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White students barred from funded Ryerson Students Union student group event: Group says students were kicked out for being white (ryersonian.ca)

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[–]Changnesia_survivor 1194 ポイント1195 ポイント  (149子コメント)

If journalism students come to your school sponsored event to get your message about racism out it's probably a dumb idea to turn them away for being white. That's not how you keep your group from being judged.

[–]-MegaMan- 984 ポイント985 ポイント  (76子コメント)

Turning away someone because of their race is an excellent way to get your message out about racism.

[–]eagledog 218 ポイント219 ポイント  (68子コメント)

What if that was their plan the whole time? Bring in tons of publicity about racism by being racist. Talk about some Inception-level stuff there

[–]Asidious66 277 ポイント278 ポイント  (32子コメント)

We need to go blacker

[–]starbuxed 240 ポイント241 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Reverse racism. Oh wait that's just racism.

[–]BulletBilll 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Would reverse racism be being exceedingly kind to someone because of their race? "Oh! Sir, here! Please, take my Bentley!"

[–]MisterArathos 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That is still just racism, you are treating someone differently because of race. I think reverse racism would be to treat people as equally as possible.

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      [–]hostile65 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I prefer to go... plaid....

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        [–]badsingularity 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        What if they are just racist?

        [–]MrShortPants 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Would the ensuing legal battle be tax deductible as money spent on promotion?

        [–]whymethistime 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (23子コメント)

        As a canadian I wish this was the case but this goes on all the time. White guilt and the acceptance that somehow men/whites should feel guilty is well embedded here. This is by far not the first event where men/whites are not welcome and won't be the last. Reddit finds it strange but the media in Canada will somehow paint this Union as being so important and any white that complains will be labeled as a racist.

        [–]The_Tomenator 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (17子コメント)

        American here, did Canadian people own black slaves?

        [–]Zebramouse 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Yes. Slavery was abolished a lot earlier in Canada though (1833). And there was never much of a slave trade here; the number of black slaves in Canada was miniscule.

        Edit: did some reading, apparently an act of parliament was passed in 1793 in Upper Canada (modern day ontario) abolishing slavery, and it was completely abolished there by 1810. Upper Canada was one of the first places to abolish slavery in the British Empire, where it was abolished in 1834.

        [–]BulletBilll 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Slavery was mostly aboriginals and not africans.

        Some slaves were of African descent, but most were aboriginal (typically called panis, likely a corruption of Pawnee). Slavery within Canada's current geography was practised primarily by Aboriginal groups. While there was never any significant Canadian trade in African slaves, native nations frequently enslaved their rivals and a very modest number (sometimes none in a number of years) were purchased by colonial administrators (rarely by settlers) until 1833, when the slave trade was abolished across the British Empire.

        A small number of African slaves were forcibly brought as chattel by Europeans to New France, Acadia and the later British North America (see chattel slavery) during the 17th century. Those in Canada came from the American colonies, as no shiploads of human chattel came to Canada directly from Africa.[1] The number of slaves in New France is believed to be in the hundreds.[2] They were house servants and farm workers. There were no large-scale plantations in Canada, and therefore no large-scale plantation slave work forces of the sort that existed in most European colonies in the southerly Americas, from Virginia to the West Indies to Brazil.

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          [–]builderoftheark 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Very few.

          [–]Chelsor 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          If you learn a bit about slavery in the America's, you'll quickly learn that South America imported far more slaves than what would later become the United States.

          Not only did Africans have slaves to offer the Europeans, but the vast majority of those slaves never set foot on North America. Yet somehow America's race problems are front and center in the world stage as if they are somehow unique or in any way more egregious than what was already taking place.

          [–]antonbe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          They abolished slavery pretty early, however, Canada did far worse shit in the late 20th century to their aboriginal population.

          [–]social_psycho 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          No one living in America now owned slaves. No one. So no one should feel guilty about anything.

          [–]I_PUNCH_INFANTS 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If we complain harper will call us terrorists.

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              [–]Phily_Shockwave 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Its an even better way to show that youre racist and have no concept of irony.

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                [–]drunkymcbeardson 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                There are lots of dumb people at that school, I think. Another story on the site is about the student union banning a pro-life group from official recognition. I think pro-life people are wrong, but as a good upstanding liberal I also think censorship is shitty. Something funky is going on at that school.

                [–]FireFromTheWire 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Not anymore. They just got rid of all the funky music playing white boys.

                [–]29384752-324-59 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                SJWs are taking over most universities.

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                  [–]Canadian_Infidel 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  The school will support them I guarantee it.

                  [–]furballnightmare 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I like the ambiguity.

                  [–]Unspool 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Or how you get the message out? Is it a racism sympathy event? Because it sounds kinda like preaching to the choir.

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                    [–]bestsmithfam 1534 ポイント1535 ポイント  (412子コメント)

                    They were asked if they had ever been "racialized." My response "Yes, just now."

                    [–]F8L-Fool 1297 ポイント1298 ポイント x2 (207子コメント)

                    This whole story is a fucking huge embarrassment to me as a black man. I remember in high school we had several white kids come to the BSU (Black Student Union) meetings. Sure, it caused some weird looks here and there and even some jokes (openly, nothing at their expense). But if anyone suggested they be denied entry it would've been a huge ass argument.

                    Even when a few of them said they only came for the pizza and to hang out with their friends, no one tripped. If anything they were honest and who could knock them for wanting to hang out with fun people during lunch?

                    These types of things must always be as inclusive as possible to make actual progress. The fact the organizer actually had the balls to not only admit the truth but justify it should result in his resignation/outright firing.

                    EDIT: First gold, and for a rights post!? I'm honored. Thank you.

                    [–]DontSendMeBoobPics 710 ポイント711 ポイント  (63子コメント)

                    Pizza transcends all racial barriers.

                    [–]Doctor_Bubbles 223 ポイント224 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                    *Free pizza

                    [–]forgetsucha 139 ポイント140 ポイント  (27子コメント)

                    That's bullshit. Put pineapple on it and watch the great divide.

                    [–]tarantula13 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                    I mean the people who don't like pineapple on pizza are just pretending. Everyone likes pineapple and everyone likes pizza, don't lie to yourself.

                    [–]Eurynom0s 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Pineapple is great, but not on pizza.

                    [–]AdvocateForTulkas 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Gonna get shived now man.

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                      [–]jackals4 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I hate pineapple, love pizza, and hate pineapple pizza.

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                        [–]EvenArrantzier 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Pineapple? I'LL KILL YOU!

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                            [–]johnyann 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                            Mary Kate and Ashley knew this way back in the day

                            [–]notenoughspaceforthe 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            WTF is this?!?

                            [–]Lord_of_Fenris 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            The seventh seal was broken, and so they came.

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                                [–]Gravelfoot 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                In the future we are each a single slice of the same grand pizza.

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                                  [–]PhxShylock 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  I tried to go to the BSU at my high school and was advised I wasn't welcome. I was a nice kid in school and was just curious

                                  [–]F8L-Fool 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Which is a fucking travesty if you ask me. Do you know what kids do at BSU meetings? 95% of the time nothing they wouldn't normally do anywhere else on campus at any given time. As for that 5% it consists of the occasional speaker, event, flyer, or project that are actually relevant to the name of the group in some way.

                                  Excluding someone from that when they go out of their way to be involved is just wrong; whatever their motives may be.

                                  These types of unions are mostly about showing solidarity and bringing minorities together to meet and socialize. If someone of a different ethnicity wants to be a part of the process and show support, that's the best possible outcome. Because the end goal is to never have any bias/distinction between ethnicity, gender, or sexual preference, is it not?

                                  [–]Good_ApoIIo 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I seem to remember MLK...uhh...welcoming white supporters...anyone that was down for the civil rights movement. It makes no sense to be exclusionary for anything that purports to further equality. You're not supposed to be choosey when it comes to equality support, that's the point.

                                  [–]greekgooner 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Damn straight

                                  [–]GoodRubik 125 ポイント126 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                  Exactly. And to be blunt ... Isn't having more white people liking black people a good thing for a BSU? (Any race really, on either side of the sentence but this seemed more appropriate for the thread)

                                  [–]Lowbacca1977 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  It reminds me of how the Congressional Black Congress denied entry when they were approached by a white Congressman who had a majority black district, because he was concerned with his constituents interests.

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                                    [–]taoistextremist 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Even when a few of them said they only came for the pizza and to hang out with their friends, no one tripped.

                                    I mean, isn't that why anybody in college goes to a club meeting? I still get involved in mine, but the food's the primary catalyst for that.

                                    [–]lamp37 266 ポイント267 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                    This whole story is a fucking huge embarrassment to me as a black man.

                                    Don't be embarrassed. You are no more responsible for the behavior of these people than I am responsible for racist white people.

                                    [–]periodicchemistrypun 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Yeah but I stopped wearing my U2 shirt after the iTunes thing.

                                    Just kidding i never wore it

                                    [–]notreallyasexaddict 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                    That's beautiful. Now, you guys should make love.

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                                      [–]all_is_temporary 139 ポイント140 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                      This whole story is a fucking huge embarrassment to me as a black man

                                      Here's a piece of advice for you from someone who spends too much time on tumblr being yelled at for things I didn't do: never apologize for things you had no control over. Never. Don't even feel bad. It legitimizes the ridiculous position that you're somehow responsible or that you're like them because you're black too.

                                      I mean, I'm sure you know this much better than I do, especially right at this moment with all the Ferguson shit. It's the core of racism more or less, and I won't pretend that I've experienced particularly nasty racism. But it bears repeating whenever possible. Get angry about this, certainly. But try not to feel embarrassed or responsible, because idiots who blame uninvolved people should be ignored. We're all better off if we refuse to acknowledge collective responsibility as legitimate.

                                      Or hell, I mean, don't get angry about this. Because if you look into it, they weren't kicked out because they were white, and they were in fact specifically asked whether they've experienced racism before. They were kicked out because it's a support group and they didn't want journalists covering it, and whatever socially awkward idiot was the one to do the actual kicking out here explained it really poorly.

                                      [–]F8L-Fool 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                      Good point. It's similar to how some portions of my family are very homophobic. It blows my fucking mind how blacks, historically one of the most oppressed people in the history of the United States, can possibly hate on another group for being born a different way.

                                      I use the term embarrassed simply because I'd hope that people in a similar situation as myself would have better sense. The fact that they don't and I identify with them so much just automatically makes me feel like a piece of shit.

                                      Then again most of humanity embarrasses me every time I look at the news, so in retrospect I guess shouldn't feel too bad.

                                      [–]MoarStruts 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      I get the feeling that one of the main reasons why people can be homophobic is that unlike race, sexuality is not something that is visible to the naked eye, and many people can interpret it as something you have control over.

                                      [–]F8L-Fool 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Very true. Which is probably why it is one of the last in the long line of rights issues to finally get some sort of acknowledgement and resolution. It's much easier to try and force someone to change their behavior than accept it. Unlike skin color or gender which is pretty cut and dry.

                                      [–]RahtidRassClaat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      It has always baffled me why people care whether a person has control over their sexuality. It's such a sad argument. Like we can only accept deviation from our "norms" if they can't help it.

                                      [–]all_is_temporary 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      It blows my fucking mind how blacks, historically one of the most oppressed people in the history of the United States, can possibly hate on another group for being born a different way.

                                      God, yes. I mean, it's easy for me who's never been much of an activist to sit back and criticize, but every single civil rights group has just seemed so narrow minded at the time. Even the gay rights thing right now is pretty bad for this. Sure, they've added transgendered people to the list that they want treated like human beings, but every movement just seems to be "hey, let's take this marginalized group of people and add them to the list that should be treated decently." I don't like that there even needs to be a list.

                                      It's probably more effective to do one group at a time. I don't know. Maybe I'm just a stupid idealist. But I just find it disappointing that it has to be done this way. That we can't have one single, final movement to shift peoples' thinking so that people can be or do whatever the fuck they want so long as they're not affecting others negatively.

                                      [–]F8L-Fool 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Lets not forget the fact that each time one segment of the populace is trying to fight for their rights, another group doing the same thing tries to distance themselves from said group.

                                      Gay rights groups for years have tried to not include trans or more "fringe" things. Black and women's rights didn't allign for the longest time, despite going through the same types of discrimination and movement. Then they just think to themselves "that's not my problem" and forget about others once they have any degree of success.

                                      [–]gimpwiz 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Everyone wants equality for themselves, but not so much for their neighbors.

                                      [–]jaspersgroove 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      It's almost as if most people forget about the needs of others once their own needs are met...a huge part of the reason the GOP still has a chance at winning elections...

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                                              [–]BlackManistan 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Exactly. White folks have always been a small minority in BSU or in other collegiate diversity groups that I have been in. Also, if she didn't want them reporting because it was a support group, a completely legitimate concern, she should have said that. Saying "Go away, your white," is far less useful than "These students may not want personal experiences or things shared at this meeting to be publicized."

                                              [–]genchris 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              These types of things must always be as inclusive as possible to make actual progress.

                                              You. I like you.

                                              Let's be friends.

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                                                [–]BlackSpidy 289 ポイント290 ポイント  (96子コメント)

                                                "racialized".... God, I hate it when people make up words like that.

                                                Is it just me, or does that happen more when social structure is being discussed? Like instead of describing a phenomenon (or using the correct word for it), they (in this case, any person making up any word to describe something that happens in society) make a word up, because reasons.

                                                Edit: ok, apparently it is a word used as early as the 1930s. I guess my problem is less with this word existing, than with a person (probably) using it completely wrong. In this context, I would guess the person used it as a racial equivalent to "victimized" (perhaps the person ignorantly mashed those two together). It seems to me just a bullshit way to ask "have you been victim of racial discrimination?".

                                                [–]rareas 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                I thought it was "radicalized" on first reading. Turns out that was probably correct.

                                                [–]SomeCoolBloke 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (36子コメント)

                                                "Racialization is a concept in sociology describing the processes of the discursive production of racial identities. Racialization thus signifies the extension of dehumanizing and racial meanings to a previously racially unclassified relationship, social practice, or group"

                                                Used at least as early as 2001. Didn't care to google for anything older

                                                [–]Treacherous_Peach 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                You did good hunting, but honestly we use a language built largely on prefixes and suffixes. These words aren't "made up" so much as built with the pieces our versatile language offers. I don't get why people complain when it's used that way.

                                                [–]crawnit 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                People complain because "racialize" doesn't give many clues to its meaning, and when a word is used by sociologists (or philosophers and some others), there's a good chance that the word has a very domain-specific meaning that's slightly but importantly different from what you might assume if you're just looking at roots and suffixes.

                                                [–]00chris00 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                I don't know about that, as a rule of thumb, -ise as a suffix means "To make," So when you hear Racial-ise, it means to make pertaining to race.

                                                [–]crawnit 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                So what does "to make pertaining to race" mean? Try expanding on that while ignoring that you now already know what the word means. Personally, I don't think most people would arrive at a correct meaning that way.

                                                [–]Newtothisredditbiz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I read the definition above and am familiar with the suffix, yet I still don't have a clear idea what the word racialize means.

                                                I could guess, but I'm not familiar with sociology jargon and haven't heard the word used in relevant contexts enough to be confident about how it's properly used.

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                                                    [–]i_love_flat_girls 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    in this context, it sounds like undergrads trying to be smart, that's why. actually, they are /r/iamverysmart worthy.

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                                                        [–]le_prisonnier 145 ポイント146 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                        All words are made up.

                                                        [–]ensoul 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                        Your face is made up.

                                                        [–]GordieLaChance 227 ポイント228 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                        Stop facializing him.

                                                        [–]zupernam 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        That's fascist.

                                                        [–]detourne 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Quite a cumback!

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                                                              [–]somtimesicry 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racialization

                                                              [–]cbdevor 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racialize

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                                                                [–]IntellectualEuphoria 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                So they can now go to the second meeting lol.

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                                                                  [–]G-Solutions 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  At UC Santa Cruz about 6 years ago they had this event about racism and learning about culture but they segregated every9ne by race, and when my wife (an asian) tried sitting with the black girls they kicked her out and told her to go with her own kind. The irony is thick.

                                                                  [–]slyld 929 ポイント930 ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                                                  As Martin Luther King Jr. once said, "judge not by the content of their character, but by the color of their skin."

                                                                  [–]rxchxrd 230 ポイント231 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                  Wait a minute

                                                                  [–]KapitalLetter 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                  Don't discriminate, segregate.

                                                                  [–]Sic_SemperTyrannis 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  Separate but equal. Those white students should start their own racism summit but for whites only.

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                                                                      [–]i555555 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                      "I have a nightmare!"

                                                                      [–]Malaysia_flight_370 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      wow what a racist!

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                                                                        [–]kschott 266 ポイント267 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                        "Have you ever been racialized? You'll have to leave now if you haven't"

                                                                        "Never before this meeting, but I guess I get to stay now..."

                                                                        [–]FinitelyGenerated 156 ポイント157 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                        Turns out they actually walked into the philosophy club. "You can stay iff you can't stay."

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                                                                          [–]BananaWorking4Scale 579 ポイント580 ポイント  (251子コメント)

                                                                          What an embarrassment for Ryerson. I hope the school talks to the group holding this event and points out that.

                                                                          A: They are hypocrites by making race a basis for attending their event.

                                                                          B: This is not acceptable behavior whether done by skinhead Nazi's or misguided "anti-racists".

                                                                          C: Actually opens the school up for one hell of a discrimination lawsuit.

                                                                          [–]harryballsagna 214 ポイント215 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                          This is the same school that blocked a Men's Issues group because it would "undo the equity achieved by women's groups" http://www.macleans.ca/education/uniandcollege/proposed-ryerson-mens-group-faces-hostile-policy/

                                                                          [–]motoko_urashima 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                          The Jews are being oppressed you say? Have no fear, the National Socialist Party will investigate and solve their issues!

                                                                          I've literally never felt like nuking Canada before, but now this shit is ON!

                                                                          [–]0158014 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                          What did Ontario ever do to you, eh?

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                                                                              [–]Jon-Osterman 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                              Ryerson? It's NED RYERSON?!

                                                                              [–]JPRushton 219 ポイント220 ポイント  (85子コメント)

                                                                              How about disbanding the group and expelling the students like they did with the frat guys who did a racist chant?

                                                                              [–]TheCid 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (76子コメント)

                                                                              Different country. Actually Oklahoma doing it is going to get them in trouble in the court's if the expelled students sue.

                                                                              [–]nightwing2000 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                              Yeah, in Canada we have no freedom of speech.

                                                                              http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/judge-finds-ahenakew-not-guilty-in-2nd-hate-trial-1.802574

                                                                              The guy's an idiot obviously, but basically was prosecuted for expressing his opinion about Jews. Just for speaking.

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                                                                                  [–]AlphaWookie 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                  Slide a copy of the Canadian Charter of Human Rights under the door, just sayin.

                                                                                  [–]ham-nuts 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  The Charter only really affords equality protection to historically disadvantaged groups (s.15(2)). Plus the charter may not apply to a student group operating under Ryerson's SU.

                                                                                  [–]HardAsSnails 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                  Actually, that doesn't protect white people... unfortunately. I know it sounds crazy, and I'd be happy to explain it more in detail. I was discriminated from government jobs because I was white. I launched appeals and contacted every person possible because of the discrimination, and it only protects minorities... It's fucking bogus. White people have no protection due to some Trudeau era amendment.

                                                                                  [–]Tulkes 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  Low-income white people have historically been discriminated against. No job for most people means low-income.

                                                                                  [–]HardAsSnails 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  i don't disagree. Most of the policies world wide for racial "equality" only benefit the rich.

                                                                                  [–]MyBodyIs 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  That's fucked up.

                                                                                  [–]eb86 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Same in the US. Its called affirmative action. I was the second to last person hired for a government contracts, but when cuts came rolling through a year later I lost my job and the last man to be hired kept his because he was a minority. Same jobs. Same level of experience and all.

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                                                                                    [–]Canadian_Infidel 300 ポイント301 ポイント  (77子コメント)

                                                                                    "anti-racists".

                                                                                    You mean "anti-whites" because I guarantee that is the only race they are talking about, which is why they don't want any there to hear it.

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                                                                                      [–]umbral_moonshine 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                      A lot of people legitimately believe that you can't be racist towards white people... or maybe my school is just absurdly liberal. I just don't understand it.

                                                                                      [–]lumloon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      They may be meaning "systemic racism"

                                                                                      Except in the case of Zimbabwe that's what happened

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                                                                                        [–]Cogswobble 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        Well, they can definitely attend the next one.

                                                                                        [–]DownWithDuplicity 414 ポイント415 ポイント  (143子コメント)

                                                                                        This is the same school that designates gym hours during the day exclusively for women while not doing the same thing for men, all while charging the same fees to each gender. Yes, there are many racist and sexist liberals.

                                                                                        [–]allanchezar2 246 ポイント247 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                                                        Feminist organizations have come out against the existence of male only groups and clubs, while at the same time supporting female equivalents on the basis that women need a place where men can't victimize and oppress them.

                                                                                        [–]ZealotGrunt 183 ポイント184 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                                        And when guys actually create spaces for bettering themselves, SJWs smear them as hate groups

                                                                                        [–]Seen_Unseen 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                        Just out of curiosity, is the whole feminism thing big in the US? I'm Dutch and here it's not that much of a thing other then our government imposing laws that public companies should hire more females (in top) positions. Now living in China it's more the opposite world, one hand companies openly simply say they don't want to hire small ugly girls but at the same time you see quite a few strong females out here. Girls tend to have a hard time finding a guy even while there are more men out here. There seems to be a big gap in the social ladder when it comes to men between the door guy and the a-typical fat Chinese boss who likes to have a couple of pretty young mistresses.

                                                                                        [–]Appathy 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                        Our universities tend to be really really liberal, so it's much more common there. Outside of universities/university students I haven't ever really heard much about the SJW stuff going on.

                                                                                        College is about that age where these kids start to feel socially responsible, but lack any real-world experience to guide their ideals...

                                                                                        [–]_____D34DP00L_____ 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Your second paragraph summed it up perfectly.

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                                                                                          [–]themadxcow 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          It really only exists in academia in the US. Professors need to be actively researching to remain employed an valuable. When certain fields get flooded with new recruits, there tends to be an increase in questionable agendas.

                                                                                          [–]fakestamaever 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                          Not really. On campuses, it's kind of a big deal. In the mainstream, the only real feminist issues are the whole "equal pay" thing and attempts by some conservative legislatures to prevent public funds from being spent on contraceptives and abortions.

                                                                                          I have no evidence to support this except for anecdotal evidence, but in my experience most American women still prefer traditional gender roles in many aspects of life.

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                                                                                                [–]Echelon64 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                                My preferred word is limousine liberals.

                                                                                                [–]RedditDotaMan 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                                U of T does this as well and i've gotten into arguments with their administration

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                                                                                                  [–]Shadow_of_Sirius 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                                                                  I used to think racism wasn't such a huge deal in the U.S.

                                                                                                  I used to think that is was overly exaggerated by the media, and people on the internet.

                                                                                                  Then I spent time volunteering in Detroit and Toledo, and I learned that racism is very much alive, and is practically bred into the culture of the areas.

                                                                                                  Being called a "racist mother fucker" by kids I had been volunteering my time to help really showed me how naive I was.

                                                                                                  After being stabbed because I was "racist" I stopped volunteering. After realizing, that no matter how nice I was, or how much I helped, I was going to be ridiculed as a racist because I was a white male that wore a tie to work.

                                                                                                  I don't spend any time in Detroit unless someone gave me tickets to a Tigers game. I learned my lessons the hard way.

                                                                                                  [–]Reiia 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  sounds like you been racialized =| Find it weird that people say there is no such thing as racism against white people...

                                                                                                  [–]stillhavingissues 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                  Crazy, isn't it? I have a friend that teaches in an inner city school. The kids call her 'white bitch' to her face even though she decided to teach at a school where she earns a lower salary and more work to do with less resources than a school 20 minutes away to try and make a difference and help them. Needless to say she will be moving on to a different district soon where she will make more money while doing less work and be treated with respect. Her tough skin is why she lasted this long. Some make it a few weeks.

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                                                                                                    [–]PC_Work_Account 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    Related anecdote, I went to high school in a bad neighborhood, it was a little over 70% black. One day Rosa Parks was speaking at our school in the gymnasium. There's not enough space in the gym to fit all of the students, so they started filtering white students out and sending them back to class. I was walking in with my black friend when the vice principle told me the gym was over capacity and to head back to class and wait for the event to be over while allowing my friend to walk in. My friend just started laughing at the irony and walked back to class with me.

                                                                                                    Another time there was a huge riot at school, a huge fight among the black kids where several police had to respond. As punishment it was announced that after school activities would be cancelled for the rest of the semester. German club, French club, Chess club, and even the tennis season was cancelled. You guessed it, all majority white activities.

                                                                                                    God I hated that school.

                                                                                                    [–]sacrabos 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    At the moment they were turned away for being white, they have by definition been racialized and are eligible to attend.

                                                                                                    [–]zensins 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                                    Racialized | Define Racialized at Dictionary.com verb (used with object), racialized, racializing. 1. to impose a racial interpretation on; place in a racial context. 2. to perceive, view, or experience in a racial context. 3. to categorize or differentiate on the basis of membership in a racial group.

                                                                                                    When asked about Hewitt and Knope’s incident, Tanveer confirmed they couldn’t attend the meeting because they were white.

                                                                                                    By definition, the two students were racialized, by being categorized as white, and on that basis alone, excluded from participation.

                                                                                                    Edit: As the black students were also "categorized or differentiated on the basis of membership in a racial group" by being allowed to participate, because of their race, they too were racialized by the student group leaders.

                                                                                                    [–]Phily_Shockwave 169 ポイント170 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                                                                                                    White people being banned/excluded from events: perfectly fine.

                                                                                                    Black people/people of colour being banned/excluded from events: the worst racism youve ever seen!

                                                                                                    [–]HatefulRandom 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                    I had to check this wasn't /r/nottheonion.

                                                                                                    [–]Alarid 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    It's probably there too

                                                                                                    [–]shazbottled 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                    Indian men were just excluded for being Indian men by a German professor. This is blatant racism that a lot of people defended. IMO it is because she word dropped "rape" and when you put anything against rape, people will shout it down. Free speech, right to a fair trial and plain old racism matched up against rape will always lose.

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                                                                                                      [–]thefattestman22 141 ポイント142 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                                      the fuck is "racialized"

                                                                                                      [–]t2brit 190 ポイント191 ポイント  (70子コメント)

                                                                                                      was I racialized the time a bunch of [inner city youth] beat me up and stole my phone?

                                                                                                      [–]Echelon64 262 ポイント263 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      You were culturally enriched actually.

                                                                                                      [–]fancyhatman18 186 ポイント187 ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                                                                      You mean they defended their part of the city from gentrification. You bloody racist.

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                                                                                                          [–]Kbman 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                          Lady: "Have you been racialized before"

                                                                                                          Students: "No, we were just here to report on the event."

                                                                                                          Lady: "Sorry you can't come in since you're white and you wouldn't understand"

                                                                                                          Students: "Well we've been racialized now."

                                                                                                          [–]acheron2013 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                          It is not about stopping racism. It is about brainwashing students into believing they are powerless victims so they will have the (politically) correct leanings.

                                                                                                          It is a common mistake to believe "the system" is in some way broken. The system is working exactly the way the people that own and operate it want it to work. They require derision among the masses lest people figure out the system is the enemy not each other.

                                                                                                          [–]BluRidgeMNT 106 ポイント107 ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                                                                          Seems like the majority of the commentators agree with the group and are calling the article itself racist...

                                                                                                          I guess it's progressive to be a segregationist now.

                                                                                                          [–]Canadian_Infidel 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                          Let's do it. Let's organize another meet-up simultaneous to theirs that is all white only and is also pro-segregation. Let's be clear we are just supporting them in order to fight racism.

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                                                                                                            [–]popname 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                            Hewitt and Knope said they made eye contact with an unidentified woman who appeared to be setting up for the event. She approached Hewitt and Knope and asked if they had ever been racialized.

                                                                                                            They just were. So I guess they're in.

                                                                                                            [–]utevni 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                            Guaranteed this never makes the CBC

                                                                                                            [–]sloppies 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                            Well it shouldn't be surprising. Reddit's own anti-racist police (SRS) also have a strong belief in this kind of logic, even though most of them happen to be white men - take a trip to their comments to see.

                                                                                                            I actually got ridiculed once by their mods for saying egalitarianism is the best way to go.

                                                                                                            [–]Dmw2015 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                            I wonder how quickly their university president will be calling for the group to be shut down and it's members expelled. Oh wait....

                                                                                                            [–]Otters_Akimbo 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                            "And then I'll make them all different colorts and shit, that way we can see who the dicks are."

                                                                                                            -God.

                                                                                                            [–]CrazyInAnInsaneWorld 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                            Somebody call the New Black Panther Party, and tell them they've got allies up in Canada! They'll be glad to hear their ideology is spreading.

                                                                                                            [–]cheezyrabiolee 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                            Group members: All we want is equality in the world

                                                                                                            2 white people come in

                                                                                                            Group members: GTFO, you're not allowed here

                                                                                                            Definitely sounds like equality.

                                                                                                            [–]SergeantChuckles 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                            Sounds like a page from the Neo-feminist playbook.

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                                                                                                              [–]woostermcgee 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                              An attempt to be progressive by people who have no idea how actual progress is achieved.

                                                                                                              [–]Senbozakura222 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                              looks like racism is alive and well.

                                                                                                              [–]Flummoxor 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                              At least they can go to the next meeting

                                                                                                              [–]lcbowen3 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                              Well, now these students can go to the meetings in the future, because they've just been victims of racism.

                                                                                                              [–]MrAaronKane 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                              So does this mean it's whitey's turn to burn down a neighborhood or two?

                                                                                                              [–]one_love_silvia 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                              no its not racist if its against white people. duh

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                                                                                                                [–]PunchingOutGrandma 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                                                Where is Jessie Jackson now?

                                                                                                                [–]CatastropheJohn 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                Banging his staffers right now.

                                                                                                                [–]bdmflyer 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                Busy cheering because white college students got kicked out of school for what they said on a 9 second video.

                                                                                                                [–]Vladdy_P 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                Does he come to Canada?

                                                                                                                [–]Zykium 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                If he smells money he'll be there.

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                                                                                                                    [–]MrFlesh 193 ポイント194 ポイント  (74子コメント)

                                                                                                                    I see race activists have the same interest in equality as feminists.

                                                                                                                    [–]Redtube_Guy 110 ポイント111 ポイント  (38子コメント)

                                                                                                                    Anita Sarkissian once tweeted this about sexism

                                                                                                                    I see the parallel with people who obsess over race relations. "There's no such thing as racism against white people. That's because racism is prejudice + power. White people are the dominant race with power in society."

                                                                                                                    Kind of bending definitions and justifying inequalities.

                                                                                                                    [–]badsingularity 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                                                    So women are never in a position of power, ever? My teachers in school were sexist.

                                                                                                                    [–]devpsaux 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                    I've definitely been discriminated against as a guy. During college I applied to work for a department store as a cashier. Every day when I came in they would send me to the back to receiving to unload trucks and wouldn't let me cashier. All of the managers were female. When I complained and told them I was hired as a cashier not receiving I was told that guys do receiving and women work the front.

                                                                                                                    It was a new store that had opened and I was one of two people they had hired with previous cashiering experience. Our training consisted of them giving us a training manual and having us go through them. I trained most of the cashiers who were working the registers because they had trouble going through the manual.

                                                                                                                    I eventually had to complain to our district manager who finally corrected my manager and put me doing what I was hired for. She hated me after that though. Would always make sure to find the most unpleasant closing duties for me, like push mopping the entire store. The girls got to just straighten up stuff and go home. I'd be there an hour and a half after close making my way around the store with that damned push mop.

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                                                                                                                      [–]djanobollo 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                                      This is especially ignorant and really doesn't even make sense like they think it does. Are they saying there are no non-whites in positions of power, or that if there are, none of them have ever discriminated against whites? Not every white person is "White People". Talk about dumb. Sounds like the same shit people say about jews.

                                                                                                                      [–]foodnaptime 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                                      Read a little bit about the Boycotts, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movements happening at a lot of colleges and you'll soon learn that in the last 70 years, the Jews and Israel got to join the White Oppressors Club!

                                                                                                                      It happened at my university and a disgusting amount of anti-Semitic rhetoric disguised as anti-Israel speech got spread around.

                                                                                                                      [–]goodknee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                      I'm kind of anti Israel, but I don't hate Jewish people or anything. What kind of things were they saying?

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                                                                                                                        [–]SoupOrJuice13 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                                        I honestly can't understand why people use Anita Sarkissian to exemplify a good, fair anti-sexism advocate (or feminist, if you want to use that term). There's just so much wrong with almost all of her opinions. Sure, I'm a guy so take this with a grain of salt - but I also consider myself an advocate for gender equality, if not a very outspoken one. And I really just don't get it. The things she says are so hypocritical it hurts.

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                                                                                                                            [–]wolverstreets 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                            Elsewhere, white students barred from Black Lives Matter assembly by Chicago HS principal. https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/h-s-principal-under-fire-for-excluding-white-113187331852.html

                                                                                                                            [–]edgy_le_rape 213 ポイント214 ポイント  (161子コメント)

                                                                                                                            Some other recent examples of discrimination/racism against Whites:

                                                                                                                            College cancels diversity ‘happy hour’ after learning event coordinators intended to exclude white people - South Puget Sound Community College, Olympia, Washington

                                                                                                                            Parents Upset School's "Black Lives Matter" Event Excluded Other Races - Oak Park and River Forest High School, Chicago

                                                                                                                            Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school - Dicken Elementary School, Ann Arbor

                                                                                                                            Presidential candidate ‘has no place’ in EUSA after discovery of ‘horrendously racist’ remark ("Fuck you white person") - University of Edinburgh

                                                                                                                            Some interesting things have happened lately. I've seen a lot of people on reddit realizing that non-Whites can be racist/hateful/discriminatory against Whites too. That shouldn't be controversial to say, but it is in certain circles! If you believe that all groups are the same, then you should believe that members of all groups are capable of racism/discrimination. Instead some people seem to think that only Whites are capable of those things - which seems pretty racist to me. We're in this funny situation where non-Whites get a free pass in racism/hatred/discrimination against an entire group of humans, because the definitions for those words are being applied in a racially unequal way.

                                                                                                                            [–]Maldras 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                                            No one should get a free pass -- period.

                                                                                                                            It's time all communities are involved in the dialogue and those that don't change, well, that's where tolerance should end.

                                                                                                                            [–]BubblefartsRock 159 ポイント160 ポイント  (36子コメント)

                                                                                                                            I once asked someone that was being racist towards white people why it's ok to be racist towards whites but not other races and she said "its not possible to oppress the oppressor". Like what? fuck off

                                                                                                                            [–]fury420 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                            I totally love how eurocentric and thus discriminatory their new definition of racism is, as if there is no rest of the world full of non-white majority countries.

                                                                                                                            [–]lostshell 140 ポイント141 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                                                            They know they're racist so they're trying to redefine racism to include the caveat "plus power" to create a loophole. Since only whites have power--according to them--only whites can be racist.

                                                                                                                            [–]EmeraldKnight92 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                                            The problem with this definition is that power dynamics vary according to scale and location. A white person in a predominantly black area, for example, is not the one in power at the community level despite being in power at the national level. Or, as an additional example, a black business owner will naturally have more power than their white employees in the workplace.

                                                                                                                            To mention "power" as though it's a universal constant is foolish at best. Reality isn't that black and white (pun very much intended).

                                                                                                                            [–]ParanthropusBoisei 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                            The core of it is that they completely deny individuality and see every member of every group as part of some larger superorganism of some kind.

                                                                                                                            Well, that is until someone discriminates against them when they have power. Then only do individuals begin to exist.

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                                                                                                                              [–]Rhawk187 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                              I can try to keep up if they want to keep changing the definitions of words, just tell me what new word means what the old word meant.

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                                                                                                                                [–]BrackOBoyO 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                                The SJW left has re-defined sexism and racism as prejudice + power. They argue that without the power element those things cannot truly exist.

                                                                                                                                I was on their side for a long time, like 10 plus years in fact, until I started to hear this.

                                                                                                                                I still remember when I was volunteering for a kid's helpline and some fellow volunteers (female) said it to me, the first time I had heard such a thing, over a lunch break. I honestly thought they were joking. After a heated discussion I was accused of misogyny because I refused to accept sexism was a male-only offence. I have distanced myself from the 'equality' movement ever since.

                                                                                                                                Now, almost 5 years on, I have a deep concern for the progress of 'politically correct' culture and the rise and rise of what I call 'oppressive equalitarians'.

                                                                                                                                These people do not realise their logic is contradictory, their opinions are paradoxical, their outrage is self-defeating. Delusion is absolutely the most socially dangerous condition. It is why the Nazis believed they were RIGHT to do what they did, its why the HUTU's believed they were RIGHT, its why the Catholic Church thought they were RIGHT and its why ISIS and Al Qaeda believe they are RIGHT.

                                                                                                                                Just because the 'SJW' movement is generally non-violent, does not mean we should not be equally wary of their delusion. It is a dangerous, dangerous thing and I fear for the future of my society and the fidelity of Free Speech.

                                                                                                                                [–]SergeantChuckles 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                When people say that to me I usually say "Well that sucks because I'm definitely not feeling the benefits of being an oppressor. How much debt do you have? Oh, none? How much upward mobility do you have? Oh, tons? Exactly how is my poor, debt ridden white ass oppressing you? Go fuck yourself, we're all in the same shitty machine."

                                                                                                                                [–]NotTerrorist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                They actually think all white people have it so easy, none of us could ever have a single hardship. Like go away. There are broken, poor people of every race just trying to get by and the last thing any of us needs is someone shitting on us.

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                                                                                                                                  [–]Canadian_Infidel 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  I learned this while living in a mostly black neighborhood. I got threatened several times for being white.

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                                                                                                                                    [–]Littlesheeps 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                    Welcome to the new Canada.

                                                                                                                                    [–]MarrowWanna 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                    I have friends at Ryerson and the SJWers at Ryerson have been out of control for years.

                                                                                                                                    [–]TahaI 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                    aaaandd that is why we cant have nice things. A less racist world is not a world where you discriminate against white people. Whoever raised the people that think this is ok should have looked up planned parenthood.

                                                                                                                                    [–]bendershead 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                    No. They were kicked out because they were crashing a support group.

                                                                                                                                    [–]The_Genital_Giant 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                    "Have you ever been racialized?" Well they have been now!

                                                                                                                                    [–]t2brit 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                                                    I wonder if I have been racialized. My girlfriend had her face punched in ( for no apparent reason ) by three [inner city gentlemen] while walking home.

                                                                                                                                    [–]Element7AB 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                    Your girlfriend just got racially diversified and culturally enriched! No problems here. Remember slavery?

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                                                                                                                                      [–]motu8pre 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      Ahhhh, good ol' racism. Only applies to people who arent white.

                                                                                                                                      [–]Glossolalien 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      Try living as an albino black person. No one understands me.

                                                                                                                                      [–]aTHOR57 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      Yay for social progress

                                                                                                                                      [–]socialismisbad 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      Racism against whites is real

                                                                                                                                      And its not right.

                                                                                                                                      [–]nhjuyt 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      "racialized", is this a thing now?

                                                                                                                                      [–]UrbanDryad 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      In my day we called that discrimination, and that's how we liked it!

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