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White students barred from funded Ryerson Students Union student group event: Group says students were kicked out for being white (ryersonian.ca)

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[–]MrFlesh 188 ポイント189 ポイント  (74子コメント)

I see race activists have the same interest in equality as feminists.

[–]Redtube_Guy 106 ポイント107 ポイント  (38子コメント)

Anita Sarkissian once tweeted this about sexism

I see the parallel with people who obsess over race relations. "There's no such thing as racism against white people. That's because racism is prejudice + power. White people are the dominant race with power in society."

Kind of bending definitions and justifying inequalities.

[–]badsingularity 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (12子コメント)

So women are never in a position of power, ever? My teachers in school were sexist.

[–]devpsaux 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've definitely been discriminated against as a guy. During college I applied to work for a department store as a cashier. Every day when I came in they would send me to the back to receiving to unload trucks and wouldn't let me cashier. All of the managers were female. When I complained and told them I was hired as a cashier not receiving I was told that guys do receiving and women work the front.

It was a new store that had opened and I was one of two people they had hired with previous cashiering experience. Our training consisted of them giving us a training manual and having us go through them. I trained most of the cashiers who were working the registers because they had trouble going through the manual.

I eventually had to complain to our district manager who finally corrected my manager and put me doing what I was hired for. She hated me after that though. Would always make sure to find the most unpleasant closing duties for me, like push mopping the entire store. The girls got to just straighten up stuff and go home. I'd be there an hour and a half after close making my way around the store with that damned push mop.

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    [–]djanobollo 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    This is especially ignorant and really doesn't even make sense like they think it does. Are they saying there are no non-whites in positions of power, or that if there are, none of them have ever discriminated against whites? Not every white person is "White People". Talk about dumb. Sounds like the same shit people say about jews.

    [–]foodnaptime 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Read a little bit about the Boycotts, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movements happening at a lot of colleges and you'll soon learn that in the last 70 years, the Jews and Israel got to join the White Oppressors Club!

    It happened at my university and a disgusting amount of anti-Semitic rhetoric disguised as anti-Israel speech got spread around.

    [–]goodknee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm kind of anti Israel, but I don't hate Jewish people or anything. What kind of things were they saying?

    [–]foodnaptime 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's good! Israel deserves some skepticism right now, and I think everyone would be better off if Netanyahu were out. But the BDS supporters refused to discuss any kind of politics, policy, treaties, negotiations, etc., and put the entire thing in terms of race. A quote from one of their student speakers:

    "To those who say that this divestment bill makes you uncomfortable, I say: Check. Your. Privilege. To feel that your character and beliefs are threatened by this resolution is a confession that your identity is linked to the exploitation and suffering of Palestinians."

    Basically, she decided that if I was uncomfortable with the university lending its name to the divisive and uncompromising BDS movement, it could only be because my identity as a Jew makes me a racist and a rabid Zionist, and that irritates me.

    [–]Stingray88 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm skeptical.

    I'm anti-israel and I'm Jewish. People almost always assume anti-israel statements are anti-Semitism, and it's simply not true. That would be akin to claiming anti-ISIS statements were anti Muslim.

    [–]foodnaptime 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh believe me, I'm extremely skeptical of Israel and Netanyahu's current policies, and I want him out so some actual progress can be made. But the rhetoric from the BDS supporters didn't discuss politics, leaders, policies, plans, treaties, legislature or negotiations at ALL. It was basically "Israel are the white oppressors [yes, that phrase was actually used] and if you're against a divestment resolution that lends the university's name to the BDS movement, it can only be because you're a racist."

    A quote from one of the student speakers:

    "To those who say that this divestment bill makes you uncomfortable, I say: Check. Your. Privilege. To feel that your character and beliefs are threatened by this resolution is a confession that your identity is linked to the exploitation and suffering of Palestinians."

    I just don't like having my political concerns waved aside because I'm a Jew and therefore a rabid Zionist and a racist.

    [–]Galestar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You can be anti Israel without being anti semetic. Stop trying to equate the two.

    [–]foodnaptime 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Believe me, I know. I am extremely critical of Netanyahu and his foreign policy right now, but the BDS supporters didn't give a shit about politics, laws, treaties, negotiations, elections, policy, etc. They made the entire thing about race and nothing else.

    A quote from one of their student speakers:

    "To those who say that this divestment bill makes you uncomfortable, I say: Check. Your. Privilege. To feel that your character and beliefs are threatened by this resolution is a confession that your identity is linked to the exploitation and suffering of Palestinians."

    Maybe I'm just whining here, but I don't like having my concerns brushed aside and ignored on the grounds that identity makes me incapable of holding a valid opinion.

    [–]Galestar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Okay fair enough; I guess I don't know the whole story.

    P.S. Anytime someone says "check your privilege" they are basically just trying to avoid discussion and silence any dissenters. This is not a tactic exclusive to racists - they borrowed it from feminism.

    [–]SoupOrJuice13 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I honestly can't understand why people use Anita Sarkissian to exemplify a good, fair anti-sexism advocate (or feminist, if you want to use that term). There's just so much wrong with almost all of her opinions. Sure, I'm a guy so take this with a grain of salt - but I also consider myself an advocate for gender equality, if not a very outspoken one. And I really just don't get it. The things she says are so hypocritical it hurts.

    [–]Subculture1000 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Ya, what makes my blood boil the most isn't her, or her opinions, it's that people even paid attention to her in the first place. She really should have been just that weird person that a total of 15 people listened to while the rest of us all just went about our lives. But all of a sudden, she's everywhere because some butt-hurt anti-feminazi douches chose to put the spotlight on her.

    [–]rubbishmyjunk 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    she's everywhere because some butt-hurt anti-feminazi douches chose to put the spotlight on her.

    Nice meme. These SJW "leaders" false flag themselves so they can be put in the infallible position of "victim" and their allies (the press mostly, I don't mean the insignificant blogging morons--oh wait, I forget, what the difference these days?) rush to their defense. Her mantra is "Listen and Believe". Victims are never wrong! Evidence is a tool of the patriarchy! She has the spotlight on her because she wants it on her; her bullshit career depends on it. /gamergate/ and /r/KotakuInAction call these people "Literally Who" for a reason. They, for the most part, make it a point to not talk about the Literally Whos, and that clearly works, right?

    She's also just a mouthpiece for who I imagine must be the most self-flagellating white man (oh the privilege! it burns!) on earth, Jonathan McIntosh. Honestly, I find it easy to doubt that they even believe the shit they spew. They just know there's an audience out there willing to shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars on Kickstarter for literally nothing other than social capital within their circlejerk (delicious SJWbux).

    [–]Subculture1000 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'll admit I don't know a lot about the deeper mechanics of gamergate, or it's main players, as I lost interest in it pretty quick after reading opinions from both sides.

    It just baffles me.

    I'm staunchly in support of human equality, and when I first heard about Anita, I thought "Huh, I don't know what this (Tropes vs Women) is about, but let me listen." After about 5 minutes, I realized the video was pure garbage and just stopped watching.

    Then for weeks I just kept running into news articles, and blog posts, and reddit submissions taking about Anita and Gamergate and all I could think was: "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!"

    [–]MarioAntoinette 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    ...or her opinions...

    Well, if it makes you feel any better, it looks like most of what she says is actually written by her boyfriend.

    [–]SKNK_Monk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I hadn't heard this. Source? That would be hilarious and sad.

    [–]nybbas 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Right? You see people ALL THE TIME going on about how Sarkesian is pretty moderate and blah blah blah. John Mcintosh,The person she is a mouthpiece for is just as crazy/if not crazier than she is (He is her "producer" and many of her tweets are literally copy and pasted tweets he has posted in the past, a video she released in december, was directly from an article he wrote years ago).

    [–]MrFlesh 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    power + prejudice is the definition for institutionalized racism. A term coined by a guy who got 100 people killed, hundreds injured and 400 million dollars in 1960s money in damages because he wanted business closed the day mlk died. Who also incedently was kicked out of mlks group as an extremist. So great fucking hero you got there, you quote mein kamf too? At any rate, the primary example given for institutionalized racism was post ww2 gi bill paying out more to white soldiers than blacks. Fast forward to today and minorities stand at the front of every line. College financing, college access, scholarships and grants, job, gov business loans and grants government contracts, gov jobs and promotions at those jobs. So even if that horshit term was valid, it no longer applies....im always amazed how you "concious" advocates throw this term around but know dick about it.

    [–]anneofarch 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It most certainly still applies wtf. Look at the DoJ report on Ferguson PD, or stop and frisk in NYC. Just a couple of examples.

    [–]MrFlesh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Here we go i can tell by the very fact you brought those two up your going to go into logic skipping talking points of those two....the doj report, which you obviously didnt read, doesnt show racism, what it shows is that the police use local population for revenue generation, something all police do as fines contribute to revenue. Also what it shows is that 90 percent of stops are black. Give that 67 percent of the population is black, and 80 percent of crime is done by black people this isnt remarkable at all. As for stop and frisk it had a hit rate of 13 percent...randome chance would be 1 - 3 percent. Stop and frisk was highly successful at removing criminals, guns, and law offenders from the street. And again over 80 percent of crime in new york is black and hispanic. And the fact you skip over the glaringly obvious way to keep cops out of your neighborhood is to not commit crimes and turn in those you know that do, something both groups are loath to do, astounds me. Because even if you took all the cops out of those neighborhoods it does nothing to stop 80 percent of black murders happen at the hands of blacks...so wtf is your point?

    [–]trlkly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    And what does that bitch have to do with feminism? Stop treating her like she's legit. No feminist I know likes her, unless they are also on tumblr.

    [–]Galestar -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    No true Scotsman

    [–]trlkly -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No, that would be me saying "no true feminist would act the way she does." I pointed out that this guy is quoting Anita Sarkesian as if she stands for what feminism stands for, when most feminists do not agree with her.

    Don't just shout a fallacy without being sure it applies. At the very least, say what you thought I said, and give me a chance to tell you if that is correct. Don't be like those guys who shout "ad hominem" when you insult them.

    [–]Galestar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    She calls herself a feminist. As I see it you are basically saying that she's not a feminist because some feminists you know disagree with her.

    That's pretty much textbook no true Scotsman.

    [–]Hatsee 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    These kinds of ideas are from long ago when they made sense. For some reason though no one seems to have thought that perhaps an idea about cultural norms 60+ years ago is probably worthless after moves were made to try and correct things.

    [–]Tank_Kassadin -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Anita is an idiot, but also a qt. So it's ok.

    [–]gonorealover 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (19子コメント)

    They also have the same tactic : using the victim card

    [–]arabchic 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    my god look at your post history. that's some real vile shit, dude. you should be ashamed of yourself.

    [–]MadHiggins 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    ha ha ha, you post in r/coontown. you surely have an unbiased and totally not crazy opinion on things. ironic that you say they "use the victim card" when you constantly post stuff that kind of proves other people victimize them.

    [–]gonorealover 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    what exactly is the point of your post?

    I still stand correct : their tactic is to use the victim card to further their goal .

    [–]Stingray88 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The point of his post is that you have absolutely no room to make any arguments because you're an ignorant racist. And there's really no room for you to defend yourself, the proof is readily available.

    [–]MadHiggins -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    my point is that anything you have to say on race has no real weight because you're a crazy racist that rants about minorities on super racist subreddits and everything you say, you say in an attempt to make black people look bad because you're a racist. people like you call black people complaining about racial issues "using the victim card" even though most of the issues the black community has are legitimate issues.

    [–]mnl2 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How are you not embarrassed of your post history and not feel stupid?

    [–]mikeeyboy22 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    People can still be correct or hold value in their opinions even if the majority of them are horrible or wrong.

    [–]ghostfox1_gfaqs -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    So? Even Hitler was right about some things (taking care of the environment being the big one). Even the kkk adopted highways.

    [–]MadHiggins -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    you can't make an untrue racist statement become true by tacking it on the end of a true statement. adopting highways is great, but adopting a highway and then saying the highway needed to be adopted because black people are genetically inferior doesn't all of a sudden make the racist part of that statement become true and this is such a common argument of extremists that i'm shocked every time it works on people. in this case, "using the victim card" is a thing black people do because they are often victimized, as shown by the crazed racist ramblings of /u/gonorealover on his crazy racist subreddit.

    [–]ghostfox1_gfaqs 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    So? Just because they're often fucked over doesn't mean they can't also be racist fucks.

    I also don't know why the kkk adopted highways. Ask them.

    [–]MadHiggins -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    no one is making the claim that minorities can't be racist, so i'm not sure what you're talking about.

    [–]ghostfox1_gfaqs 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    You're basically saying that because they're victims often, they get a pass to be dicks back to people who haven't done anything wrong.

    [–]MadHiggins -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    where did i say they get a free pass?

    [–]ghostfox1_gfaqs 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    When you said the original guy was wrong because he's a racist. Pretty clear implication

    [–]Cowicide -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They also have the same tactic : using the victim card

    You mean bigoted, racist, weak piles of shit like you who post in /r/coontown and think blacks, homosexuals and empowered women are out to get your weak ass?

    Yep, you flash that victim card like your life depends on it, don't you? You stunted, sniveling, little weakling.

    [–]rninty__ -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah, imagine if people had ever actually been victims of racism.

    [–]whispen -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Like a mistical world.

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      [–]twoweektrial 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Those are some bold statements you just made there. Do you judge whole groups based on a minority among them frequently?

      [–]MrFlesh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No true scottsman argument. You agree with the ideology, you spread the ideology, you recruitto the ideaology, you provide the soap box and political cover for the ideology, you dont get to divorce yourself from the crazies you created when they take your hate group off the rails

      [–]Ryuudou -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      This to be the most epic Reddit strawman.

      [–]Bonerdramamama 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I don't think feminism means what you think it means. It's literally the exact same thing as egalitarianism.

      [–]MrFlesh 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Yeah dulith model, itle ix men only guilty until proven innocent kangaroo college tribunals, child custody, divorce and alimony laws are real equal

      [–]Bonerdramamama -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      They're not equal, but they're also not part of the feminist-agenda. The people who support that shit are as feminist as Westboro Babtist church members are Christian.

      [–]MrFlesh 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      And? your making a smartest retard argument here

      [–]Bonerdramamama -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      *You're