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Confused-why isn't the LGBT community fighting these conservative bastards? (i.imgur.com)

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[–]HailMeth_SmokeSatan 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

There's evidence that sexuality and gender identity are fluid (or can be, in some cases). That doesn't mean that people choose their sexuality, or that queer people can be "fixed," it just means that sexuality isn't set in stone.

That's literally the opposite of conservative.

[–]lordtyp0[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Right.. Lets examine shall we?

"Conservative Right": Sexuality is a choice. It can change. It is something you were recruited into. The fact you don't have sex with women/men is an abomination. In some places such as South Africa the community members were forced into sex changes to be 'normal'. Forced reparation therapy is still practiced in some areas. Control your conduct for the sake of your soul. Only we can save you. Etc. etc.

Conservative Left: Sexuality can change. Gay men are the ultimate misogynists-they wont even have sex with women. They chose to not have sex with women-because sexuality is a choice. Whoever things that Dysphoria is required to be Trans is scum and discarding the legitament feelings of StarPower the Rosemary-Kin. StarPower is male on Tues and Thursday, but female the rest of the days. But, don't you fucking DARE use the wrong pronoun or we will call your work and get you fired! You must convert to our ways to save your soul or you are abomination. Also-Transmen are evil and Gay men are transphobic because in a hookup profile some put down penis size wants and 'masculine only'.

Conservatism is about power. It is about forcing others to conform to your wants for societal stability. The Conservative right uses Jesus. The Conservative Left uses SJW ideology. Only real difference is the gang color they don. Thing is-when did the community start letting outsiders dictate what we are? I thought thats what EVERYTHING since Stonewall was about. Most SJWs and are straight white people. Why don't we as a community challenge this shit? It is spread everywhere now days. It isn't just a dark dank pit of Tumblr anymore.

[–]HailMeth_SmokeSatan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Conservative: averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.

[–]lordtyp0[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

No... However the terms Liberal and Conservative are muddied. In Europe for example the Neo-Conservatives in the States are known as Neo-Liberals. In general: Liberalism and Libertarianism is about personal freedom-the second half is role of government. Liberalism is "Government/Community" should assist in reaching potential. Libertarian is: Government involvement stops reaching potential.

Conservatism is control of individual through societal constructs of community and conformity.

[–]HailMeth_SmokeSatan -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No, that's literally the definition of the word conservative: one who is averse to change or innovation.

[–]lordtyp0[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No like.. Literally, like it isn't..

Here is Wikipedia:

Conservatism as a political and social philosophy promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of the culture and civilization.

Free Dictionary: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Conservative+(politics)

Merriam Webster: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

Looks like you need to look up the definition of "Literally" while doing some personal disambiguation on what political terms mean.

[–]HailMeth_SmokeSatan -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think you quite get my point. You're talking about conservative politics (it's in your dictionary definitions). I'm talking about the actual word conservative.

I'm not sure what your problem is with people changing their minds about how they identify. If someone comes out as gay, would you be angry if they then realised they were bisexual? What if they started out only liking one gender and then started to like others? What about genderfluid people, whose gender identity literally hinges their gender identity not being set in stone?

[–]lordtyp0[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Attraction doesn't change though Conduct can. That isn't a hard premise. I made the assertion that the people making these claims were acting like Conservatives-you moved the goalpost to try and claim a word? Cute, though completely pointless as it seems you understood what the topic was. I don't even buy that 'genderfluid' is a thing outside of straight people trying to not be boring old (and by definition evil) straight.

But then I think it was clear in exchanges that my objection was the premise that sexuality is changeable.

I have a problem with this: If you don't. That's OK-I can move on. I am not interested in playing boogeyman-which seems like you are-based on the goalpost moves.

[–]HailMeth_SmokeSatan [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Attraction doesn't change

When I was 12, I was attracted to 12 year olds. Now, I'm attracted to people my own age. Did my attraction change?

On a slightly more extreme level, I went to a talk on transgender remembrance day by a trans man who started out identifying as a lesbian, realised he was trans, and then found himself more and more attracted to men as he started hormones, to the point where he was exclusively attracted to them. Do his experiences mean nothing to you? Maybe your sexual identity hasn't changed, but that doesn't mean other people's can't.

you moved the goalpost to try and claim a word?

When did I move the goalpost?

I don't even buy that 'genderfluid' is a thing outside of straight people trying to not be boring old (and by definition evil) straight.

None of the genderfluid people I know are straight. Most, if not all of them are attracted to multiple genders.

But then I think it was clear in exchanges that my objection was the premise that sexuality is changeable.

The problem with that view is that you invalidate the experiences of people whose sexuality does change. As I said before, what about people who start out identifying as straight but then find themselves attracted to the same gender? What about it happening the other way around, as happened to this guy? Just because you feel one way doesn't mean that everyone does.