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    Feminists don't hate men. But it wouldn't matter if we did

    Jessica Valenti
    Jessica Valenti
    Hurting men’s feelings is not the same as life-threatening misogyny
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    If a woman hates men, it has approximately zero effect on any given man. Photograph: Alamy
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    One of the most common derisive taunts thrown at feminists – and one of the oldest – is “manhater”. It’s been around since the days of suffrage, and still gets used today, though its a pretty anodyne insult. Most feminists, like me, shun the label and work to convince people that despite the stereotypes feminists absolutely, without a doubt, do not hate men.
    But so what if we did?
    It’s not that I recommend hating men or think it a particularly wise use of one’s time, but to each her own. Straight white men still hold the majority of political, economic and social power in the world, and everyone else struggles to make their lives work with less. So if the worst thing that happens to a man is that a woman doesn’t like him ...well, he has it pretty damn good. It’s not as if we’re living in some sort of Wicker Man-inspired dystopia, after all.
    Besides, when women hate men, we hurt their feelings. When men hate women, they kill us: mass shootings have been attributed to misogyny, and sexual and domestic violence against women is often fuelled by a hatred for women.
    That’s why it’s so hard to take seriously any claims that “misandry” is a tremendous problem – they’re based on the idea that merely insulting men is similar to the life-threatening misogyny women face worldwide. (Most recently, Newsday writer Cathy Young argued that men being called “mansplainers” or rape apologists is akin to the rape and death threats that women get online.)
    But a younger generation of feminists has embraced what Slate writer Amanda Hess calls “ironic misandry”. Hess wrote last year that the rise in popularity of “male tears” mugs and man-hating inspired shirts and crafts serves as a sort of fuck-you to the constant barrage of harassment that feminists often face: “On its most basic level, ironic misandry functions like a stuck-out tongue pointed at a playground bully.”
    Guardian contributor Jess Zimmerman – and self-proclaimed “misandrist witch” – told Hess: “It’s inhabiting the most exaggerated, implausible distortion of your position, in order to show that it’s ridiculous.”
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    In other words, calling ourselves misandrists is both a way of reappropriating one of the most common insults feminists weather, and a way to blow off some steam after a long day of fighting the same battles we did 30 years ago. And honestly, if feminists really hated men we’d probably come up with a better way to hurt them than funny t-shirts that insist that their tears are delicious. (Men may have some very sensitive parts, but even the manhating-est among us doesn’t go around kicking them willy-nilly.)
    Despite all the fun-loving, internet-in-joke misandry, the vast majority of women and feminists do not hate men. Many of us might hate bad men: the sexists, misogynists and all-around jerks. But our hatred is just a feeling, and not something that can impact men in any meaningful or oppressive way.
    Men who claim to be genuinely worried about man-hating or “misandry” are grasping at straws, and searching for a victim status that simply doesn’t exist. Guys are still doing pretty well, so let us have our “man-hating” fun while you go on ruling the world.
    But keep one eye open. (Just kidding ... sort of.)

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      Way to defend Misandry.
      I used to be a femininst.
      Then Snowden broke and I began to read the Guardian and encountered how deeply entwined misandry and feminism are.
      Valenti is destroying feminism, one article at a time.
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      "Besides, when women hate men, we hurt their feelings. "
      Tell that to Andy Warhol.
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      What a horrible article, even for Ms Valenti.
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      I'm starting to think that Jessica Valenti is just a contrarian who takes great pleasure in writing click bait articles.
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      As a straight, white male I have to say...it's not all it's cracked up to be. Being born a wealthy or upper middle class straight, white man...now that's where it's at. All those "white rite" privileges I've always heard about and the general easy life that my skin color and genitalia were supposed to grant me I either squandered somehow (though I don't remember ever having any extra privileges) or they simple aren't related to all straight, white men. Being a white man means that most not white men (and a good amount of white men) see you privileged, entitled, ethnocentric, arrogant, and sexist. As fun as that sounds...it gets old some days. I do love how Jessica never EVER mentions the ways women hold back equality for women, undermine feminism, or the areas women receive preferential treatment over men and how wrong that is if feminism is truly about equality for all. Just keep pointing the finger at everyone else...nothing is ever women's fault is it?
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      Any form of hate matters. This article is nonsensical.
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      It was men who wrote, legislated and enacted all misandric legislation to date, including no-fault divorce. They did this at the behest of the gynocracy. The patriarchy does exist – and it’s filled with white knights, captain-save-a-hos and manginas – all of whom will gladly betray the majority of men to get a sniff, keep their jobs and get re-elected. Feminists are only half the battle. The other half of the battle are those that live on bended knee, with swords drawn, ready to sacrifice other men for a self esteem boost, ego stroking, gynocentric approval and a taste of tuna taco.
      There is nothing more damaging to the vast majority of men than the patriarchy and white knight/chivalrous men. These men are extremely naive, ignorant and self-serving. Men in power will gladly throw the majority of men under the bus to gain favor with the gynocracy, to keep their jobs (get re-elected) and to maintain the status quo (see ‘1 in 5′ and ‘yes means yes’).
      Alimony, child support and default maternal custody are constructs of men and constructs of a time when women could not support themselves financially. This is American patriarchy. Men made these rules, which have, through divorce, destroyed countless millions of men’s lives. Though feminists did milk it for all it was worth, the patriarchy made men the disposable gender, not feminists.
      It was mandated by society that men be providers and protectors of their families, just like women were mandated by society to be homemakers and caregivers. It was mandated that men go to war and sacrifice their lives for women and children. Those men that refused were branded cowards and ostracized socially and financially. Men and women that didn’t play ball were demonized by both patriarchs and matriarchs. In the past, for a man to get a top-level job, he had to be married with kids. This social rule still exists today – enforced by both the patriarchy and the matriarchy.
      The patriarchal structure was designed to benefit women and those men at the top – and to make the majority of men disposable. This is how we arrived at male-only selective service and the male only draft. Feminists distort the real truth when they paint all men as evil oppressors. Why do they still do it? Because it’s served them well for many, many decades. Now, as things are backfiring, you can smell the desperation. The patriarchy and gynocracy are seeing the err in their ways. Naive white knights and misandric feminists are getting their just due. Better late than never.
      The single most misandric institution is marriage. Men give all of their power over to their wives when they marry, which is why men should never marry. It is the patriarchy that gave women this power over men though marriage, not feminists. If you look deeply into the agendas of major women’s groups, you’ll find them fighting to hold onto this anti-male power.
      What men really need to understand is that both the patriarchy and feminism are working against the vast majority of men; hence the debunked rape, wage and domestic violence statistics. That feminists and many male world leaders continue to run with the deeply flawed statistics tells you everything you need to know about their agenda. Why do they keep using the debunked wage, rape and DV stats? Men are now and have always been the disposable gender. This fact has never been more clear than today. The powerful, cowardly, white knights of the patriarchy will continue to throw men under the bus to appease the gynocracy. I guarantee.
      Our future is Sweden’s present. High out of wedlock births, low marriage rate, low indigenous birth rate, mass immigration, feminist movie censors, males made to pee sitting down, the redefinition of speech against feminism as hate speech, sky high taxes and misandric government leaders. Our future leaders will be split between feminists and their cowardly white knight lap dogs.
      Expect to see more and more policies and laws that shift men’s assets over to women in the relatively near future. Of course, these policies won’t be called “Bachelor Taxes” outright. Instead, men’s wealth will be shifted under the guise of equality and fairness, with a clear bias against the evil men and in favor of the poor, poor women. If you look carefully, many such laws and policies are now/have been in place for decades.
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        This is not true. Feminists wrote the laws that exclude male victims of domestic violence and their kids from state funded services. In California I had to sue the state to overturn those laws in Woods v. Horton. Feminists also fight and defeat any introduction of joint custody laws. Feminists are mobbing the homes of innocent college men accused of sexual assault before they have a hearing like at Duke and UVA and are eroding men's due process. At UC Berkeley they protested a meeting about how to allow due process. Finials argue for lower criminal sentences for women. They even tried to create a man tax in Sweden and other countries. It is a myth that feminists are innocent if discrimination against men.
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      ... mass shootings have been attributed to misogyny, and sexual and domestic violence against women is often fuelled [sic] by a hatred for women.
      and serial killings have often been attributed to isandry (Aileen Wuornos) and just today the Independent and the BBC are running a story of a woman who scalded her husband with boiling water in a domestic abuse case.
      Of course cases such as these can either be framed as women v men v women by a very bad misandrist writer or intelligent people can shine the spotlight on these cases from every angle and see how the issues are, in fact multifactorial.
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      "so let us have our “man-hating” fun while you go on ruling the world."
      Crass article, perpetuating usual division. Misandry has a significant social effect, especially on young men. Highlighting the problem of misandry in no way reduces the seriousness of misogyny, it's playground logic to think it does.
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      I don't "hate" man.
      Here's what I really hate: Being told years ago that "I don't have to pay you as much as a guy because, you're just a girl...."
      yes, that's a direct quote.
      Now, what I did was avoid having anything to do with THAT idiot. I never worked for, near or with him.
      Ever.
      I looked for people - of any sex - who would appreciate my talents and my work ethic.
      I avoided people who would not respect me. I didn't make a huge noise about it. I'd just walk away. I never ranted or said silly things like "I hate men" because that's rediculous, unprofessional and a waste of time.
      And, I DID find reasonable people who treated me professionally.
      There's lots of really nice men out there. Just keep looking.
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        But still , it is disturbing to have had such an experience, right? Since salaries are confidential, statistically you may well be paid less that your professional and respectful male colleagues, even though they don't say it in your face anymore.
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        Here's what I really hate: Being told years ago that "I don't have to pay you as much as a guy because, you're just a girl...."
        When I was 22 I desperately wanted to get into airline management and I tried very hard and was interviewed by two guys for British Midland Airways for an entry position that boasted propspects. Customer handling at Heathrow.
        When I asked if they had reservations re hiring me (a stock question I had learned to flush out any objections) one said (as the other nodded sagely) that you interviewed very well but we hire women for this job. and shrugged his shoulders as if it was all out of his hands and that I should just take it on board.
        This is not a male v female isuue. It is an issue fighting traditions. Society and culture gets stuck in a groove and needs nudging sometimes.
        This incident was beack in 80s London and of course they wouldn't get away with it now nor would any company want to.
        Later when a guy was interviwed by out HR manager to be my team's secretary (later to be referred to as an admin assistant) the female HR manager came in and said he was the best candidate (usually females were candidates)'
        "He is the best one ... look: I don't think he's queer"
        He didn't get the job and they gave the position to a female.
        That's when I came out at work.
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        of course it's disturbing.
        I HATE being insulted like that. And I know I've rarely been paid what I am worth.
        My point is that being a Feminist means taking responsibility for your own life and career. You can't be a baby about it. You pick yourself up by your bootstraps and do whatever you have to do to do your job as an adult.
        Staying away from losers is very important. Sometimes someone will do something illegal. In that case, take legal action. Document the behavior. Be smart about it.
        In other cases walking away is the best action.
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      After all the Women's liberation we've finally stopped treating women as objects. Now they're
      product. Seen a Playboy or Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition or Maxim or Internet sites?
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        Seen a Cosmopolitian or a Daily Mail?
        Comodofication of the human body and the marketing of insecurity seem to be issues breezed over by some.
        Why have you missed this?
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      Mass shootings have been attributed to misogyny
      By whom?
      Oh - wait - you link to your own article as evidence.
      lol
      So mass shootings have been linked to misogyny by you.
      Well. Unicorns have been linked to fairies. By me. The overwhelming urge is to say "so what"?
      This article reads like it was written in ten minutes by a teen rushing to get homework done.
      It. Is. Dreadful
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      I struggle to believe that anyone who actually buys and wears this stuff is doing it purely as a joke. It's like going, "Haha jk! But not really.."
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      "If a man – any man, apparently they're all the same – says he hates women, he's being sexist. But some women have no qualms about pigeonholing all men into one category of violent, abhorrent brutes and calling it feminism. And that's when feminism becomes nothing more than another form of sexism."
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      "Man hater" - that takes me back, back to "strident, shrill old maids". If you reach back to Victorian days, you'll find feminists being called "strong minded". If you wonder what was wrong with a strong mind, it was that it showed the women was becoming "unsexed". Horrors!
      While I usual enjoy Valenti's articles, I can't agree that women mirroring male misogyny is harmless or even fun. Unfortunately, as better writers than I have pointed out, oppression doesn't teach people anything but oppression; it doesn't make them noble, ensure that they seek only the best ways to respond or refrain from trying to dish out what they have received from the oppressor.
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      Problem with Valenti's idea here is that the majority of us straight white men do not rule the world. The world is ruled by an elite who happen to be straight white men , for which she blames all straight white men.
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        Precisely.... it's a bit like the 'white privilege' phenomenon. I can't imagine walking up to a white, homeless person next to a train station in Brussels, here in Belgium, and explaining to him/her that he or she is actually the beneficiary of 'white privilege'. Of course, I do understand the argument to do with structural racisme, and how 'white privilege' exists as a phenomenon, which does not mean that you should go around automatically identifying any 'white' person, or 'white-looking' person, with 'white privilege'. On top of that, there are some pretty complicated phenomena and histories to do with ethnicity and class out there in the world. I, for one, look white, but after 911 my Southern Portuguese mother was repeatedly attacked and threatened by extreme right wingers in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, as they identified her as a North-African woman, because she actually is mostly of North-African, and a wee bit West African, origin. When my mother tried to file a complaint at the police station after being attacked in a department store on 14 September 2001, the policemen refused to do their job, and mocked her: 'HAHAHAHA! What is this little Moroccan lady doing here?' And my sister's name is Fátima, and my Portuguese dad's mother was Jewish, but yeah, I'm just another white guy, one with a working class background, child of so-called 'gastarbeiders', or 'guest workers'. Wow, I'm feeling privileged, as a highly educated, un(der)employed man, who speaks six languages.
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      Consider the alternative: you say nothing but hateful things about a group, many of them easily disproven, and maybe you just do hate that group.
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      In fact, Valenti's discourse is based on very old-fashioned role patterns: women are all sweet and harmless, they are passive victims... they need protection, they need their rights to be respected, but have few obligations. They need to be protected by big, strong, dumb men under the guidance of tiny, weak, smart women. In the mean time there are a lot of women - and men, and girls&boys - who are being abused, exploited, mistreated, or even worse. But - as far as I can see - Valenti is just a privileged bourgeois 'feminist'.
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      Congratulations on being part of the problem.
      I'm not entirely sure how so-called feminists of you ilk think:
      White men own most of the pie.
      We (women) want an equal piece of the pie.
      The people best positioned to help us overturn centuries of unequal pie ownership are the people who own most of the pie.
      So... alienate, belittle, and accuse all pie owners of awful shit.

      On behalf of people, women and men alike, who wish to see equality, can I ask you to stop calling yourself a feminist, and stop offering your opinions however clever or ironically intended?
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      Valenti's discourse is based on an image of women as being sweet, innocent, soft beings, not capable of any sort of morally reprehensible and even criminal acts. "Besides, when women hate men, we hurt their feelings. When men hate women, they kill us." Yeah, 'they' kill 'us'. They are all the same! Men... and according to her, women are also all the same. See: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/male-domestic-violence-victim-i-never-imagined-something-like-this-would-happen-to-me-10105586.html
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      Is it really necessary for The Guardian to employ a dozen of these columnists to churn out the same article every day?
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      I am a straight white male and a staunch feminist. I am male by a fact of birth, nothing more. Hatred is best avoided at the best of times, and there is certainly no place for ill-founded hatred. Does it not matter for a feminist to feel hatred towards men such as myself who are as passionate about the cause as they? Like it or not, in seeking an equal society men must be a part of the solution. So yes, I think it matters. Hate the act, not the perpetrator. And if you can't do that, certainly don't hate those who have not even committed the act.
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