Yogscast.

    [–]Trottimusserjonsnow 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The recent Lucky Block videos have been awesome. It's just been Lewis one-on-one with a bunch of guests.

    [–]SipsBrownwing 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah I've watched a few of them, they're fun but I think I'm burnt out on minecraft for a while.

    [–]SocialCola 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    yeah no simon already makes it better.

    [–]Xanny -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Reading these comments makes me happy I never got "into" twitter, for mostly ethical reasons (its a proprietary locked down platform and protocol completely under Twitter Inc's control, whereas I'd only support open technologies like Identica or StatusNet).

    Sounds like you kill your own hype and fanfare when you hear their every thought regurgitated online.

    [–]carinface 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Honestly, this is exactly why i unsubbed from the main channel. agree 100%.

    [–]1killer911 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    So I'm a bit out of the loop, can I get a TL:DR of what's going on? I haven't been keeping up with anything recently so this is kind of blindsiding me as I didn't really expect anything like this from a member of the Yogscast.

    [–]SipsBrownwing 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    This most recent fracas was because TB criticised the writers of the latest issue of Loki for using the "actually it's about x in y" meme in an actual comic book, Simon apparently disagreed and refuted his criticism with the tweet in question, but there's been shit bubbling between Simon and TB for a while now.

    [–]1killer911 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    So Simon went from "I disagree about them using this in a comic" to "crying pissbaby" in one tweet flat? Thats... Kind of depressing honestly.

    [–]SipsBrownwing 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not quite, he and TB have been passively agressively shit sling for months, Gamergate and Yogventures really made shit hit the fan for them both.

    [–]SipsChawieWewick 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I have to say that this is a ruder public comment than simons to tb... if we're criticizing people for being mean to others online in public

    [–]ZoeyNihlus_ 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I really hope this doesn't make people look negatively on other Yogs that want nothing to do with this petty shit.

    [–]15: team double dragon best stream eu 2014Fonjask 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    TB has confirmed that Sips will be on his podcast again soon, so that's good. But the truth is that to people that don't follow the Yogs and just know them as Lewis and Simon, this is 50% of the main channel openly insulting another member of his network. This will not reflect well to the impartial outside viewer.

    [–]MMuadDib 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This is pretty sad and unfortunate. Honesly at this stage as someone who is a massive Yogscast fan but is only a bit lukewarm about TB, Simon is really embarrassing himself and the rest of the Yogs. I still love him but that's just how it is. From a pure business standpoint this is only dragging the Yogscast name through the mud when there's still so much misguided hate out there. Seriously now whenever I see the Yogscast brought up elsewhere on YouTube or Reddit wherever it's just people going on about how they scammed kickstarters and bully small developers for money and hide sponsored content and all that garbage. This just adds to it whilst alienating someone who has fought in their corner in the past.

    [–]RidgedogRescue_the_innocent[S] 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I just want to say how much I agree with this.

    Yes, the Yogscast has made some bad business calls, and Yogventures was just a disaster from the get go, but they don't deserve all the hate that they do get.

    And almost every single member of the yogscast has been called out for baseless things. Or based things that have long since passed. It's depressing.

    [–]RidgedogRescue_the_innocent[S] 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I'm of the opinion that this whole little feud that Simon seems intent on fueling is just dumb. But seriously, you do not call out someone on a public forum, with millions of people who'll instantly agree with everything you spout, without even tagging the guy you're insulting to give him a chance to defend himself.

    [–]WriterV 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh good god my head hurts. Why are we doing this again.

    [–]SipsPartyPoison98 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I actually can't believe Simon would do something as petty and dumb as this. TotalBiscuit had always stood by The Yogscast and essentially made them what they are today by recruiting them to TGS. The Yogscast is completely irrelevant to the whole GG clusterfuck, Simon even moreso than others whereas TB got caught right in the middle of it.

    TB tweeted:

    As with many "former friends", they used my promotion to get ahead then conveniently forgot who their friends were later.

    If thats the case then i'm really dissapointed with the yogs as a whole

    [–]SipsMystrios 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    While I am not supporting the actions of either (I think both parties have acted poorly with this whole situation, but thats none of my business), TB called the Yogs out on their sponsored videos first and this led to his fans attacking the Yogs blindly after TB made that slight comment. That is what started this whole mess between the two parties.

    At the end of the day, things where said by both sides for all to see when if kept to private messages, could have resulted in a much better outcome, but that's none of our business only the people involved.

    EDIT: Just to clarify this comment is in reference to the TB standing by Yogscast statement in the above response :)

    [–]SipsPartyPoison98 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    TB set out a clear and concise argument about why he believed what the yogscast was doing was wrong. He didn't call anyone a "pissbaby". If he were to make the video about sponsored videos and ignored YogDiscovery, he would've looked incredibly biased and that would've been against his journalistic integrity

    [–]SirGuyGrand 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He did it via the medium of twitter which, anyone who has spent 2 minutes on twitter knows, is a fucking awful place for any kind of constructive argument.

    All it results in is Yogscast fans screaming "TOTALBISCUIT CALLED SIMON AND LEWIS FRAUDSTERS!"

    and Totalbiscuit fans shouting "SEE! I TOLD YOU THE YOGSCAST ARE SCUM!"

    Lewis shouldn't have acted the way he did, but Totalbiscuit should have known better than to take to twitter like that.

    Also, when Simon called out Totalbiscuit a few months ago with a tweet something along the lines of "That moment when you think TB is having an epiphany, but he's actually just whining about Anita Sarkeesian again", Totalbiscuit responded with "Friends don't have it out on twitter when they have each other's Skype". I can't help but think maybe Totalbiscuit should have thought of that when he criticised the Yogscast on twitter a few months before.

    [–]Korvacs 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's irrelevant, if he had real concerns he could have simply Skyped them about it, instead he needlessly decided to take his concerns public, on Twitter of all places.

    The whole thing was backwards anyway, YogDiscovery is the most open form of sponsored videos YouTube has ever seen, they were open about it from the start, made it extremely clear how it was going to work and went into detail how it would be measured.

    Importantly it was a second option for small developers who may not have been able to go for a sponsored video due to the risks involved.

    None of this would have happened if two things had occured.

    • TotalBiscuit had not decided to become some ethical driven whiteknight for whichever agenda he chooses to focus on
    • People had seen YogDiscovery for what it was, not what it had the potential to be if corrupted

    [–]SipsMystrios 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    TB originally sent out a tweet saying the Yogscast could do a better job with disclosing sponsored content since they did so much of it. This led to some of TBs fans to start attacking the Yogscast over the Sponsored content (aswell as throwing in blows about the Kickstarter Fiasco). This eventually led to Lewis making that reddit post which made the whole situation much worse.

    There was no reason for TB to mention the Yogs in the tweet, and while it was what I believe to genuinely be an off comment his Fans took it as an excuse to start attacking Yogs. As I said in my reply, if TB approached the Yogs privately and offered them advice it would have been different to him letting the world see. Similarly Lewis would have been better approaching TB privately about the matter, so in my eyes both are in the wrong.

    Its just an unfortunate situation, that has been made worse by fans from both sides coming to defence of their preferred Personality.

    EDIT: For Clarification (I tend to do this alot haha, should proof read :P) The Tweet was made after TB made a few points on Sponsored content, he did not expand on this at the time. I do not believe there was any Malice in what TB Tweeted, but his fans found some and used it.

    [–]SipsPartyPoison98 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Perhaps, but what I see is TB made a completely legit complaint about the yogs that got taken the wrong way, Simon deliberately attacked TB out of the blue

    [–]SipsMystrios 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Simon has always been against any type of GG related content, he often opposes them on twitter. Since TB tweeted negatively about the Loki comic using the "Actually, Its about Ethics..." Meme, Simon tweeted about it.

    I personally viewed it as Simon being Simon and against GG, but others took it as an attack to TB personally.

    I dont support what Simon did as it can come across as him Attacking TB, just giving context to the 'Attack'.

    [–]4: Hat Films - A Wizard's KissGamb1993 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It certainly didn't help TB that after calling the Yogscast out specifically they then replied and he said they should've kept it to private messages. Whether his arguments had merit or not, it's hypocritical to say one side should keep it private while you are allowed to be public.

    [–]Xanny 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    but that's none of our business only the people involved.

    Welcome to Twitter and the Internet - where people fling shit at each other out in the streets and public rather than in their back yards or homes.

    [–]Doddles 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    What's the gg clusterfuck?

    [–]SipsPartyPoison98 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Gamergate. TB didn't intentionally get involved, but being so prolific in games journalism he had to say something, he said he believed that some unethical stuff had gone down, he immediately got labeled as anti-SJW and it's spiraled out of control since. The tweet Simon responded to was sorta connected to it

    [–]RidgedogRescue_the_innocent[S] 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    TB Responds here.

    Simon continues insulting, now the people simply responding to him here.

    [–]Ralod 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Really? Insulting fans who feel he was out of line?

    Never get to know people you admire I guess, you always end up disappointed.

    [–]Deluxe999 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "At least when you put "hole digger" in your bio you were telling the truth."

    I laughed.

    [–]szethww 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Its really unfortunate, that things turned out this way, because in the past I loved their content together (like Magicka). It doesn't matter who was the one to blame, and which one of them caused their relationship to go this way, and probably we will never find out. The sad thing is that we will probably never see them work together or make content with each other, which makes me sad.

    [–]4: Hat Films - A Wizard's Kissakaispirit 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Really disappointed to see the drama starting up after it sort of died down for a while

    [–]tonybateman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think TB calling them out the other day for the curator page put simon in a bad mood and that's why this happened. Just a guess though. They need to take this stuff to Polaris rather than have a Twitter battle though.

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      [–]LewisSimplyJarvis 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      What should happen now:

      • Simon Should apologize
      • Both Sides should put everything behind them
      • Either Collaborate again or Don't. I don't care as long as this stops

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        [–]20: Datlof Remembers!captain42 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Oh great, I'm just in time for the weekly drama thread.

        [–]SimonEnglishBob84 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Methinks Lewis needs to get on damage control duties...

        [–]RidgedogRescue_the_innocent[S] 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Or Simon. It'd be a nice change of pace for him to own up to his actions for once, and give a statement on his reasoning for this, or even an apology for saying it where he did.

        [–]SH4D0W0733 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I think we all know that isn't going to happen. At this point the best that can be hoped for is if Lewis removes Simon from twitter. Kinda like how you don't let a drunk friend have his car keys.

        [–]RidgedogRescue_the_innocent[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Simon being constantly drunk would kind of explain this whole thing actually.

        [–]renadi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's exactly what I was thinking, especially given his replies to other users on twitter.

        I'm not sure exactly how serious I am but it reminds me a lot of a friend I had and makes me think, obviously being completely uninformed, maybe there is an actual issue there.

        Or he could just be an irreverent jackass, which, I guess is just who he is.

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          [–]bjclang 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (15子コメント)

          I'm done with Simon's behaviour.

          [–]LewisSwampyBogbeard 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (13子コメント)

          He's really harming the image of The Yogscast as a whole with this behaviour.

          If I were Lewis or Turps I would've probably banned Simon from Twitter around 8-9 months ago.

          [–]SipsPartyPoison98 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          They don't really need to as the vast majority of the main channel audience are probably to young to know or care whats going on, whereas the older fans tend to go for the side channels

          [–]SimonEnglishBob84 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Can confirm, am 30 and have drifted away from the main channel.

          [–]TurpsterJamieD92 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Am 22, only watch Sips and Hatfilms.

          [–]sneakyspriggs 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Same here most of the time. Simon used to be great in Yogpod days, but now he has drifted toward "flanderization", where he is more of a caricature of what he was originally. He used to be knowledgeable and smart in the Yogpod, and was more cynical in his humor, nowadays he's just the "clown" who is "lovably dumb". It's such a shame.

          [–]Sipseipiteo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Is that... past me?

          Marty! We need to go back!

          [–]SuperSlam64 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I'm only 16 but still only watch Sips and Hatfilms now, because minecraft and Gmod can never get boring, right?... Oh wait. Give me a goddamn yogpod!

          [–]SipsPyrrhus272 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If you'd been actually watching sips recently, you'd realise he's been releasing some of his best content in months. No minecraft in ages and barely any GMod. Pretty much all the toxicity associated with those series has gone as well- not gonna lie I'd say it definitely has something to do with the age range of people that enjoyed that type of content above all else.

          [–]karlfranks 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Sips has cut down on a lot of the Gmod content and has started a lot of new series lately (he's said he's only using it as filler over some weekends and if he's away at things like Blizzcon).

          Also Hat Films have a pretty good variety of content of games other than minecraft. I just checked and out of their most recent 30 videos (from the first page without loading any more) 21 aren't minecraft.

          [–]Seagullpyramidbread 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Lewis hasn't exactly been professional recently either, ever since they started taking pops at TB and Nerd Cubed, I've sorta started going off them, I still love other channels like Sips, Sjin, Rythian, Kim, Duncan and the Hats though.

          [–]Trottimusserjonsnow 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I honestly think Lewis is one of the most professional members.

          [–]SipsBrownwing 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          He can go from the most to least in no time at all it seems. I still like him and find him hilarious and 9/10 he does the right thing professionally, but when the accusations and shit slinging builds he (understandably) snaps sometimes.

          An example was during the whole Yogventures drama when he accused TB of producing paid for WTF is... without proof, which is a pretty big claim to make against someone who prides themselves on transparency and consumer loyalty.

          [–]Sipseipiteo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's interesting (besides impressive) how professional he is given that being professional probably contributed very minimally to his/their initial success.

          [–]Chervenko 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'd say it's due to the weekly gin, and his Cadet training.

          [–]TSsiken 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (21子コメント)

          can anyone explain what the context for TB being upset is? feel really out of the loop...

          [–]SipsBrownwing 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (20子コメント)

          He criticised the writers of the latest issue Loki for using the "actually it's about x in y" meme in an actual comic book, Simon apparently disagreed and refuted his criticism with the tweet in question.

          [–]KnossosTheBane 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Fucks sake.

          [–]4: Hat Films - A Wizard's KissThe-Magical-Moose 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You make me sad

          [–]4: Hat Films - A Wizard's KissGamb1993 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I've previously defended Simon for a tweet, but now I just feel he's being an arse for the sake of being one, which is a shame but not surprising.

          Just find it quite funny how people get into a hissy with Simon for saying something childish when they disagree with him, but when they agree with him it's all "haha lol he's so funny amirite".

          EDIT: I don't feel like Simon is the complete bad guy here, I think both sides are to certain degrees at fault. I mean TB has 'called out' the Yogs multiple times publicly, then expected exemption from being mentioned in public himself by the Yogs in return. I just feel Simon is taking this to a new childish high which doesn't help anyone.

          EDIT2: TB is being quite blinkered in his responses though, this whole debacle has been pretty equal and to act like the Yogs solely burnt the bridges is just ridiculous. I get he's appealing to his fans but in the end he's being quite ridiculous as well. And then to do no better than use your cancer against someone in an argument is pathetic. So Simon was incredibly childish for starting this current thing, but TB is being ridiculous in turn.

          [–]renadi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I don't think TB's ever straight up insulted something the yogs did, though he has attempted to use his influence to change their practices, TB really comes off as the good guy to me.

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            [–]15: team double dragon best stream eu 2014JDIrrelevant 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            It's pretty pathetic of Simon tbh but not even a little bit shocking. It's pretty well established, I think, that he is constantly showing himself up as being totally unprofessional.

            I can't imagine he gives a shit what we say on here though, since presumably he regards us all as "pissbaby" redditors. I strongly suspect that the reason he doesn't engage with reddit at all is because he has nothing but disdain for the Yogscast fanbase on here.

            [–]TrottimusNimtolien712 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Sadly I agree, the impression he's given in the past, to me anyway, is that he doesn't care much about being criticized and won't take into account what others say. I think he will continue and if he does it could ruin the Yogscast's reputation.

            [–]Falgo 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I couldn't care less about their relationships (Ok, that's a lie) but washing dirty laundry like this is plain idiotic. I love you Simon but wtf are you even thinking when writing this poison online.

            [–]15: team double dragon best stream eu 2014Fonjask[M] 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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            [–]SipsChawieWewick 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm sick of Simon on twitter at this point. I used to find him genuinely funny on the YogPod and I would watch every Yogscast video religiously, now I cringe when I read his twitter and try to avoid any and all videos with him in since he's turned into a screaming man-child.

            this has like 100 upvotes... i know people are mad but talk about disparaging remarks

            [–]ZoeyJamSa 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            What is the thing TB says is bad even referring to? It's just some frames from a Thor comic.

            [–]RidgedogRescue_the_innocent[S] 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            "Actually it's about ethics in hammer-wielding"

            A cringe-worthy gamergate joke made by the writer of Loki

            [–]raptor_theo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Also the font is the typical meme font, while the rest of the comic is the basic Asgard styled.

            [–]TehH4rRy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I thought it was a silly edit not actual comic scans.

            [–]renadi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I don't know what that means or if I should care.

            [–]TheRealGuy01 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Here we fuckin' go again!..

            Simon why did you have to do this, I'm sick and tired of seeing all the hate drama posts being thrown around the subreddit whenever something happens with TB.

            I mean just look at the responses to Simon's tweet, he's being shat on already, and now it's gonna come here isn't it? Damnit. :(

            Decides to jump into Stonehenge and hide with Spiny for protection

            [–]Sapphiretri 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Simon needs to get off twitter. He has become too venomous for his own good.

            [–]MattLigless 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I feel like Simon needs to start acting more mature. Whether he wants to be or not, he is [a] face of a company. A company that has a super bright spotlight put on it all the time. When he acts like a child throwing insults, it doesn't only reflect on him. It reflects on every single person associated with the Yogscast.

            [–]Friendly BotTweetPoster 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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            [–]TrottimusJabberminor 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            For goodness sake Simon, stop this sort of stuff. Just stay out of it and let's not have any more drama.

            [–]Macaluso100 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            While I think TB is blowing the Thor thing way out of proportion, I don't understand the point of what Simon is doing. I thought it was fine when Lewis was miffed about TB's statements on YogDiscovery, but he responded on the subreddit and left it at that. But Simon's twitter stuff toward TB is just overly petty, and picking a fight for no real reason. If he wants to burn a bridge, he doesn't need to basically announce it with a megaphone over twitter. Like I don't agree with TB on Gamergate or almost anything he posts regarding it, but I still like him, and Simon doing this kind of thing to someone he used to be friends with just makes him look way worse to me than anything TB has to say about Gamergate. It also makes Yogscast look bad as a whole, a network that has people TB is cool with like Strippin and Sips. I just don't see the point of this.

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              [–]15: team double dragon best stream eu 2014Fonjask[M] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

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              [–]SipsGalakFyarr 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Can someone explain me what the origin of it is?

              I mean, I get that it's Simon commenting on something TotalBiscuit said on Twitter, but what is it that TotalBiscuit is talking about exactly?

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                [–]atomicpenguintrooper 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I expect that from a butthurt kid not a grown adult, let alone one who represents such a large youtube channel :/ Hope him being unable to keep his mouth shut doesn't give anyone else in the Yogscast any problems or headaches. Can imagine it's quite hard to tell your friend/boss that they're being a total dick.

                [–]Sakai88 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Very disappointed indeed... I mean, whatever TB views are, whether you agree with him or not, he certainly didn't deserve any abuse. Yes, he can be very opinionated sometimes, but that's not an excuse to insult him.

                [–]RythianSpaceShipRat 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Seriously, FUCK Gamergate. Screw both sides to hell, with their useless, useless, sarcastic unfunny drama.

                We don't need this. We just want to play videogames, talk about videogames, and yeah argue about videogames, We don't want what's almost become two political parties with their creeds and their edgy memes and their hashtags.

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                  [–]Sipsb4gelbites 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  You guys are on fire today!

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                  IT BURNS

                  [–]MrPookers 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Oh is this what we're doing today? We're gonna fight?

                  [–]TehH4rRy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I hope this doesn't reflect poorly on the other Yogs, Mainly Hat Films.

                  [–]Nassegris 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I am, similarly, extremely disappointed in Simon.

                  Simon - you're a grown ass man. Behave like it. It's fine to be a silly little dwarf in videos but acting like this on Twitter is really souring my interest in the videos you're involved with. It's embarrassing.

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                    [–]15: team double dragon best stream eu 2014Fonjask[M] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Dude, c'mon. You've been around here for long enough to know better. This also doesn't help him not see people who criticize him as pissbabies.

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                    [–]Revenge_of_Tryhard 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                    I must've missed something, is there some sort of bad-blood between TB and Simon?

                    [–]15: team double dragon best stream eu 2014Fonjask 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    Yeah, Yogs and TB broke off their friendship a while ago.

                    Simon and TB are on "opposite ends" of the entire GG debacle.

                    [–]Revenge_of_Tryhard 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    To this day I still have no idea what Gamer Gate is/was about. I've avoided it like the plague (and will continue to do so). All I know is that it's making gamers on both sides miserable.

                    You know what all of this makes me think of?

                    I really like Mario Kart. It's really fun and and me and my sisters had a great time playing it and it made us happy. Games are fun. When did they stop being fun and start making us so political and turn us into actual enemies? When did gaming start being about making other gamers miserable?

                    Simon likes video games. TB likes video games. People involved in Gamer Gate probably like video games. Let's just play our games and have fun. Whatever this dispute it about, it's not the end of gaming and it's not the end of the world.

                    Assuming people on both sides are people, and that both sides enjoy video games, I don't see the problem here. I don't know what this disagreement's about but it can't really be worth making something you enjoy a miserable affair, can it?

                    [–]poopbeast420 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    it started when gaming became a billion dollar industry

                    [–]Revenge_of_Tryhard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I just have to wonder why that had to change us too :C

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                      [–]jumpinglemurs 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      I know about their disagreement concerning sponsorship and the whole yogventures thing, but I have not been keeping a close eye on GG. I know the sides and the major events, but I didn't know Simon or any of the other Yogs had really participated. Would you mind giving a quick outline of their disagreement concerning GG for my own curiosity?

                      [–]15: team double dragon best stream eu 2014Fonjask 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      GG at this point is just ridiculous in my opinion. Extremely simplified, it's this:

                      Pro-GG battles for ethics in games journalism.
                      Anti-GG battles for more female rights and participation in games.

                      At this point, they're fighting completely different things is the way I see it. Then again I try to stay as far away from it as possible because apparantly partially agreeing with both sides does not sit well with extremists of either side.

                      Anyone with more information who has a better defined definition or timeline feel free to correct me if I'm talking out of my arse.

                      [–]jumpinglemurs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Thanks, but I was more talking about what TB and Simon in particular disagree about. I have heard TBs side of things on multiple occasions. I do not follow Twitter so I have never really heard Simon's thoughts on the subject, though.

                      [–]15: team double dragon best stream eu 2014Fonjask 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Well, since TB is pro and Simon is anti, unfortunately they disagree on pretty much everything regarding the subject. There's no real specifics I don't think, it's just TB has opinions that don't resonate with Simon and vica versa.

                      [–]RidgedogRescue_the_innocent[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Check out TB's feed for a quick summary

                      [–]Revenge_of_Tryhard 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Nobody's right if everybody's wrong. :C

                      [–]Sipsbungay 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      What irritates me is how badly this reflects on the yogscast as a business/organization. The twitter comments are filled with hate on Yogscast as a whole right now. People need to learn to distinguish between an individual's action verses an organization. Especially when so many individuals completely detached from this issue (and others like yogventures) use Yogscast in their channel name.

                      [–]TrottimusCrazyskillz 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Can't stand the man. Haven't watched anything he's been in for ages.

                      I wonder at what point he'll burn that final bridge and the Yogscast network will stop supporting him.

                      Simon really does like to dig holes...

                      [–]Turpstersasorisasori 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                      Jesus fucking Christ, I hate how immature they are, sure Simon starts with the bullshit, then TB follows up with like 15 tweets explaining why no one should be trusted and that he'll never cooperate with anyone heavily associated with the Yogscast.

                      Two big babies fighting on Twitter.

                      Edit: I'm having a lot of fun seeing the karma counter go up and down like crazy. A lot of people downvoting because they like one of these two too much to realise that they're being a tad immature.

                      [–]prunejuicechilled 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                      I hate how you think the two can be equated. TB has the right to defend himself. Simon attacked him out of the blue for no good reason

                      [–]TheOnlyOrk 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Simon's tweet was a response to TB throwing a strop over someone making a gamergate joke in a comic. Simon is anti-gamergate and the two of them have clashed before on this subject.

                      [–]Vinven 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      wtf is a gamergate?

                      [–]TheOnlyOrk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Here is a particularly good description. I might be a little biased, but hey.

                      [–]Turpstersasorisasori 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      Why does he need to defend himself to Simon? I love TB, I watch pretty much every video he puts out, but we all know he loves to be part of a controversy and talk about himself.

                      If he was a bigger man he would shut up, and I don't know, talk to Simon in private despite Simon's attempts at making it public.

                      [–]GaussMouse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                      You're seriously saying if one of your old friends turned around and said you're a pissbaby, you would be 100% okay with that and not respond at all? I find that hard to believe unless you're a total sociopath.

                      [–]Turpstersasorisasori 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      Did you notice the part about me saying TB should probably have done it in private?

                      If a friend tweets something shitty directed at me, I don't reply to him in public. Get a grip.

                      Especially if I has as many people "watching" as these two have. They're both seeking controversy.

                      [–]GaussMouse 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      Right, except he suggested that last time. This time he just said he has no future working relationship with them in response to someone directly attacking him again. More than likely, it's due to the flood of tweets which TB got about simon's tweet where people tagged him in because Simon didn't..

                      "get a grip". Come on. Simon is attacking an old friend who's just come off chemo in public and you expect him not to be even the slightest bit upset? Why should he have to "shut up" when it's clearly something he's taken to heart?

                      [–]Turpstersasorisasori 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Again, you're not understanding what I'm saying mate. What's with your, Simon's and TB's, obsession to make everything so fucking public? Why can't TB send Simon a Skype message, even if Simon didn't do that to begin with? Why does he have to write it publicly and sink to Simon's level?

                      Also, how does TB's cancer treatment affect this in any way? Can't believe you're defending him by playing that card.

                      Face it, TB and Simon both like attention, and they both want to be part of this big controversy and have people like you and me discuss them at length.

                      Adults discuss personal relationships in private, I can't believe there's even a debate about whether or not people should keep to their privacy in this case.

                      [–]GaussMouse 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      I understand you entirely. What I don't understand is why someone calling someone else a "pissbaby" in public denies the right to respond by saying "I won't work with this person who just called me a pissbaby again". Did he personally attack Simon? No. Did he say to knock it off in public? No. He said he didn't want to work with him again and that he felt betrayed. That's it.

                      Of freaking course his cancer is relevant. It's not a "card", people who've just gone through major medical treatment tend to be a bit more stressed than usual. You said this of him:

                      "Two big babies fighting on Twitter."

                      "If he was a bigger man he would shut up, and I don't know, talk to Simon in private despite Simon's attempts at making it public."

                      You're literally saying "oh, I know this guy was just dragged through shit by his old friend unprovoked but he's such a baby for not being 100% rational about it". Come on, that's totally unreasonable. Maybe if it was the first time this had happened, but it's what, the 3rd now?

                      Adults play business. Part of that is making announcements about what you're doing with your business. That doesn't make someone a "baby". Christ alive.

                      [–]Turpstersasorisasori 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Ok, first of all someone keeps downvoting you seconds after you post a comment, so I upvoted you even though I disagree (I know I'm weird)

                      I'm not saying he shouldn't be upset, or that he has no right to write what ever the fuck he wants on Twitter, I'm saying that he could easily avoid controversy. Of course Simon is the biggest of the two twats in this situation because he, however childish it may sound, started it.

                      And TB doesn't use the same stupid insults Simon uses because he's a bit smarter, but TB's insults are sarcastic and "intelligently dickish" One of the first tweets he made about the thing was that he wouldn't say any more because he respected the network and so on, then immediately continues his rant.

                      You might think I'm taking Simon's side here, trust me, I'm not, I'm not a big fan of Simon purely because he's childish at times. I fully expected this out of him, but I also knew that TB wouldn't let the chance at creating a major "internet controversy" slip away.

                      In my eyes, both of these are idiots for taking it this far, in both their ways of doing this.

                      And lastly, one person being a twat and not being professional or rational doesn't give the other person an excuse to drop their dignity, professionalism and rationalism without anyone pointing it out. Sure, TB can say whatever the fuck he wants, but people like you can't expect everyone to just listen to what he says and agree with him 100% when he sinks to the same level.

                      Edit: Also, I've been writing far too much today and I feel embarrassed about sitting here like an angry 12-year old talking about how people on the internet are stupid. Feel free to reply and whatnot, I'll read it, but I won't be wasting my time replying to anything more tonight.

                      [–]GaussMouse 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Eh, votes are up and down, not really fussed about what ends up where anyway.

                      I'm not going to say that I agree with TB, but I think you came out all guns blazing and really, TB has done very little here other than be publicly disappointed. I also think you're far too cynical of the situation - this has happened before, and was kept on a much lower profile. This feels like the straw that broke the camel's back more than a deliberate attempt to drum up controversy. I think TB is immature, not deliberately manipulative - I think it's more that he feels unable to contain his disappointment to a 100% professional "Due to recent statements we will not be doing business with the yogscast any mroe" etc rather than a sleazy way to bring in traffic. If there's one thing to be said about TB, it's that he has never done clickbait.

                      I don't think TB has particularly lost face here. Ultimately, he's repeating things he's said previously and didn't directly insult anyone. Neither should have taken it this far, but given one is under what I would describe as an unusually high amount of stress and pressure, I can excuse one more than the other.

                      [–]Wolf_Base 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Interesting discussion.

                      Just came here to say upvoting, even when you disagree, for the sake of good discussion is entirely the point of the upvote/downvote system.

                      Keep up the good discussioning.

                      [–]RidgedogRescue_the_innocent[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                      You must have missed that he said Sips will be on his Podcast. He's a very prominent member of the yogscast.

                      [–]Turpstersasorisasori 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                      Sips has distanced himself from the Yogscast, compared to people like Simon, Duncan and Turps.

                      TB tweeted that he doubts there will be any content with Turps in the future, because of this.

                      [–]RidgedogRescue_the_innocent[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      That I can understand, as Turps is the CEO. But do you have a source for TB saying this?

                      [–]Turpstersasorisasori 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/578691148589502464

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                      @SaschaW @The_T I doubt that very much.

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                      [–]RidgedogRescue_the_innocent[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Fair point, thanks.

                      [–]D4MX 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      sasorisasori is talking about this.

                      [–]SirGuyGrand 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I seriously don't get why people think Sips has distanced himself from the Yogscast?

                      He frequently features in main channel content, he's got about 1001 GMod videos featuring Lewis and Simon, Hell, he even runs TeamDoubleDragon with Lewis, I'd say his channel is more closely tied with the Main Channel than most other members of the Yogscast.

                      Why do people think he's distancing himself? Because his channel looks different? Because he doesn't live in Bristol?

                      [–]SipsFaldoras 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Sips has distanced himself from the yogscast? you got any evidence of that? since Sips himself said that the design changes on his channel were not because he was leaving the yogscast, just a rebranding of his own channel. He also plays quite a lot of games with Turps and Hatfilms. Now that you've mentioned it though, he could easily be seen as an independent channel now.
                      I'd still like to see something more statement-esque, preferrably from the big bastard himself, about this.

                      [–]Turpstersasorisasori 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Hasn't it been fairly obvious that Sips runs his channel more independently and has more of a "cooperation" thing going with the Yogscast?

                      Why do you think TB has absolutely no problem with Sips, but has with Turps. Because they're associated with the Yogscast in different ways.

                      [–]JTrussel11 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      Can anyone tell me what's going on? I must have missed something.

                      [–]SipsFaldoras 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      TB repeatedly,publicly called out the main channel about not disclosing paid promotion, to the point where it seemed like he was singling out the YOGS.
                      Lewis was fed up with it, apparently, and, in my opinion, threw a shitfit about this, accusing TB of lying about paid promotions himself without evidence to back it up, salty stuff like that...
                      Of course, if it were true, TB's entire career would come into question, so he had to respond some way and decided to publicly cut all connections with YOGS.
                      Simon tweeted some useless bullshit about TB "throwing a fit about anita again" (the tweet is out there, I can't be bothered to look it up again)
                      TB had one of his trademark multi-tweet snidy responses.
                      then there was nothing much for a while, when suddenly, quite out of the blue, this happens...

                      To be honest, I'm with TB on this one, though I disagree with him on doing all this publicly, instead of settling it in private.

                      PS. since I lean towards TB's stance on this, this post might be a bit biased. (At least I disclose the fact that I might be biased one way or the other though...)

                      [–]JTrussel11 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Thanks for clearing this up for me.

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                        [–]Sipsb4gelbites 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Simon and TB are on opposite ends of the gamergate shit. They have disagreed on things before but this is just straight up childish.

                        [–]RidgedogRescue_the_innocent[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I'd like to recommend anyone reading this to check out TB's feed here, as he kind of goes in to detail about the shitstorm.

                        And yes, he can sound a bit full of himself. That's just what's naturally going to happen when you have so many fans. But he does at least explain a lot.

                        [–]Ridgedoghery41 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        Maybe notch was right.

                        [–]15: team double dragon best stream eu 2014Fonjask 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        That was about something completely different, way in the past. What Notch accused them of was on another level entirely, and absolutely ridiculous.

                        [–]Titanic95594 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Well, I can only cringe for the Public Relations sector of the Yogscast right now. I know Simon wants what is best for the company, but I'm not sure if a public quarrel is the best option for these pressing issues.

                        [–]JammyMan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        So this is what he gets up to instead of going into the office.

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                          Please do not flame or troll or otherwise leave disparaging remarks about users or the Yogscast. Constructive criticism is welcome, but keep it reasonable and respectful. Offending posts will be removed and bans will be issued for repeat offenders.

                          [–]TrottimusNimtolien712 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I agree with all the comments on Twitter as well as on Reddit saying how immature this is of Simon and how he's ruining the Yogscast's name. And what saddens me more is that I don't feel like he'll take any of this into account and will just continue to fuel the fire. I'm honestly quite thankful that he or Lewis haven't said anything about any of this in their videos yet being a huge fan of the Yogscast, I don't want to see their reputation ruined because of this behaviour.

                          [–]MartynbillyK_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Ok, I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate for a minute.

                          Simon has been ill for the past few days/weeks. He might be on medicine that makes him loopy. He might be drunk. He might be smacked off his tits on cocaine and hookers.

                          That being said, he has NO excuse for his actions. If he doesn't have the balls to @ TB back, then don't say shit. Don't keep fueling a fire that you yourself basically started. Lewis, Turps, anyone else in the Yogs who can talk sense into Simon: Have him delete his account. He's not doing anything smart on there, and hasn't said anything positive in a while on there too.

                          As to everyone else: Chill the fuck out. The more we talk about this shit, the more Simon has a reason to keep it going. We refuse to acknowledge it, it goes away. Just a child looking for attention, all it is. Let Simon be an idiot if he chooses, don't help fuel this.

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                            Removed per rule 8:

                            8: Do not post baseless negative comments about any users

                            Please do not flame or troll or otherwise leave disparaging remarks about users or the Yogscast. Constructive criticism is welcome, but keep it reasonable and respectful. Offending posts will be removed and bans will be issued for repeat offenders.

                            [–]15: team double dragon best stream eu 2014Chrisixx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            What the hell happened between the yogscast and TB? I really didn't pay much attention lately.

                            [–]KieranFilth 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            As a fan of both Simon and TB, i feel both parties acted in the wrong manner. Falling out with each over over someones opinion, thats like playground stuff. They are grown men for crying out loud, they should agree to disagree and be done with it...

                            [–]jimbojam6000 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Could someone explain this to me? I'm clearly being a tool and have missed something major here. Why the cartoon TB linked is so bad? - I know about gamer gate just clearly not enough about it to understand what the cartoon means.

                            [–]SimonReeFx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            are people really this pc that they can't deal with such a minor tweet

                            [–]Sipsdrysider 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Simon's twitter gives me life tbh.

                            [–]RapidsUK 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            It's a real shame how this has turned out between the Yogs and TB. At least with the earlier trouble between them there was some sort of sensible base for the arguments being made, but just randomly insulting someone is pretty low. Hopefully their relationship can be patched up in the future, but for the time being it would be better for everyone in involved to just ignore each other entirely.

                            [–]bosquit -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                            To expand on this, this whole thing started with TB publicly criticizing things like Yogdiscovery and how the Yogs disclosed their paid promotions. TB took to twitter to start a big fuss over these things, instead of doing it in private, and the yogs fired back.

                            Contrary to what most of the 10 year olds who watch Simon think, he isn't just a squealy voiced funny guy. He is very opinionated and doesn't take bullshit from people. If you followed him on twitter that would be pretty obvious. TB is the same, constantly being snarky and sarcastic about every little thing.

                            I wouldn't categorize the whole thing as just being "dumb." I'd say both are very bitter about the whole thing, as both view it as friends betraying them. It means something to both of them, and letting it go is not easy.

                            Also if anyone follows TB on twitter, he goes on 8 tweet whines about things, so I'm not sure Simon's tweet is totally without reason.

                            [–]prunejuicechilled 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                            It is TBs job to talk about industry issues. TB did so in a professional manner and gave Yogscast the benefit of the doubt. Lewis and Simon flipped their shit and acted like children.

                            They're still doing it. Hannah just yesterday tried to dodge responsibility for not properly disclosing their sponsored deals on their Steam page, which Steam says you HAVE TO DO.

                            Face it. Yogscast are irresponsible shady dealers that won't own up to their own actions. It took them being basically yelled at by everyone to apologize for taking half a million dollars from Yogventures backers before the game was canceled and the money disappeared.

                            [–]bosquit 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            I feel like calling someone out on twitter isn't really a "professional manner." For the most part what was being done with disclosure was the norm, especially with videos.

                            As for everything else no one can be sure if anything was intentional, I highly doubt it was. I'm sure the yogscast wanted to actually make a good game, and I'm sure they didn't intentionally leave out their disclosures on Steam. Although it's all just speculation. To call them shady dealers seems ridiculous as for the most part all of these things are happening with many youtubers, but calling out the Yogscast network is so much easier as it's massive.

                            [–]rilgebat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Can we stop with the "call out" narrative nonsense, he commented on an ongoing topic in a field that it is his job to cover, just like all the other outlets did during Yogventures and Yogsdiscovery.

                            Have we all so quickly forgotten Matt Lees grilling Lewis on a radio show?

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                              [–]TheOnlyOrk 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Calling someone out on twitter is not professional in the slightest. Its just childish.
                              Since you are clearly a TB fanboy, and as such cannot be bothered to look up facts, you might like to know that it was the developers of Yogventures that took the money, not the yogscast.

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                                [–]wormfries 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                seriously everytime something with TB comes up everyone seems to forget he kept calling out the yogs on twitter. urrghh

                                This shit wouldn't even be much of a big deal if people stopped making reactionary reddit threads about every tweet. jeez.

                                [–]frizz85 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I really don't get why people still use the phrase "oh it's Tb's Job to criticize" that might well be, but he did throw punches at his old Pals and Network members about the Yogventures stuff among allot of other things, I really cant get over this mentality some people have, because TB is known for being a Critic on most stuff "oh its his job to do so!" but if someone else does it, in this case Simon "oh hes a dick, ye!" they both threw punches at each other, they could both be right or could be both wrong, we DON'T know what happens behind closed doors, we don't and will (probably) EVER know the full story of how this Drama Feud started. the fans of each channel going neck to neck is just flat out Dumb, for both sides.

                                [–]1killer911 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I might be going entirely conspiracy theorist here like most people do with SOI, but, do you think the reason Simon's been in less crossover channel vids an less of the main channel vids than he used to be, is because they're trying to phase him out slowly and slightly?

                                [–]Lewisgregtyler 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Nice to see the gg patrol in this thread. Seriously, this shit is over; let the people who still randomly give a shit just discuss it. No need to pollute subs with trivial personal crap.

                                [–]TheTKz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Like, yeah, what Simon did was not cool and fairly petty, but man, as a fan of that comic, fuck TotalBiscuit for calling the writer a shitty writer and having the gall to make a commentary on something he's seen one page off and calling the writer shit. If someone did that with a fucking video game he'd be blowing the fuck up about it. Such hypocritical bullshit.

                                [–]AlsmiffyAnAngryUrchin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Can someone fill me in with what has happened before and why this is being taken so negatively?

                                [–]Aidan357 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                I find it funny that people have such an issue with famous people insulting eachother in a "non-professional manner" (is there a way to professionally insult someone?) but rarely care about the total nobodies that say even worse to people that don't deserve it.

                                [–]15: team double dragon best stream eu 2014Fonjask 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                The nobodies don't have a following. They are 1 person. If someone like TB or Simon tweets something, it reaches so, so many more people.

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