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I was offered a position at a company that makes a "bro game". It usually results in comments by redditors that shows up in prime. Overall, it would be a good opportunity for my career.
The people I met and would work with are generally nice people. It's just the products they make don't portray women in a good light. I'm not going to be in a position to be able to make change, nor do I really want too. I think that change will come over time though. But, I'm not going to be in a position where I will be constantly exposed to "Killing sex workers". I'll be focused on my piece of the project.
I've talked with some friends and gotten mixed reactions. Some people think it would be cool. Others are like "aren't you a feminist? How can you work for X?". I'm fine playing the game but I understand its flaws.
So I guess. Is it okay to be a feminist and work on a product that is "misogynistic"?
I'm not going to be in a position to be able to make change, nor do I really want too.
I phrased that poorly. The area I will be in has no involvement over the art/quests/text/pretty much anything people see or hear. I'm fine calling out peers for terrible comments, but I don't think I'd be able to influence any of the "visible" aspects as I won't have much input on them. Also, the game I'm working on is "more tame" than some of their other offerings.
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[–]kropot-kin 20 points21 points22 points  (0 children)
From what I can tell, your industry is brutal. Take the money. Spread seeds of discontent. Refuse to engage in specific acts of work that compromise your morals.
[–]possiblymaybejess 23 points24 points25 points  (6 children)
Of course it's okay. Do what's best for you. You don't have to explain yourself to anybody. If it's a good move for your career and you feel okay about it, then I think you should go for it. It doesn't make you a bad feminist or a bad person.
I should note that I'm the kind of person who watches Rent and gets annoyed that they didn't just all get jobs and pay the goddamn rent, though. So maybe I'm a bit more practical and/or mercenary than most.
[–]Willetscat[🍰] 13 points14 points15 points  (2 children)
Haha that play/movie always drove me nuts for that reason!
"Hey man I'm definitely going to go out of business if I keep letting you squat here; can you please pay the rent that was due 12 months ago?"
"HEY FUCK YOU I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS."
[–]turk4lyfe 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
I believe the friend told them they could live there rent free and then went back on that promise. No rent was due.
[–]Willetscat[🍰] [score hidden]  (0 children)
Just looked it up, you are correct
[–]TheSpaceWhale 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
If actively profiting off of selling misogynistic products doesn't make you a bad feminist, what does? Do you have to straight up harass women?
If you want to look out for yourself look out for yourself, but given that you sound like you're not in poverty I don't think you can use "but I need to do this for my well-being" as an excuse. The feminist thing to do would be to decline and explicitly list the studio's misogyny as the reason, and hopefully help them see it's their loss of talent; the neutral thing to do is to just decline; and the un-feminist thing to do would be to work with them.
[–]possiblymaybejess 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
When I first wrote my comment it was before OP disclosed that he was white/cis/male. I think that this changes my opinion somewhat. OP, your white male privilege puts you in a position to make changes, even in small ways. People will listen more if you say "hey, that's fucked up" to killing sex workers than if somebody without all your privilege said so. The fact that you stated you don't even want to try to make changes to the culture of the company seems lazy now rather than prudent. You are seriously the BEST PERSON for the job of trying to change the company culture just by being openly feminist in that space, and you're saying you don't want to.
I'm still not saying don't take the job, but I am saying don't take the job and masquerade as a shitlord to make your life easier.
[–]freezedpeaches[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
The fact that you stated you don't even want to try to make changes to the culture of the company seems lazy now rather than prudent. You are seriously the BEST PERSON for the job of trying to change the company culture just by being openly feminist in that space, and you're saying you don't want to.
I'm fine calling out bs, sexist comments, and racist jokes that peers/coworkers make. The position isn't one were I'd have any control over text/script/quests/art/etc of the overall product. I wouldn't have a problem saying to someone "Hey, what if this quest did X." The issue is I will have zero interaction with the people who do.
[–]occasionallyrude 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
What's the use in having morals if you never use them?
[–]Gambling-Dementor 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
That's a great way to phrase it and I'm definitely going to use it.
[–]Gambling-Dementor 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
It depends on what you value more, really. I think the choice is up to you. Do you value your ideas and morality more than job opportunities? What's more important to you, getting a good position and advance in your career, or stand for what you believe in and refuse to work for a company that doesn't fit those values?
I'm not saying the latter one is always the better solution. It can be hard to find a job, maybe you are in a difficult financial situation and you can't pass on an opportunity like that. But perhaps you can afford to wait a little bit and pass this opportunity for now, and wait for a more decent company to offer you something.
[–]redwhiskeredbubul 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Just take the job. Some people don't have the luxury of making the choice.
[–]00worms00 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
On a personal moral level I think you'd be ok -how many millions work for companies that go against their morals?
BUT assuming you aren't a white cis male, they would be able to use you to say that the company is more diverse, etc. Like the corporate version of, 'It's ok because I have a gay friend once'. And IMO this will be lending the company credibility in certain ways. Could you live with the thought of a gamergator hypothetically using you to fallaciously defend rockstar, or w/e.
-my 2c
[–]freezedpeaches[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
BUT assuming you aren't a white cis male, they would be able to use you to say that the company is more diverse, etc.
I'm white cis and male. So a GGer wouldn't be able to use me as a shield.
[–]00worms00 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Then I'd say go for it. You wont cause any real change but you can rub off on people by being a good example. Plus the career. And it's not like you're working for Haliburton or Koch.
[–]invisiblecows 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
I personally wouldn't do it. I have worked for employers whose work contradicted my values, and it was much more frustrating and draining than I ever could have anticipated. Living in constant cognitive dissonance is awful.
[–]freezedpeaches[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
The project I will be on doesn't involve too terrible things and I will not be exposed to things that 'contradict my values'. The main thing is a few of their other products generally get a lot of criticism.
[–]mimetic-polyalloy 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
The object of the game is to kill hookers?
[–]afndale 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Is the career advance worth enough to you to know that you're dealing with something despicable? I mean, I could be an executioner if they paid me enough for it, but it would have to be a pretty convincing benefits package at the least. If it's just a mediocre career improvement, then what are personal values for anyways?
[–]freezedpeaches[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
I won't be working on one of their "despicable" products. But, the company as a whole makes some which would be considered "despicable".
[–]noflag [score hidden]  (0 children)
I'm sure they have a trove of leakable emails
[–]c4a -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
Are we talking about Cards Against Humanity? Because that really fits the description.
[–]freezedpeaches[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
No, video game company that has been around a while.
[–]sneakystratus 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I'm guessing Rockstar games.
[–]noflag [score hidden]  (0 children)
I'm sure they have a trove of leakable emails
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