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Kinda of a pity post (self.buffy)

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[–]not_a_philosopher 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (70子コメント)

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Not me. I don't get why everyone in this sub loves her. She was created for one purpose. Be an instigator for willow's change. Once she did that her character was pretty bland and didn't offer anything other than willow's girlfriend. She just became stale.

[–]free112701 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

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i actually thought her make up speech was lazy. i loved the episode with her and her family.

[–]mikeramey1 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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i loved the episode with her and her family.

Me too. Then what happened? Nothing with Tara.

[–]DaddyCatALSO 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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How about "Nobody messes with my girl?' Lots of pwoerful monets in S-6.

[–]YEAH-DAAAAWG 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Agreed. One of my favorite moments in the show.

[–]lecherous_hump 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (43子コメント)

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I see this opinion sometimes but just don't get it. Tara is easily my favorite character in season 6.

[–]Shagoosty 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (42子コメント)

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Why?

[–]lecherous_hump 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (41子コメント)

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In S6 a lot of characters were feeling tired or going in directions I didn't like. I hated Giles leaving, Dawn being annoying, Willow's addict turn, Xander walking out on his own wedding. Tara stood out, especially after the breakup, as a grounding presence. She was sort of baggage sometimes in earlier seasons-- not a complete presence somehow. I liked who she grew into in S6 when everyone else was growing into someone I didn't like.

[–]kayjee17 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

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When everyone else was acting out, Tara was growing up.

[–]lecherous_hump 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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That's kind of a great way to put it.

[–]kayjee17 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Thanks. I got that impression on my last rewatch. Tara was the only adult around after Giles left, and it showed.

[–]Erawk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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10 points to Gryffindor!

[–]DaddyCatALSO 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Which is, in a real sense, why Joss had to remove Tara from the Buffyverse.

[–]Shagoosty -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (35子コメント)

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But she didn't grow, you just said it, everyone else's characters advance in some way and she stands still.

[–]Rockworm503 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (14子コメント)

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It has to be some major change or its not growing up? Do you go through big changes in your life on a yearly basis? Tara's was more realistic than all the others. The fact that Buffy went to her for help shows just how well grounded she was while everyone elses life was spiraling.

[–]Shagoosty -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (13子コメント)

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No, she doesn't change at all. She doesn't do anything, and has no flaws. She's a terrible character.

[–]Rockworm503 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

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Doesn't destroy herself with magic....

Doesn't fuck someone she hates just to feel something...

Doesn't leave someone at the alter based on fear....

Its almost like she's more normal.... WHAT A TERRIBLE CHARACTER HOW DARE SHE BE NORMAL!

[–]Shagoosty 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

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You summed it up well. She does a bunch of nothing.

[–]Rockworm503 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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TIL Not being self destructive = doing nothing... Good to know

[–]faaackksake -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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yeah that's what /u/shagoosty said, she has no flaws, she does everything right, i do like her as a grounded presence but there's a difference between grounded and boring, they should have had her become buffy's confidant or something or just given her a little subplot of her own to give her a little pathos.

[–]GentleObsessionCan we just skip it? 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

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Didn't grow? Doesn't have flaws? Are you kidding me?

Season 4: She sabotages the demon locator spell. She also has more real life flaws in that she's got very low self esteem and confidence and pretty much lets Willow walk all over her.

Season 5: She continues to lie to Willow by omission about being a demon (she believes she's a demon). When Family rolls around she decides to cast a spell on the gang so they can't see that she's a demon.

Season 6: She's grown exponentially and continues to grow throughout the season. She now has confidence and a back bone! She no longer lets Willow walk all over her. When she gives Willow a second chance and Willow breaks her promise, Tara packs her things like she said she would. Even though she was hurt deeply by Willow's actions, she's supportive of her and her abstinence from teh magics, even if it's from a distance.

Role reversal: In Family Willow defending Tara's use of a spell to their friends and Tara's family vs Older and Far Away where Tara is defending Willow from Anya and Xander trying to guilt and rope Willow back into using magic.

Another role reversal: At the end of New Moon Rising, Tara is fairly uncertain of her and Willow's relationship but clearly she is expecting the worst. Willow is the one to show up to her room and make things clear that she wants to be together.

Entropy: Willow is now the one uncertain about where their relationship lies and whether or not they'll ever be together again. Tara is the one to show up late at night to Willow's room and romantically put it all out there that she wants her back.

[–]Shagoosty -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

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Season 4: She sabotages the demon locator spell. She also has more real life flaws in that she's got very low self esteem and confidence and pretty much lets Willow walk all over her.

Yeah, the whole "I'm a demon thing" lasted all of two episodes. Don't really consider it that interesting in a show with over a hundred episodes.

Oh no! She has self esteem problems! That makes her soooo interesting.

Season 5: She continues to lie to Willow by omission about being a demon (she believes she's a demon). When Family rolls around she decides to cast a spell on the gang so they can't see that she's a demon.

See above.

Season 6: She's grown exponentially and continues to grow throughout the season. She now has confidence and a back bone! She no longer lets Willow walk all over her. When she gives Willow a second chance and Willow breaks her promise, Tara packs her things like she said she would. Even though she was hurt deeply by Willow's actions, she's supportive of her and her abstinence from teh magics, even if it's from a distance.

I would argue she doesn't grow at all. She's exactly the same from the moment we first meet her, to her last moment.

[–]GentleObsessionCan we just skip it? 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

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I don't care if people don't like her (we all have different opinions) but you clearly have a blind hatred for the character.

Curious, do you feel the same way about Oz? Because everything you're saying about Tara could be said about Oz.

[–]lecherous_hump 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (19子コメント)

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I get that you don't like Tara but that makes no sense.

[–]Shagoosty -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (18子コメント)

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How does that make no sense? She's a boring character. If she wasn't a lesbian everyone would complain that she just exists to progress the character that she's dating.

[–]Rockworm503 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

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Most of season 6 away from Willow because of her magic addiction means absolutely nothing? No she was just existing to progress the character she was dating even when she wasn't doing either of those things.

[–]Shagoosty -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

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What did she do away from willow?

[–]Rockworm503 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

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Go to school? Be there for Buffy when she needed it? Oh I don't know normal things normal people do?

The one character who wasn't being completely destructive and she's boring? Give me a break!

[–]GentleObsessionCan we just skip it? 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

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She was a confidant for Buffy when Buffy felt she couldn't tell anyone else about two HUGE things in her life at that point. Her concern over being able to be hit by Spike (without zapzapzap) and thinking she may not have come back "right". And the fact that she was sleeping with Spike. That is huge, regardless of whether or not you want to admit it.

Tara was also a rock for Dawn when everyone else was too wrapped up in there own lives to give a crap about Dawn. I know Dawn isn't well liked around here, but I liked her in season 5-6 and I for one appreciated their relationship.

[–]astrum1989 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

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I think a persons appreciation of Tara is tied up in their personality. People who are naturally shy or unconfident can totally relate with her character and would agree that she offered way more than what you give her credit for. She wasn't just incredibly lovable but also completely realistic.

[–]CJGibson 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I think this really shows in people's interpretations/understanding of Tara breaking up with Willow. For a confident person this is nothing, it's a no-brainer. Willow's being an addict and borderline abusive so of course you just leave. It sucks maybe cause you love that person, but whatever you do it and move on.

But that's not the kind of person Tara is. Before Willow, Tara was painfully shy. She doesn't talk, she clearly has trouble relating to people. Willow was more than just a relationship for Tara, she was a pillar that let her grow in strength and confidence. Breaking up with Willow isn't just a question of ending the relationship, it's her standing on her own for probably the first time in her entire life. It's her leaving the person who gave her the strength and confidence to be more than the meek thing her family left her being.

People who say "Tara doesn't do anything" clearly don't really understand what leaving Willow means for her. And I suspect you're right that it has a lot to do with whether a person knows what it's like to be something similar to pre-Willow Tara.

[–]leahlemon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Dude I'm so fucking shy and I still don't like Tara. She's bland, and shy doesn't have to be boring.

[–]DaddyCatALSO -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Probably abig aprt for me.

[–]dryhandy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I think shes annoying.

[–]cocainelady -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I'm with ya. I don't dislike her. I just don't care (and I'd argue that's worse). She's so unnecessary. Boring. Blah.

[–]CelebornX -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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And suuuuch a terrible actress. By far the worst on the show. Worse than Dawn. Every time she fake-stutters it makes me cringe.

I know I'm being harsh, but her acting was so bad and never got better.

[–]Shagoosty 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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THANK YOU

Her acting, or lack there of, always stood out to me. Probably why she never went anywhere. Bunch of shorts, small roles, and tv appearances.