(cache) insoundfromwayoutがLessons in Logic - #BringBackClarkson isn't about whether PC has gone too far. It's about the public justifying an alleged assault for its own entertainment interests.について記入したコメント

No, I don't have anything to do with the petition. I just saw this post and how it was written "LESSONS IN LOGIC - by old 'Report Photographer' who has tagged himself 'Journalist' and thought it was all a bit up-itself. So I said so in the comments, and then started messing around with the OP as it became apparent that he is incredibly concerned with coming across as a serious journalist. He literally just said "You don't even know me! Were you by my side as I, the "typical journalist", dealt with a car bomb in Beirut? or interviewed rape victims in the Congo? No, I do not recall you being with me. You do not know me, so stop trying to brand me."

It's just funny. It's funny when you find people like that, he's like the Mariah Carey of journalism. That's the only reason I'm continuing these threads; the guy is nuts and I am enjoying hearing him talk about himself.

So, no, I have no interest in the petition, didn't sign a petition, I just saw a title that was taking itself too seriously and then got in an argument with a man who takes himself too seriously because it was funny.

I don't really know what you're getting at. That I signed the petition and then became ashamed of it and came here to say that patronising people is wrong as a way to make myself feel better? Have you been playing a lot of cludo?

[–]toward_the_forward [非表示スコア] 39 分前 (3子コメント)

[–]insoundfromwayout [非表示スコア] 37 分前 (2子コメント)

[–]toward_the_forward [非表示スコア] 30 分前 (1子コメント)

このスレッドの続きを見る

[–]Xobics 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 2 時間前 (3子コメント)

[–]insoundfromwayout 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 2 時間前 (0子コメント)

[–]1qq6 [非表示スコア] 24 分前 (1子コメント)

[–]insoundfromwayout [非表示スコア] 3 分前 (0子コメント)

[–]CornettoTrilogy [非表示スコア] 25 分前 (3子コメント)

[–]insoundfromwayout [非表示スコア] 23 分前 (2子コメント)

[–]CornettoTrilogy [非表示スコア] 13 分前 (1子コメント)

[–]insoundfromwayout [非表示スコア] 7 分前 (0子コメント)

Look, if we walk away from this thread knowing only one thing, it's that he is not a typical journalist.

A journalist, yes. It says so in his flair. And his name alludes to it. And the journalistic title of this thread. And he mentions it several times in the thread. But a typical journalist? No sir.

Would a typical journalist know how to deal with a car bomb in Beirut? Were you by his side when he, the 'so called' 'typical journalist', interviewed rape victims in the Congo? You know how serious rape is? Now you feel bad for laughing don't you? Wouldn't be laughing in the faces of those rape victims as he interviewed them, would you? You'd feel stupid then wouldn't you? Well that's how stupid you should feel now, for assuming he is a typical journalist.

For he is not. He is better than us. And now I have seen the proof, I am fully prepared to believe that.

[+]ReportPhotographerUK based journo[S] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 2 時間前 (29子コメント)

[–]insoundfromwayout 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 2 時間前* (28子コメント)

[+]ReportPhotographerUK based journo[S] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 2 時間前 (27子コメント)

[–]insoundfromwayout 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 1 時間前* (24子コメント)

LESSONS IN JOURNALISM
Join me as I teach an eager young rosy faced journalist a lesson or two in writting
^11th ^March ²⁰¹⁵

Firstly, the old 'waste bin' joke doesn't work online, because these posts are paperless and therefore unable to be put into a wastebin.

Secondly, 'what's the problem with adding a title like any other journalist would?' - because it's not a journal, is it, it's just reddit. Why does no one else title their posts like that? What is the difference between you and them? If someone else writes a post like 'heres what I think of the Clarkson thing' why don't they put a title on it? Is your opinion more informed than theirs, does it matter more, because you are a journalist? What journal do you write for anyway, if you want to format like a journalist, why couldn't you just write a title in your newspaper piece and then link to it?

And it's not really the fact you put a title, its the fact that the title is patronising. By putting 'Lessons in Logic' you're saying that the people you disagree with are acting not out of a difference of opinion but simply because they are illogical fuckwits, and you are in a position to teach them how to behave properly. Like you are gracing us with a lesson on how to behave. It's just a bad choice of title, compounded on top of the fact that it's ridiculous to put a title on a reddit post anyway. If you're going to be a journalist you've got to be careful with the words you chose, not to make yourself sound like a ponce who thinks your readers, or whoever, are just a bunch of idiots.

But that's me, Ralf Scoop, over and out.

EDIT: It was brought to the attention of our editor that there was a mistake in the title of this article. The word 'writing' was misspelled in the sub-headline 'teach an eager young rosy faced journalist a lesson or two in writting'. Because of the ironic placement of the mistake we are unable to disclose if the mistake was intentional or not, and Ralf Scoop is so far unable to be reached by our office to confirm or deny the intention of the joke, as he is deep in the darkest congo writing an article about hippo fucking.

[–]BritishHoboWales 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間前 (9子コメント)

[–]insoundfromwayout 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間前* (8子コメント)

To play Devil's advocate; why couldn't it be that they simply don't care much about the incident at work, and just want to watch the show they like? I mean that might be uncaring, but I don't think it's illogical or even stupid.

Like, say at Coca-cola HQ there was a fight, and there is a guy there that owns the patent to Coca-cola, and he gets in a fight with someone else in the office and smashes their laptop up. And the rest of the executives tell him this is the last straw, and even though Coca-cola is their number one seller, they are willing to fire him, lose the product, and just continue to sell Sprite and Fanta and whatever else. And everyone knows they will lose loads of money without him, that its their most popular product they are sabotaging, but they just can't stand him being a cunt around the office any more, so they cut off their nose to spite their face - no one gets away with acting violent and destroying property in the coca-cola HQ, no one!.

So, they announce that Coca-cola is cancelled, there will be no more for the foreseeable future. They tell you to buy Fanta instead. Now, coca-cola is so well loved, that there would be a huge push from the public to get that reversed, to ensure that production continues.

That doesn't mean that everyone who signs that petition supports the destruction of property and aggression in the workplace. Its far more likely that they just don't care about some workplace dispute in some office somewhere, but do care a great deal about being able to get hold of one of their favourite products.

Would you really come down on the side of "Well, we have to all take a sacrifice and go without coca-cola in solidarity for that man who had his computer ruined" - wouldn't it be a far stronger reaction in your gut to say "who the fuck cares what happened between two people somewhere? There's a billion of us who like this product, are we really all going to lose it just to stick up for the underdog in some argument somewhere in a country far far away?"

Is that illogical? It might be uncaring for the guy who got his stuff smashed up, but does it mean the people are idiots?

I would imagine that most people don't care if Clarkson hit someone. Lets say you read it as old news, you read somewhere "in 1997, Clarkson hit a coworker at the BBC" - what would your reaction be? Probably nothing at all. I doubt you would want anything done. It doesn't really impact your world. But missing your favourite TV show does impact your world. So people are voting for something they care about over something they don't. It may be unloving, but its not because they are all not as smart as you and the OP.

AND ANYWAY, Thats not really my point. I'm saying that being patronising to anyone never does any real good. Even if you do genuinely think they are below you for some reason, like you do with these people. It doesn't make it a good thing, it's not going to solve anything.

[–]BritishHoboWales 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 時間前 (7子コメント)

[–]insoundfromwayout -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 1 時間前 (6子コメント)

[–]BritishHoboWales 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間前 (5子コメント)

このスレッドの続きを見る

[+]ReportPhotographerUK based journo[S] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 1 時間前 (13子コメント)

I'm now bored with this, and have other stories to work on.

But I'll leave you with this. I don't have an affiliation to any individual newspaper or magazine that would print a column because I am a wires journalist. But my work appears in national newspapers and magazines all over the world.

Secondly, if I had more time, I would gladly debate with you that the title is not patronising, but is in fact duly apt for the course of my analysis.

Please do not assume that my intentions are to say everyone who disagrees with my views, or who reads and opposes my analysis is an "illogical fuckwit", because that is fundamentally untrue, and is only a projection of your interpretation which you are trying to label as my view. Which it is not. As you will see, I have in no way criticised the individuals who have signed the petition, but merely highlighted an important oversight made on their behalf.

I titled it as such because it is a lesson in logic. It is a logical step-by-step breakdown of a petition which has side-tracked the public debate on an issue, and which actually shows a greater problem within society - the ability to commit a criminal act and be allowed to get away without investigation or punishment because the public like you. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Again, I am sorry you feel patronised, but I'm also not, because nobody has the right to not be offended or feel patronised, so get over it and why don't you actually ADD something to the debate that is relevant, rather than pursuing the messenger as you have chosen to do so.

I will not reply to you any further because I believe you are now on the attack because you were upset/angered/offended/patronised. Well as Stephen Fry said: "It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what."

And fuck me, right? How dare I put MY voice on a public Internet forum and appear condescending. How very unfucking PC of me.

[–]pottersgroundbawbag 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 1 時間前 (8子コメント)

[+]ReportPhotographerUK based journo[S] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 1 時間前 (7子コメント)

[–]pottersgroundbawbag 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 時間前 (6子コメント)

[–]ReportPhotographerUK based journo[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 1 時間前 (5子コメント)

このスレッドの続きを見る

[–]insoundfromwayout 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 1 時間前* (3子コメント)

[–]Wilson1031 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間前 (2子コメント)

[–]insoundfromwayout 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間前 (1子コメント)

[–]Wilson1031 [非表示スコア] 42 分前 (0子コメント)

[–]Wargame4life 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間前 (0子コメント)

コメントをもっと表示する (1 返事)

π Rendered by PID 28991 on app-57 at 2015-03-11 15:38:27.663675+00:00 running b92d3ff country code: JP.

unitedkingdom

Do not editorialise titles.

Try to keep a positive attitude.

Images

Flair

Bots and novelty accounts

調停者