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[–]SlayerSWinterStarcraft -101 ポイント-100 ポイント  (92子コメント)

Holy fuck. I'll start with that because I know all my comments are going to be instantly downvoted (I beg of you please not this one).

I haven't gone through in detail because obviously this is comprehensive as fuck. and I even don't fully grasp it.

I.... I don't want to believe it. I don't want to believe everyone was right all this time to an extent.

I have moved on past the accusations for months, almost years since people gave them any real credence. I have even begun to regard them in a completely joking manner.

I'm going to be cliche as fuck here. Real talk. I have thought about, I've gone so far as to even look up viewbotting sites (especially after being viewbotted blatantly before). I would never go as far as this.

I've had insane growth since I went full time thanks to just hundreds, not thousands of viewers. I've had the best year of my life probably. FUCK.

Is there a possibility of viewbots being automatically turned on whenever I turn on my channel. How many are there. Is it happening when I stream on NVIDIA too? I honestly would like more detail and want it public.

Can someone break down this in simple terms, as I am actually convinced. This hurts a lot.

EDIT: This post doesn't hurt as much as the validity of it.

[–]Team Liquidzeromussc 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (2子コメント)

for real though, how many other sc2 streamers "get" viewbotted, and why do YOU get viewbotted by others specifically as opposed to some others? Real legit Questions to ask.

You DO have a large viewerbase but it CLEARLY is not as large as it appears to begin with.

[–]counters14 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Come out with it. We've known for so many months now that it has been going on. Its been over a year now that people have been accusing you, and you've been vehemently denying it. But no one is fooled, it only serves to make you look worse as time rolls on.

The longer you let this lie continue, the worse it gets for you. You don't want to come out and disappoint all of the fans you've built up so far, and I can understand that. But how do you feel when each and every day that they spend defending you against accusations that are valid and true, they grow more devout to you. They get a sense of pride and joy to be able to stick up on your behalf, believing that 'haters' are just jealous and spreading lies. When really, the one who is spreading the lies, is you. You're the one betraying them, not the other way around.

Doesn't it make you feel sick? Doesn't it keep you up at night? Do you really just not care about these people? Or maybe you do care, very much, and that is why it is so hard for you to come forward after all this time?

You've got to understand that the guilt you carry isn't going to flush itself away. You need to come clean if you want to ever feel better and start to build a legitimate reputation that your viewers and yourself can all take pride in.

This hurts a lot.

I'm sure it does. And doing the right thing isn't going to feel any better in the moment. But you'll know it was the better choice when you can finally lift the burden you've been carrying off your chest. Just be honest with yourself and everyone who supports you. They deserve it, and you owe it to them.

[–]buttreynolds 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your new gimmick can be starting over with new Twitch accounts and SC2 accounts at the same time to show how to get Masters and TTV partnership.

[–]Protossaleivgaem 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I.... I don't want to believe it. I don't want to believe everyone was right all this time to an extent.

This is hilarious.

[–]epicnamez 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

haha yea how you can still play the innocent card like this is beyond me

[–]ZergScendo [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Did he just stutter his typing?

[–]yankedoodle 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Only if bots could upvote. DaFeels

[–]BetaBomb 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just ask Chanman

[–]Terraninfinitum17 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pardon me, but Chanman manually managed those hard-earned upvotes with his alt accounts! No robot crutch!

[–]scBaldwin 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking LOL

[–]Randomsamw3d [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

[x] rekt [x] not rekt not even an option so rekt

[–]Loves2Speedrun 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Literally playing dumb, classic stuff here folks.

[–]Codonbyte 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Of course it's possible to program bots to tune into your channel every time you go live. Twitch sends out an email every time a streamer you follow goes live. It would be the easiest thing in the world to write a program that responds to emails using a high-level API such as .NET.

But come on man, the circumstantial evidence against you is pretty high. I mean, you're majoring in internet marketing, are you not? Obviously you've studied all about white-hat vs black-hat SEO.

And please explain to us why somebody who hates you would spend copious amounts of time, money and effort to do something that has a high chance of helping you and only a mediocre chance of hurting you? You really think somebody who hates you is going to viewbot you with the HOPE that someone notices and starts a thread on reddit or something?

If someone hates you, they're not going to viewbot you, they're going to ddos you. I've seen that shit happen to multiple streamers, such as Artosis and Avilo, and heck even twitch itself.

[–]cumthrowawaya 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And please explain to us why somebody who hates you would spend copious amounts of time, money and effort to do something that has a high chance of helping you and only a mediocre chance of hurting you? You really think somebody who hates you is going to viewbot you with the HOPE that someone notices and starts a thread on reddit or something?

Maybe he has a secret admirer instead

[–]Falberd 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is... Is the secret admirer Winter?

[–]ProtossGeorgeTheGorge 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, you clearly gained 2000 viewers in 5 minutes of streaming because of your top level analysis of your build in beating a silver league player.

How dense can you be?

[–]Primebrollebol 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Dang you went for the "I pretend to stutter in a written post (lol?) and act devastated in the same way a kid is when he finds out santaclaus isn't real" where almost any other strategy would've worked better for you.

Should've gone for a more mature response, this feels like I'm reading the script to some melodramatic play.

This is silver league crisis management at best.

[–]SubredditControl 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is silver league crisis management at best.

ROFL! Just brilliant, m8.

[–]Malletr 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

dawg when will you come back to d.gg i miss you buddy.

[–]SK Telecom T1YoungKeezey 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is silver league crisis management at best

Maybe he'll find out how it feels to get smurfed.

[–]globaldunked 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quality stuff right here.

[–]greyfacenospace 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (2子コメント)

he must have wrote this while having sex with his GF as this post is all over the place

[–]Zergtyna_phillips 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I too like to post while masturbating.

[–]nigookmixbear 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

damnit tyna ur so fucking hot... plz check out my craigslist ad

t4t ~StRoNgAnDbEaUtIfUlTrAnNiEsUnItE~

[–]nrta 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can someone break down this in simple terms

read the post. you dont need to be spoon fed.

[–]MVPPanozen [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

He wants someone to explain it to him as if he's in gold league

[–]Incredible MiracleSymphony1 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I...When I... just saying that I... Fuck.I never meant to, it wasn't, you just weren't, forgive me.. I cheated... I Fucking cheated on you... with bots.

DAE good apology?

[–]ZergJollyWhiskerThe4th 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I.... I don't want to believe it. I don't want to believe everyone was right all this time to an extent.

LMAO FOR FUCKS SAKE WINTER, GIVE IT UP

Is there a possibility of viewbots being automatically turned on whenever I turn on my channel. How many are there. Is it happening when I stream on NVIDIA too? I honestly would like more detail and want it public.

D'AWWWWWWW, THE OBLIVIOUSLY CUTE CARD <3

[–]IfTheseTreesCouldTal 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is literally the dumbest shit I'd heard all month, DER is there a possibility that maphacks being automatically turned on everytime I play starcraft? Lol, this is too good.

[–]MVPPanozen [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The 'I.... I' stuttering IN TEXT really got to me. Sh... shows h... how emotional he is. I... I, C'mon, I, ugh, It's just... It's just so incredible, r, rrr, rright guys?

[–]Team PropertyDjorjx 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kappa

[–]MVPpassionstone 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The backpedal is real

[–]Jaedang 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

lol

[–]SK Telecom T1UmberBane 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm just replying to you randomly so that I won't forget to check this tomorrow. Hope you don't mind.

[–]FloopzMcgoo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The save feature is default now, so even if you don't have RES, which you definitely should by now, you could just save it.

[–]Pewkie 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I aint anout to use a new feature. I mean. Thats why i play SC after all.

Hahahaha...

Oh i hate change.

[–]SK Telecom T1Ureth_RA 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

We all knew this day would come. Goodbye 60k

[–]KT RolsterBallisSTLife 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

RIP in pepperonis

[–]rtc7788 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

60k?

[–]ZergPCHSC2 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're the biggest joke in the SC2 community

[–]Zerglmdrasil -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He and kellymilkies would make a fantastic couple!

Perhaps they could 2v2 from bronze to masters showing us the power of bru frame herrions and zerglings!

[–]ROOT Gamingw-man 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol k

[–]-stin 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I have thought about, I've gone so far as to even look up viewbotting

Why would you even SAY that?

[–]Zergtyna_phillips 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You've never been retarded, so you wouldn't understand.

[–]Zerglmdrasil 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All of my up TLOs to you my good sir!

[–]Team EmpireOuroborosSC2 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So he can say, "Yeah, but that's as far as I went! I totes didn't follow through!"

[–]Terraninfinitum17 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, if in some alternate universe Winter wasn't viewbotting, but was constantly being accused of it, it would make sense for him to do some research about it and be tempted.

Unfortunately, we are this universe, and he did viewbot.

[–]StarTalechimaloo 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I... I don't want to believe it

Oh my fucking god at least own up to it

[–]AxiomNickVids1313 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Dude, I mean you can't have not known all this time that you were being viewbotted. It was so obvious.

[–]Zergtyna_phillips 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I rarely stream, and I'm pretty sure I would know IMMEDIATELY if I was being viewbotted. Everyone has some intuitive feel for how many people are watching, on an almost visceral level.

[–]Terraninfinitum17 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right? That's one truly unbelievable part of his post. He really thought he magically got thousands of viewers out of nowhere? Even if I could buy that he thought that, in that case, he would be the biggest narcissist I'd ever heard of, and he'd deserve to be ostracized from the scene just for that!

[–]IfTheseTreesCouldTal 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

LOLOL fucking stupid.

Is there a possibility of viewbots being automatically turned on

[–]FloopzMcgoo 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Upvote for visibility, but Winter, come on man, have some self respect.

No one is buying that you didn't know about this, even if they believe that you weren't directly responsible for it.

[–]KT RolsterEmoryToss17 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one with a brain should believe that either.

[–]Terraninfinitum17 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

almost years since people gave them any real credence.

Dude, you haven't even been a popular engouh figure in the scene for people to know who you are for "years"...

[–]AirSC 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

See, I knew Winter wasn't viewbotting. He said so, so it has to be true. No one would ever lie about something like this. Right?? RIGHT???? Someone must be spending time and money botting him cuz they love him. /s

[–]StarTalebduddy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are two possibilities. 1, you are lying. 2, you have a very rich, very persistent, and very strange enemy. Usually you would know about such a person in your life. Best start looking.

[–]Axiomlogicalcynic 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

..in the mirror

[–]Old Generationsczolg0sz 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe in you winter. I'm donating my entire next paycheck to you senpai so you can live the dream. I'm also following you with my new 10 twitch accounts so you can add more sheeple to your splash page. Stay strong and keep raping those bronze kids.

[–]Leadback 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

TL;DR INSTEAD OF ME USING VIEWBOTS IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT SOMEONE IS STALKING ME AND PUNISHING ME BY HELPING ME MAKE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER YEAR??????????????

[–]k3k3k3k3 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is just getting pathetic dude...

[–]Gama BearsRightToBearArmsLOL 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/25x6uq/does_winterstarcraft_use_viewer_bots_he_has_2500/chlmm5p

It is very obvious when the viewer count goes from 2000-3200 in 5 minutes what is happening. Otherwise believe what you want, I am not botting, have not botted, and will not be botting

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/257n93/hi_im_wintersc_currently_the_1_sc2_streamer_i_am/chei8qx

It is very obvious when viewerbots come/go and it is not a regular basis, and it's actually very annoying because you can't tell exactly what your real viewercount is.

I guess its not as obvious when you purposely stagger your bots over the first hour of your stream heh?

[–]WeMade Foxzelacor 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Started laughing at "I dont want to believe it "

[–]ZergRhyuken 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

DaFeels

[–]HitTheOtherGuy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just tell your viewers to go upvote the comment. Then it won't matter if all the haters down vote you.

[–]KT RolsterEmoryToss17 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

He doesn't have enough actual viewers though lol

[–]Team LiquidRenMinKi 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its over m8.. pack your bags

[–]ZergKang19 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lmao

[–]ProtossRenouille 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

uh...

[–]asdf3456 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seems that some evil genius devised this vicious plot and viewbotted you 3k viewers and 5k $$$/mo in order to hurt you in the end Kappa

[–]KT RolsterxAngelDustx 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol

[–]AxiomSymtex123 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

FYI reddit users you should upvote official responses for visibility.

[–]AxiomPsychonian 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

roflmao

[–]KentBaron 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Winter, you are a huge faggot.

Yours sincerely

-The bitter and cynical members of the SC2 community.

[–]Leadback 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

FUCK OFF CHANMAN

[–]Xaxxon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've unsubbed, but yes, it is easily possible for a computer to find out when you go online (either from email/ios notifications or just checking once a minute) and taking any type of action when it notices you're online. This could include sending viewbots your way.

But that costs money and creates risk of them getting caught. Why would someone spend money and potentially lose their revenue stream to send bots towards a fairly innocuous starcraft streamer? That's like going to the store to buy something getting caught for using stolen money and saying: "How did these sequential bills with serial numbers from a bank robbery get in my wallet? Could someone have snuck into my house while I slept and put them there?" Sure. They could have. But it's more likely you robbed the bank.

Also, I gave your post an upvote, as it's an interesting read whether you believe what you're saying or not.

[–]Evil Geniusesdryj -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey, bro. I really like your stream :) I choose it over others because you're interesting and the commentary is good. For what it's worth.

[–]Zerglmdrasil 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kappa

[–]KT Rolstermikwow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If every streamer with haters had someone viewbotting them so that they get banned, Avilo would be the top streamer of Starcraft II by far. You're making a fool of yourself even more.

[–]thirdstreetzero 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a load of shit - the fact is, you tell yourself something long enough, you will simply believe it.

[–]Team Liquidesoterikk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get off it, we all know you aren't legit, you know you aren't legit, can cut the shit.

[–]TerransdBOOGIE -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol "best year of my life" if i could play starcraft for a living for a whole year without doing any actual work it would be the best year of my life too.

if you want to make a living off starcraft, get good and win tournaments. beat koreans. but, as it stands, this whole community hates you and it's your fault.

[–]TerranTheSnooze1331 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

good stream, never suspected bots, love the content. frankly dont care if there are bots on your stream.

[–]Rewben2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you've blatantly been caught viewbotting could you at least try to defend yourself in a less pathetic manner?

[–]ColdFire86 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

reported

[–]elloman11 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

ROFL, stop embarrassing yourself. It's over, you are exposed, let it go. You are a liar and a fraud, nobody is going to believe anything you say, so just let it go because its all over.