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[–]RAIDguy 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (26子コメント)
This name thing is ridiculous.
[+]Sirspender スコアが基準値未満のコメント-21 ポイント-20 ポイント-19 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (25子コメント)
If by ridiculous you mean people defending an anachronistic tradition and refusing to recognize there are real people (students, faculty, prospective faculty, and the university as a whole) who are negatively impacted by it, then yes. It's very ridiculous.
[–]RAIDguy 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (23子コメント)
No one is impacted by the name of a building.
[–]Sirspender 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (14子コメント)
Which is just empirically false. I'm not saying people cower in fear. I'm not saying the University punishes certain people for looking a certain way. But when you slap a name of a building, you tell the world, "this person deserves this highest of honor for who they were and what they did." And when racism is the single driving force in someone's life, as it was for his, people feel offended and put off by that.
I don't believe Ben Tillman deserves to be honored on the single most visible building on campus. And there are people who believe it is incredibly offensive to continue giving such an honor to people.
When prospective faculty come to campus and see Tillman Hall, and the Strom Thurmond Institute, that is concerning to them. It is an anachronism that serves no purpose, and further adds to the Universities reputation for being not super duper inclusive to minority groups.
[–]astrawnomore -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (1子コメント)
Well said. Ben Tillman was an asshole. Tradition is no excuse to keep something around. If we lived by that rule, then we'd still only allow white landowning men to vote. Times change and people make mistakes. To use tradition as an argument for resisting change is no different from saying "I'm wiser because I'm older." It's irrelevant.
[–]Sirspender -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (0子コメント)
Its a shame that the Clemson "family" is showing its true colors through all this. How easy a thing for people to say "Oh, yeah that Tillman guy was not someone I want on the front of the central building on campus."
Its really hard to not see how a the response isn't driven by bias of some sort. sigh Better try next time, Clemson.
[–]broncosrb26 -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (11子コメント)
Lol, prospective faculty couldn't care less about the name of a building. They care much more about the quality of the facilities and resources that Clemson has to offer them as well as the quality of the students and other faculty in their department.
[–]sepiolida 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (5子コメント)
Yeah, no... I'm doing grad school in a different part of the country, and one of my friends who recently graduated was considering a job offer at Clemson but she declined because she didn't think they had enough resources for LGBT... and then the Strom thing. She ended up going elsewhere in the west.
[–]broncosrb26 -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (4子コメント)
What department?
[–]sepiolida 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (3子コメント)
Biological sciences.
[–]broncosrb26 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (2子コメント)
Eukaryotic Genomics?
[–]sepiolida 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (1子コメント)
I'm guessing biology, anyway? The person I was talking about does desert stream ecology and I don't remember if that would go in CU's bio or somewhere else. Probably a CAFLS one though.
[–]AFetchingName 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (3子コメント)
Actually, that's not true. I know of three professors (one engineering, one political science, and one language professor) that either turned down a post (2) or only took the job for only one year (1) because they found the campus climate unwelcoming and stagnant in its social views regarding diversity. Sooooo prospective faculty do care about things like who the university honors because it's all tied up together with what Clemson values.
[–]broncosrb26 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (2子コメント)
Care to expand further on what these stagnant social views are regarding diversity? What were the race and gender of the faculty? I get the Tillman thing but what else is there? I have not heard one peep about stagnant social views and I have been a part of Clemson for almost 10 years now.
[–]craigjclemson -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (1子コメント)
Are you a white male?
[–]broncosrb26 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (0子コメント)
Half black male.
[–]Sirspender -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (0子コメント)
Okay, well. Number 1, I know a handful of professors, that while they do teach here, do find it incredibly unfortunate that the name exists. Its almost like the faculty senate unanimously voted to change the name or something...oh wait.
Furthermore, by poking what you seem to believe are holes in only a part of my argument, you leave the rest to stand unopposed. That's fine, its just not very convincing.
[–]AFetchingName 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (1子コメント)
I mean, the students said they are. So. I mean. There's that.
[–]RAIDguy 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (0子コメント)
People say they're allergic to WiFi.
[–]kleinbottlecap 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (5子コメント)
It seems like many people are. I'm not personally one of them, but that doesn't mean I can ignore other people or assume they're lying about their own experiences.
[–]miawallacescoke 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (4子コメント)
It can be recognized that it is impactful to some but that still doesn't mean it needs to be changed.
[–]kleinbottlecap 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前* (2子コメント)
So under what circumstances would you say its name (or any building's name) should be changed?
[–]miawallacescoke 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (1子コメント)
They generally change the names when people Donate a lot of money
[–]kleinbottlecap -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (0子コメント)
Just trying to understand: to you, whether or not a building should be named after someone has nothing to do with the character of that person?
[–]AFetchingName 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (0子コメント)
But keeping the name doesn't benefit anyone (except our self-constructed notions of tradition) and actively hurts others!!
Like. Are we that selfish that we can't just take some bronze letters down for the sake of someone's well-being?!
If we can't change a name, how are we going to demonstrate that we want to change the way people approach equality on campus?
[–]thisisafakeissue 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 ヶ月 前 (0子コメント)
How can you claim that this negatively impacts people? What is the negative impact? Is there any demonstrable harm associated with the naming of a building?
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