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[–]vechmasterAlready filled with self loathing, checkmate. 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (50子コメント)

I don't mind vegans, but I fucking hate preachy holier-than-thou vegans >:c

[–]squeezebuttmagic 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (49子コメント)

I highly doubt any of these people are 100% vegan, they're probably like those preachers who preach against homosexuality and are later caught with a twink in some shady motel. Any one that is that venomous towards someone else based on their actions (no matter how "wrong" you think they are) is just projecting their own struggles.

This applies to vegans who lash out at non-vegans, and non-vegans who lash out at vegans for no reason and pester them about their choices.

Tumblr vegans are vegans for all the wrong reasons, if they are even fully vegan. It's fucking ridiculous.

Most vegans I know are vegans because they choose to opt out of contributing to factory farming, or they just don't feel the need to eat meat, or a bunch of other reasons. I personally started meditating and in the process lost appetite for meat (which is a common experience). I have no problem with what other people eat, and in fact, I encourage those who show interest in going vegan to take their time and not be so militant about it, which will only create resistance from within.

It's annoying to see that veganism itself is getting hate just because a bunch of Tumblr nutjobs have added veganism to the list of things that they are oh-so-righteous for. It's very difficult to be vegan if your only motivation is to feel superior to others, and I doubt that any of these 'vegans' would last long if that is their only motivation.

Most vegans are vegans for animals, or for spiritual reasons, and most never lash out at others or tell them what to do. Any spiritually inspired vegan would agree that if your only motivation is to stroke your own ego and feel superior to others, you aren't accomplishing anything and you won't last long at all.

EDIT This comment being heavily downvoted pretty much proves my point. People become extremely hostile at the mere mention of someone being vegan, simply because it makes them question or become aware of their own beliefs. Tumblr turning this into a good VS evil thing makes it all worse.

[–]fascistpigdog -11 ポイント-10 ポイント  (48子コメント)

It really is not an issue of live and let live. The meat and dairy industries are ravaging the biosphere that we live in and evolved in. There is no way that 7-9 billion people can chow down on meat whenever they want and not cause a disaster. As well the cruelty with which it is conducted should make any meat eater ashamed. Especially since it is completely unnecessary. Yes it is possible to live a lifestyle that keeps cruelty to a minimum, and once you go a while without meat or dairy you will see you never needed them to begin with.

Edit: look how ready this sub is to downvote an opposing point of view into oblivion, so that it stops me from being able to respond to people. I guess this is a "safe space" for meat eaters so that you can keep killing innocent animals without getting your feels hurt by a vegan. Dont pretend you are better than tumblr, you are just idiots of a different stripe.

[–]SultanofShitDropbearkin: Take a walk under my tree 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I agree but we don't have to be the preachy vegan who just makes others dig their heels in. You get much further being the smiling vegan who turns up with a plate of appetising food to share.

[–]Suited_Monkey 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I think the fact that there's 7-9 BILLION PEOPLE on the Earth is the leading cause of it being destroyed. Not the fact we eat meat, which is something most humans have done since the beginning of humans.

[–]veggiter 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

We've always ate meat. We haven't always produced meat.

[–]UltimateShipThe2nd -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

We haven't always produced meat

Humans have been herders at least as long as we've been farmers. So, unless you're also against agriculture...

[–]veggiter 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That isn't relevant to the point I was making. Either way, on the scale it's currently produced, meat requires agriculture to sustain it.

In fact, most food-related agriculture goes toward meat production, and it requires something like 7 times the resources.

I'm not against agriculture, but it's pretty evident that the level at which we are doing it (in no small part because of meat production) is damaging to the environment.

[–]UltimateShipThe2nd -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The amount of land used for agriculture has decreased over the past century (in the US) because agricultural techniques have improved dramatically. We should be celebrating our increased agricultural yields, not whining. Unless you enjoy starving.

[–]veggiter -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Missing the point entirely.

[–]UltimateShipThe2nd -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are the one missing the point. Agriculture is a good thing, meat is a good thing, and our ever increasing ability to produce it is a good thing.

[–]Prof_AcornIt's the Great Pump-kin, Charlie Brown 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be fair there's a difference between hunting and killing a deer in the woods and raising 10,000 cattle in a space that should be used to really only raise 500 and feeding them energy-intensive corn when corn is not a part of their natural diet and pumping them full of antibiotics because the living conditions are so terrible they'll get sick otherwise and cutting corners and feeding them to themselves causing mad cow prion disease.

I'm a vegan, and I would prefer if more people started hunting deer in the woods to supporting the industrialized beef industry - it's one of the most resource intensive and ecologically harmful food industries we have.

[–]UltimateShipThe2nd 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you care about the environment, you should be ecstatic that we can use one twentieth the land to produce the same amount of cattle.

[–]Suited_Monkey 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you on that. However, the problem doesn't stem from the fact that humans evolved eating meat, but rather we reproduce like god damn rabbits and swarmed the Earth past maximum occupancy. We have this culture of creating as much life as possible and staying alive for as long as possible. When that many people need to eat for more than a few decades, hunting for deer in the woods isn't a viable option. Maybe if human populations were regulated, we wouldn't have to mass produce food like we do now.

[–]fascistpigdog -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet

People have also raped and murdered since the beginning, does nto make them right.

[–]Suited_Monkey 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you sure? I didn't think there was any difference at all between the two. /s

Although, murder is good for population control, but that's a different conversation altogether.

[–]sammanzhiaccidentally oppressing you 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rape and murder did not directly affect our evolution, however. Our dicks/vaginas didn't evolve to accommodate rape and our hands weren't shaped to accommodate murder. Our bodies, however, have evolved to be omnivorous. It's part of our being. That's not saying that our heightened consciousness and intellectual thought can't allow us to change our habits, but you can't act like rape and murder has been a pillar of humankind like meat consumption has been.

EDIT: And I'm not even saying that because we evolved that way we should eat meat. I'm saying that you can't logically say rape and murder are similar to meat eating in any way, not even historically.

[–]rsresnorI Knight so White you could call me a snow-man 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if the meat industry were gone the human population and its demands will still be unsustainable. The meat industry is only a problem because the population has grown out of control. Morality is subjective.

[–]Frontrunner453 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Found the vegan.

[–]squeezebuttmagic 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you, but Tumblr is insane and turning this into a good vs evil thing. It is not. I was not evil when I ate animal products, cognitive dissonance is powerful and most of us can find ways to rationalize everything. This doesn't make anyone evil.

Tumblr vegans (if they are vegans at all) do it for the wrong reasons, and that is to feel morally superior, like they do everything else. They are grade-A narcissists.

I have never preached veganism to anyone because I didn't become vegan for ethical reasons, I just lost appetite for animal products slowly (meditation can do that).

My family and friends, all of who are non-vegans, have since approached me and asked me questions and I would say that my family has cut down their consumption of animal products by 75%, simply because they saw how easy it was to substitute things like dairy milk with almond milk, butter with earth balance, burgers with boca burgers or other veggie burgers.

People approach me and are curious, and I give them advice.

Usually the first thing I tell people is to NOT rush into it, as with any change crazy restriction usually leads to bingeing later on. Making people feel bad for their choices is doing nothing but adding resistance to an issue. The only reason I am am still vegan several years later is because I didn't turn this into a right/wrong thing, but I took little steps at my own pace.

[–]keytud 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (15子コメント)

The meat and dairy industry are contributing to the destruction of the biosphere. So is your car, and your clothes, and the vegetables you eat, and the water you drink, and the electronic device you're typing on, and the air you breath.

I could very well be contributing less co2 than you because of my extensive use of a bicycle, despite my choice to eat meat.

So fuck right off with your righteous environmental indignation. Meat is not the leading contributor to climate change or habitat destruction. The earth would be better off if we didn't, but it's dishonest to act like meat is the corner stone of everything wrong with the environment today just because it's your pet cause.

[–]OdySeatrans female but my expression is male -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It isn't just co2 emissions. Modern day factory farming is a waste of oil, water, land, and crops when compared to what non-animal product could be grown in the same area. Deforestation, water contamination, and the degradation of fertile soil are also major byproducts of factory farming.

Not to mention the grossly unnecessary suffering it brings on animals (including the humans who staff the facilities).

[–]rsresnorI Knight so White you could call me a snow-man 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Roads, the steel industry, strip mining, urban expansion, airports, landfills, and plastics all cause the same type of damage to the earth and we could get by without any of those as well.

Don't get me wrong, factory farming is probably one of the easiest things we could be rid of of all of these, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking we're going to save the earth anytime soon without a drastic reduction in human population. Veganism is cool, but yelling at people for choosing to eat meat is about as useful for yelling at them for paying taxes that fund infrastructure projects.

Progress like that is slow and will take generations. Meat is a part of many cultures, and culture changes slowly.

[–]OdySeatrans female but my expression is male -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seems we don't really have any disagreements, but I would contest that unnecessary eating for pleasure is an action much more probable to change than the government-forced action of paying taxes. :)

[–]UltimateShipThe2nd 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The meat and dairy industries are ravaging the biosphere that we live in and evolved in.

Not really, no. Yeah, cow farts are bad for global warming, but the rest of it is relatively mild compared to most of our activities. Feedlots decrease the amount of land used in meat production.