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What are people's general opinions on transgender/transsexual people? (self.CasualConversation)

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[–]DarnLemons 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (59子コメント)

Its not an objective thing. I think if you have a penis you are a male. You can associate with being female, thats fine, but you are biologically and anatomically male. That makes you a man in my eyes. If you're intersex, thats fine too. Its not as easy as just picking one but saying you have "parts" from the other. Those "parts" are what defines gender.

Its like, say you really want red hair. You can't just say "Well I have black hair, but im actually red headed".

Again, I really appreciate and respect trans people and it must be a hard thing to go through, but making up or changing definitions to fit an agenda isn't a viable way of going about things.

[–]megthegreatone 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, those parts are not what define gender. They are what define sex and there is, scientifically, a difference between gender and sex. That isn't a matter of opinion.

And your hair example - you can dye your hair, and then you will have red hair. Everyone will see your red hair and you can live your life as a redhead.

I understand that it's not the easiest concept to grasp, but it is something that can come to be understood. :)

[–]iddothat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yea you're actually wrong though

[–]DarnLemons -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No need to double post, I know you're mad.

[–]marienbad2 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (40子コメント)

Sorry mate, but this is totally innacurate. Before people are 12 weeks old, and still a fetus, they are neither male nore female, and there is a structure that ultimately becomes the genitals. Obviously there is then very complex cascade of bio-chemical things that occur and finally the baby is born. And this can lead to genitals of all kinds, there is a scale which you can look at here. So where do you stop being male and start being female?

[–]canadianguy1234 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the fetus would still have either XX chromosomes or XY. Therefore, it's sex is predetermined

[–]DarnLemons -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (38子コメント)

I mentioned it a couple comments up that intersex is a thing, and again in that rare scenario that you are somewhere in between genders and you go throughout your life as say, a man. Then thats all cool, theres no problem there.

And again, if you went up to me as and said "Hey I actually would prefer to be known as a woman" then sure whatever, I'll use "she" instead of "he" around you. You are still a man if you have purely male sexual organs, but I see no problem in using technically incorrect but preferred pronouns.

Use the hair thing as an example of changing from one gender to the other, and say, having Hazel eyes as an example of being intersex. Hazel is kind of between green and brown most of the time, yunno? So if you want to say "I have brown eyes" or "I have green eyes" then no one is going to care even if you technically have "Hazel" eyes 95% of the time. But just wanting to have one hair color does not make it true.

[–]ItsJustJoss 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (37子コメント)

You are still a man if you have purely male sexual organs

While i respect your right to your own opinion, i feel that your way of viewing it does not help transfolk. There is a reason that "Sex" and "Gender" are two different things. I may have male sex organs, but anyone who ever told me I was a man would pretty much be somebody i would have as little to do with as possible.

[–]canadianguy1234 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just don't understand the need to classify things as "male" and "female" characteristics. What would make someone identify as a male or female? Is it just stereotypes?

[–]ItsJustJoss 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, you kinda hit it on the head here. I have always felt I was emotionally and mentally more "female" than male, which are, in fact, stereotypes. Men can be emotional, and think just the same as women, although recent science has proven there are differences between male and female brains. Society built these ideas years and years and YEARS ago. If we didn't have these stereotypes, who knows what the world would be like? So for a lot of us, adapting to those "stereotypes" is what helps us feel normal. It shouldn't be that way, even for cisgender people. Women shouldn't be made to feel like they have to obsess about their weight, or their appearance, and men shouldn't have to feel like they have to hide their emotions. Not really sure if anything I said here helps to answer your question, but I hope it does.

[–]DarnLemons -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (34子コメント)

Maybe you should try and understand it from their point of view then. It doesn't make a good example of a community to act as if transsexualism makes someone a special snowflake. Its a pretty grey area and acting like it isn't is just kind of immature. If you want me to call you a woman thats fine and I will because theres no problem with it, but you are biologically a man if you have male sex organs.

[–]ItsJustJoss 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (33子コメント)

I fail to see how I implied that transsexuals are special snowflakes. Where just people like everyone else. I admit Gender is a very grey area. I appreciate that you would use the proper pronouns etc., but turning around and saying "I will call you a woman, but you are a man" is demeaning, to me at least. To me that is like patting a child on the head and saying "Ohhh, of course you are!"

[–]DarnLemons -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Thats the grey area of it though. Theres this big movement to make "Man" and "Woman" mean something different than what they do just to appeal to Transgendered people. The words apply to what you are physically. Saying "No they don't!" is just blatantly trying to change definitions. Saying "I associate as a woman" is not the same as "I am a woman.".

[–]ItsJustJoss 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (31子コメント)

As I said, I will respect your right to your own opinion, but as I originally said, that mindset does NOT help transgender people. This is the last I'm going to carry this on.

[–]DarnLemons -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (30子コメント)

It doesn't help, but thats how it is. Not everything can be put in place to help a minority. You can't rewrite the history books because someone thinks Hitler is scary.

[–]BurningGarbageDump 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Holy shit.

Man and male do not mean the same things. One is social, one is medical. How hard is that to understand?

[–]JontanDTrans / Needs a hug[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Did you read what I wrote at the top of the post? There is not one thing that defines gender, and it is not up to another person to say what gender someone is. It is always up to that individual, you wouldn't like it if someone kept referring to you as the opposite gender that you are because it's not how you identify.

[–]DarnLemons 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (11子コメント)

You wanted people opinions. Why are you upset when you get them? Your word isn't law. Being a man is a singular definition, its someone who has male sexual organs. As being a female is someone who has female sexual organs. I can cite a dictionary or similar if you like.

Again, did you only make this post to try and argue with people? I don't understand.

[–]Jenalou 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Your word isn't law.

But neither is yours. And this part in particular:

Those "parts" are what defines gender.

is flat out wrong according to current medical understanding. Go ahead and cite the dictionary, by all means. It's usually only a few years behind.

[–]DarnLemons 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

He wanted opinions though. Thats mine. Give me your source that you get your "current medical understanding" instead of just saying they're out there.

[–]BurningGarbageDump 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sex and gender are distinct concepts, and people conflate them.

Sex is chromosomes. Gender is identity. Sex is male and female. Gender is man and woman and lady and gentleman and everything between and outside of.

[–]JontanDTrans / Needs a hug[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx

[–]DarnLemons 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, it says right there. "Gender Identity". Not "Gender". Its specifically there to draw a difference between the two.

Read your own articles. That literally backs up everything I was saying lol.

[–]Jenalou 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

With your phrasing you're stating your opinion as a fact. That's not the way opinions work. An OPINION is, "I think vaginas are more attractive than penises." Fine, that's your opinion. But stating what makes someone male vs female is not an opinion.

From the UK's NHS website: "more recent research suggests the condition (gender dysphoria) may actually be the result of the abnormal development of a baby while it is in the womb, possibly as a result of genetic or hormonal factors, which causes the brain to develop a gender identity that is different to the baby's sexual organs."

So, as has been stated, one's sex organs are not necessarily identical to one's gender. Gender identity is from the brain, not the genitals, and how each develops may be related to genetics and hormones. No matter how many times you state that vagina = woman and penis = man, you will still be wrong. This isn't about changing an opinion, it's about being open to new information. It may cause some cognitive dissonance while you assimilate it, that's fine, but clinging stubbornly to your belief and trying to justify it as an opinion makes you look foolish. It's okay to admit there's more to it than you realized. That's pretty common for a cis person whose gender identity has always matched their sex organs.

[–]iddothat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not an opinion though you're just incorrect

[–]DarnLemons 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Its subjective, don't tell me im "Incorrect" just because you're ass blasted people think differently.

[–]iddothat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

dude its literally the definition of the word

[–]DarnLemons 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What one? I said a lot of words. Please do specify instead of just spewing text.

[–]JontanDTrans / Needs a hug[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it's an argument I get then that's what I get. But the idea of this post if to get people talking about the topic and not sticking to singular ideas of gender and sex.

[–]Jenalou 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're intersex, thats fine too.

So, in your opinion, if someone is intersex what are they supposed to do about their gender? Or do you consider "intersex" a gender too?

[–]DarnLemons -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've detailed that in another comment.