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TIL just 16 years after being forcibly relocated on the Trail of Tears, the Choctaw Nation donated $170 to help the starving victims of the Irish potato famine in 1847 (choctawnation.com)

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[–]ONXwat 200 ポイント201 ポイント  (52子コメント)

yeah, talk to him so that they can distract him long enough for their family to start squatting in his house.

[–]helix19 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (45子コメント)

Gypsy hatred: the only type of racism widely embraced by the Western world. I don't get it. It's not cool guys.

[–]Coomb 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (29子コメント)

it's fucking hilarious honestly. a lot of europeans will say the US is racist against black people and then turn around and say "yeah, fucking gyppos - but it's different for gypsies, they're REALLY scum!"

[–]QuelqueChoseRose 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I know right? And then they go, "You don't get it, they're all crooks." First off, no, what you mean is that a disproportionate number of them are criminals. And it's not like Americans are unfamiliar with that phenomenon. We have that with Blacks, with Native Americans, with refugee groups from all over the world. But, like many Americans, I can recognize that above-average crime rates among those communities don't justify racism against them. I'm sure there are Europeans who recognize the same thing about the Roma, but you never seem to see them on reddit.

And then if you post something defending the Roma in a thread where the hatred's already flowing, there's always the guy saying how "If you come to Europe, you'll understand." Like, fuck you. Don't pretend that your racism is the only reasonable response. I've lived in Europe. And not like a bullshit study-abroad thing where you're in an American enclave; I've spent about 10% of my life in Europe, all told. I speak fluent French. I've solo backpacked through four countries. I've seen the best and the worst Europe has to offer, including gypsies trying to scam me. I've seen them run their shell games, and nearly got assaulted once for taking a picture of it. I've been begged to on trains by Roma kids, and wanted to grab the parents and shake them and shout "Do you really think it's okay to teach your kids to do this?!" But guess what, I still don't hate the Roma, because I'm not a racist sack of shit.

Edit: expanded somewhat.

[–]bakuninsbart [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Just one vote buddy.

It takes a lot of strength to not generalize when you have 100:1 negative encounters with a group of people, but racism is counter-productive in every imaginable way.

[–]Dick_in_owl [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Europe is a big place, southern Spain really does have big social problems with gypsies. As there cultures is not compatible with the norms of sociality. It's not comparable to race it's more a life choice. In the UK the term gypsies is often used to describe someone without standards or who is immoral. I have friends that work with social services and schooling and it really is an issue as unlikely any other section of sociality they will not in anyway adopt the morals of a socially developed sociality. It's not about race in anyway but more the destructive culture that encompasses it.

[–]Guriinwoodo [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

As is the problems in America. There are not a disproportionate of crimes commited by Black people because of the color of their skin. It's because of, in your words, the destructive culture that encompasses them. A majority of Black people are born into poverty and into hate, just like the Gypsys are. The difference is in America and Canada we don't discriminate against them despite that, whereas in Europe ya'll discriminate BECAUSE of that. I'm not saying Europe is worse in terms of discrimination of minorities, but you're certainly not fucking better than America, as many Europeans claim.

[–]hajena123 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Do you really think that the majority of Europeans discriminate against gypsies just because some people on the internet say so? Also the fact that you compare black people to gypsies is hilarious when the two are entirely different. I am willing to bet that you have never even seen a gypsy in real life.

[–]The_Tic-Tac_Kid [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

This just in, when a society systematically oppresses and marginalizes a group of people, that group of people tends to develop cultural hostility towards that society.

The US has the same issues for the same reason. That doesn't make the way minority groups get treated right.

[–]Naer-Zed 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (12子コメント)

a lot of the hate towards gypsies, especially from the english, comes from the fact that they settle on land that they don't have the rights to

[–]chubbylittlesecret 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

unlike the English, who had HEAPS of rights to Australia, Asia, the Americas, and Africa.

[–]bossfoundmylastone 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, they used flags. Totally valid.

[–]BrassyBrassiere 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well it's funny that you say that, because...

[–]brianbrianbrian -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Jews? Are we talking about the Jews?

[–]MonsieurFroid 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Erm...

[–]brianbrianbrian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh... the Native Americans. Taking back the blankets they gave us for Thanksgiving dinner.

Yeah feather-not-dot Indians are the worst, then gypsies, then Jews.

[–]Donkeydongcuntry [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

How do they feel about the Israelis?

[–]CartoonJustice [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

"It's a Trap!"

[–]jehilla [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

maybe the the native americans had the same feelings when the brittish came. but who knows because they were wiped out. Last time I checked the Romas was a subject to genocide, not the english.

[–]teknomanzer [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

they settle on land that they don't have the rights to

Ironically this describes the English to a tee.

[–]shointelpro [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

a lot of the hate towards gypsies, especially from the english, comes from the fact that they settle on land that they don't have the rights to

You guys.........

should we tell him?

[–]Naer-Zed [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

....that the english also did this? does that make it ok for other peoples to do it the same in the modern day?

the past always gets brought up in arguments of race, but it never adds anything to it. Sure there were wrong doings in everyone's history, but dwelling on other (dead) people's mistakes doesn't do much to change people now and just leads to petty back-and-forths that lead nowhere and detract fromt he conversation

[–]rileyrulesu 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think most of europe is aware that they're much more racist than the US is.

[–]Donkeydongcuntry [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Honestly I think it's because we had to deal with this issue through civil war, legislation, the civil rights movement, etc.

[–]Moirawr [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Texan here, and the only gypsies I've met actually were scum. But they were also loud, flashy, in a big group, annoying everyone in the area and generally being creepy as fuck. I'm sure I don't notice the regular gypsy people because obviously they're not all like that.

[–]ihaveahugepen [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Can't we all just agree that Gypsies and Africans are both generally scum? No point in useless bickering.

[–]B1995 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Look up the Armenian genocide in Turkey. I fail to see the humor in the systemic racism against the Armenian people.

[–]Cmoorebutz 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I under stand what he was saying right. He meant that it's ridiculous, unbelievable, etc. And when something is so ridiculous and unbelievable a lot of people laugh because it's just so bizarre. No sane person laughs a genocide.

[–]FactualPedanticReply 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Armenians aren't the same people as the Gypsies referenced here. Typically, "gypsy," in Europe, refers to either the Roma people or the Irish Travelers, which are both different cultures and ethnicities than the Armenians. The Roma people are of ancient Indian stock, speaking a language in the same family as Hindi. The travellers, unsurprisingly, speak a kind of Irish. The Armenians speak Armenian, which is on a completely different branch of the Indo-European language tree than either Hindi, Latin, or English. It's a pretty damn old language.

[–]Donkeydongcuntry [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I've heard of fans throwing bananas on the pitch in Southern and Eastern European games towards African footballers.

[–]Coomb [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'm not saying there aren't Europeans who are racist against black people. I'm saying that even the "enlightened" Europeans who criticize Americans for racism against black people in the US will often be super fucking racist against Roma, and when you point that out they'll be like "But actually it's true that all Gypsies are scum!"

[–]walruz [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The other day, I honestly heard a guy say "I'm not racist or anything, but someone really needs to shoot all of these fucking gypsies".

[–]aaronespro 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

There is this false belief in Europe that the Gypsies have resisted the free social services provided by the liberal Western European governments.

Actually, there has been entrenched racism towards Gypsies by the bureaucrats working in those government programs; for example, until about 2008, Gypsy children were routinely placed in special education programs regardless of whether they were actually retarded or not.

That kind of thing was usually done because white parents were afraid of gypsy childrens' influence and wanted them segregated.

Needless to say, how is a child of normal intelligence supposed to pursue higher education if they spend any significant amount of time not learning how to compete with their peers academically?

[–]Dick_in_owl [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

This is untrue it's normally the case that they move schools too often to be able to follow a normal curriculum. And can never have a complete education because of this, so disproportionately get put in special programs as the life style does not allow for educational norms. Also my girlfriend is a teacher in a school with gypsies and they are extremely disruptive and racist towards other cultures.

[–]oldsecondhand [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

This was an issue in Hungary. Gypsies aren't nomadic there.

[–]aaronespro [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Czech republic, too.

[–]Mundius [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Username a reference to Hagrid telling Harry that he's a wizard?

[–]aaronespro [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

[–]katchaa [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

This is what the British think of gypsies

[–]Pissflaps69 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I came to England for the first time this week. I saw my first gypsies shortly thereafter. Thee women were dressed like prostitutes, the girls as young as 5 were dressed like prostitutes, and the men were trying to rob everyone in sight. I can't speak for the race, only my experience, but these folks were subhuman.

[–]ChadPoland [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I always thought gypsy just refered to a TYPE of person not a race...sort of like a nomad. But I can understand how blackface is still performed in Nordic countries. They simply don't know the history behind it. Much like Americans don't know the history of anywhere - American.

[–]Jord-UK -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tax evasive people whose moral compass isn't in sync with ordinary folk. The kids are almost guaranteed little cunts too which doesn't help their stigma

[–]fenian1798 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Americans only say this kind of shit because there aren't many gypsies in America.

[–]RekdAnalCavity -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because they are fucking scum

[–]Enjoys_A_Good_Shart [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I know what you're saying but I'm guilty of it too, travellers are stupid, rotten fucks. Hate them all.

[–]urshur [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You haven't spent much time around Gypsies, have you...

[–]WhatsThatNoize -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except that it's not racism. "Gypsy" is a lifestyle (that just so happens to be more commonly embraced by certain ethnic groups).

EDIT: Apparently it's only the typical "US-centric" conception of Gypsy that I'm talking about here. And apparently I'm sheltered from European Politics - as if I give a shit what Europe's doing with their social issues. We've got our own problems across the pond and they're honestly not much better than what y'all have to deal with. I stand with my last statement at the end though.

This would be like calling someone a Hood-Rat. Sure it more commonly gets used against people of African American descent because they're perceived as the most common demographics that make up the origin of the term, but it's not a racist statement in and of itself. The term Hood-Rat transcends gender. Anyone can be one.

If anything the only discrimination going on is between classes here. Which is ironic considering the people more commonly using the terms "Hood-Rat" and "Gypsy" are also often in the lower-middle to upper-lower class and in barely any position to make a distinction.

Shit's bad all around folks. Stop making more trouble for everyone by wailing at demons that aren't there.

[–]lickmybrains [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Hey dude, that's not fucking fair you have no idea what you're talking about!!

They'd pickpocket it him first.