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[–]RadiantViper 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (18子コメント)

This article is poorly written and is full of sensationalist bullshit. I found a much better one:

http://www.thelocal.se/20150310/well-developed-teen-loses-child-rape-case

"Under Swedish law, having intercourse with someone under the age of 15 is classified as ‘child rape’, but both Västmanland District Court and Sweden’s Court of Appeal have now thrown out the girl’s case, because the legislation also states that a defendant must “know” or have “reasonable grounds to believe” that the child is under age."

[–]H37man 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"The girl - who has not been named in the Swedish media - said she was raped while on the run from her foster home. She said she had travelled to Västerås, just outside Stockholm, but did not have any money, a mobile phone or a place to stay when she got talking to the older man at a playground near his home.

According to her police statements, he invited her in for a drink after explaining that she was hungry and thirsty and police secured evidence that the pair later had sex.

The man initially denied that the girl had been in his home but later admitted it after police found some of his sperm on her underwear."

This article is supposed to make it sound better? He picked up a hungry, thirsty, runaway at a park. He then gave her alcohol. To top it all off he denied having sex with her. Why deny it? If he thought everything was legal their would be no reason to deny having sex with her. Shit according to people on this thread he should have high fived the cop and discussed his resent sexual exploit to him.

[–]UsernameIWontRegret 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think he meant 'sounds better' as in it makes the guy sound better, I think he means it's more objective and less sensational.

[–]Liesmith -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

ITT: Men basically justifying statutory rape and cheering this as a victory because "she was asking for it" and "totally consented by looking over 15".

[–]imundead [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

ITT: People getting butthurt because everyone is misconstruing everything that is being said.

[–]ImmortalMetroid [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Lol are you mad that nobody glorified the pedo? OP's comment implied his link was going to be less sensational bullshit.

[–]IronSidesEvenKeel -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The ambiguity of the charge of "rape" alone made me close the article and check out the comments instead. Thank you!

[–]ApexCannibalKing 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (39子コメント)

Guess what everyone?! It isnt an actual rape trial! He's being charged with 'statutory rape', you know, when a younger girl lies about her age to get into a nightclub, fucks a guy, and he gets charged as a rapist because of our arbitrary views on age and consent.

There is, apparently, no evidence that he forced himself on her or anything like that. She tricked him into thinkin she was of age and it worked.

[–]Warphead 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (4子コメント)

He found her at a playground, hungry and thirsty.

Pretty sneaky of her to pull the old "I'm a fully grown adult in a playground that doesn't know how to get anything to eat or drink" trick on this innocent non-pedophile.

[–]Hatsee [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Their age of consent is 15.

[–]time2crash 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He should have known better when she asked for the toy to go with her happy meal

[–]Artistskater [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I could see how this could happen. I was in cabo when a group of girls were dancing topless at a bar. Overheard them later saying they were in 10th grade. I was totally shocked because I thought they were in their 20's.

[–]helpimnotdying 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (9子コメント)

No no no, he should be lynched because he's not a mind reader.

[–]H37man -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

If you are 27 and are able to be tricked by a 13 year old then society should just demote you back to 6th grade. Maybe by time they graduate this time they may a little sense.

[–]Erleichdaa 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

A couple judges looked at the case and said that a reasonable person could have been tricked by this particular 13 year old. The better article linked here makes it sound like this dude is probably a creep but the idea that you could never think a 13 year old was 15 or older seems absurd to me. I don't think it reflects well on you that you think you're that infallible.

[–]vanishplusxzone [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

More detailed sources make him sound more like a creepy sexual predator by giving the details that he found a hungry, thirsty 13 year old at a playground, gave her alcohol, and had sex with her. Even if he believed she was 15, that behavior is still creepy as fuck. Even if she was 25 it would be wrong.

[–]ghostofpennwast 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If they met in a bar in theory she made it past the door.

[–]AlexWhite 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

She was hungry and thirsty in a playground and he took her home. No bar involved.

[–]imundead [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Source please.

[–]Liesmith -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He found her on a fucking playground, hungry and thirsty and took her home like you would a stray dog.

[–]moonovermybokoharamy -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Should he give her a high school education test to make sure she's been through school?

There may not have been any subjects that came up that made it obvious. If you're just talking about movies and music and shit that people "talk" about while they're out then yes, it is entirely feasible he didn't know.

[–]doktormabuse 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If in doubt, ask for an ID. Or don't go picking up girls on or near playgrounds for fuck's sake!

[–]OMGBakedBeans -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Won't someone please think of the sexual predator? What about his rights to fuck anything with no discretion!

[–]Bookkeep 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

the level of legal ignorance in this thread is astounding.

Sweden doesn't have strict liability on statutory rape.

Strict liability means a crime is a crime regardless of the circumstances.

It's if you have sex with a girl in a club and she's under age it's a crime regardless of the fact that she was in an area for 18+ only.

There is no strict liability so the prosecutor needs to prove that the man knew that the girl was 13.

They obviously didn't.

But getting outraged is much more fun.

[–]Liesmith [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I can't help that half the people defending this dude 1) didn't read the article to see how creepy it actually was, dude basically pulled a Michael Jackson, giving shelter, food, and drink to a hungry girl he literally found on the PLAYGROUND and then basically taking sex as payment. And 2)are sort of jealous of the guy.

[–]Bookkeep [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I read the article.

Why do you think there are so few homeless women? because they have the option to trade their bodies for shelter. Everyone pays for it.

[–]dbe7 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

U.S. has strict liability on a TON of things. For example selling beer to a 20 year old with a very convincing fake ID and you have still broken the law. It's kind of dumb.

[–]HawaiiFO 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I owned a bar and most of the time ( actually never in 10 years) regular cops wouldn't charge the bartender or establishment with anything ( even though they could) if the bar made any real effort to check the I.D. They know there are some great fake I.D.'s out there that can pass most any tests so they don't make a thing out of it and don't require you to do some 5 minute super check with black lights and lie-dectecter tests. A Random ABC sting probably wouldn't bust you as well for good fakes. Most of the time no ones going out of their way to jam up the bar.

Another thing is bars are a cash cow for a city as cops can park next to one, make up reasons* to pull you over leaving and get easy D.U.I.'s. and wet recklessness (compared to a random group of cars). Shut the bar down and pull people over at random their easy arrest numbers go down and fines go down even more ( since that's usually the biggest fine they can get, I.E. best return on investment per hour for the city.)

But if you are a establishment with lots of violence requiring police calls or especially if you are unliked by someone with power in that city, ABC will suddenly do stings that are almost impossible to pass without them getting you on something. Then it can be one more strike and your out, no more liqueur license. That's when bars start doing the elaborate I.D. checks but by then it's to late, they already have you on probation and halfway to sold or closed ( their goal) and it won't be that hard for them to finish the job with a few over-serving charges that are impossible to fight.

  • make up reasons: it's as bad or worse than you think. The head of the DMV advanced driving academy, driving a brand new car, would easily be pulled over by a fresh cadet and that's by design. Just how the N.S.A. wants to know what anyone is doing at all times on all devices and will stop at nothing to accomplish that, if the police want to know who you are and what's in your car no civil right or amendment is going to stop them before or after the fact 99.9% of the time. Lying to you, their superiors, the prosecutors and judge, it's all part of the game that lets them do what they want and everyone with power looks the other way not because of corruption but because that's how it's designed to work.

1) your taillight is out (not out). You want to check it, they say its unsafe. You check it anyways, ohh it must have just come back on, still a legal stop. 2) to fast out of a parking lot or speeding when not. Prove otherwise. 3) you swerved when didn't. 4) smelled marajana when didn't ( this gives them probable cause to do a dog search with no time limit on your detainment or when the dogs show up, as opposed to pulling you over for speeding, no probable cause- then the dogs need to be there in 10 minutes or so).

They are not going to ever give you a ticket for the b.s. charge or even mention why they pulled you over half the time (since up until the point of time you ask they don't care). If your not drunk they throw you back in the bar and pull over the next one who walks out.

[–]MrDoradus 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Calling this rape really washes down the meaning of rape.

I think we shouldn't label consensual intercourse with a minor "rape", because it is something different entirely. This way there will be no possible confusion between these two entirely different acts and no further washing down of real rape, or scaling up of "sex with a minor", speaking in terms of severity, will occur.

I also need to stress that I in no case support what this man did. He should be punished accordingly, but not as badly as if he actually raped her. As in forced himself onto her, which I'm lead to believe wasn't the case.

I know everything in this topic is such a slippery slope and many of you will be deeply offended by my views, but I still stand behind them.

[–]IronSidesEvenKeel 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (9子コメント)

This is statutory rape. However, it doesn't seem to be force sex.

[–]MrDoradus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Calling every intercourse with a minor a statutory rape is the cause of all the confusion. But yeah it was that by current (not legal, I don't think the term statutory "rape" is used in law) definition, which is very flawed.

It's like calling a potato a vegetable, then calling corn a vegetable, then coming to the conclusion: potato=corn. It shouldn't work like that if we want good legal system.

[–]H37man 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Kids that age cannot emancipate then selfs, get a credit card, legally sign a contract, join the army, vote etc so we have decided as a society that they are in capable of giving consent. If someone cannot consent then having sex with them is rape.

[–]chadsexytime [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Ok, so how do differentiate with what this man did and with someone else in the same situation who drags the girl off kicking and screaming and forces themselves on her?

[–]H37man [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

In the states we do it like this sexual assault is assault. It's violent and forcible. Rape does not necessarily have to occur though. Rape is vaginal, oral and anal sex but these can be called sodomy in some states but it's close to the same thing. Finally molestation. It's usually just coerced and not violent. So when some one gets arrested they will be charged with sexual assault and rape.

[–]MrDoradus -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sure. Go ahead, think like that. Then wonder and cry why people walk away with no punishment.

[–]H37man -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well I don't have to worry about that in the states. The guy would have been charged with rape. I guess having the age of consent at 18 is good. We should probably bumb it up to 21 just so people are totally sure they are not screwing minors.

[–]jewscales [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I think it should be illegal unless you're married.

[–]aradil [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Step 1: Make sure gay marriage is illegal.
Step 2: Make sex outside of marriage illegal.
Step 3: Arrest all of the gays.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: No more natural disasters!

[–]Phaedryn [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It's only 18 in some states (12 states), 16 is far more common (30 states plus DC). The other 8 have it set at 17.

[–]TheWireWasAGoodShow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Terrible article filled with specious arguments. If you click on articles like this, you're part of the problem. Only by not clicking on clickbait can we finally free ourselves from shit-tier "journalism". Today I make a vow to never click on daily shitbeast articles.

[–]Xatencio [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You didn't actually make a salient point. Why am I "part of the problem" for reading the article? Is there anything false or misleading in the article?

[–]Xatencio [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

A man who raped a 13-year-old girl has been acquitted on the grounds that her body was “well-developed” for her age

Isn't it still rape, though, if he had sex with her against her will? Isn't her age somewhat irrelevant if she was an unwilling participant?

[–]fulfilledprophesy [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

That's what I came to point out - the article seems to be of the impression that he's being pursued for statuatory rape, not forced sex rape. This title is misleading...

[–]drimadethistocomment -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't get out of a traffic ticket and this guy rapes a 13 year old with no consequence. What the fuck is life

[–]thestupidisstrong -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But your honor, did you see the size of those titties?

[–]hereinAfghanland -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would link to her picture on an overseas site but some of you will have other ideas and motivations so it is not a wise decision to do so.

[–]stormwank [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Ah, the ol' she had big bewbs so its not rape defense. Classic