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submitted by twomongsmakearight
I noticed that I am now "soft-shadowbanned" from Games and my comments no longer show up in any of the threads I post in.
I assume it was because of these comments I made in KiA a couple of days ago: link 1 / link 2 which were pretty fair questions to ask IMO, but I'll leave it to others to decide if they were inflammatory and hostile or not.
The only GG-related comments I made in Games itself was from this thread which I know for a fact I was not shadowbanned for, because subsequent comments I made there were still visible and upvoted days later.
So right now, we're facing a situation where the Games mods, in an effort to suppress the leaks and silence any dissent, are actively shadowbanning members from KiA and stopping them from posting new topics or engaging in any discussions with their community.
I am certain that I am not the only one, so be sure to check yourself if you are a member there.
I personally think that considering the nature of my comments and the fact they were posted in THIS subreddit, completely outside Games' own community, it only adds fuel to the fire that the moderators over there are actively clamping down on any and all pro-GG members who are part of both KiA and Games' itself. It's even more sad considering the vast majority of my submission and comment karma is from that subreddit. Is this really the road we're going down? Where members of one subreddit are automatically going to be banned from another, just because of their views? Dark times.
Edit: A few people are saying things like "Who cares about /Games anyway?" which is fine, but what if it happens to you in a sub-reddit you DO care about and mods auto-silence your voice, simply because you're a member of KiA? It's a bit like the Twitter blockbot, in that you're automatically assumed guilty and not worth engaging with before you even get a chance to speak. Mods are absolutely 100% within their right to moderate their own subreddits as they see fit, but to prevent users from engaging just because they didn't like what they said in someone else's subreddit? That scares me for the future of free speech on Reddit.
Edit2: A user messaged me saying that new top level comments under 100 chars in Games threads are auto-deleted. This is news to me, but regardless the replies I made were over 100 characters. This one for example is 160 chars in length.
As it happens, I can actually see my replies now, about 2 hours after they were posted. Either I have been unbanned or it's the longest/crappiest spam filter ever, which is unlikely as I have over 7000 submission karma and nearly 11,000 comment karma there - I never once had this issue before over the past 3 years. To illustrate, my post here was actually the first or second reply in that entire thread. If you sort the comments by oldest first, mine will be at the top. It has only just appeared public. Same with every other reply I made.
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[–]EmptyEmptyInsides 472 points473 points474 points  (24 children)
Shadowbanning was meant to deter spambots. Employing it for normal users is cowardly and needlessly malicious. So sad that it has become such a standard process on reddit.
[–]war3zwolf 178 points179 points180 points  (2 children)
The mods over there are huge pussies, so I am not surprised.
The best part is, the mods over there are too stupid to understand why people came to Reddit in the first place. Everyone involved in the logs ought to be banned from the site. To let them still continue to mod anything but their own user preferences is laughable.
[–]Someonelessable 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
Ive been part of a few communities that basically self destructed because of really dismal moderation / admin issues. It always goes down the same way, clique group gets power and clique group seems to think that power is a tool for the clique to keep itself in power as though that means much to anyone outside of that community.
Reddits "top" subreddits will die not because of a sudden drop in popularity as most users won't just turn away from the things they enjoy but because the moderators will try to shape the topic and contents of conversations so much that no reasonable person would waste time even trying to participate.
[–]Paedin [score hidden]  (0 children)
I came to Reddit from Digg because this kind of stuff used to happen over there all the time. Got tired of it and decided to move on. I wonder where my third internet home will be...
[–]xthorgoldx 65 points66 points67 points  (5 children)
Although, if only for point of clarification, what's being done here is not "shadowbanning," in the same sense as what Reddit proper uses, which is an admin-only, sitewide tool. This is something I personally call "autobanning," since it basically relies on AutoModerator to automatically remove any post you make to a specific subreddit. Since you can see your own comments even after removal whereas others can not, it carries the appearance of a subreddit-specific shadowban.
[–]EmptyEmptyInsides 28 points29 points30 points  (4 children)
Yeah, I understand that. I'm referring to shadowbanning as a general type of silently hiding someone's posts in a way that's not apparent to them, not the specific reddit admin mechanism. I'd call it shadowbanning when it happens on other sites too, like AFAIK bozoing on Engadget.
[–]RoboTitan -2 points-1 points0 points  (3 children)
It helps to be specific when that's a term for an actual specific type of ban.
[–]EmptyEmptyInsides 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
Do you have a suggestion for a more general term that can be used for this sort of thing?
[–]RoboTitan -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
Auto-delete ban?
Really though, just avoid using Shadowban, as that's a widely known term.
[–]GodOfAtheism 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Botbanning, because that's what it is, banning by bot.
[–]TheSupr3m3Justic3 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
Voat.co
Changing subs won't help, you need to change sites.
[–]bat_mayn 15 points16 points17 points  (2 children)
Like you said - it was originally meant to combat spam bots. If you 'shadow ban' a spam bot, it wouldn't pick up on the fact that it couldn't post anymore. It would just continue to post, oblivious to the fact that it's posts weren't visible anywhere.
Using it for users is really kind of dark, considering how they use it so nonchalant, like it's not a big deal.
[–]SuperFLEB 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
The thing that bugs me is that it seems to be increasingly used for transgressions of unwritten rules-- things like not respecting "NP" links and the like. If they want to be strict but fair, that's at least somewhat reasonable, but in that case, add the rule to the "rules" page so everyone knows the score. Currently, it seems that "the harshest punishment in all the land" is being doled out for some stretched interpretations of rules, or for "you should have known better" actions that aren't on the rules page at all.
[–]Senray [score hidden]  (0 children)
The secret police aren't going to enforce the written law.
[–]mookler 9 points10 points11 points  (7 children)
Mods can't shadowban.
[–]OnSnowWhiteWings 43 points44 points45 points  (5 children)
Correct. But since there isn't a special name for auto-moderator "silent bans", people use the incorrect term "Shadow ban".
I suppose we need to agree on an easily recognizable term for the ban that involves auto-moderator hiding all of your submissions and posts.
[–]Mattk50 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
"subreddit shadowban"
why not?
[–]RoboTitan 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
Automod ban.
[–]Sirspen 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
Makes it sound like it was accidentally done by automod.
[–]RoboTitan 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Fair point.
Auto-delete ban?
[–]RavenscroftRaven 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
"WMCS": White Mod Cock Slapped?
Gets the point across, if not the effect. Whereas Shadowban gets the effect across, but not necessarily the point. Six of one, half-dozen of the other.
[–]KosherDensity -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
A noble knight is permitted any tactic in service of M'Ladies and M'trannies.
There are no bad tactics, just bad targets - Lord Commander Bob Chipman, Ordus Betacucks Maximus
[–]GGRain 487 points488 points489 points  (157 children)
Oh my, i think some mods are really salty.
Perfect time to promote r/neogaming & r/gamesnews.
This fits perfectly with some lines from the new leaks:
Jan 21 11:58:09 <BipolarBear0> I ban people based on their comments in other subs
Jan 21 11:58:13 <BipolarBear0> Their usernames have nothing to do with it
which i posted earlier.
[–]LG03 129 points130 points131 points  (15 children)
Honestly I think these new gaming subreddits need to consolidate if they ever want to get traction because I just can't find myself giving a fuck when there's 4+ of them.
[–]duhlishus 34 points35 points36 points  (11 children)
Well neogaming sounds too much like neogaf so let's go with gamesnews. Or voat.co.
[–]Nathan_Explosion7 20 points21 points22 points  (9 children)
Or...or we can all subscribe to /r/neogaming. Then make it a great subreddit that has hundred of thousand of users. A few years from now, they'll be saying "neogaf? Sounds like a ripoff of /r/neogaming".
[–]misterwings 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
I like it. We should do that.
[–]Manisil [score hidden]  (0 children)
No, in a few months people will be saying, wow, the mods here are dicks.
[–]VladimirDren 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
Still think their rules are too strict. I am anti-censorship of any form. I got downvoted for this before but I'm saying it again.
"Don't post articles from blacklisted sources. (See below for details.)"
Should be "If you post articles from blacklisted sources they must be archived".
I want a subreddit where people can talk about whatever they want when it comes to gaming. Even if it's crap sources.
Edit: It's a freaking subtle slipperly slope from "Blacklisted because ethics" to "Blacklisted cause I don't like them."
[–]Nathan_Explosion7 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
The purpose of /r/neogaming is to supply you the information for your games while avoiding the clickbait from hipsters who hate you. If you want to discuss the hipsters, there's /r/kotakuinaction. If you want to discuss the games, there's /r/neogaming.
[–]VladimirDren 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
I understand the sentiment, appreciate it even. That's what archives are for, they can't get money off an archived link.
But censorship is still censorship.
For the sub to grow for the general populous, extremism needs to stop from BOTH sides. No silencing of the basement-dwelling racist misogynerd, no censoring of the neon haired man-hating wailbaby (but cut off those sites revenue flow with archived links).
Fox news is a load of crap. I still support peoples rights to talk about them and link to them when they want. It's even (more than)occasionally fun to laugh at them.
Edit: GamerGate used to be anti-censorship.
[–]Nathan_Explosion7 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
Like I said, /r/neogaming is not a meta sub. It's only about the games. We don't even talk much about gamergate. Laughing at polygon is not neogaming's purpose.
[–]VladimirDren -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
The current ruleset however means Polypgon could write a "review" of a game, but that review would not be allowed to discuss even though it is directly relevant to said game.
[–]Nathan_Explosion7 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Another review from a different website would be allowed. You want to criticize polygon's review. The game itself is irrelevant. That falls under Meta.
[–]barmbi 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Whats sad is we shouldn't have to. Those people might have good points sometimes. In fact, I want to give them money if they have a good perspective. If it's all about pointing to how bad games are for clicks and any disagreement is banned then why should they get clicks? Archive is kind of the only reasonable way to bring it up now. It's a horrible state things have gotten to, and GG was kind of a breaking point.
You are right though, we need to be honest about it.
[–]SlobberGoat 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Or voat.co.
Is this place a giant hug-box?
I browsed 3 pages in and didn't see a single down-vote.
[–]WaffleSports 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
I just want a good sub where I can see 4 top posts being a picture of a late-gen ps2 game with the title "Going back to my childhood"
[–]IndieCredentials 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Sounds disturbingly close to r/truegaming.
[–]Messipus 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
DAE remember the most popular games on.... er, I mean, this gem?
[–]henk636 101 points102 points103 points  (32 children)
/r/neogaming and /r/gamesnews for the lazy.
[–]ConcordApes 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
And lazy I am.
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    [–]subtleshill 14 points15 points16 points  (2 children)
    <BipolarBear0> I ban people based on their comments in other subs
    How is that ok?
    [–]brain_fuckler 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
    It's the same line of thinking that allows people to believe it's okay to get people fired from jobs because the employee said something they disagree with online.
    [–]Senray 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    BipolarBear0 probably is the one who demodded XavierMendel
    [–]Defeat 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Just unsubbed from games fuck that noise. /r/gamesnews it is
    [–]comraderichard 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Holy shit that kind of defeats the point of Subreddits. What I do in different subreddits is my goddamn business, if I break that subreddit's rules, that's on me. But your authority ends at your subreddit, if you try to enforce your bullshit outside of your jurisdiction you should get demoted and suspended immediately.
    [–]manami333Founder of /r/TwoXGaming 26 points27 points28 points  (84 children)
    Shill time!!
    Don't forget /r/TwoXGaming for the ladies and yes, lads too who want to post and talk about games in a neutral space
    [–]Babill 102 points103 points104 points  (77 children)
    Sounds as neutral as feminism is for equal rights.
    [–]manami333Founder of /r/TwoXGaming 74 points75 points76 points  (70 children)
    We don't allow sjw bs or gg stuff either. Neutral as fuck. Games and game stuff only
    [–]Babill 38 points39 points40 points  (55 children)
    Fair enough, but why the need for a women-oriented game sub? Maybe I don't understand because I'm a shitlord but if you can try and explain.
    [–]manami333Founder of /r/TwoXGaming 53 points54 points55 points  (12 children)
    I really didn't like the environment of r/girlgamers so I made my own alternative. Of course games aren't gender oriented whatsoever but I made an alt just for the sake of making one.
    If you want to post, go for it. If its not your cup of tea, then I respect your POV.
    [–]Eldritchbacon 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    I just popped over to that r/girlgamers and it's pretty cringe: Three different Anita links on the first page alone with much echo-chambering about GG 'never' being about gaming press.
    [–]blessedbyyeezus 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Really, whats the big deal with gaming press? It's always been shit catering to whichever AAA game paid them. I've spent years in gaming communities as a non-gamer (wow addict) and seen the hype cycle over and over. i really can't get excited for games any more the media is so fake.
    [–]Sargo8 10 points11 points12 points  (4 children)
    I think i got banned from r/girlgamers D:
    [–]manami333Founder of /r/TwoXGaming 50 points51 points52 points  (3 children)
    A lot of people do. Even TB's wife got her post deleted for no reason.
    [–]Superschlafanzug 38 points39 points40 points  (1 child)
    Pretty much everyone in girlgamers is a dude, they seem to try to keep it that way since women are usually disagreeing with them.
    [–]Mashiki 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    That's what happens when you have a lot of lonely people who care more about what their imagined opinions of what other people will say vs what they should actually do and have people accept them as they are.
    [–]SweetTumTumBoy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I got banned for suggesting that the comments on a news site weren't that bad, and that the article linked was really inaccurate.
    [–]barrinmw 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    I am subscribed but I avoid posting because I want to avoid it being a sub for women completely filled with men like the other female gaming subreddit.
    [–]Batty-Koda 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    girl gamers is basically tumblr+srs on a gaming sub. Didn't know there was an alternative, but if it comes up I'll be sure to point them to yours rather than to that circlejerk sjw crap.
    [–]PCGamingOppression -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    The ironic part is they did their own survey to get a handle on their demographics and it was like 80% dudes. A girl went on their steam group or Teamspeak or something, and it was entirely full of dudes - not a single girl in the chat.
    It's fucking hilarious to see white knights bend over backwards to appease the ladies of reddit and get no where.
    [–]blessedbyyeezus 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Almost all of reddit's female communities have a problem with white knight infestations.
    [–]runnerofshadows 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I can see why. especially after what they did with Genna's post.
    [–]Crossington 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
    What the founder said, but the way I see it, it's that twoXG exists to show that a female-oriented gaming sub can exist without being a nest of, well, "toxic" SJW ideologues.
    [–]NightOfTheLivingHam 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
    that and a sub actually for women, not men claiming to be women so they can tell women how to be proper feminists.
    [–]manami333Founder of /r/TwoXGaming 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    My point exactly.
    Anyone else wish they could talk about video games and post dank vidya memes without someone kissing sarkeesians feet?
    [–]Hohahihehu 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
    /r/TwoXGaming actually started in part because of /r/girlgamers having censored a video by TotalBiscuit about HuniePop because of GamerGate.
    [–]olivias_bulge 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    why the need for any sub? they wanted to make it.
    [–]nautzz -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    yeah, wish people wouldn't be so hasty to make assumptions.
    subreddit seems like an awesome place, reminds me of trollx.
    [–]Methodius_ 4 points5 points6 points  (17 children)
    This. Continuing the theme of "women need safe spaces!" isn't helping anyone. Want to make a neutral space? Fine. But going "This space is meant for men!" or "this space is meant for women!" but "allowing" other people there? Not helping anyone.
    [–]qizizi 6 points7 points8 points  (3 children)
    It contradicts feminist ideals too. "Women are strong! But we need a safe place for discourse, away from men."
    [–]RavenscroftRaven 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    It's a unique kind of strength. Like that guy from that superhero movie, who is invisible but only when people aren't looking at him.
    [–]OnePingToRuleThemAll 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Mysterymen. Fantastic movie.
    [–]blessedbyyeezus 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Women can think for themselves, except non-feminists. I have to think for them.
    [–]nekkid_and_famous 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
    It's a girl-friendly place to talk about what makes us go squee over games. Sure, there's other gaming subreddits, but it's got the same atmosphere as /r/TrollXChromosomes and it's very inclusive with good positive dialogue. I like it there.
    [–]Methodius_ 11 points12 points13 points  (4 children)
    I guess, but looking across the front page and top posts of TrollX, I found such wonderful things like...
    Let's crowdfund this show where men have to read the terrible messages they've sent to women to their mothers!
    Because, y'know, men are always worse than women. Women do not do those things. Down with men!
    Or
    This comedian said if you support equal rights between men and women, you MUST be a feminist. He's totally right!
    Because feminism in modern society hasn't been tainted by the radical left and doesn't generally focus solely on women's issues and tend to pretend that men don't have any.
    To be fair, they've also got a lot of actually funny shit on there. And some actually good stuff, like...
    Real men like whatever they fuck they want. Real women do not compare men to dogs and other women to bones.
    [–][deleted]  (1 child)
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      [–]blessedbyyeezus 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Just realized, when I hear feminism I don't even think of feminism any more, I think of black worship and LGBT obsession.
      [–]cordlc -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
      Well, most subs will end up politically leaning one way or the other. I doubt that its pro-feminism slant will end up on the crazy end, so it's probably not a big deal to most people there.
      So reading the responses of that feminist stuff can be cringey, but I don't think politics are the point of the sub as it is.
      [–]Crossington -2 points-1 points0 points  (6 children)
      Read my reply above, but basically, why not give a female-friendly sub a good name, for once?
      [–]heili 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
      Because there's literally nothing female unfriendly about this sub, or gaming in general.
      [–]Crossington -2 points-1 points0 points  (4 children)
      Sorry, my bad wording. I meant female-oriented. It's perfectly acceptable to have a sub where the female perspective is more emphasized. What's bad is an echo chamber that refuses to deviate from some ideology.
      [–]heili 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
      But what is a 'female perspective' on gaming, and how is it different from a *gamer's perpsective on gaming?
      Why do you assume that my sex organs have anything whatever to do with my perspective on video games?
      [–]cordlc 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
      Well, the sub being named as it is, would be to direct its content in a certain way. Think of it like, men are welcome visitors, but it's a womens' home.
      Women generally have different interests / experiences than men. Why not have a sub that can serve that? If anything, the people questioning the purpose make me confused. Do you think men and women are exactly the same?
      [–]heili 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
      Well, the sub being named as it is, would be to direct its content in a certain way. Think of it like, men are welcome visitors, but it's a womens' home.
      And that is exactly why you'll not find this chick joining it.
      [–]cordlc 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
      It's not going to be for everyone, but I really don't think its existence is a problem. Hell, the very purpose of subreddits is to isolate the sort of content you're interested in. The more choices, the better, is how I see it.
      [–]heili 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
      I find it divisive to create groups-within-groups.
      [–]cordlc -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
      Well, it's only a subreddit. One doesn't need to choose between the two, they can participate in multiple subreddits, it's just that certain content would get more visibility in those that are narrower in scope.
      But yeah, guess we just disagree on that point.
      [–]Legosheep 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Same reason there's a need for a gay-oriented game sub. Y'know. Posting pics of butts 'n' stuff.
      [–]aDAMNPATRIOT -5 points-4 points-3 points  (6 children)
      Fair enough, but why the need for a women-oriented game sub? Maybe I don't understand because I'm a shitlord but if you can try and explain.
      As a man and anti-SJW as they come, it's easy to fucking understand. Gaming subreddits are by default, male, because most of their population is male. Therefore, a female oriented subreddit is a good idea for girls who want to talk about issues that are specific to girls in games. Does that help?
      [–]heili 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
      Therefore, a female oriented subreddit is a good idea for girls who want to talk about issues that are specific to girls in games. Does that help?
      What, like whether my breasts make it harder to hold my controller, or why PS4 doesn't make a PINK edition?
      What the hell issues about gaming are specific to the fact that I've got a uterus?
      [–]aDAMNPATRIOT -2 points-1 points0 points  (4 children)
      ...are you saying realistically that your experience, especially online, as a girl gamer, is exactly the same as a guy gamer? I think most would disagree with you, and this is a place for them to talk about stuff they want to talk about. If you can't think of any issues you'd like to talk about specific to women in gaming.... don't visit I guess?
      [–]heili 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
      I am not a girl gamer. I am not a gamerchick.
      I am a gamer.
      My community is not girl gamers or gamerchicks.
      My community is gamers.
      Being female means fuck-all about that. Nothing. My vagina doesn't hold the controller. My tits don't push the buttons. I'm not 'other', and I don't need a special place to go be with my kind apart from gamers as a whole.
      [–]aDAMNPATRIOT -5 points-4 points-3 points  (2 children)
      That's very cute, but I don't care about you. You can't deny the fact that many women think their experience in gaming is unique to their gender, and want to talk about those issues.
      [–]a44luce -4 points-3 points-2 points  (3 children)
      Same reason for the existence of /r/GirlGamers : it's a safe(r) space. Lots of female receive a LOT of crap in online games simply because of their gender. So, they've made a space that's specifically designated to be a forum where you can discuss issues in gaming from the perspective of a female.
      [–]AvalonBright 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Same reason for the existence of /r/GirlGamers: it's a safe(r) space.
      There is nothing safe about /r/GirlGamers unless you toe the party line and never ever speak out of turn. Plus, y'know, the whole mostly male thing.
      [–]Babill 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      I must be missing something but games don't force you to disclose your gender. So how do women have a different experience than men?
      [–]a44luce 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Maybe you'd like to play a team co-op game, where voice coordination makes everything easier. MMOs, MOBAs, hell even shooters.
      [–]Methodius_ 7 points8 points9 points  (8 children)
      Yet you link to TwoX in your sidebar? A sub known for being a hive of SJWs?
      [–]manami333Founder of /r/TwoXGaming 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      K
      Twoxgaming is play on having 'two x chromosomes'. Also, I'm not an sjw.
      You don't have to sub to the sub if it bugs you that much
      [–]ImpudentRonin 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      I posted a response in there, and being new to reddit, had no idea what a wretched hive of villainy it was.
      I was told I was "shameful" for asking why men's perspectives, while valid and needed, made a user sad to see.
      Da fuq? Noooooope!
      [–]nautzz -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
      and yet twox has defended gamergate?
      i mean really now, it's not nearly the hive of scum and villainy you make it out to be. i personally don't like it very much, but it's one hell of a far cry from srs. and believe it or not, once upon a time srs was actually reasonable, it just got ridiculous over time.
      [–]Methodius_ 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
      They did NOT defend us. They were against our opponents. Not the same thing.
      [–]RangerSix 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      Indeed.
      Maxim #29: "The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more, no less."
      [–]shangrila500 -5 points-4 points-3 points  (2 children)
      He didn't link 2X. He linked his own sub. Go back and look.
      [–]Methodius_ 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
      The sub itself has a link to TwoX in their sidebar.
      [–]shangrila500 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
      That's fine, he didn't link it here. Maybe you should add that to your previous comment.
      [–]Tallim 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
      I'll take a bit of that. Haven't actually discussed gaming itself for ages and most forums I used to go to are SJW pits now :/
      [–]manami333Founder of /r/TwoXGaming 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
      Yeah I see a lot of that. Hence why the sub. Anything female oriented on reddit over time evolves into sjw havens. I don't want that so I don't allow anything politically charged to be posted.
      [–]HighVoltLowWatt 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      That sounds good to me. I look at like having men's and women's sports its not negative segregation. I actually had no problem with a politcally charged sjw sub so long as its obvious what its for.
      [–]blessedbyyeezus 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Keep fighting the good fight. Hate is bad no matter who is doing it.
      [–]sknot1454 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Good on you.
      There are plenty of places to talk about feminism, MRA, etc
      Seems like it's infecting every sub I go to these days.
      It crept into my college football sub a few weeks ago.
      stahp
      [–]neohephaestus 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
      It's a response to /r/girlgamers being filled with white knights.
      [–]ZeusKabob 22 points23 points24 points  (1 child)
      I think his point is that by naming it "TwoXGaming" it's automatically not a "neutral space". It's a subreddit designed for girls to talk about gaming, not a subreddit designed for neutral discussion of gaming. Maybe it's less terrible than girlgamers, but that's really not hard to do.
      [–]RavenscroftRaven 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Admittedly, "AtLeastOneXGaming" is not quite as catchy, even if it is far more inclusive.
      [–]nekkid_and_famous 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      It's a really good environment, actually. I've been subbed since it became a thing and I love it over there. Just pure gaming talk.
      [–]onetrickwolf 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
      Honestly it's mostly dudes asking awkward questions that are answered by other dudes. A lot of the posts are along the lines of "soo...um what do you girls think of sexy girls in games?...hope this is okay to ask I'm not a girl by the way ;)"
      [–]blessedbyyeezus 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      What a sign of the times, where we're afraid to investigate and understand situations better, out of fear of being labelled a bigot.
      [–]Neemi 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      I think I'll stick to reading only. To me it seems like it was made with women in mind, and while I like talking to women, I don't want to contribute to it becoming more male-dominated. Or does that not worry you?
      [–]mandatory_french_guy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      That sounds like a nice place to be :)
      [–]kommissar_chaR 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
      /r/TwoXGaming might as well be /r/GirlGamers
      [–]manami333Founder of /r/TwoXGaming 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      Okay?
      [–]kommissar_chaR 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      after I read further comments and checked out the sub, I apologize. I applaud the move away from the 'girlgamer' style content and I retract previous comment not because I don't want girls to play games, I just want everyone to have games to play and not worry about gender politics and other non-game issues. I subbed :)
      [–]StrawRedditorMod - @strawtweeter -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
      As long as it's nothing like /r/twoxchromsomes
      [–]zblues_the_secondYou triggered my victim card. 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
      How is that allowed? If you don't break any rules of the subreddit, you shouldn't be banned.
      [–]HammableOfCarthage 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      Because SRS-type moderators hate people who disagree with their social justice maneuvers.
      [–]runnerofshadows 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      People rarely believed people when they talked about BipolarBear0 - because it was mostly rconspiracy noticing his fuckery before. Now there seems to be proof.
      [–]AvalonBright 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Jan 21 11:58:09 <BipolarBear0>
      ...The name says it all, really. Jesus christ he's insidious.
      [–]Deefry -2 points-1 points0 points  (9 children)
      /r/Gaming4Gamers could use some love too.
      [–]ThePixelPirate 36 points37 points38 points  (2 children)
      Ha. That place is full of dickhead mods. I used to regularly submit my videos to /r/indiegaming as is allowed under their rules, (or was at that time). One of the mods from /r/gaming4gamers used the css so that the reply button is missing. I asked what the go was and he said that because I was a spammer that he had removed me from the subreddit. I asked him what the fuck he was taking about and that I had never spammed anything in their sub. He posted a link that showed how many submissions I had submitted and where. Based on my video submissions in /r/indiegaming he 'banned' me.
      To this day, I cannot post there. Wankers.
      [–]runnerofshadows 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      Am I the only one who uses RES and disables all the custom css fuckery on reddit?
      [–]ThePixelPirate 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Somehow they did it even with the css turned off.
      [–]hohnsenhoff 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
      [–]ifandbut comment score below threshold-13 points-12 points-11 points  (4 children)
      How hard is it to put /r in front of the name of the sub?
      [–]BAMFSoB 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
      How hard is it to not be a dick?
      [–]Byrnhildr_Sedai 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      About 11.
      [–]ifandbut comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
      At least as hard as it is to put /r in front of a sub link.
      [–]Levy_Wilson 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      IIRC, linking to other subreddits used to autodelete comments here, so people just instinctively omit the first slash.
      [–]DoctorSteve -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
      Time to sign up for both!
      [–]ConcordApes -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
      All I want is a forum that kicks out suggestions for steam sales that I can reasonably trust.
      [–]femstora 44 points45 points46 points  (0 children)
      I'm so sick of this Orwellian crap. I've defended /r/games in the past but this shit is unacceptable.
      [–]idonotwanttoregister 26 points27 points28 points  (3 children)
      If true this is a really idiotic move. Like, middle school idiotic. What's this? Amateur hour or what?
      [–]Binturung 25 points26 points27 points  (2 children)
      Going by the leaks, that would be a very generous assessment.
      [–]idonotwanttoregister 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
      And they keep making the same mistake.
      [–]Colawrence 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?
      [–]EmoryM 109 points110 points111 points  (11 children)
      Welp, that's a little gross. I remember when /r/games was the hot new thing to replace /r/gaming, all this corruption bums me out.
      The only corruption in /r/games should be Vinesauce-style.
      [–]Pollinosis 69 points70 points71 points  (6 children)
      I used to look up to /r/games. I sent many a person dissatisfied with /r/gaming to it. And now I find out I've been banned from it for associating with the wrong people. I don't even consider myself a GamerGater!
      [–]Babill 42 points43 points44 points  (3 children)
      If you're not with them, you're against them. So then I guess you're with us :D
      [–]ZeusKabob 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
      Welcome to the space where you're allowed to have an opinion, Pollinosis.
      [–]xxfay6 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
      The problem is that anti-GGers are the ones that push everything into the "us vs them", and by doing so it exhorts people into taking a side, and from what I've experienced it's antiGG throwing them at this side.
      [–]teler9000 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
      The first time I went to /r/Games I was immediately disappointed to see the number one post was some terrible Anita video.
      Haven't gone there since then.
      [–]Gazareth 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      the number one post was some terrible Anita video.
      So, that narrows it down to... any Anita video. :)
      [–]Sirspen 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Speaking of which, I wish /r/gamecorruptions had a little more love.
      [–]Todda468 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
      It's a common reddit problem, good enthusiasts build a community and arseholes use it as a power trip and ruin it.
      [–]Someonelessable -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
      Worse than that its not just assholes having a ego stroking power stroke, there is not a small amount of money at play. YouTube hits, clickbait article hits, and the massive knock on effect it has on game sales.
      If you made a comment about how a developer has a direct connection to the reviewer of a game and that comment was censored in some way it can have a big knock on effect. Hell if an entire comment section is full of nothing but positive comments then suddenly it becomes a game that Reddit users "like".
      [–]ihazcheese 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      I got downvoted to oblivion for saying it was corrupt just a few days ago. Now I'm laughing my way to the--... Well, nowhere, but I feel a bit better.
      [–]Be_Cool_Bro 17 points18 points19 points  (2 children)
      That seems awfully childish and shortsighted.
      [–]thelordofcheese 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
      You just described two of the most prominent mods there.
      [–]Marsupian -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
      Im surprised he knows their middle names. Must be that personal information in the modleaks.
      [–]Zerael25k get! Party! 167 points168 points169 points  (25 children)
      Please don't use the word "Shadowban" if we're talking about a Mod sanction through AutoMod filtering. "Soft Shadowban" is probably more correct, but the difference is important as one is done by Mods and the other only by Reddit Admins (actual employees of the Reddit Company).
      Vocabulary put aside, I agree with you that this is a real shitty practice to demonstrate.
      [–]SocialJusticeSlacker 66 points67 points68 points  (5 children)
      Honestly, at this point I have a very negative view of Reddit admins themselves. It's confirmed that they have ex-admins in SRS.
      Also, klining Xavier? Can just a regular mod do it or does it take an admin?
      [–]ChasingTales 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
      Holy fuck I haven't seen someone say kline in awhile. If snoonet is really a network wouldn't it be a gline or services ban of some sort though?
      [–]b1tbuck37 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
      Well, technically, a k:line is a ban on a local IRC server, where g:line's are generally Global Bans on the entire network. I'm not familiar with snoonet, but I'm sure they can employ a services ban and that may encompass any number of tactics including GZ:lining, shunning, among other things.
      I bet you already know all of this, but I'm just describing it for those might not.
      So to answer your question, yes.
      [–]ChasingTales 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
      It's been a decade or some shit. I'm fucking old.
      [–]b1tbuck37 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      It's alright, bud. I still IRC every day. Something about it keeps me coming back.
      [–]GodOfAtheism 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Snoonet isn't run by current reddit.com staff, so using anything that happens there as justification for reddit admin disdain is silly.
      [–]twomongsmakearight[S] 25 points26 points27 points  (2 children)
      Yeah, I wasn't sure which term to actually use, as I've never actually seen this being implemented any where else until now (though I remember that guy who made the Gaming / TB thread months ago mentioned he has the same thing happen to him)
      I prefer the term "cowardban" as that's what this really is. Mods hoping that someone will think they're just being ignored and leave the community willingly, rather than risk ire as a result of hard banning them entirely. Very disappointing.
      [–]OPPRESSIVE_SHITLORD -28 points-27 points-26 points  (1 child)
      Just create a throwaway or five and pay the debt you owe by shitposting all over their sub.
      [–]cky_stew 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
      That won't help anything man
      [–]thelordofcheese 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
      And the subs which practice it, demonstrably, should have ALL of the mods completely permabanned and the sub put in redditrequest.
      [–]nameless22 20 points21 points22 points  (4 children)
      Most people don't know the difference, or that there even was one. I think focusing on the pedantic defeats the point. Doesn't matter how he was shadowbanned, all that matters is that he was.
      [–]tyren22 25 points26 points27 points  (0 children)
      This. Saying you were "shadowbanned from <specific sub>" does enough to make it obvious that you weren't shadowbanned sitewide.
      [–]pseudolobster 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
      No, it makes a big difference. Moderators are regular redditors. They're not employed by the site. Any joe blow can apply to be a moderator. And with that power, they can ban people from their specific subreddit. They have no power outside their subreddit.
      Admins are employees of the site. They work in an office in San Francisco. They are salaried employees, and their actions represent reddit inc. Only admins can shadowban, and when they do, it's an action on behalf of the site itself. You're effectively being kicked out of the entire bar, rather than just asked to leave someone's table.
      Huge difference, which deserves to be pointed out as often as possible. There's a big difference between some joe blow in his basement on a power trip, and corruption of the site's management itself.
      [–]nebulouscloud 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
      The head mod of /r/games is an admin.
      [–]HammableOfCarthage 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      And given what San Francisco is full of... probably an aGGro and SJW to boot.
      [–]Mingeblaster 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      Thanks for pointing that out. Most people around here seem to think to be "shadowbanned" is simply be "banned without clear reason", when it is infact a specific method of banning only performed by admins that is intended to be used to combat spam.
      [–]NovaDeez 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      To be fair, what happened to OP is functionally equivalent, just limited to a single subreddit as opposed to site wide. He can see his posts, others cannot.
      [–]nanonan 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Well it is implicitly endorsed by at least one reddit Admin, the one on the mod team.
      [–]TorchicBlaziken -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
      "Shadowban" really should apply to either of them. It's just that people on reddit have used it to refer to site bans a lot longer than it's been used for sub bans, so the word ends up having misleading implications.
      [–]l0c0dantes -5 points-4 points-3 points  (5 children)
      Why? Functionally the are the same thing.
      I understand this difference, but there always seems to be an uproar of "mods can't shadowban"
      The fact that it has the same result, just a smaller scope seems to not warrant such hand wringing over semantics
      [–]Zerael25k get! Party! 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
      Because mods (volunteers) soft-shadowbanning you to censor you from their "private" sub is very different than an actual Reddit Employee deciding you're toxic enough that your voice should never be heard anywhere on reddit, mostly.
      Basically, an ACTUAL shadowban for censorship purpose would generate much more of a shitstorm, as it's the company directly getting involved in infringing someone's speech, and not a community decision.
      [–]aloneinlove 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      Using "soft-shadowban" confuses people even more. It's better to say "I got banned from /r/Games" or "I got shadowbanned by the admins."
      [–]l0c0dantes 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
      Right, but they function in the same way. Shadowban isn't a new or reddit specific term. For there to always be clarification every time someone misuses the word for reddit in particular strikes me as rather peculiar.
      Espically in light of you second paragraph; why would a shitstorm on mods who use shadowbans be a bad thing?
      [–]Zerael25k get! Party! -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
      Espically in light of you second paragraph; why would a shitstorm on mods who use shadowbans be a bad thing?
      It wouldn't (imo), but the size (importance) of the trangression is lessened as Mods are basically allowed to moderate their subs as they want.
      Using the word Shadowban implies the Reddit Admins are involved and therefore people start sending them PMs, Tweets, etc.
      To give you an analogy, it's like if you went on /gamergate/ and posted a Dox which gets deleted and you banned from the sub, and then you make a post explaining how Hotwheels banned you from 8chan.
      Despite the fact that Hotwheels had nothing to do with it, and 8chan allows doxxing as it is not illegal, but also allows board owners to decide moderation rules, which lead to doxxing being forbidden on /gamergate/
      What those mods did is complete shit and deserves to be called out, but they're not Reddit employees and so we shouldn't imply as such ;p
      [–]l0c0dantes -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
      Ok, but that example doesn't really answer my question: Why is calling automod ban a shadow ban as contentious as it is?
      The crux of your argument is a point of mis-attribution (saying person A did a thing when really it was person B, even though person A is the only person who can actually do said thing), where as mine is Semantics (both group A and B do a thing, A can check a box that says "do the thing" where as group B has to do a few steps, none of which is called "Do the thing". By the end of the day, the thing is done by both groups.)
      A ban is rather straight forward. You either get a warning or you dont, but when you go to post you are forbidden. Everyone can do this.
      A shadowban (Link for fun, its from 2007, and has been in use for longer than that), is where you a mod or admin makes it so your posts go through, but noone can see it.
      On reddit, Admins can check a box or something, and the shadowban happens.
      On reddit, Mods were not given that functionality. However, they were given a tool by an admin to automatically mark as spam any word or username they want. This means without warning all your posts through but nobody can see them.
      Which is functionally what a shadowban is.
      Which is where my confusion on the opposition to calling it what it is.
      If there are 2 different roads into a city, the city doesn't change names depending on the road, right? Nor who is driving the car?
      Why is this different?
      (A corollary to this question is: The Admins specifically didn't give mods the shadowban checkbox. Why is this method kosher?)
      [–]Iandrasil 18 points19 points20 points  (3 children)
      being shadowbanned from a shitty sub
      Nothing of value was lost but this kind of censorship is gonna bite them in the ass.
      edit: not default
      [–]thepizzaelemental 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
      /r/games is not a default. You're maybe thinking of /r/gaming.
      [–]Iandrasil 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
      You're right
      [–]ihazcheese 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      A mod actually deleted a bunch of my comments regarding a want for a PC version of Rock Band 4 and other comments on the subject for no reason whatsoever. I called said mod out on it and he just kept deleting my comments over and over again. This was a few days ago.
      [–]MintyTicTac 46 points47 points48 points  (8 children)
      I can fairly confidently confirm I have been soft-shadowbanned from the sub, despite not posting there before.
      This account has hardly any use on it in fact.
      Hmm.
      [–]wileymulder 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
      How do you tell?
      [–]MintyTicTac 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
      Same method as the OP - I posted in a thread, direct linking the comment whilst logged out leads to a page showing nothing. It doesn't appear in the thread at all, but I can see it myself when logged in.
      [–]HAIRYLIFE3 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      I as well which is very strange as I've never posted there before (until today to test) and I'm not super active in this sub either.
      [–]an_ony_mouse 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Never posted there before either, and I just posted a reply in r/games, but I don't appear to be shadowbanned.
      [–]violatedchimp 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      I just did it too. I would suggest that everyone check their status. Mods may have gone nuts
      [–]Maxwell_Lord 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      It's worth noting that top level comments that don't meet a threshold of wordcount will be auto-modded in r/games.
      [–]Gamer9103 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      People keep "blacklists" of users who post in subreddits they don't like. A few months ago someone posted such a list on pastebin IIRC. It was a seemingly random list of posters in KiA and other subreddits.
      Only a matter of time until some agenda-driven mods use them.
      [–]Why-so-delirious 85 points86 points87 points  (15 children)
      Remember when everyone moved from /r/gaming to /r/games because of all the censorship and bullshit?
      Hue.
      Fuck them all.
      Should start our own gaming-based sub. Censorship free and gamergate friendly.
      [–]OrneryTanker 107 points108 points109 points  (3 children)
      Remember when everyone moved from /r/gaming to /r/games because of all the censorship and bullshit?
      Censorship? People moved to /r/games because the moderation on /r/gaming was nonexistent and people were fucking sick of 10 pages of "my girlfriend made me this" "does anyone remember THIS GEM" and "game logic" image macros. They moved to /r/games to have a place to actually talk about fucking games. It's gradually devolved into a place to talk about official press releases unfortunately.
      [–]Mournhold 20 points21 points22 points  (1 child)
      That's how I remember it too. It just seems like r/games swung the pendulum too far the other way and went too authoritarian.
      [–]OrneryTanker 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
      Yeah. With how many subs go to shit because of under-moderation, people forget that over-moderation can be just as big of a problem. I'm not even talking in terms of GG here, /r/games in general just is not a fun or enjoyable place to talk about games. Their rules are structured in such a way as to disallow almost all content that is not official press releases.
      [–]xxfay6 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      It's funny how /r/gaming hasn't changed that much.
      [–]vonmonologue 28 points29 points30 points  (1 child)
      We did. It's called /r/neogaming
      [–]notbarneystinson 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      Wow a gaming sub that actually talks about games.
      [–]the_trev 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
      Is there some reason why /r/gamernews isn't mentioned anywhere? Or are they moderated by the same dictators moderators as /r/games?
      [–]Aphoristic 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
      I was wondering this too. It doesn't look like they share any moderators. They're already nearing 100k subs and seem like the best alternative we have right now.
      [–]HammableOfCarthage 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      The size makes me concerned that SRS will get their hands on it.
      [–]AcherosIs fake journalism 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Should start our own gaming-based sub. Censorship free and gamergate friendly.
      I thought about doing somethign similar, but mostly as a sort of "lets use this sub to talk about games and coordinate playing them together" type of thing.
      [–]SuperFLEB 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      So what now? /r/game? /r/gam? /r/ga?
      [–]Tenbuckstew 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
      Something....something...... When you cut out a mans tongue....it....uhhh. Makes him level up?
      [–]hostile345 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
      It redistributed points from his speech skill into persuade and charisma.
      [–]thelordofcheese 17 points18 points19 points  (2 children)
      Yep. Never posted there before at all. Just posted in a thread about something in which I was actually interested, and made a relevant comment which was completely innocuous (about which system to buy for a new game I'd like). 2 minutes later not showing up in a browser in my VM.
      I'd like to point out that this type of behavior is a direct violation of the reddit rules and ToS: breaking reddit. It removes intended functionality for community engagement and is grounds for a permaban, even IP based. But, of course, the admins will do no such thing because they are shithead SJWs who want their hugbox to pat them on the back and give them easy money.
      [–]HammableOfCarthage 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      And the admins might as well be paid off by Sarkeesian herself.
      [–]ggburner23 22 points23 points24 points  (0 children)
      Hey, good call r/games mods. I'm sure that'll solve everything. /s
      [–]Babill 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
      Well you did say fuck. Twice. You deserve your ban, criminal scum!
      [–]eatingonthetoilet 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
      Just abandon reddit, there's a site called voat that is relatively new and has a similar format to reddit, difference is that it isn't successful enough right now for SJWs to want to infect it.
      [–]sexy_mofo 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
      I've been shadowbanned from there since before all this started. I'll admit I wasn't the most polite person, but it was only because everyone in there seemed to care more about posturing and "looking mature" (which is what most immature people think "acting like a humorless prat with a stick up their ass" entails.)
      [–]Xersha_ 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
      good thing I don't browse /r/games
      [–]WEL16 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
      well, I take back what I said earlier about the mods. They are really a bunch of cowards and assholes.
      [–]BattleChimp 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      This comment of mine was removed.
      You're a fucking hero. BF1942 is the best game ever made in the context of its own time.
      The dev responded with inside information about one of the best games ever made and the mods deleted it. WHY? How insane is that?
      My statement led to information from a dev about the game that wouldn't have been posted otherwise and they fucking deleted it. /r/games has gone mad.
      [–]thirtythreeas 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
      It's okay, I unsubscribed from /r/games a long time ago.
      [–]subhorizonKOBS Reject 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Me too.
      [–]Dragofireheart 14 points15 points16 points  (21 children)
      Confirmed that reddit admins are SJW extremists like Anita and Wu.
      Only a matter of time before you and I are banned/shadowbanned for "disrupting the narrative". My only surprise is this did not happen sooner.
      [–]xthorgoldx 7 points8 points9 points  (7 children)
      Reddit admins
      This is purely the work of the /r/games mods using AutoModerator scripts.
      [–]RavenscroftRaven 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
      Head mod of r/games is an admin.
      [–]xthorgoldx 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Which is true (I always forget that), but largely irrelevant. By comparison, say that you have a school principal who is also on the district board of educators. The principal, in his own school's jurisdiction, expels any student with a name longer than five syllables. Even though he's a member of a higher authority (and, ideally, should be representing that authority in his actions elsewhere), his actions can not and should not be taken as indicative of that higher authority's current stance on an issue.
      It's a subreddit level issue, which means it is in the jurisdiction of the mods, not the admins. Besides as far is Deimorz is concerned, he's like a weapons manufacturer - he maintains Automod but isn't necessarily the one pulling the trigger (at least, the logs don't show evidence of him being in on that). Nalixor, though, I'd say is a bit suspect.
      [–]Silent_Sapient 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
      Admins turn a blindeye because that sub brings in the pageviews.
      [–]xthorgoldx 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
      Turn a blind eye to what? There's nothing inherently against the rules going on; if a sub wants to ban 30000 users, it's not their concern.
      [–]AceyJuan 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Admins don't work based on "rules."
      [–]AceyJuan 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      How specifically do they soft-shadowban users?
      [–]dcgh96 14 points15 points16 points  (6 children)
      It's basically "inb4 this sub and everyone that has at least commented gets banned" at this point.
      [–]Dragofireheart 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
      Yup. Waiting for that day to happen.
      [–]Babill 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
      Come at me, bros and gals.
      [–]Dragofireheart 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      I wonder if those SJW mods from other forums come here to brigade us. Would be quite ironic.
      I also like how I don't see Ghazis talking about this. Not in Hot or New front page. LOL
      [–]Karunamon 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      +1. If they're gonna ban me for posting this comment right here, then I'm not interested in their shitty echo chamber anyways.
      [–]ZeusKabob 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
      I'm guessing that if it hits 50k, it's getting nuked.
      [–]dcgh96 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      Around 2-3 months time?
      [–]ofekme 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
      you sure anita is sjw ? i am not that sure it looks like she is just trying to make money off this.
      [–]Dragofireheart 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      Maybe she isn't and she's just a scam artist.
      Maybe she's both a SJW nut and a scam artist.
      [–]ihazcheese 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
      There was actually a post about 5 months ago in /r/Games calling out the mods of that sub AND the admins of Reddit itself. It was deleted and the user was shadowbanned, along with tons of deleted comments in the thread. Scary stuff.
      [–]Dragofireheart 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
      Scary is a bit of a stretch.
      Douchey is a more accurate term. We can always move if needed. Reddit/Tumblr/Twitter is not the center of my Universe unlike these losers.
      [–]HammableOfCarthage 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      We should just go to the Chans as SRS/SJWs are a creature of the Reddit style sites.
      [–]hellbourner 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
      This is the day and time where liking games will actually result in a ban from gaming communities.
      ....
      Who am I kidding it's been like this for quite a while.
      [–]-SofaKing- 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Lol, made a post called "TESTING TO SEE IF SHADOWBANNED" and it was removed in a heartbeat.
      [–]C4Cypher 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      If I didn't care about stuff like this, I wouldn't be here.
      [–]AceyJuan 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
      So when is Games getting raided by the Admins like /r/technology was?
      Oh wait, the Admins are partisan asshats. I forgot.
      [–]caffienatedjedi 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      Can you give the context for that? I never heard about that.
      [–]AceyJuan 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      /r/technology had upset many of its users. The Admins told them to fix the problem and restore confidence or the mods were gone, or they'd lose default, or something. The result was most of the mods were booted, and many users left too.
      [–]KindaConfusedIGuess 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
      Jokes on them, I'm already shadowbanned from /r/games for calling mods out on this bullshit months ago.
      [–]jMerliN19k get 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      "Oh, you want to point out the corruption here? That's a ban for you, and a ban for you, bans for everyone!"
      [–]sadpizza 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      Jan 21 11:58:09 <BipolarBear0> I ban people based on their comments in other subs
      [–]n0ne0ther 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
      Ban people who don't go to the sub.
      Ayy?
      [–]raze2012Noticed by senpai! 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      There a way to check this without actually posting there? I've never been subscribed (well, I guess by default I was. Pretty much unsubbed from everything at first) nor have I ever posted/voted there (if I did, it must have been 2 years ago, I only lurked reddit before GG).
      [–]xthorgoldx 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Not really, since it's based in their Automoderator script.
      [–]Soupstorm 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      lmao i'm soft shadowbanned there too
      i'm a fucking nobody, this is just sad
      [–]ScewMadd 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      I am too. Tried to comment, went incognito, and there's nothing.
      "How dare you show us to be censorious assholes. We'll censor you good for this."
      The only weapon they have is banning, and when all you have is a hammer every problem starts to look like a nail. The more they overplay this card, the more they drive people away.
      [–]Keiichi81 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
      /r/Games is dead to me. Aside from all my posts there being auto-deleted within moments of being submitted for no explicable reason (presumably because I comment in KiA), the entire sub has pretty much been taken over by /r/pcmasterrace trolls anyway. I unsubscribed months ago and have been no worse for it.
      [–]sensorih 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      I've been shadowbanned from reddit. No idea why.
      [–]jdub1180 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
      I'm out of the loop here. Whats the deal with these modleaks and shadow bans? Anyone got a link for a quick rundown of wtfs going on?
      [–]MazeMouse 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      Exactly what GamerGate has been about. TL;DR - Corruption and collusion is exposed and people get banned/silenced/ostracized for exposing it.
      [–]ledailydose 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Join the club, bro
      [–]micro102 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      It's simple. Make multiple posts of above and over the supposed character limit. Figure out if that rule is true from there.
      [–]an_ony_mouse 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      I did and am not shadowbanned (though I did get downvoted to hell, lol).
      Edit> I did get shadowbanned
      [–]m0vi 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Well then, voat.co it os for me!
      [–]threelite 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Wow that's pretty fucked up. Why would your behavior in a subreddit get you banned elsewhere?
      [–]NeptuneRises 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Why would anyone go there?
      [–]Karunamon 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      I think this was either stopped or was never a thing - my posts are going through just fine.
      [–]Tumbler 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      I had such a high opinion of r/Games before all this. I'm truly sad that the mods of the sub reddit are so immature.
      [–]OsmundTheOrange 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Man, reddit is really starting to go down hill since those sjws moved in
      [–]JohhnyDamage 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Mod leaks? What happened?
      [–][deleted]  (1 child)
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        [–]an_ony_mouse 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        It appears that due to my replies earlier (comment graveyard here: Games/comments/2yp1zl/code_name_steam_reivew_thread/cpbot5v), I have now been shadowbanned. I just hope the other redditors I was conversing with didn't get shadowbanned as well, since their replies appear to have been deleted as well.
        [–]Ohib 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Welp, looks like I'm unsubscribing from that shithole then.
        I swear I've unsubscribed from more subs in the last few months than ever before due to mod corruption.
        I'm slowly running out of places on the internet not infested by SJW's.
        [–]DuduMaroja 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        how many people here are subscribed to r/games ?
        it whould be fun to see a huge unsubscrive wave in r/games to make it even more smaller than it already is.
        [–]Chadwig315 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        This is my first actual post in KIA but I have been subbed for months and do not appear to be shadowbanned from /r/games yet. Still see my posts when I'm not logged in.
        [–]Hate_Sponge 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
        So are most mods teenagers on a power trip?
        [–]AnvilofSpinning 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
        Nah just adult cunts.
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          [–]wowww_ 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Games is a shitty subr anyways, imo avoid it like the plague.
          [–]BucIt 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Im not a huge gamer or anything, but how can you be a member of r/gaming and support this type of crap? What sort of real big gamer would be on the side of the SJW's and the rest of the loons?
          [–]Bookkeep 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
          I thought games was created because gaming was a shithole. I guess in reddit fashion Truegaming will be created next.
          How do you shadowban for a single subreddit? I didn't think shadowbans could be limited to 1 subreddit. I feel like they will be used a lot more often.
          [–]caffienatedjedi 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
          You have automoderator hide posts from certain posters.
          [–]runnerofshadows 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          truegaming already existed. from this mess /r/neogaming and /r/Gamesnews were created.
          How do you shadowban for a single subreddit? I didn't think shadowbans could be limited to 1 subreddit. I feel like they will be used a lot more often.
          They're using an automoderator script.
          [–]ihazcheese 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Dude, I had the same shit happen to me a few days ago! Get on this shit. I didn't know where to go to report it, but this is a good start.
          [–]exceed0153 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Yeah, I also seem to be shadowbanned from /r/games. I don't remember if I posted there before.
          [–]AvalonBright 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          This, this does not please me at all. I comment on /r/games all the time. Not happy at all, no sir.
          [–]voatdotcoisbetter 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          I need more evidence that this is really silent bans rather than shitty spam filter
          [–]CrisJay [score hidden]  (0 children)
          r/games is a shit subreddit if I'm to be honest. Literally NOTHING that is good, productive, or thought provoking comes from that subreddit.
          [–]VicMackeySadFace [score hidden]  (1 child)
          What's sad is that nothing will change and the world will move on.
          :( Does power corrupt or are the corrupt just drawn to power?
          [–]randomstudman [score hidden]  (0 children)
          Both
          [–]md1957 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          If these people think that their actions are damage control or a way of clearing their name...they're not.
          [–]ThisIsFrigglishThe 0.0065% 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
          Because I was ever going to post in /r/games.
          [–]twomongsmakearight[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
          Well that's fine, but a few of us do post there, simply because it's a useful place to read about video games news and is actually a pretty decent community, outside this recent drama. It's a shame they've felt threatened enough to resort to such extreme authoritarian measures.
          [–]ThisIsFrigglishThe 0.0065% 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          Eh, I'd sooner not fuel their mods' delusions of adequacy by giving the impression their sub is so worthwhile as to overlook their behavior just because it got the name early.
          [–]GrimshadowEU 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Ladies and Gents, we approach phase 3.
          The weapon must be dropped ASAP
          [–]vonmonologue 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
          I'm not shadowbanned from Games, but I only post there once in a blue moon so maybe they've overlooked me.
          [–]Industrylol 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          I am not either. I just posted a comment however that should have no reason to be banworthy. The bait has been placed.
          [–]Magyman 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
          I just commented twice. One was removed and one wasn't
          [–]thelordofcheese 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Wait for the automod to get to your post. It will be.
          [–]InvisibleJimBSH 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Halt criminal scum! You shall pay a fine or go to shadowban!
          chooses resist arrest
          [–]cakesphere 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          I've been unsubbed from games for ages, now. What a shithole.
          I mostly lurk on PCMR now
          [–]Bilgelink 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Salt salt everywhere.
          [–]Madlutian 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
          Shadowbanning can only be done by the reddit Admins, not sub mods. I had an account shadowbanned a long time ago, no idea why. But, I only found out after a couple of weeks of commenting with no replies / upvotes /downvotes at all. I went to /r/shadowban to make sure.
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