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[–]Waithe390Sorry Pup, Starvation Mode! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (35子コメント)

The reason this "debate" exists in IQ and is even more "controversial" than obesity is that IQ is largely genetic, and blacks in America have an average IQ of 85.

Talk about fee fees getting hurt.

[–]Space_Ninja[-841] Emphatically Hitler[M] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay guys, we're not the word police here, but this is a debate for other subs. Don't start this shit here.

Anybody who continues this gets banned for shitstirring (rule #3). Everything that needed to be said has been said.

[–]BobEsponja420Mr.Shitlord 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Don't be racist.

The lower IQ rate correlates more closely with standard of living than race. The lower IQ rates are an average and reflect the lower socio-economic standards of many blacks in America.

There was a study that followed black and white children fathered by american soldiers, but raised in Germany post WW2 by their white mothers. The study found no significant differences in IQ between the Black and White children.

The conclusion was that nuture is just as important in determining IQ as genetics in most cases. Subsequent studies have come to similar conclusions. In most cases your standard of living is more likely to determine your IQ than that of your parents.

[–]Waithe390Sorry Pup, Starvation Mode! 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Sorry but this is simply not correct.

As you can see, the mean IQ gap between whites and blacks actually increases as SES (socioeconomic status, a metric used to assess standard of living) increases.

On the SAT, blacks in the highest income bracket perform at the same level as whites, asians in the lowest income bracket.

[–]BobEsponja420Mr.Shitlord 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh fuck.

I didn't think it was THAT bad.

I will admit, my best students are almost always asian.

[–]Waithe390Sorry Pup, Starvation Mode! 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's pretty crazy, drives me nuts. Letting dumb people into med school for political reasons is like letting fat people serve in the military. IMHO.

[–]BobEsponja420Mr.Shitlord 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Universities need to remain elitist or their worth diminishes.

The army doesn't let fatties into every career. Yes they have to be "inclusive" but certain careers demand certain physical capabilities which exclude most fatties.

I was in the Canadian Forces for 5 years and almost every fatty in uniform was working at a computer and could have been replaced with a civillian. When I was deployed there were even fewer fatties. The fats that did manage to make it over were still expected to perform the same tasks as the fit soldiers. One of my friends lost 30 lbs while deployed and became normal size.

[–]MonbacknaowHaterVerified Shitlord 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Saying hi from the other side of the border. Unfortunately a decent chunk of our guys in combat arms positions are fat. I'm a line medic (about to take over as senior line) and if I had a dollar for every fatty that complained about their knees hurting in the field I would retire.

[–]Waithe390Sorry Pup, Starvation Mode! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Although combat readiness is important, the army has socialized healthcare in the US, hence why I think it's particularly abhorrent that there are so many fats in it. Also, in the case of an all-out war they should be prepared as a matter of principle.

[–]BobEsponja420Mr.Shitlord 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone gets socialized healthcare in Canada which is worse imo.

The Canadian Forces is rarely in dire need of additional soldiers so we haven't had the need to lower the standards and every soldier still has to pass basic.

[–]MissModelVerified Shitlady 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (22子コメント)

What does this post has to do with race though? And why did you have to single out blacks?

[–]Waithe390Sorry Pup, Starvation Mode! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Because most other races aside from aborigines are in a tight group around 97-107 and no other group denies that IQ is a relevant metric for assessing intelligence. the movement OP is talking about already does exist, almost entirely amongst blacks or people fighting for "social justice." Im really not kidding, there are tons of people who actually believe the "genius at any IQ (as long as they're black, low IQ anything else is stupid)" argument. It's like fatlogic, except with stupidity.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

The origins of it are long and convoluted, but it's mostly a product of the Cold War, where soviet disinformation campaigns sought to blame western imperialism for all problems in the third world while they simultaneously provided arms and money to the most violent revolutionaries they could find in Western leaning countries. They would tell them that their problems were no fault of their own, that their lack of economic and academic success was a result of western racism, and the only way forward was to kill the white man and kick out the western leaning local government. Later on, these people and ideas would immigrate to the U.S. And continue the same beliefs and so we get what we have today, huge problems with obesity in minorities, and in some cases extremely low literacy rates (53% of Detroit is functionally illiterate). This is of course a result of bad parenting, illegitimacy and laziness, but the behavior of blaming the white government for their problems continues in both obesity and illiteracy. Unfortunately with IQ, most of the variance is genetic, I think .80. sooooo unlike with fatties where we can say "lose weight" we can't make people more intelligent, education does have an effect on IQ, but only to a very limited extent, especially when the starting point is 85. An IQ of 84, a single point below the black average, is "borderline mental functioning" according to the APA standards of intelligence, hence why the topic is extremely controversial and why so many fee fees are always being hurt.

I don't think the statistics with regards to race and IQ are wholly unrelated to the statistics of race and obesity.

[–]briibeezieeeVerified Shitlord 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know much about IQ and race, but it seems like an interesting topic.

[–]TheStroomis -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Mods, can we take care of this guy? This guy is a crazy conspiracy theorist who links to wikipedia articles and graphs that look like they were made by little kids. This guy posts in coontown. If we let comments like this stay here, this just gives SRS and SRD the fuel they need: "See, I told you everyone at /r/fatpeoplehate was a horrible racist and/or misogynist!"

[–]PhatPeopleHateVerified Shitlord[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn I was just trying to make a fat joke, wasn't trying to start a race war up in here. Can't we all just get along??

[–]Waithe390Sorry Pup, Starvation Mode! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (17子コメント)

just gives SRS and SRD the fuel they need

You mean, yourself? You mind explaining why you're not verified?

Fuck off fatty I don't stand down to the fee fees vs facts bullshit.

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf

[–]LikeTheGypsyLadySaid 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Guy is seriously racist and anti-Semitic based in his past posts. Please GTFO racist.

[–]FaliceerI'm just bulking -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really, he just doesn't like the inept and degenerate. Fuck off, fatty.