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    What a masculinity conference taught me about the state of men

    The International Conference on Masculinities examines the modern man, via talks on My Little Pony fetishists, fantasy role-playing games and how men can be more emotional in their friendships
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    My Little Pony Photograph: Alamy
    Adam Gabbatt
    Adam Gabbatt in New York
    John Bailey, a graduate student at Rutgers University in New Jersey, and Brenna Harvey, a grad student at the University of Connecticut, are showing a group – an even mix of men and women, mostly in their 30s, mostly graduate students studying gender – the fruits of their research into bronies: men who like My Little Pony. They have been studying a particularly extreme subset of bronies, they explain. Men who fetishise the ponies. The pair bring up a screengrab. One brony has posted a picture of a My Little Pony wearing sunglasses and drinking lemonade by a pool. In the comments beneath, the poster has made the fatal mistake, at least within this community, of admitting that he lost his “wizard eligibility 26 years ago” – has had sex with a person – and that he does not “clop” – that is, masturbate – to the images. Another brony had responded immediately: “Go be normal somewhere else, faggot.”
    It is the second day of the International Conference on Masculinities, an annual meeting of the best and the brightest in the field of masculinity research. This year the conference is being held in New York City, at the Roosevelt hotel in Manhattan. The conference is hosted by the Center for the Study of Men and Masculinities at Stony Brook University, in conjunction with three other organisations which are also broadly working to improve gender equality by researching, or engaging, men. Hundreds of academics and activists will attend sessions over four days. Facebook chief operating officer and feminist Sheryl Sandberg, fresh from launching her #leanintogether campaign for gender equality, is among the speakers, and author Naomi Wolf is chairing a session.
    It turns out that stories like those of Bailey and Harvey – about repressive masculinity manifesting itself in the most unlikely of situations – are quite common. Even in a group of “self-described nerds” who meet up to fight each other with foam swords, there are parallels to the ways women are held back in more mainstream society. But the conference will offer some hope for men, too. In one presentation, attendees learn that shed ownership is proving a real boon to gender equality in Ireland. In another, we learn that some men in the US are showing real progress in “friendship labs” – designed to teach men how to be friends with one another.
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    Tough Guise 2: one of the DVDs on sale at the conference. Photograph: Adam Gabbatt/Guardian
    Bailey and Harvey had found that there was a community on the image-based bulletin board 4chan of men who like My Little Pony. Within this community, having sex with a real person, in real life, is seen as a negative – and not “clopping” is a form of heresy. What was happening here was an example of “normal” hegemonic masculinity in action, Bailey and Harvey said.
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    The term “hegemonic masculinity” is used a lot here. It is the theory of how men manage to assume and retain dominant positions in society, at the expense of women. Being a hegemonic male means being powerful, dominant, stoic, successful, like the actors Arnold Schwarzenegger or Jason Statham. It is about not being weird or different. Men strive to attain this ideal, and as they do so, women are held back.
    Bailey and Harvey found that even men who fancy My Little Pony cartoon characters are likely to scrap with each other using similar terms and putdowns to “normal” men, even to the point of using the same terminology, such as “faggot”, to police their environment.
    After the talk, Bailey tells me that one of the main takeaways from the pair’s research is that it adds to the understanding of how and why even young men can “reject feminism so aggressively and so vehemently”.
    “Men have a hard time buying the notion that there is a patriarchy, that there is male privilege,” he says. “The feminist talking points don’t make any sense to them. I think it’s something that the feminist movement and feminist allies need to be cognisant of and aware of and find a way to talk past that.”
    One of the people in the feminist movement who is attempting to talk past that resistance is Sandberg. I collared her before the conference’s official opening gala. She has managed to get some of the most popular sportsmen in the US – basketball player LeBron James, for one – to back her Lean In campaign, which combines an element of educating men about the plight of women, with a carrot-and-stick approach to encouraging them to improve it.
    “We have to help men see that equality is not just the right thing to do, but actually beneficial for them,” Sandberg said. “Men who lean in at work and support women do better.” According to Sandberg, it’s the same in the home. One of the most notable parts of her campaign is its introduction of the word “choreplay” – introducing men to the idea that those of them who share the housework and childcare with their partners get more sex than those who do not.
    Using sex as a tool for gender equality feels like a distant proposition the next day, as I listen in on a presentation entitled “Epic glory and manhood acts in fantasy role playing: Dagorhir as a case study.” Dagorhir is a battle recreation game. “Think Tolkien, Game of Thrones,” says speaker James Martin, a sociology graduate student at the Indiana University of Pennsylvania, and there is a photograph on an overhead projector of a singularly unthreatening looking battle troop. They are standing in a field, carrying foam shields and spears, and swords.
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    Dagorhir fighters wait for the beginning of a battle near the town of Slippery Rock, Pennsylvania on 26 June, 2014. Photograph: Mladen Antonov/AFP/Getty Images
    Martin has spent the past year researching one group of Dagorhir enthusiasts at the Indiana University of Pennsylvania. He wanted to find out if, like Bailey and Harvey’s clopping bronies, they acted differently from other men. “Because I’m a nerd, I was able to get more unique conversations,” Martin says of his subjects.
    Martin found out that the Dagorhir group conformed to masculine norms in several ways. One of the most significant, heartbreakingly, was in how they dealt with what seems to have been a near-constant barrage of insults from non-Dagorhir playing hecklers. The group would cope by ignoring the insults, pretending they were unhurt by them, pushing their feelings down deep inside. They were showing stoicism, refusing to show anxiety: hallmarks of hegemonic masculinity.
    One of the recurring themes of the conference is the sense that men are not doing too well for themselves. As hard as these men might try to escape a “traditional”, boys-don’t-cry, tough-guy version of masculinity – by becoming obsessed with My Little Pony or calling themselves “nerds” and running around a field in fancy dress – they are always influenced by it.
    This is reinforced a couple of hours later when I attend a talk called “Breaking the male code: how close male friendships can change men’s lives”. I am expecting to hear examples of great male friendships and the benefits of this, like the US illusionists and entertainers Penn and Teller, or Batman and Robin. Instead, Robert Garfield, a psychiatrist, therapist and psychiatry lecturer at the University of Pennsylvania, tells us that men in the modern age are lonely. They want to speak to their male friends about their feelings, but they do not. It’s that idea of the stoic male again. “Emotional intimacy skills are not God-given, they are not in the nature of men,” Garfield says. He has just written a book called Breaking the Male Code and he shows us a slide from his research, which states that more than 60% of men want greater emotional closeness in their male friendships. In his friendship labs, Garfield teaches men how to be friendly with one another. Attendees use a “feelings wheel” to identify how they are feeling. They come to his sessions once a week, Garfield says. The hardest part is when they try to apply what they have learned when they are hanging out with their unsuspecting buddies.
    At a talk called “Engaging men and boys for gender equality,” I had expected a lot of activist-type rhetoric about getting men to sign up for emails, or turn up at marches, or wear badges. But much of the discussion I heard was about identifying what was wrong with men, and working to fix it.
    I learned that it’s quite hard being a man. Presumably most men don’t want to conform to a state of being an arsehole, but often we still do. Men lose out in our patriarchal society, too, it seems, doomed to repeat a set of male behaviours they didn’t even know existed. And perhaps it is only when we men better understand ourselves that we can really be happy: whether that’s in dressing up and fighting each other with foam swords, clopping away to My Little Pony characters, or just hanging around with the guys, trying to explain to them what you’ve learned from the feelings wheel.

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    • 0 1
      Men don't talk about their feelings, men are confused about their role in society. Given how feminists tend to blame men (the 'patriarchy') for all of their 'woes' one would think they would blame these undesirable male behaviours on women. Oh hang on no, that'd be reasoned and logically balanced. Women's problems are men's fault and men's problems are men's fault too.
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      Does anyone see the irony of the concept of 'choreplay" where a man is rewarded with sex for being a good boy, and this is a positive thing and women using it can influence mens behaviour in a positive way..
      and
      Womens selection of 'bad boy" partners over beta males, which apparently doesnt teach men anything about how to behave..
      So which is it ladies, signals about sex can influence mens behaviour or they dont, if they do then much of the "problems" of bad men sheet back home to the signals you send out.
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    • 1 2
      Look at the way women respond to the character Larry Bloom from Orange is the New Black. they call him a' Whiny bitch who shouldn't be alive'.
      Then look at how positively women respond to Don Draper.
      Women do NOT want a man who talks openly about his feelings. I know, I've tried and women recoil. they see it as weakness and being like a baby. Women want men who will talk about THEIR feelings, but are otherwise strong and protective.Stoic. The more stoic I am, the more positively females respond.
      So if women want men to be less stoic (which, who are they to decide how men should be anyway?) perhaps they should look at their own expectations of Men, not heap yet more blame and shame onto us.
      The whole Concept of hegemonic masculinity is absurd and gets male psychology 100% wrong. Men want to help and protect Women because we love and value them NOT because we want to dominate and see them as incompetent.
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      What men need is for feminists to try and see things from our point of view and stop trying to change us and demonize our masculinity. Male stoicism is a Virtue, not a vice. It helps us be calm and rational.
      The examples they gave of deflecting outside criticism deserves praise, not shame.
      Masculinity has NEVER(in western culture) been about being macho or tough. For centuries, the IDEAL of masculinity has meant being a Gentleman. A gentle man. A man who is gentle. In the 1800's, the masculine ideal was being a dandy, something we would now consider effeminate.
      Imagine of Men held conferences about 'hegemonic femininity' where we talked about how much we needed to change women. How they talked too much about their feelings and we needed to figure out a way to make them act more like we wanted them to.
      And by no stretch of the imagination do we live in a Patriarchy.
      Even in the 1800's it is debatable whether our culture was a Patriarchy. You know, the Victorian Era named after QUEEN Victoria. A woman of such enormous power and cultural influence an entire era of human history has been named in her honor.
      GenderAllies.org
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    • 2 3
      Alterative theory:
      For a man, in a man's world, he sees himself first and foremost as an individual, competing against all the other individual males out there. There is no grand unified conspiracy, instead male socialisation has evolved to teach men the most successful ways to interact in a tough and sometimes unfair environment.
      Women on the other hand, tend to be more social creatures. Feminism in part can be seen as a unionised negotiating tool to renegotiate the contract between the sexes. A woman might say, I am a feminist and I am making a stand for all women. The concept of the patriarchy implies that men have this same sense of group gender identity, which in practice is not an active organisational conspiracy between individual men (with a vow of secrecy to keep it hidden from the women). If anything, the patriarchy represents the commonalities in male socialisation and the ideals men strive for, but from the perspective of a man this is very much an individual thing.
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      You know, in all seriousness I don't think women would really want the average man to fully express his feelings over certain things.
      In some cases male suicides are men expressing emotions (which you would like expressed), would you prefer those explosions of emotion to involve the targets of that emotion rather than being turned inwards?

      Women have systematically dismantled nearly every male only club or organisation in the search for males "secret society" which underpinned the "patriarchy", in effect dismantling a lot of the sort of groups that provided male support.
      No feminist will ever admit to the failure of dismantling men only clubs or organisations, it was meant to uncover some sort of shadowy man-cabal conspiring to keep women down (while twirling its moustaches and laughing evilly of course)
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      The problem of the break down of the family unit. Fatherless families with no good father role model causes a host of problems and behavioural issues.
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      Clarity and comprehensiveness sacrificed for brevity and entertainment value?
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    • 4 5
      Instead of this patronising twaddle how about this conference deals with some of the urgent issues affecting men below:
      Men are today still having to retire years later than women,
      Men are still dying years younger than women,
      Men overwhelmingly still do the most dangerous jobs in society,
      Men suffer around 95% of workplace deaths
      Men are discriminated against by NHS gender based funding with 8 times as much money spent on specific female health issues as on male ones.
      Men are around 9 times more likely to be rough sleepers than women,
      Men make up around 95% of people imprisoned in the UK
      Men are 2 to 3 times more likely to be imprisoned than comparable female offenders
      Male suicide rates are on average 3-5 times higher than female rates
      Family courts award mothers sole custody in 71% of cases and fathers sole custody in 7% of all cases
      Men can end up paying for a kid they never wanted and never see for 21 years as a result of one night's mistake
      There are very few refuge places available for men who have experienced domestic abuse
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      This has to be a joke.
      After looking at the photo, very well-played, Sir!
      Bravo.
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      I learned that it’s quite hard being a man. Presumably most men don’t want to conform to a state of being an arsehole, but often we still do. Men lose out in our patriarchal society, too, it seems, doomed to repeat a set of male behaviours they didn’t even know existed. And perhaps it is only when we men better understand ourselves that we can really be happy: whether that’s in dressing up and fighting each other with foam swords, clopping away to My Little Pony characters, or just hanging around with the guys, trying to explain to them what you’ve learned from the feelings wheel.
      Aren't you a bit embarrassed to write stuff like this?
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      It is the second day of the International Conference on Masculinities, an annual meeting of the best and the brightest in the field of masculinity research.
      A conference on "masculinities"--sounds thrilling; was it filled with ultra-masculine, alpha-male types?
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      If feminists believe that men have no right to tell women what is feminine, then feminists (women) have no right to tell men how to be masculine.
      This isn't about helping men. This is about "re-educating" them to be something that feminists can approve of and to make men unthreatening.
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      "Being a hegemonic male means being powerful, dominant, stoic, successful, like the actors Arnold Schwarzenegger or Jason Statham. It is about not being weird or different. Men strive to attain this ideal, and as they do so, women are held back."
      Good God. I've never heard such incredibly adolescent nonsense in my entire life. Do the people attending these conferences, men and women alike have the emotional maturity of three year olds?
      Men don't copy stereotypes. Men abandon copying stereotypes around the age of 15. They might enjoy watching movies about them, but they don;t get information about what sort of people they are or what sort of people they are supposed to be from watching movies. That's not men. That's CHILDREN. Most grown men have already discovered long ago that copying stereotypes is pointless. And, this, lurking feminists, is why its impossible to take criticisms of media representations of gender seriously - honestly, truly, men don't care. They really don't. They have real people to relate to. Honestly, they really do...
      I have a horrible suspicion that this conference was attended entirely by extraordinarily neurotic people with appalling confidence issues. You can't turn yourself into any kind of reasonable adult by depending on cultural imagery. EVERY ordinary grown up already knows this.
      I think this is catastrophic. How can we have ended up in this situation? It's utterly weird. Arnold Swharzenegger? Jason Statham? WHAT? What about my short fat pal Dave? Or big skinny Glen? Or Mike who lives upstairs, who is tiny? Do feminists seriously believe that we're all secretly managing internal narratives about how we're all better and worse than each because of our physicality? Ordinary men dispense with that gibberish just after their teens because it becomes blatantly apparent that it's all meaningless as soon as you need to get a job.
      I despair.... (head in hands) How much more narcissistic can these idiots get? "hegemonic male!" Ridiculous!
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      There is a fine line between having this message accepted and rousing the "fuck you " response ... my experience has shown the intellectual arguments get traction when the men are in a controlled environment where the toughest guys in the room allow themselves to be vulnerable
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      Ignoring the baseless and irrelevant ridicule of strangers is a symptom of hegemonic masculinity now? Do you want them to cry and scream at them instead? How absurd!
      Part of being an adult is deciding who's opinion you care about.
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      Men are horrid. They are broken. Only feminists now how to break them down and remake them properly. Heard this before, no more impressed by such talk this time.
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      The Bronies think sex with a woman is a no no - when would they get the chance, what woman in her right mind would? Seriously, seriously weird. Potentially a subject of study in their own right, but as a clue to the motivations of the other 99.9999999999999% of men? Do us a favour.
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      " But much of the discussion I heard was about identifying what was wrong with men, and working to fix it."
      There's nothing wrong with men per se. The problem is that some men are socialized in ways which aren't really compatible with contemporary realities and therefore are more likely to experience frustration on a regular basis. I suspect that men who grow up in genuinely equalitarian societies have an easier time in general - perhaps fewer betrayed expectations, less pressure to live up to an antiquated ideal of masculinity, and more opportunities to rely on those around them when necessary.
      It bothers me when I see boys who are artistic or more sensitive or more introverted being bullied by their families into displaying a dominance and assertiveness which don't feel natural or desirable to them. It's no different from bullying little girls into an obsession with their appearance or dissuading them from getting dirty or being loud.
      I think the most important thing is teaching people how to use their innate traits in a constructive manner. Power, which all of us need to an extent, can be attained and exercised in a variety of ways - sometimes overtly when needed, and sometimes quietly. This has much less to do with gender and far more to do with using one's personality to one's advantage and to correctly gauging the setting and how others will react.
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      “Emotional intimacy skills are not God-given, they are not in the nature of men,” Garfield says.
      Try making a sweeping generalisation like that about women - "Stoicism is not in the nature of women, they are emotionally incontinent" - and the hounds of Hell would be let loose on you.
      The whole thing sounds like a foregone conclusion in search of some evidence.
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    • 0 1
      This article made me cry.
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      "Choreplay - introducing men to the idea that those of them who share the housework and childcare with their partners get more sex than those who do not"
      So in order to achieve equality us women should withhold sex until our partners wash the dishes? Coercing men into helping with housework by offering them a vagina does not, in any way, shape, or form, positively contribute to the struggle in achieving gender equality. All this does is entrench existing binaries and social structures - that men are sex-driven animals and women will do anything if their hubby would JUST WASH THOSE DISHES, goddammit.
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    • 7 8
      so, a feminist conference where "much of the discussion ... was about identifying what was wrong with men".
      and yet they continue to wonder why men continue to eschew feminism?
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    • 0 1
      The comments are even funnier than the article itself.
      I cannot believe that 60% of men are such utter wimps that they long for more emotional closeness in their male friendships. Its hard enough being emotionally honest and close with our women. Bloody exhausting, in fact. When normal blokes get some time off for good behaviour we want to make lame jokes and talk about non-emotive stuff like sport, cars and who'd we'd be willing to shag if it was the only way to save the world from the apocalypse.
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      "Bailey and Harvey had found that there was a community on the image-based bulletin board 4chan of men who like My Little Pony. Within this community, having sex with a real person, in real life, is seen as a negative – and not “clopping” is a form of heresy. What was happening here was an example of “normal” hegemonic masculinity in action, Bailey and Harvey said."
      It's not that having sex with women is frowned upon, it's simply a joke. This is an example of 4chan culture, it's ironic and funny to hate normal people or behavior. The joke is that normal people don't browse 4chan, so if you're normal, or a "normalfag" as they will say, and you post about "normal" things, then you will usually be met with responses like "lol only a faggot would (insert action/behavior)". These people aren't actually being serious, that's just the culture and politics of 4chan.
      One more rational and logical theory as to why lots of bronies enjoy clop can be found here.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyj-PBpOxig
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