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Do you know why zombie movies are popular? It's not just the gore, it's not just the horror, it's not just the question of whether you could survive, though those things are all part of it. No, the reason zombie movies, especially Romero-rules zombies, are popular is because they serve as a metaphor for our culture. We are the walking dead, not because we're fighting against walkers, but because we go through our lives with no real meaning, no real challenges, just a lot of angst that we all know, deep down, is nothing but bullshit. We're nothing more than consumers, and we know this isn't how we're supposed to live, so we fantasize about a life where the struggle to exist is real; and that struggle is against what we see in ourselves: empty, meaningless, walking dead.

Saying a virus caused all this completely ignores that metaphor and says "Oh, this is just scifi, but isn't it cool???" We have to accept that the walkers are walking just because. Because that's all we're doing, walking through life and waiting for some stranger to put us out of our misery with a knife through the temple.

[–]Ialmostthewholepost 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 3 時間前 (6子コメント)

You're not wrong. But there is more than one level to any decent story, as happens with TWD. While you speak of the underlying themes of TWD, we wouldn't be exploring those themes unless the virus had ravaged the TWD universe. While the virus isn't the end all to be all, it is what precipitates the story and allows it to grow from a police chase where an officer is shot.

As for speculating on how people would determine what's happening and what the cause is, there are a few common camps. People would be watching others get bit and/or killed, die, and then come back to life. The religious crowd would call it the apocalypse, some would call it the next step in evolution, some would think there's a drug or chemical or bioweapon causing a mental illness. But the action of it and how it is delivered would fit a viral model in most people's minds - they would see someone get bit, the slow decline and death, and then resurrection. Especially in the beginning people would be seeing this over and over repeated with the same result.

You can ignore the first season and claim there's no virus. There are signs all throughout that the characters suspect as such, within this last season. Without spoiling anything, there's a scene where a character kills a Z and gets cut with the same knife, and then has to reason that if will not cause harm because they're already infected.

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While you speak of the underlying themes of TWD, we wouldn't be exploring those themes unless the virus had ravaged the TWD universe.

You're kind of missing the point here. The themes exist because there is no virus. That's what makes the walkers metaphors for us and not just the result of some pathogen. It's the difference between Romero-zombies (which are a force of nature) and WWZ-zombies (who are victims of a pathogen). It's a completely different thematic structure and tells a completely different story. In one you can escape it, in the other you can't. Handwaving and saying "everyone is infected" first off ignores how viruses work; secondly, it means that there could be a completely isolated group of humans somewhere that aren't "infected", and hence they are safe from the ravages of walkers. The "reality" is, no such group exists, because there is no virus, corpses come back to life because that's how things work now.

Are you getting it yet? Are you starting to understand why this is such a big deal for me and why I won't drop it, no matter how much people try to censor me?

Without spoiling anything, there's a scene where a character kills a Z and gets cut with the same knife, and then has to reason that if will not cause harm because they're already infected.

You can also interpret that scene as proof that there's nothing inherently dangerous about walker blood. Which would be absolutely true in a universe where coming back as a zombie is just a natural process of dying with an intact brain. But not true if it's something spread by a pathogen.

And the character you're talking about was not in the first season, and they have not shown any of the first-season characters talking to him about any kind of virus. We can't assume knowledge transference that hasn't been shown, therefore that character has no reason to view walkers as victims of a pathogen.

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[–]Ialmostthewholepost [非表示スコア] 37 分前 (1子コメント)

We can't assume knowledge transference that hasn't been shown, therefore that character has no reason to view walkers as victims of a pathogen.

OK, so what caused the switch in the TWD universe from normal to undead cannibals? There was knowledge of a virus in S1 which you ignore with your fingers in your ears with blinders on. Fine, bearing of proof is on you.

Handwaving and saying "everyone is infected" first off ignores how viruses work; secondly, it means that there could be a completely isolated group of humans somewhere that aren't "infected", and hence they are safe from the ravages of walkers. The "reality" is, no such group exists, because there is no virus, corpses come back to life because that's how things work now.

The actual reality is that you're going from your knowledge of the show, which is snippets of one group of traveling survivors. Using the term "knowledge transference" looks good but the truth is that you have no knowledge of other groups and the possibilities of the world as they haven't been shown. Since you ignore S1 and information from Jenner about the state of other research facilities from other locations globally, we could just as well assume that North America is messed and the rest of the world is fine. You. Don't. Know. Because. You. Haven't. Seen. It. It hasn't been revealed yet.

In one you can escape it, in the other you can't.

TWD isn't over, they could end it by being surrounded by a herd. You don't know and are merely speculating. And either way, when you die you become walker. There is no escape but death.

Also, I'm not talking about other zombie media, every writer has a theme of his or her own and that's no surprise. They all use a metaphor to explore and reveal the theme to us, the audience. I'm in here to talk TWD, Romero has been analyzed enough as is, and WWZ as a book is it's own masterpiece in a lot of ways.

Your argument is based on speculation and ignores 20+% of the storyline. Characters aren't talking about virology because they're not scientists and are busy surviving day to day against the elements and both live and undead monsters. Your explanation of the universe is that it just shifted and happened, it can't be a virus despite what S1 said, and nothing further - magic.

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