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[–]DownWithDuplicity 419 ポイント420 ポイント  (143子コメント)

This is the same school that designates gym hours during the day exclusively for women while not doing the same thing for men, all while charging the same fees to each gender. Yes, there are many racist and sexist liberals.

[–]allanchezar2 241 ポイント242 ポイント  (34子コメント)

Feminist organizations have come out against the existence of male only groups and clubs, while at the same time supporting female equivalents on the basis that women need a place where men can't victimize and oppress them.

[–]ZealotGrunt 179 ポイント180 ポイント  (26子コメント)

And when guys actually create spaces for bettering themselves, SJWs smear them as hate groups

[–]Seen_Unseen 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Just out of curiosity, is the whole feminism thing big in the US? I'm Dutch and here it's not that much of a thing other then our government imposing laws that public companies should hire more females (in top) positions. Now living in China it's more the opposite world, one hand companies openly simply say they don't want to hire small ugly girls but at the same time you see quite a few strong females out here. Girls tend to have a hard time finding a guy even while there are more men out here. There seems to be a big gap in the social ladder when it comes to men between the door guy and the a-typical fat Chinese boss who likes to have a couple of pretty young mistresses.

[–]Appathy 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Our universities tend to be really really liberal, so it's much more common there. Outside of universities/university students I haven't ever really heard much about the SJW stuff going on.

College is about that age where these kids start to feel socially responsible, but lack any real-world experience to guide their ideals...

[–]_____D34DP00L_____ 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your second paragraph summed it up perfectly.

[–]sbd104 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was actually how I based my college choices. Fuck UT I'm going to A&M kinda choice.

[–]Ryuudou -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

College is about that age where these kids start to feel socially responsible, but lack any real-world experience to guide their ideals...

Because you need "real world" experience to care about social justice right? As a black guy: fuck you.

[–]themadxcow 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really only exists in academia in the US. Professors need to be actively researching to remain employed an valuable. When certain fields get flooded with new recruits, there tends to be an increase in questionable agendas.

[–]fakestamaever 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not really. On campuses, it's kind of a big deal. In the mainstream, the only real feminist issues are the whole "equal pay" thing and attempts by some conservative legislatures to prevent public funds from being spent on contraceptives and abortions.

I have no evidence to support this except for anecdotal evidence, but in my experience most American women still prefer traditional gender roles in many aspects of life.

[–]Thuryn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Similar anecdata here: The happiest women I know have all chosen completely different lifestyles. One is a homemaker, one works at a meat packing facility, one is a chiropractor, one is a mid-level manager, two are network professionals, etc.

What separates the happy ones from the grumpy ones is whether or not they are treated fairly. They don't give a shit about "gender roles" because they chose what they're doing. But they want equal pay, equal involvement, equal respect, equal chances to screw up, equal chances to fix the screw-ups, etc.

They don't want to be the same as men. That would be boring. They want to be appreciated and respected for their abilities and their actions, rather than for their body parts.

I'm totally good with this, because it's hard enough to find smart people I can trust to do good work without artificially reducing the talent pool based on color or gender or any other stupid irrelevant thing. Are you smart? Do you work hard? Do you not engage in toxic workplace drama? Pass those tests and you're freakin' hired.

Edit: I think what I failed to emphasize was that I truly agree that the "equal pay" seems to be the biggest thing, because it's still a real problem with very practical consequences. It matters quite a bit. Self-esteem is great, but it won't pay the rent.

[–]rubbishmyjunk 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's big in that it's used as social capital by SJWs and political capital by Democrats.

[–]investingnews 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only to college kids. The real world here doesn't work anything like that, there's no principle to call, or person to tell if somebody is being some way or the other. You don't have instant access to tell a newspaper that there's an injustice and have them believe you or even give a shit (is it going to bring us money or viewers? no? then who the fuck cares?).

Outside of school: If you're rich, you can hire a lawyer and claim whatever you want against somebody, and if you're poor you're at the whim of rich people. That's how life works in the US outside of college.

[–]Snowfox2ne1 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feminism is so so so big in the US. The more left wing the state, the worse it is.

[–]strathmeyer -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, most of our primary school teachers are feminists from twenty years ago so they give it to those young boys pretty good. When I was in grade school the girls got to line up before the boys every day for lunch. Mens' complaints of harassment and assault are consistently ignored until they are adults.

[–]intensely_human -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you're saying all you have to put up with is the government forcing large companies to be placed under the control of women? Gee, so glad to hear feminism isn't that big of a deal in your country.

I hear Scientology isn't that powerful in Gurbenistan. All it's managed to do is get legislation passed mandating that Scientologists hold upper management positions in every corporation in the country. Thanks god Scientology's not that big of a deal in Gurbenistan.

[–]drunkymcbeardson -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

To be fair, some men's rights organizations are hate groups. Not all, but some. Also to be fair, some SJW's are horrible fucking people who use race and gender to judge others.

TLDR Most people aren't crap but some are

[–]Dickbag69 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh horseshit, the same is true about the opposite. MRAs, WRAs, feminists, and masculists are all sexist. "let's improve and promote equality by only focusing and worrying about one gender and discluding all other genders"... True equality comes under the term egalitarian. If you care about men's rights, but also care about women's rights, then you are egalitarian. Feminists are sexist, masculists are sexist, there is no argument against that.

[–]ZealotGrunt 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The whole "concern for men's rights = hate speech" garbage is really disconcerting. Its got about as much actual intellectual punch as saying tips fedora

[–]drunkymcbeardson 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some MRAs make good points, especially when it comes to child care (at least not the one's arguing for solid 50-50 split, which is proven to be bad for children). My brother went through hell with his kid's mom who is completely unfit, so I witnessed firsthand how biased the courts can be towards women. But overall, MRAs are complaining about nothing and making themselves look like assholes in the process. They're kind of like birthers or truthers. Of course, I'll say the same exact thing about Third Wave feminists and SJWs, so yeah.

[–]j0c1f3r 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same can be said about feminist groups....

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    [–]Ryuudou 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's not a "smear campaign". Most MRA dens are in fact very hateful.

    They do this themselves.

    [–]deathcab4booty 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Uh huh and what kind of places of betterment are you referring to?

    [–]I_Am_The_falconer -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    soooo... fraternities?

    [–]kawaiigardiner 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Feminist organizations have come out against the existence of male only groups and clubs, while at the same time supporting female equivalents on the basis that women need a place where men can't victimize and oppress them.

    What happened to the idea of allowing men's only and women's only clubs to exist? or are feminists paranoid in believing that men's only clubs would be where the patriarchy all meet up to conjure up ideas on how the oppress the women folk?

    [–]CSUSBro -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    ...Yes, yes exactly. Women get harassed, so a safe space is provided. Where...where are the men being verbally harassed by hoards of women every day???

    [–]allanchezar2 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Where are women being harassed by hordes of men everyday? Certainly not in the western world in the places where "safe spaces" are a thing.

    [–]Echelon64 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    My preferred word is limousine liberals.

    [–]Canadian_Infidel 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    We need a new party. Badly. We all know what we want.

    [–]BillyTheBaller1996 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hot chicks making out. That's a party.

    [–]Retenrage 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    A pizza party? Where everyone is invited? I'm down.

    [–]goodknee 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How about a pool party?

    [–]anguishsustainsme 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I believe he isnt talking about the actual Canadian Liberal party, just people who ascribe to liberalism type views, which isnt really 100% the same.

    [–]FukRPolitics -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Indeed. I want to vote for economic justice, and I'm starting to getting the feeling that these social issues exist entirely to prevent us from talking about economic justice.

    I will never vote for another Democrat until one of them does something that legitimately expands opportunity to all people -- not just to minorities or women, but to all people regardless of gender or race.

    Right now, the Democratic party is the women's party. 100% of the campaign pitch is 'We love women! (and honestly, fuck those deadbeat men'

    [–]cold__hard__facts -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    that is the perfect description of Hilary Clinton...limousine liberal.

    [–]Ibn1000 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    A couple of steps up. Learjet Liberal.

    [–]RedditDotaMan 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    U of T does this as well and i've gotten into arguments with their administration

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      [–]Fhwqhgads 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Feminism is about equality.™

      [–]Awexlash 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Some people try so hard to be liberal they go all the way back around to being fascists. It's like the worst parts of tumblr.

      The political spectrum is actually a flat circle.

      Edit: Poor wording.

      [–]caseyberg 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Look up horseshoe theory, I find it to be frustratingly accurate

      [–]Awexlash 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I was very confused when I discovered the Nazis and Communists and whatever-Mussolini-was claimed to be far left when they were both socially and fiscally conservative (i think the amount of corruption in the communist system more than made up for the collectivism).

      [–]kawaiigardiner 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Both of them have one thing in common, the collective overrides the rights of the individual in both the far right and far left. The unholy unifying thread between the two ideologies.

      [–]melonowl [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

      Mussolini and his people were the original Fascists.

      [–]bam2_89 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Liberal racists are worse. Most conservative racists keep it to themselves or in closed circles and the most extreme will holler the occasional slur. Most liberal racists are overt and a larger group of extremists act like they're doing everyone a favor.

      [–]PM_ME_MUSIC_U_LIKE 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So far left that they're right winged.

      [–]OPINION_IS_UNPOPULAR 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      All university gyms, and even regular gyms do some version of this.

      [–]bitrollar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I don't think that word means what you think it means (liberal)

      [–]AML86 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I don't think that word means what liberals think it means.

      I like to think of myself as a liberal, but I think I have at least some understanding of what the word means.

      If someone is ardently opposed to personal liberties such as firearm ownership and self-defense, they aren't a very good liberal in the classical sense. This also applies to things modern liberals tend to agree on of course, such as race and gender equality, or recreational marijuana.

      I think libertarians go too far in the spirit of liberalism, but they seem to have a firmer grasp on this concept at least. It's a sticking point that they couldn't make if liberals weren't so opposed to things that fit under their self-proclaimed ideology. They really should not be allowing such a movement to steal their thunder.

      I speak to conservatives with wildly different philosophies. In liberals, though, I see a lot of timid agreement. It doesn't feel like a platform of freedom and expression.

      There are other oddities such as "big government" that doesn't really apply to liberalism, but nonetheless is a major part of the ideology. I am not a proponent of small government by any means. A large safety net is great for progress and common good. These good ideas get dragged through the mud as they're paired with some of their wilder beliefs. I don't want to see the good go along with them when the insane direction they're headed leads to implosion.

      See:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

      [–]bitrollar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      We seem to agree on the definition of liberal then.

      note: by saying "I don't think that word means what liberals think it means" you seem to be continuing to use it as a derogatory term where as the definition you provide and I agree with is anything but derogatory.

      The founding fathers were in reality (true) liberals

      [–]AML86 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      When I was referring to other people as liberals, I meant to allude to "modern mainstream, self-proclaimed liberals". It's not meant to be derogatory, even if some of their behavior is self-destructive. It's really tiring to convey a coherent message and repeatedly use phrases such as the above to refer to that group.

      I wouldn't say that all of the founding fathers were liberals. I would agree that they were more so than not, at least for those well known today.

      [–]bitrollar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Fair enough

      [–]ballzntingz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Because losing less than a dollar a month so religious women can work out is soooooo terrible and sexist.

      [–]DownWithDuplicity -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      You are right, it is sexist when women are given special perks to the exclusion of men. As well, women need to stay home if they can't handle being out in public, not the reverse, where the public has to stay inside to make pathetic, childish women feel safe.

      [–]ballzntingz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I did the math and at my University, women's only hours cost men $8 per year. Would a viable solution be charging men $8 less in ancillary fees? If you think so, start a fucking petition.

      And to further explain, Muslim women in particular don't (or can't) want to exercise during co-ed hours. It's shown that women's only hours make a different in the amount of women who use the gym. Whereas men's only hours DIDNT make any difference in gym attendance or when men went to the gym. So they got rid of it.

      [–]DownWithDuplicity 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I don't care to make sexist policy to appease irrational religious practice or irrational fear. Like I said, if you can't handle going out in public, STAY HOME! If one man's school and work schedule give him so many hours out of the day and if his free hours are when he is excluded from the gym, then you know you have a sexist, discriminatory policy that insulates and prioritizes religious and sexist preferential treatment.

      [–]ballzntingz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Clearly we don't see eye to eye on this. I guess I will end with this. I can agree that private gyms don't need women's only hours. However, in the case of university, where (most of the time) there is no way to opt out of paying for the gym, the least they can do is accommodate religious students being forced to pay. I don't really buy the "it makes women feel safe" feminist argument but I'm okay with the religious aspect in the case of public/university gyms.

      [–]DownWithDuplicity 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I appreciate the conversation and I'm glad you don't put much stock into fearmongering feminists. But you are right, we must agree to disagree. I will never support state-sanctioned discrimination, especially when it results from backward, dogmatic practices that have no business being publically catered to.

      [–]dexer -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Yeah! What's with that? I mean every time I go to work out there's all these girls sexually harassing me and shit. And everywhere I look there's eyes just blatantly staring at my package. Us guys need a safe space were we don't have to feel like a buffet platter.

      [–]bitrollar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Women do go to gyms to seek sausage, i've personally witnessed and heard it. No, not at me.

      [–]dexer -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Explained more clearly; there are women who are approached by men so often that it stops being flattering and becomes a constant nuisance.

      There are also those who feel very unsecure, for a lot of very valid reasons, when men stare at them. Being the target of plain and undisguised objectification is a somewhat stressful affair.

      Still others may have also had some traumatic events in the past, like sexual assault, that make them feel too much anxiety to be able to exercise and lift. Being a guy you might not understand it, but being physically weaker and smaller than at least 50% of the people around you changes the way you generally feel about physical safety around people.

      Look at it like this: Getting yourself to the gym regularly is already tough enough. And even for those who have already gotten passed that and made it part of their regular routine, the gym has become their place of peace and focus. The majority of guys don't worry about the things I just mentioned. It seems to me like it's pretty unfair that some women don't have the opportunity of equal access to the facilities. Think about it. Those who don't feel comfortable going at any other time can ONLY go during the women-only hours. And they're paying the same as you.

      Yeah, I know this is a smaller demograph of women I'm talking about, but it's a much larger demograph than the male equivalent. And if anything they're the ones who need it the most, to become strong and fit and confident and secure in their physical ability.

      (for the record, I'm male, but I'm also a lot weaker than most guys. I'm also bisexual, so I have the potential to find myself at the mercy of someone that's a lot stronger than me, and I'm currently dealing with some PTSD and other anxiety problems so I know how it feels like to want to go somewhere and do something but not being able to because of people that might also be there)

      edit: yay, downvotes for adding to the discussion. Time to consign /r/news comment section as yet another corrupt forum. You tools do realize that eventually people will catch on, yeah?

      You know, you don't have to create such negative shit and live off the backs of other. Start working to a better future for everyone else, and everyone else will be encouraged to do the same. A society where everyone gives to everyone else nets more than bringing everyone else down by taking what they have. Would you rather a stranger give you something voluntarily or take something forcibly from you? If everyone is healthy and happy, we're all more capable of doing more, and more importantly, we're all more capable of creating something new. If we're all just taking or being stolen from, new things are rarely created, and we're all just recycling the same shit over and over again until it falls apart are we're left looking for more. Think more than just your lifetime. The shit you do now affects all things yet to come. And conversely, everything you have now is thanks to everything that everyone did before you. By your very existence you have a debt to the past and you repay it by continuing the cycle, making it better for the next.

      [–]iskapes -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Funny so if people disagree with you there trying to stifle your opinion and are all just reactionary luddites; as a guy who associates with some very conservative and reactionary folks you have a lot in common.

      [–]dexer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You know what makes my day? When my mail icon lights up and I see that there are people arguing politely with me. You know what reddiquette is all about? Polite discussion.

      Besides my first message (I realize I was out of line there, thus I leave my mistake to noted and remarked upon as it deserves), point out to me where in my last post I was in any way discourteous or closed to further argument or discussion.

      Meanwhile, I've received downvotes and no reply besides your comment, some of which is putting words I didn't say into my mouth. Only things I downvote are trolls, and empty or harmful comments that obscure the constructive and helpful comments. I haven't downvoted anyone related to the comments I made in this thread.

      [–]rymmen -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well, I don't know about Canada, but in the US the Democrats have always been the party of racists. They just switched sides once the votes garnered by racism switched sides.

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