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[–]Maetree[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Honestly if I went to a basketball game and some tall player stood on the three point line the entire game without moving and shot three pointer after three pointer... yeah, I'd be kinda mad, and so would everyone else. You don't go to a basketball game to see cheesy shit, you go to see skilled players >compete< against eachother.

[–]z0oinks 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (13子コメント)

But if you see that guy making three pointers every time, don't you think the other team should re-think its strategy?

OP, if people are making easy shots, try playing more defense. If you normally chase the guy with the ball, think about going around him and standing in (less than three seconds!) or under the goal and jumping up when you think he's gonna shoot. He'll probably try to fake you, but that's why that double jump is there

[–]Maetree[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (12子コメント)

My problem with that as a solution is that it turns this very fast paced, intense, constantly changing game into goalie simulator 2015 every time my opponent has the ball.

[–]hailjeff 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Die.

[–]z0oinks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just defend enough to show them they can't always make the easy ones. Hopefully they'll start making better shots as well

[–]Maetree[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

thank you for being the only reasonable person in this sub as far as i can tell, i appreciate your insights. I wish someone would let people know their opinions aren't welcome here in the sidebar or something, it would have saved me some time

[–]z0oinks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic....

I don't mean to come off rude, if I am

[–]dericiouswon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

My problem with that as a solution is that it turns this very fast paced, intense, constantly changing game

Oh dear! You are right! This sounds awful!

Everyone, stop making cheesy, glitchy shots. Let's be competitive! Only quality shots that OP deems are legit should count.

[–]Maetree[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

what the fuck is 90% of the people's in this sub's problem? I posted that this was annoying to me and asked for input, I'm not raging, I'm not talking shit, I asked for some opinions and i've gotten so many bullshit replies that i'm not even going to bother continuing the thread. Sorry for having an opinion guys, please go back to your zero skill ezmode shots now that you've sucessfully hivemind defended them

[–]dericiouswon 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Lol! Look man, maybe its time to consider it's you, not them. You claim you don't lose, yet complain about how people score points. So what exactly is the problem? Thats the fucking point! Thats like complaining about stephen curry taking 3 point shots because he's good at them. What a cheese basketball guy!

You just don't seem like the kind of dude who should play sports games if that bothers you. But then again, you claim to never lose, so what does it matter how people are -not- winning against you?

Also, you showed me a video of you scoring 35 points in succession in order to prove that those shots are easy. Well, you scored them all, literally, against no one. Are you implying your defense is as effective as no one on the screen? Because that's what normal logic would assume.

You just make no sense. People are going to score points as quickly, as easily, and as many points as possible because that's the whole point of the game. This is all going over your head it seems.

ALSO, this game is not intended to be 1v1. Try to make a friend and play 2v2+. But then you'd probably whine that the other team keeps passing to the open guy, because its easy, cheese, and takes "no skill".

[–]mholmes3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like you

[–]Maetree[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Christ. 1) I didn't claim I never lose, I said that I'm not getting beaten by kids cheesing

2) the video was to SHOW ONE OF THE CHEESE SPOTS. It was not to demonstrate a real life totally srsbsns game, it was not to demonstrate that I am the worlds best 1v0 idarb player, it was to >>>>>show the spot<<<<<. Do you comprendo? You or someone else said that these shots take practice and skill, my point was no, they really don't. At all.

3) my point about these shots is that they take the fun out of the game. If you're playing halo do you run around with infinite ammo, invinciblity and every shot counts as a headshot? Because that's the easiest, quickest way to kill as many enemies as possible, doesn't that sound fun guise?

4) I came here asking for an opinion. I wanted to know how the community felt about these shots. I didn't come here for all this bullshit flaming. I didn't call anyone out, I didn't call anyone names, I said hey, this bothers me, what do you think? If you expressed to someone that putting quarters in parking meeters annoyed you and you had ten people show up to tell you how great parking meeters are and how you're a filthy casual that shouldn't park anymore, how would you respond?

5)It really doesn't matter. I wanted a fucking opinion, not to be called a whiney little bitch for having one. You kiddies go back to your glitch spots and i'll keep playing the game and having fun. I'm extremely sorry for thinking that this community could handle an opinion question without turning into a flamefest, I'm done bothering trying to talk rationally to people who don't have the capacity to listen without getting butthurt and lashing out.

[–]mholmes3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well now you know how we feel :)

[–]dericiouswon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh boy, you are fun

1) I didn't claim I never lose, I said that I'm not getting beaten by kids cheesing

So again, what's your issue?

2) the video was to SHOW ONE OF THE CHEESE SPOTS. It was not to demonstrate a real life totally srsbsns game, it was not to demonstrate that I am the worlds best 1v0 idarb player, it was to >>>>>show the spot<<<<<. Do you comprendo? You or someone else said that these shots take practice and skill, my point was no, they really don't. At all.

Dude, I play the game! I know the shots! We ALL know the shots. Thats because we like this game. And yeah, it was me who said those t ed take practice and skill. Because they do take practice, if only a couple of games, this isnt your first time playing obviously. If I have a friend over to play, he can't make those at first. Your 1v0 video only proved how funny you are.

3) my point about these shots is that they take the fun out of the game. If you're playing halo do you run around with infinite ammo, invinciblity and every shot counts as a headshot? Because that's the easiest, quickest way to kill as many enemies as possible, doesn't that sound fun guise?

No, you don't run around with infinite ammo, invincibility and ever shot counting as a headshot....because that's not even in the game. You literally can't do that. The difference is in #IDARB you are supposed to take those shots.

4) I came here asking for an opinion. I wanted to know how the community felt about these shots. I didn't come here for all this bullshit flaming. I didn't call anyone out, I didn't call anyone names, I said hey, this bothers me, what do you think? If you expressed to someone that putting quarters in parking meeters annoyed you and you had ten people show up to tell you how great parking meeters are and how you're a filthy casual that shouldn't park anymore, how would you respond?

Well I think you got our opinion by now. And you did come in here calling users who take those shots (which is just about all) "cheesers" "no skill" and "glitchers". Which is pretty rude. So, yeah, you did ask for a flame war.

5)It really doesn't matter. I wanted a fucking opinion, not to be called a whiney little bitch for having one. You kiddies go back to your glitch spots and i'll keep playing the game and having fun. I'm extremely sorry for thinking that this community could handle an opinion question without turning into a flamefest, I'm done bothering trying to talk rationally to people who don't have the capacity to listen without getting butthurt and lashing out.

This makes you look like a whiney bitch.

[–]BourgDotOrg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're a retard. Please stop playing

[–]Datsoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm confused about what you want to happen. They're high percentage shots. If the defender (you) is in a position where he can't defend against them, people are going to take the high percentage shots. The goal of the game is to score points. Do you want people to only take the shots that are hard, or wait for you to get into position to defend against the easy ones? I'm confused what the problem is and what your solution is...

[–]Maetree[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

My problem is that these "high percentage shots" are way easier to make than a lot of two or three point shots and are worth 5, 10 or 15 points. One "high percentage"shot that can be >memorized< in two or three attempts can completely negate 3-5 regular shots.

[–]Datsoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Ok. There is nothing wrong with memorizing shots. I'lf the three point shots were as easy to make, they would also be memorized. Seems like you just don't like how the shots in general are easy to make. I think I disagree that the three and two point shots are harder. You're so close to the goal for those that it's trivial. The five pointers at least require a little timing, and the 15 pointers are relatively difficult.

[–]Maetree[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know the spots and can do some of them but I don't think it's fun.

The "high percentage"shots have nothing to do with your opponent. 2 and 3 point shots are made based on your location vs your opponents location. If he's between the goal and you, you have to readjust and try to find a different angle or shot. It requires judgement and aim in addition to timing. The high percentage shots are about getting the ball to a designated spot as fast as you can and, if your opponent makes it to the goal in time to play flappy bird with you, it's basically the battle of the A buttons.

[–]Datsoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's not exactly true. There are a ton of high percentage high point value shots from different parts of the map. I can think of like...7 or 8 off the top of my head. You choose which one you attempt based on your opponent's position. When you get outside of the five point line, the platforms get in the way and limit the areas in which shots are even possible.

These shots still have everything to do with your opponent. You have to create space between you and your opponent to even be able to attempt these shots. If your opponent gives that space to you, then you deserve those points. In a 1v1 game, zone defense rarely works.

[–]Maetree[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think we're getting matched against the same people honestly. I've seen three kinds of idarb player:

1) people who don't cheese shot - these games are either really fun, close and intense... or they have no idea what they're doing.

2)people who have no capacity whatsoever to do anything but 2-3 cheese shots - 2 is much more common than 3 and it's less fun than playing single player

3) people who get destroyed the first three quarters and then spend the entire 4th doing nothing but trying for 15 point cheese's - sometimes they're sucessful and it ruins the game, sometime i still win and the fourth Q was flappy bird simulator 2015 (it ruins the game).

If, in my experience, people used them in moderation or the people that used them had some other understanding of aiming, passing, shooting, moving correctly, offense/defense or what the fuck game they were playing... I wouldn't have made the post.

[–]Maetree[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If i had one of those old PS2 controllers that let you program macros for the xb1, I could land "high percentage" shots all day long without looking at the screen. I think there's something wrong with that and I'm being told I shouldn't play sports games.

[–]Datsoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lol. I doubt anyone is using macros on you.

[–]Maetree[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not saying they are, it's the principle of the shots being the mechanical, same thing every time

[–]Datsoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So are the low point shots. Just point towards the goal and shoot. I'd wager that, with no opponents involved, my 2-3 point shots are just as repeatable as the five pointers. They're so close to the goal...

[–]Maetree[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They probably are... but they're worth... 2 or 3 less points before the bounce modifier. If you want to shoot ten 3-pointers for 30 points, that's cool but I shouldn't then be able to go and shoot two "high percentage" 15-pointers and tie the game