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[–]CaptainStarLord -78 ポイント-77 ポイント  (47子コメント)

All fun aside I find it incredibly weird that a lot of people have a problem with the concept of her("how dare a WOMAN touch the Odinsons hammer"). It's so bad that even racists ignore the "black Captain America" to focus on her.

Edit:Yes go ahead and downvote me for defending this character and yet upvote the guy trowing a temper tantrum over her using Thor's name and SJWs. Real classy.

[–]OlDirtyBanana 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (10子コメント)

A lot of the issue is that she uses Thor's name. Several people have used Thor's hammer, and thus powers. They never called themselves Thor. Thor is a name not a title and the creators of the new Thor comic haven't adequately addressed that discrepency.

[–]MadMurilo 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Some of the people that held Mjolnir used the name Thor. What i dislike about the characters is that she is terribly written, it's very hard to believe thats the same creator of God Butcher and God Bomb.

[–]wolfofthewest_ 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some of the people that held Mjolnir used the name Thor.

This is incorrect. It would be far more accurate to say "People who were merged with the soul of Thor Odinson became Thor while wielding Mjolnir."

[–]mustachioed_cat 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is she really terribly written? From what I've seen of the character, it sounds like a modern person (we don't know who she is yet, right?) being filtered through the hammer, introducing a bunch of thees and thines.

[–]MadMurilo 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not specially the character, but these new volumes have a terrible storyline, specially the last two ones. For good female characters in recent comic books i higly recommend the actual Black Widow releases.

[–]Doctor_Superbatman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doesn't Donald Blake exist in the same maybe-individual-person-maybe-Thor limbo?

[–]apocalypsenowandthen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thor's unworthy so someone else is stepping up and taking his place. He even refuses to call himself Thor. The creators addressed it adequately in Thor and Odinson's meeting either last issue or the issue before. I swear half the people complaining haven't even bothered to read the comic. You guys sound like fucking Breitbart.

[–]wolfofthewest_ 104 ポイント105 ポイント  (30子コメント)

This comment reveals a lot about your own biases and prejudices, and really perfectly demonstrates why social justice warriors are so toxic to fandoms. You assume that the reaction to Thor is sexist, and are baffled by the lack of a "racist" reaction to "black Captain America."

It's obvious that you've bought into a lot of toxic nonsense about fanboys, and aren't really a member of the fandom. Otherwise you'd understand exactly why no one is complaining about "black Captain America" and everyone is complaining about "girl Thor."

No one cares about "black Captain America" because someone always takes up the mantle of Captain America when Steve Rogers abandons it. This time that person is Sam Wilson, who has been fighting alongside Steve for decades, is a hugely important character in the series, and totally deserves to take up the mantle.

The problem with Thorina is that it doesn't make any sense in terms of the history of the character. Picking up Mjolnir does not transform a person into Thor -- it gives them a Thor-like costume and the powers of Thor, but they keep their own identity. For example, when Wonder Woman picked up the hammer, she did not become Thor. Her costume changed and she got Thor's powers, but remained Diana. Same thing with Beta Ray Bill. Same thing with Captain America.

Where people get confused is that four normal human beings who have weilded Thor's hammer have become Thor Odinson. These four men were Donald Blake, Eric Masterson, Jake Olsen and Red Norvell. What is very important to understand is that none of these men became Thor because they picked up Mjlonir.

Instead, all four of these men ("Wielders") had become merged with Thor Odinson by various means. In all four cases Thor Odinson and the the Wielder had become merged into one being, with the Thor personality only coming out when the powers were active.

Donald Blake was Thor's spirit trapped in a mortal form as a punishment by Odin. Eric Masterson became Thor when Odin sealed Thor Odinson into Eric's mind in order to save Eric's life. Jake Olsen was possessed by Thor's soul due to complex manipulations by Hela when Jake and Thor were both killed by the Destroyer in the same battle. Red Norvell became Thor because Odin worked some messed up magic in an attempt to save Thor from Ragnarok by letting Red die in his place.

Supposedly female Thor gained the identity of Thor by lifting the hammer, and Thor Odinson is still wandering about not trapped inside her head. She doesn't gain his body when she gains his powers, unlike every other mortal that actually became Thor.

She is not Thor. She is some other character who has mjolnir and Thor's powers, but she is not Thor. Thor Odinson, the dude she is tapping in the chest in the linked image, is Thor. To say that she is Thor is to ignore the entire Thor canon. It's completely ridiculous.

And like all shitty writers who have ever gotten their hands on a comic and shat all over canon, the writer of Thor is getting a lot of grief for it. And like every SJW writer who gets grief for violating canon, he and his fans are trying to hide behind calling everyone else sexists and racists, when the reality is we're just bigger comic book fans that you morons.

[–]ItsStevoHooray 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

And another problem with it would be the heavyhandedness of the writing. Like it's trying so hard to be "Look at all the feminism and female empowerment!" that it just devalues the story, to the point of completely changing characters' personalities and creating boring plots that don't even really make much sense. The whole sibject could be handled well. Feminist themes could still be present, and be the core of the story, without them degrading the story and turning it into a simple delivery service for girl power.

[–]TheInkerman [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

As someone who isn't into comics beyond the recent movies, why don't they just create a new female superhero if they want to push a feminist narrative, or just have more women? I can understand it if the superhero identity was one which changed people occasionally, and one day was adopted by a female character, but my understanding was that Thor is actually Thor.

Co-opting popular male characters and turning them into women in order to push feminism and female empowerment (or whatever) seems contradictory. The message this sends (to me) is that female superheroes cannot be successful of their accord, and can only co-opt existing male popularity and interest, they can't succeed on their own, which ostensibly goes against the feminist narrative they're trying to push.

[–]ApocaRUFF [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Because they know that comic book fans don't give a shit - most aren't sexist to begin with and prefer to stay out of it. But they want an audience for their cause and so they have convinced (I'll let you figure out how) someone to give them the "keys to the kingdom" so that they can force it on the fandom.

There's already a lot of "Empowered" female heroes out there. Have been for decades. But they usually don't have the biggest fan base because there aren't so many women comic book fans and men obviously prefer characters they can relate to you (male heroes).

[–]FabulousKilljoy [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

why don't they just create a new female superhero if they want to push a feminist narrative, or just have more women?

Because that wouldn't create internet arguments generating millions of dollars worth of free advertising.

[–]herpnderplurker [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You have to understand that most of the comic characters we know were pretty set in stone by the 60's. New character's don't really stick around because people only pay to read/see the iron man's and wolverine's. They are revamping a lot of these characters now and doing spin offs where the females are less sexualized. Check out the new batgirl she doesn't have giant tits, isn't wearing a skin tight suit, and wears actual combat boots vs high heels. Plus captain marvel is getting her movie soon along with wonder woman.

[–]lameth [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

This then leads one to the question: when does an idea regarding a character become canon?

Just because it hasn't been that way before, why can't it not now?

This also frames every single individual that disagrees as disagreeing for the same reason, and implying that none of them are doing so for sexist reasons. I've known a large number of comic book "purists:" there are many sexists among them. I would not say it is all sexism, but you cannot also say none of it is.

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[–]apollyonus [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Perfectly said. Gonna save this.

[–]newdefinition [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Maybe some people feel this way and are just incredibly bad at expressing themselves? But it could be that the majority of people complaining have no idea about the canon and are just sexist? Here's a thought experiment to try and see which is more likely:

  1. The writers had made a new character that was a man, but 'shat all over canon' in exactly the same way. He didn't merge with Thor, Thor Odinson is still wandering around out there somewhere, and this guy just appeared to become Thor by picking up the hammer. Does anyone think that everyone who's complaining about it now would be complaining about that? I'd guess that you probably would be, but that many of the people complaining about a woman-thor might not notice or care.

  2. The writers didn't 'shat on the canon' but they still made a woman-thor. Her character was written to be created in a similar way to past characters, she actually does merge with Thor Odinson, etc. Do we think that none of the people complaining now would complain about that? There may be issues with character development, but if we're assuming the current outcry is only about the issue of respecting canon, then something like this wouldn't have been a problem.

[–]CTeam19 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"black Captain America" to focus on her.

I have no problem with Sam being Cap. My problem with Sam being Cap is it seems forced on Marvel's part. You have the "Trinity": Iron Man, Cap, and Thor all change in the same month: Iron Man turned into douche, Thor becoming a girl, Cap going black. Also, in the last ten years you have a replacement for Steve seven of those years. It also a new villain that took away Steve's powers, so they made up a character for that one purpose. Odds are we will never see that villain again. The last reason it seems forced to me is because Marvel made press releases telling us who that the new Cap was Sam even before the new issue was out, so there was no surprise. With Thor we still have no idea who she is.

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[–]sjwprincess [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

All fun aside I find it incredibly weird that a lot of people have a problem with the concept of her("how dare a WOMAN touch the Odinsons hammer"). It's so bad that even racists ignore the "black Captain America" to focus on her.

Edit:Yes go ahead and downvote me for defending this character and yet upvote the guy trowing a temper tantrum over her using Thor's name and SJWs. Real classy.

Hey there.

You're fuckin' dumb.