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Save Tillman Hall Petition (change.org)

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[–]krodh87 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I did some preliminary reading on Ben Tillman and am of the opinion that he did not really do a great deal for Clemson. Can someone please post a good article focusing on Tillman's unique contributions to Clemson? It doesn't seem like he went out of his way to "build" or "save" Clemson.

Add to that the atrocities on black people. It is one thing to overlook actions of a man that were commonplace at his time (reference to the often invoked "Thomas Jefferson owned slaves too" argument) and yet another to overlook mass murder.

Before blindly signing any such petition, I only request people to read up on Ben Tillman, weigh the facts against your own values and not act on emotion.

[–]Steven_Yeuns_Nipple 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This should be higher up. People on both sides of this debate need to do some research and make an educated opinion for themselves. I was initially against the name change until I did some more reading on my own about Tillman and it changed my opinion.

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    [–]krodh87 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Still nothing immense or out of the ordinary. People in his position ought to do that much I guess. Who knows if Tillman used Clemson for his own political benefit as suggested by "The Clemson bequest helped revitalize Tillman's movement."

    Besides, Wikipedia article mentions Tillman historian "Kantrowitz argues that Tillman deserves little credit for what have become coeducational and integrated institutions, as he did not intend that"

    [–]RAIDguy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Who cares about Ben Tillman. Tillman is the name of a building. When anyone says Tillman do they picture a man or a clock? Whether the name is historically tied to some dead man is completely inconsequential.

    [–]krodh87 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Doesn't matter to you and me. Might matter to the victims. Where I come from originally, all the colonial names of buildings and cities have been changed to more regional names. Didn't make a difference to me, but sure did to the rebels and their descendants.

    Also, if it really doesn't matter, why resist the change?

    [–]RAIDguy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Any victims are long dead. I've never given a single though as to who the building was named for. To me, Tillman is a building I had numerous classes in, not a man.

    [–]AFetchingName 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I think that's fair. Why feel so affronted if you've never given two thoughts about the name? What exactly are you resisting?

    [–]wmidl -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's that darned "c" word that many at Clemson of a particular political persuasion can't bear to utter

    [–]kleinbottlecap 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ... Cunt? Campus? Cronut?

    [–]RAIDguy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The annoying confusion when it has two names.

    [–]kleinbottlecap 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Exactly. You've never given a thought to the man behind the building. Neither have I, really. But a lot of people have, and it matters to them. What's right isn't always what most people want. If 80 people want the name changed, and literally every other student doesn't, the 80 people could still be right.

    [–]krodh87 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Correction: What is right is almost never what most people want.

    [–]flacordaaave 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No- we didn't think about it until now, but the name is attached to the building and the building is symbolic of clemson.

    [–]insandrium_heart 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Even ignoring the complaints of the students who want to change the name, think about the image the name Tillman gives Clemson when guests visit. Someone may come to the south knowing about the history of slavery and learn of how Clemson University named its landmark clock tower after a racist murderer. That does affect Clemson's image, and honestly I wouldn't mind if the name was changed for that reason.

    It's what the name represents that matters. Naming a clock tower after a man like Tillman isn't just historical, it also kind of suggests that we condone the biography of the person. I think an interesting complement (or alternative) to the name change would be to place an information center in Tillman that discusses the history in an honest, unavoidant manner.