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[–]OldBreedThe first empire, because three times is not always the charm 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Geez, someone had a bowl of bitch flakes this morning.

[–]lillahjerteDanskjävel and proud! 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, he IS swedish. That explains a lot, when you think about it.

[–]misogynists_are_gaySweden 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

we are not all like that oh wait yes we are sorry

[–]lillahjerteDanskjävel and proud! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of pleasings! Stop saying "sorry", yuo are not Canada of Europe!

Also it's too late to apologize to us.

[–]DickRhinoGreat Sweden[S] 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Meh, sometimes I just get tired of the waves of people going "context?" as soon as someone decides to not guide them by the hand and let the comic itself do the talking.

I genuinely believe that contest entries tend to have better storytelling than non-contest entry comics, because the contest entries are drawn knowing that you are not allowed to provide any extra context in the comment section, so you have to make the comic self-explanatory.

One of my biggest pet peeves is when people send in approval requests accompanied by a 5-paragraph long wall of text, explaining in minute detail every single panel, and saying "I intend to post this alongside the comic so that people will understand it" (That happens more often than you think). And it's like... Dude, if I have to read all of that just so that I can understand the punchline, then the comic stopped being funny before I'm even halfway through.

[–]MMSTINGRAYUnited Kingdom 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I disagree. Just because you find learning something new takes away from the comedy not everyone does.

Infact the majority of people, even historians, politics graduates, etc aren't going to get every single refernece. History and current affairs is such a broad subject that there is plenty of great material to make jokkes from that the majority of people have never even heard of.

[–]ValleDaFightaDanskjävel in disguise 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

In my opinion there's nothing better (atleast on polandball) than reading a funny comic then checking the comments and actually learning something.

[–]MMSTINGRAYUnited Kingdom 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No education isn't funny. I don't care what you think. I'm telling you that your personal views are wrong. That laughter and feeling of amusement wasn't real, you imagined it.

[–]ValleDaFightaDanskjävel in disguise 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Relevant panel

[–]arrzRolling hills and hayfever pills 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If your joke is complicated you should be able to explain it within the comic, not in the comments. Otherwise it's poorly written. Normally when you see a huge context comment it's because the joke makes no sense in the comic without it. Usually all you would need is another panel or two to set up the scenario fully.

It's perfectly possible to make niche jokes in polandball without writing an essay in the comments, maybe just leave a comment with a link for additional info if people want to read more on the subject.

[–]MMSTINGRAYUnited Kingdom 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

But what harms does it do? If you don't enjoy it, don't read it/upvote it. It's fine you feel like that but other people enjoy learning new things. I am history graduate myself and there have been multiple occasions where I have learny something new and I'm glad for it!

Posting a link is just as damaging (i.e. not at all) to people's experience as posting a mini-essay.

Can't we just enjoy what we enjoy and let the upvotes decide what is most popular?

If we made it so you weren't allowed to provide context and the comic had to be self-explanatory what do you think is more likely? Everyone suddenly gets better at writing comics? Or would you just see even more WW2, 'MERICA is fat and imperialistic, Russia/USSR is evil, Britain created an Empire by being posher than everyone else, etc comics. Now they are fine and often funny but sometimes it is nice to go outside the box a bit.

[–]arrzRolling hills and hayfever pills 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not saying ban context comments, just that a big long context comment is usually not a good sign. A few sentences and a link or two for optional further reading should suffice, the joke should be able to stand on it's own.

And why on earth do you think I'm not interested in learning new things? I'm just not interested in reading five paragraphs of fluff just to be able to understand a punchline. If the comic is good and sparks my interest I can then go and read up on it myself.

The upvotes don't necessarily determine quality, just how many people got the joke. You will often see low effort flag jokes and puns get into the thousands whilst clever thoughtful international relations jokes wallow on a few hundred points. That's just the nature of reddit.

[–]MMSTINGRAYUnited Kingdom 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah but for example I the USSR invasion of Afghanistan. One person might be able to get a comic based off the comic alone, someone else might need a bit of context and another person might need it all explaining. Yet another person might be able to get the joke off a short context post but actually would prefer to read more indepth.

I can then go and read up on it myself.

That's my point though. Some people prefer to read it in the comments, I normally go and do my own research if I'm interested but it doesn't bother me.

And I can concede it perhaps sometimes being an indicator of quality. But the person I was orginally talking to was saying that the context in itself was bad and for stupid people, etc.

And of course upvotes don't indicate quality but they do indicate popularity. Which is why I said let upvotes decide popularity!

[–]arrzRolling hills and hayfever pills 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have a point but I think there is a happy medium. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't be making new jokes that aren't immediately accessible, just that we should be trying to make them accessible within the comic. It's not that hard to do, it just requires a bit more thought into the writing; you can get the point across much clearer, even to people with no knowledge of the subject. Context should be a supplement not a necessity. I think that's the point DickRhino was making too, before he got angry.

[–]DickRhinoGreat Sweden[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Good lord. This subreddit is not meant to be catered to historians and politics graduates (among the most unfunny people you can think of honestly), it's meant to cater to people who enjoy funny comics.

If the comic has to be accompanied by a small essay in order to be understandable, it's not going to be a funny comic. It's going to be a painfully boring comic, at best interesting to a small handful of history buffs who prefer to learn through crude MS Paint comics rather than books.

Look at the people who are widely considered to have made the best comics in this subreddit, guys like /u/AaronC14, /u/koleye or /u/arrz; they practically never provide any "context" (hell, koleye almost never even comments in his own posts), and yet those comics are the ones that have connected the most with our readers. This is not a coincidence. It is because all you need to do in order to enjoy/understand one of their comics is to read the comic, and nothing else.

And that makes them better comics. It sure as hell makes them funnier comics.

[–]MMSTINGRAYUnited Kingdom 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow what an areshole.

I didn't say it should cater to historians and political graduates. I said even those people, who are most likely to be familiar with the events referenced in these comics, aren't going to know everything. So how can you expect a layman to know? Practice reading.

Also last time I checked proffesion had nothing to do with sense of humour.

it's not going to be a funny comic.

No it's not going to be funny to you.

Do you realise how arrogant is to tell other people they are wrong and something isn't funny. No, you just don't find it funny. I do and plenty of others judging by the upvotes.

Look at the people who are widely considered to have made the best comics in this subreddit, guys like /u/AaronC14[1] , /u/koleye[2] or /u/arrz[3] ; they practically never provide any "context" (hell, koleye almost never even comments in his own posts), and yet those comics are the ones that have connected the most with our readers. This is not a coincidence. It is because all you need to do in order to enjoy/understand one of their comics is to read the comic, and nothing else.

Yes of course the most easily accesible ones are the most popular. Same goes for anything.

That doesn't mean that comics with explanations aren't funny (of course, as you have made clear, you don't like them but plenty of others do). And no matter what you think there is no need to take such that tone with people.

Also obviously a comic being simple isn't the key to greatness. This comic is about as simple as it can get, isn't particually clever and references some of the most famous current events. Yet it still fails to be brilliant, it is just distinctly average. Obviously there is something more to making a great comic than being simple. As this comic is the epitome of simpleness yet still fails to be remarkable.

[–]DickRhinoGreat Sweden[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

How come the most rude critics are always the ones who aren't submitters themselves? Such snobbery. It's like that old adage:

Those who can, do

Those who can't do, teach

Those who can't teach, critique

You shit all over the comics made by those guys I listed by dismissing their entire body of work as "the most easily accesible ones", and I'm the asshole? I'm dying to hear what you consider a "brilliant" polandball comic then. Please, provide an example.

[–]MMSTINGRAYUnited Kingdom 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah there are plenty of good teachers.

And trying to dismiss critique by saying "you only do that because you are useless" is just an ad homiem argument.

And I wasn't even trying to insult those guys. I'm not saying easily accesible comics are bad, they are great. I'm just disagreeing with your opinion that comics that have a lengthy context post are rubbish. You completely misrepresented what I said, I didn't "dismiss" any of their work.

And to be honest I only insulted your comic specifically because your tone rubbed me up the wrong way. Petty of me, I apologise. However you were being rude befor I even posted. I stand by everything I've said disagreeing with your argument about context posts. And the fact that your tone and dismisall of other's opinions on subjective matters is arrogant.

[–]DickRhinoGreat Sweden[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you having a laugh? You start out by calling me an asshole, and then you are complaining about as hominems? That's fucking rich.

[–]MMSTINGRAYUnited Kingdom 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't use the insult to justify my point.