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University of Oklahoma fraternity Sigma Alpha Epsilon on a bus chanting "There will never be a n***r at SAE" (youtube.com)

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[–]Elios_wally 135 ポイント136 ポイント  (104子コメント)

Wait, you put a fraternity of your resume? Why? Sorry if this seems like a dumb question.

[–]kuikuilla 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'd put it only if I held some special position there or was a board member or so.

Edit: I must add that I have no experience about actual american fraternities, only about finnish university nations. I don't think you can really compare fraternities to nations. So basically what I said originally might not apply ;)

[–]Elios_wally 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I see. So are people more likely to give people jobs based on being in the same frat? Are the fraternities the same over all the universities?

[–]tonicandgin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should do some research about powerful men in american history and their association with fraternities.

[–]incipio45 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not necessarily, but Greek life in the US is a huge network, so it could definitely help get your foot in the door somewhere.

As far as being the same, not really. I'll use SAE as the example here. There's an SAE at a lot of different universities (called chapters), and no two chapters are exactly alike. For example, you have the chapter in the video which gives them a really bad reputation, while at another university the SAE chapter might be really well respected and behaved.

I'm in a fraternity myself (Not SAE). My chapter is highly respected for our academics and social standing, while at a rival university, the chapter there is a madhouse with alcohol/drugs and have almost been kicked off.

[–]pantless_pirate 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really. It shows other things like commitment and whatnot. Have a fraternity on your resume isn't going to make or break it for you when looking for a job. Your GPA and degree are really what do it.

[–]MrRaspberryJamz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a sure thing, but definitely helps. I recently had an interview where my interviewer was part of a fraternity when he was in college (not the same one as me though) and commented about how he believes people in Greek Life have leadership skills that those who aren't don't when he saw it on my résumé.

[–]i_forget_my_userids 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why do you eat pea soup on Thursdays?

[–]kuikuilla 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

In the finnish defence forces every thursday is a pea soup + pancake day. It just stuck to people.

[–]AmericaLLC 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

AKA best day of the week.

[–]Chubby_Nugget -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if the guy hiring was part of your same frat and, you left it off and it came down to two apps, and the other guy was somehow part of the same frat, but listed his membership. Who do you think gets the job. Hell half the government including the pres are skull n bones, you think that coincidence?

Edit: down vote if you like, true though it is.

[–]horsenbuggy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could put any civic projects you were part of thru the frat.

[–]DVagabond 138 ポイント139 ポイント  (43子コメント)

It shows that the applicant is willing and able to put up with a boatload of shit and potentially even physical abuse to be part of the group.

Also leadership and networking and all that other stuff.

[–]cprogger70 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention if there happens to be a fraternal brother somewhere in the hiring process...

[–]FaultyWires -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I view frat members as either dumb frat guys or business majors who either can't stand on their own merits or wanted to be part of some BS elite. I work in IT, so that may skew my views, as most of the people I respect are technical (many without any college), but so far this anecdotal representation has been pretty consistent.

[–]itsmikethecat 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is certainly an old-fashioned view. I'm a member of one of the largest national fraternities and there are around 8 guys in our house, myself included, who are computer science majors. That's pretty significant when we only have 50 members.

[–]FaultyWires 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It may be. What it really boils down to is that my experience with them has personally been universally underwhelming, and I think clubs/user groups/tech get-togethers offer a lot more focused benefit without the BS wrapper that comes with it. I'm not sure if you're still a student, but your frat, much like your grades, are a complete non-factor once you have any amount of business experience. I'm sure there are jobs where that isn't the case, but in my world, we only care what you can do.

[–]ataun94 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

good old-fashioned discrimination and stereotyping

[–]FaultyWires 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Frat members aren't a protected class. If theyre going to repeatedly verify my experiences, so be it.

[–]onewithinternet 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"I view black people as either dumb gangsters or people that annoy me. I live in a poor ghetto though so this may skew my view" This is what you sound like.

[–]FaultyWires 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except being black isn't a choice. Joining a stupid frat and talking about it after you're out is. You judge people on their life choices all the time. I judge frat people the same way I judge people who buy every call of duty and halo game. Good for them, but I won't be associating and don't think much of it.

[–]onewithinternet 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, I don't judge people on their life choices all the time. When I meet someone new I actually take the time of day to talk to them, maybe find a similar interest that I can relate to. You know, actually get to know the person before passing them off because they joined a "stupid frat" and thought sharing that was appropriate conversation.

[–]IronBallsOfKnowledge 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Assuming this is a serious inquiry and not condescending, there are different benefits from joining a fraternity that employers look for. Every fraternity does some kind of philanthropic event to raise money to donate to charity. If you organized an event that raised over X amount of dollars that can look good.

You can talk about the community service performed as well. We needed 30 hours of community service per year to retain membership.

If you were on the executive board you can talk about how you managed the budget, collected membership dues, organized chapter activities, set deadlines, and communicated effectively with different heads of the university.

Doing all this on top of getting a degree, as long as you were successful, looks appealing.

[–]Elios_wally 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ok this makes sense. Wouldn't doing community service and raising money for a charity look better on a resume as something you did because you wanted to, rather than because you had to do it to be in the frat? I'm just curious as to how all of it works because we don't really have the fraternity system at our universities.

[–]guess_twat 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wouldn't doing community service and raising money for a charity look better on a resume as something you did because you wanted to, rather than because you had to do it to be in the frat?

You can do community service if you want. Being in a frat, well some fraternities anyway, could show some prospective employers that you are also good at fitting in and getting along with others. You probably know how to tie a tie, dress for formal occasions, socialize with a variety of people, can work with a group and can make friends outside of your old high school or whatever. Being in a fraternity can be a drunk fest too though, it just depends and it also depends on what you make of it while you are there. If you want to be a leader, join a frat, run for an office, get your frat involved in community service and help your brothers see the needs and benefits of community service when they really just signed up for the parties. Oh, but there will be parties....and there will be sorority girls, so there is that too!

Frats can be a blight or they can be an added layer of learning in a college environment.

[–]IronBallsOfKnowledge 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

In my opinion, it looks good to employers as a leadership position. Say you're in a fraternity and get elected to be the Philanthropy chair. Your responsibility as the chair is to organize events throughout the year and find different opportunities to perform community service. On top of the smaller events, their job is to plan and execute the one to two big events that are open to the public to come contribute to our cause. For example, ours was the Judy Fund to help end Alzheimers.

We'd create an event and Greek life as a whole comes together to support each other's events although anybody can participate. There are usually raffles, sign up fees, t-shirts, donation boxes, and other ways to raise money for the cause.

An employer can see this and you'd explain how you set up the event (organization skills), how you got your 50 man house to contribute (leading employees), how you extended the invitation to other fraternities and the public (communication and preparation), and ultimately how big of a success the event was (Are you worth hiring).

There are other positions such as Risk Management, Housing, Treasurer, Recruitment, and many more that help the House run smoothly which can be talked about in depth with an employer.

The public doesn't see how much work is put in on a weekly basis to keep the house afloat and successful. All they see is the parties because thats what everyone can go to and is the most prominent. They don't see committee meetings, the philanthropy, waking up at 7AM after a friday night party to go do community service, the fund raising, the different campus events we appear at, and the planning to make sure everybody gets to and from the parties safely.

It's a great experience and it troubles me that so many people believe the Greek system should be shut down because of mistakes that college kids make. I guess the Greeks have to take the onus though, as we are supposed to hold ourselves at a higher standard. We are supposed to weed out the bad potential members until we're left with quality. But sometimes, they slip through the crack. And sometimes, like SAE in this video, certain chapters just give the rest of us a bad name.

[–]Elios_wally 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hollywood has lied to me.

[–]Elios_wally 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have some more questions because you seem to know what you're talking about. How do you pick who joins the frat? If they do some good work, and it looks good on a resume, why don't more people join? Can you be rejected from all frats? Is there a standard they measure who gets to join? Or do frats have their own rules?

[–]IronBallsOfKnowledge 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't speak for all schools, but at mine and most others, there is a period in the beginning of each semester that we call "Rush". Your goal is to recruit new members to your house that will be a good fit. You go out around campus trying to meet as many quality guys as possible and you invite them to your events. We have BBQs, basketball games, sand volleyball, poker nights, and parties on the weekend.

Members keep in touch with the kids they've met and bring them around and introduce them to other members. This process lasts about 4-6 weeks depending which semester and the frat gradually diminishes the potentials until they get the kids they want. The chapter votes on each kid. People will talk about the pros and cons such as if they're smart, social, and get along well with members. We then offer them a bid into our pledging process and it is up to them to accept the bid. Then we get the chance to make sure we know who we're letting in our organization. We didn't haze at all as A) it's too risky these days. No point in losing your house and chapter An B) It really doesn't make better members, it was just tradition that can get out of hand at times.

Can you be rejected from all frats?

Yes you can if you don't get a bid. It's best to find a house that you would fit in well with and get to know those members than bounce around from house to house the whole process. We always tell our kids to go check out other houses too. We may not be their fit, but they can find one with another chapter.

Is there a standard they measure who gets to join?

We look at GPA, if applicable, finances, and just the overall quality of the kid. My house was the most diverse on campus in terms of race and types of person. We had indians, black, hispanic, and white kids, athletes, potheads, gamers, and some theater kids in our house, but we all melded well under the values of our creed.

If they do some good work, and it looks good on a resume, why don't more people join?

I'd argue the biggest reasons are a) stereotypes. Coming out of high school most kids probably think all fraternities are full of the jocky douchebag type and as you can see in this thread, a lot of people don't actually know much of anything about greek life other than partying. There 100% are those houses out there though that live up to that stereotype.

B. Finances. It can be expensive depending which chapter you join. Some cost a lot more than others depending on exclusivity, alumni, housing, and members. Some aren't that expensive at all and are well worth it, but some can be expensive.

C. It's just not for them. Some people would rather live by themselves than in a house with 40 other guys and thats understandable. Some people aren't interested in partying and going to different social events. Some people aren't very social and enjoy their alone time. There are many reasons why they don't want to join greek life, but it's understandable. There were times I wish I lived on my own when trying to sleep or study at home opposed to having to find somewhere else. But I never regretted it. It was the best of times.

[–]guess_twat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was the best of times.

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.....

Outside of my frat I dont keep in touch with anyone I met at college. I still talk to just about everyone who was in my frat and we usually try to get together once a year and tell old "war" stories. Its amazing how you think you know everything that went on while you were there but 10 years later someone always comes up with a story or a bit of gossip that you had never heard.

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    [–]GoonCommaThe 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Networking, leadership, philanthropy, networking. If you're in a frat that isn't just about partying, it can look quite good. Hell, you could be in a party frat and it could still look good if the person hiring you was in the same frat.

    [–]tonicandgin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Many chapters go to great lengths to maintain the facade that they are an upstanding group of community members with scholastic and philanthropic dispositions. Others work really hard to genuinely meet that goal. Most fall in the middle.

    [–]PIP_SHORT -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    This is how the world of the 1% works. If you're on the team you get carried along, no matter how much of a fuck up you are. If your dad was president, you might even become president yourself someday.

    [–]GoonCommaThe 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    That has absolutely nothing to do with the 1%. Connections are beneficial in every field and at every income level. Quit the bullshit and stop trying to turn this into a "rich people are awful" circlejerk.

    [–]yourthirdbestfriend -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Connections are great for the person getting connected, but not always good for field.

    [–]thebace 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Exactly. Using a connection implies that you wouldnt be chosen on merit alone. The field suffers unless the best candidate is chosen.

    [–]Rajion 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Many are professional organizations that excel in networking and do not have the reputation of partying in the professional world. If you can point out events you did, you are golden.

    [–]amishjim 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Only if you want them to know you're a rapist.

    [–]bigassbertha 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    In case the hiring manager was in the greek system. As a hiring manager that loathes the greek scene, frat on resume = no interview.

    [–]Jerlko 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Also there might be someone from the same frat where you're applying. Brotherhood and all that.

    [–]tetsoushima 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My first employer was very impressed with my ability to do the marshmallow run, the ookie cookie, and swordfights.

    [–]miketheman1588 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My fraternity appears on my resume because I was the vice president of public relations. A lot of that job involved emailing and calling administrators and alumni, working with them extensively, and getting what I needed out of them. I also spent a considerable amount of time planning service and philanthropy events, managing social media accounts, and short and long term planning for the fraternity as a whole. I think it's pretty obvious why I would want a potential employer to know about these skills.

    [–]fryzoid -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Leadership section

    [–]Bazzzaa 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Hahahahahah. Leadership

    [–]Assh0le_Comments -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Proving you know nothing about the Greek system.

    [–]Bazzzaa 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    After 5 years in the Marines, many years crewing large sailboats, and leading SCUBA dives I stand in judgement of what is considered to be leadership in the frat system in universities.

    The only societies I respected during my university years were honors societies where admission was based on merit and not beer pong.

    Anyone pledging these organizations should watch this video and see the pack mentality in action.

    [–]nefastus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Does it mean anything to people? When I read "president of Alpha Sigma Sigma", I think "threw some parties."

    [–]PM_ME_UR_JUGZ 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Well there's a lot going on, not just throwing parties. Like I was treasurer, so I rounded up all the money for throwing the parties.

    [–]Lionel-Richie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Guys he's being facetious, hold off on the down votes

    [–]PM_ME_UR_JUGZ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you

    [–]flaminglips 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    In reality, nobody gives a shit if someone was in a frat unless they happen to be from that same frat.

    [–]maracay1999 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    A lot more to fraternities than just throwing parties.

    Leading a 100+ member organization is definitely notable enough to put on a resume.

    [–]nefastus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Leading a 100+ member organization is definitely notable enough to put on a resume.

    How much "leading" is actually involved, though?

    [–]maracay1999 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Plenty of leading and work to be done in any large college organization. My chapter had 120+ members. Plenty to do when you're managing that many people.

    Fraternities are more than just partying; and hell, even if they were just for partying, coordinating the logistics for these parties is it's own job by itself ("Social Chair" for most fraternities).

    [–]nefastus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I think you're bullshitting me, because you're not listing actions, you're listing the number of people on your email list.

    [–]maracay1999 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Bullshitting you? How exactly?

    Do I really need to give you a full page of single-spaced bullet points detailing a fraternity president's weekly duties to prove my original statement that being the leader of a large organization is hard work?

    You're being facetious in failing to believe me when I say leading a fraternity is work, since from your initial comment, you seem to believe all the president would do is organize parties (that's the social chairman's job, if we're being picky here)

    If we were talking about a campus community outreach club, or the campus programming club, I'm sure you can think of a couple choice tasks that the presidents of these organizations have to do on a regular basis to keep their groups running, and how that would make them look good in the eyes of a recruiter (and if you can't, you've probably never led anything in your life, no offence whatsoever). Well then, extrapolate those tasks to a greek organization.

    A president doesn't just organize the parties like you presume. The President leads the organization aka making the executive decisions when it comes to:

    member recruitment, new member education, philanthropic events, being the delegate between the local organization and the national organization, being delegate of the organization to the unversity, and literally all other things that fit under the umbrella term leadership.

    So, that enough bullshit for you man?

    [–]nefastus -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah

    [–]joey_dh -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because in America, being willing to have someone shit in your mouth, while singing racist and sexist chants, while 20 people beat you with paddles in an initiation ritual is considered a good thing in the eyes of prospective employers

    [–]FluffyDumplet -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    To let your future boss know you give a hardy blowjob.

    [–]PIP_SHORT -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Because if the person hiring you went to the same fraternity, you'll get the job over more qualified people. It's why people join the Freemasons and it's one of the ways in which powerful people retain their power over the lower classes.

    [–]GoonCommaThe 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    one of the ways in which powerful people retain their power over the lower classes.

    Holy shit dude, stop trying to turn everything into "rich people suck". You can be in a fraternity without being rich. You can get a job without being in a fraternity. You seem to want to hate rich people and don't seem to care about the facts in doing so.

    [–]PIP_SHORT -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Nepotism is one of the ways in which powerful people maintain their power. Are you suggesting this isn't so?

    And this is evidence to you that I hate rich people? Also you are able to ascertain that I don't care about facts? Would you like me to post some facts about wealthy people and nepotism?

    [–]GoonCommaThe 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Nepotism is one of the ways in which powerful people maintain their power. Are you suggesting this isn't so?

    It has jack shit to do with power or wealth. Nepotism occurs in every single field. You just choose to believe it only happens with rich people because you want to hate on them.

    And this is evidence to you that I hate rich people?

    The fact that you're making huge leaps to try to turn everything into a rant about the 1% seems to say so.

    Also you are able to ascertain that I don't care about facts?

    Judging by your huge leaps in logic, you don't seem to give a damn about reasonable arguments or evidence.

    Would you like me to post some facts about wealthy people and nepotism?

    I already know that you'll post highly biased sources that rag on people richer than you, so not really. People with shitty arguments are boring.

    [–]PIP_SHORT -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You already know what I'll post? So what you're saying is, you're pre-judging my potential response.

    Why would I carry on a conversation with someone who has literally told me they are prejudiced?

    Good luck in life.

    [–]Teddie1056 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would add leadership positions in the frat.

    [–]MalakaiRey -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because your interviewer might say: "Oh you're a Sig?! (loosens tie and drops professional demeanor) Braaaah why didn't you say something?! Say, you wanna butt chug some everclear and chase some Cherokee chicks down the trail of beers?"

    I imagine that's how that would go.

    [–]beerham -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't know, you might as well put "Douchebag" on your resume.