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/r/DBZ Moving Forward. (self.dbz)

Krillin が 投稿

We recently had a topic posted here about the username of one of our moderators that sparked intense debate.

The handling of the situation could have been done a little better and had I been more involved in this sub like I should be it would have been approached a lot better, so for that I truly apologize to not only all the users but the moderation team as well.

The comments and views on both sides got a little too heated and really at the end of the day it doesn't have a place on an anime subreddit. It's a sensitive subject and if someone wants to keep the dialogue going about it feel free to do so on another sub or you can inbox me your complaints as some of you already are want to do.

I'm personally taking it upon myself to end this right here right now.

Moving forward, all posts not related to Dragon Ball will be removed and this place will return to normalcy.

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[–]Jaywob [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately I don't think this place can return back to normalcy. A lot of people saw that post and there's no denying that the way it was handled was immature.

If I ever had a problem with another user and decided to take it up with a mod , I wouldn't like it if I knew that they were laughing at my concern.

Different people react to different things and I think it's important to remember everyone's different rather than mocking them.

[–]jaxspider [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

What about the issue with a certain mod's username?

/r/subredditdrama is getting restless.

[–]DogInAPostOffice [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I saw a comment by u/JACKSONofSPADES in the other thread that said he didn't think people would be driven away by this. While I respect the nuance and thought in that comment--more than in almost all comments in this thread and certainly the mods' positions--I must disagree.

People will be driven away--I've already seen a few who have un-subbed, and now on this new thread the mods are threatening to delete non-DBZ related content. The word is hateful and hurtful, and so are anything the mods post under that name--the defense of the name by prominent members of the community only makes the exclusion more painful.

To me, this may be the saddest part. For those users like me--who love DBZ as I do, AND who feel uncomfortable and hurt to be a part of a subreddit that promotes and stands by hate and exclusion like this, the racist name and post hurt in two ways (the first obviously being racism).

To know that the mods, and so many users of this community--which is supposed to be knit together by a shared love--would miss this racist name more than they would miss the users like me, whom the name and post have driven out of the community, makes me feel un-valued here, which sucks. Ideally, everyone would have a place where they feel valued simply for taking part in the shared love for DBZ, but that is no longer the case, and it seems our mods' [completely misguided] pride is more precious than the users.

Plus, to remove posts that deal with this--in effect silencing dissent of racism in this community--is to side with power.

I'm putting this comment in a couple places because I hope people will read it.

[–]PresidentTylerDurden [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

The way you mods handled and mocked the users of the subreddit has left a smudge on you're administration skills. This has shown me and many other users that you cannot be taken seriously.

Step down. And let others take over

[–]Funk2929 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I second this. I really don't want to leave this subreddit, I'd prefer to have more involvement with this community even to the point of being a moderator myself.

[–]Chronicthehedgebong [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Same here. /r/dbz and Kanzenshuu are the only two DB forums I go to. I'd hate to cut this one off, but, if the moderators just laugh at the community's concerns, I might just.

That being said I really like this sub, and would be glad if this sub could go back to normal/reach new heights. Whether that means name change/new mods/other types of consequences.

[–]shitpostwhisperer [非表示スコア]  (14子コメント)

If you wanted to end this you could have the edgy user mod on an alt. Instead you and your mod team decided acting like children laughing at a naughty word was hilarious enough to agonize your community. Way to go..

[–]dickfacebuttnuts [非表示スコア]  (13子コメント)

i'm sure it's just a coincidence that he's the only one allowed a Mr. Popo flair!

nothing racist happening on this sub /s

[–]Melkath [非表示スコア]  (12子コメント)

Everyone, this is just the week after trending.

Subreddits are little corners for teenagers to be racist and immature, then the subreddits trend, the mods get all full of themselves and make complete asses out of themselves, then the high from the trending wears off and they just want it to be over, so they delete everything and act like it never happened.

DBZ and the mods of /r/dbz have always been racist. We just aren't supposed to talk about it, even when one of the mods stickies a racial slur to the top of the subreddit.

Stop expecting ModCaleb and fatnigger69 to be dealt with. Just act like it never happened.

[–]Krillin[S] [非表示スコア]  (11子コメント)

I think it's unfair to call me racist but you're entitled to that.

I've never done anything to disparage anyone on this sub, I even sided with all of you against the method of the post. The subject never needed to be stickied, it shouldn't have been sarcastic and mocking and the title in general was in poor taste since it plastered the word nigger on the top of the page for everyone to see. I honestly and sincerely had no part of that.

I know my hoping this will all go away is a foolish dream but I don't want to hate coming onto a subreddit for something I love, so I do sympathize with those who don't want to see the username, but I'm not going to let a word keep me from enjoying this place.

I found the /r/subredditddrama post and responded over there as well. I'm not going to entertain this any further on /r/dbz and I'd ask the courtesy of you all doing the same. This is a stain on this place and I'm willing to work with you all to make it right.

[–]shitpostwhisperer [非表示スコア]  (9子コメント)

You may not be a racist but you're sure as hell supporting it. Not much better.

[–]Krillin[S] [非表示スコア]  (8子コメント)

I value your opinion.

What is the right course of action to make this all right? I admit I logged in and walked into a shit storm that wasn't in any part my creation and I'm kinda stuck here holding the mop wondering what the hell I'm supposed to do.

[–]noonecaresreddit [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You want to apologize for what occurred today? Make the mod with a damn racial slur in his name use a different one. And remove the mod that was idiotic enough to make that last post, that insulted the users for getting offended by a racial slur. Otherwise take the damage you brought upon yourselves and be happy with all the racist apologists you either attracted or made feel right at home.

[–]katakoon [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

I'm really not trying to be shitty, but this is sort of bullshit.

Looking at your post history, you posted in that self.post last night, you even specifically say, "Y'all leave my nigga alone." regarding the whole situation. I can only assume you also knew what the content of the self.post was, then?

Basically, there are people who love DBZ who now feel like they're not as welcome as the rest of us. There is a mod with a very common racist slur in his username. Is that really the sort of environment you want to be putting out there when you're trying to get people from all over the place to discuss their love for DBZ? Can you honestly not see how that could be an issue?

For some reason, the mods thought it was a good idea to post and sticky about it, and it's hard to believe it was totally innocent. There is just a baffling lack of empathy and reason.

Or sweep it under the rug, I don't really care. It's not my subreddit. The mods don't care, the admins can't do anything, and obviously you have a significant chunk of your subscriber base who don't mind the racial slur being posted everywhere, and even support it (that is why his name was changed back, right?). I was hoping to get back into DBZ after playing some Xenoverse, but if this is what the community is like now, fuck that.

Also, if there any particular reason why fatnigger69 is the only one who can use Mr. Popo flair? Because that seems pretty weird, too.

edit: a word

[–]Chronicthehedgebong [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

If you want a good place to discuss Xenoverse, Kanzenshuu's video game section on their forum is fantastic. It's a very diverse community, and it's modded very well.

[–]katakoon [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Cool, I'm going to check it out! Thanks!

[–]shitpostwhisperer [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Why can't the guy just mod on an alt again? That's not going to be enough for a lot of people now that the mod in question and some other mods lashed out at the community like edgy kids but at least you can remove the name from the sidebar of a dbz sub..

[–]Krillin[S] [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I will bring this up tonight when he's on. I can do a cosmetic change in the CSS where his name could be changed but he retains his username but I don't know if that's really enough.

[–]shitpostwhisperer [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Frankly, anything is better than pretending this didn't happen and leaving it at that.

[–]Chronicthehedgebong [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I agree.

I value what the mods in question have done for this sub in the past, but, quite frankly, they fucked up. Apologies or some other form of action, that doesn't try to ignore what happened, needs to happen to even begin rebuilding this sub.

[–]Melkath [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

No, your fellow mod has made that his namesake, and your other fellow mod put it on blast and shared his support of it.

Im chiefly calling ModCaleb and fatnigger69 racists, but the more you defend them and shield them from consequence, the more you put yourself in the racist camp.

And FYI, nigger is still on the top page for everyone to see, it is still in poor taste, and it is still there.

I share youre enjoyment of DBZ, and thanks to ModCaleb, now I cant come to this subreddit without thinking about his username along with the racist username both still sitting there, unaltered, completely free of any consequence for this debacle.

That is wrong, and because of that, now the harboring of a racist and 2 racist sympathizers has soured what I came here to enjoy.

Happy you can play into a delusional selective memory and keep enjoying your sub. Your conduct and lack of action have taken that from me.

If you are willing to work with us, de-mod ModCaleb as he violated the first rule of this subreddit using a mod account and a sticky. Then kindly ask Mr. Fatnigger to use an alias. Ill be shocked if he insists his right to call himself Fatnigger after this.

If you continue to do nothing but say you want to make it right, while silencing dissent in your subreddit and keeping "fatnigger69" proudly displayed on your sidebar... well... I guess your true colors are shown.

[–]Melkath [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

So is it just "delete all of the conversation that was had and try to act like it never happened" time?

Because ModCaleb made it a big deal, and fatnigger69 is still displaying in my sidebar.

[–]Krillin[S] [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

I'm not demodding the guy because people dislike his username, I personally dislike his username but I don't judge people based on their outward appearance but rather the content of their character.

I'm not deleting the conversation like it never happened either, we're moving on because it's not something that should have been discussed on a Dragonball subreddit. I'll be the first to dissent against the way ModCaleb handled it, I wouldn't have done it that way.

We can continue it on another subreddit if you truly like, I have no problem with that... it might even be linked on /r/subredditdrama for all I know/care but this is not the place for such discussion.

[–]Chronicthehedgebong [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

/r/subredditdrama had some pretty good discussion going on.

[–]Funk2929 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

"Outward appearance"?! It's the most racist thing a person can say and you fob it off like its nothing. As you say, this is not the place to discuss this so, fine. I personally can't look back on this subreddit with any respect now if the mods don't take serious action for highly offensive usernames. Shame on you.

[–]shitpostwhisperer [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Even if you lack the sense to make him switch accounts at least you're nice enough to inform us you'll stand by his racist username despite it being explicitly against your OWN rules so people know not to expect much from you or your mods and can unsub. Dbz is awesome and shouldn't be combined with edgy teenage mods and racist usernames. It's too bad this is your decision.

[–]Melkath [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Im sure it's already in subreddit drama.

To be clear, im not saying to demod him. Im saying to demod his current account, and re-mod "DBZ_MrPopo".

But to be clear, you are sounding very reasonable, covering for 2 of your fellow mods, and trying to make it like it never happened. No consequences whatsoever. No acknowledgement of the feedback from the community your mod goaded out of the community.

We can go to other subreddits and continue to talk, but no action will be taken, and we have to do it outside of the confines of the subreddit it pertains to.

Gotcha.

[–]caduceuz [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I don't want him demodded, I just want the name changed. Is that too much to ask?

[–]Gold_Jacobson [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

We should use the dragonballs to wish everyone to forget about the incident and Majin Buu.

*Edit. Uh oh. The fight is still happening. Who will win in this thread? Find out next time on Dragon ball Z!

[–]ChaosMaestro [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

There are some things even Shenron can't fix, might have something to do with being summoned more in the past 2 decades than ever before since his creation.

[–]Gold_Jacobson [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

"You guys again!?"

[–]Chronicthehedgebong [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Uub: "Shen long, my wish is for you to kill racism!"

Shen long: "That wish exceeds my power."

[–]Firefoxray [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Kinda sad how this sticky has to upvotes

[–]BatBreaker9002 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Uuhh, Goku? Uuhh, who're you ttraining there? That little uhh... different kid....

Whad'ya mean Krillin? Dy'a mean Uub? Is he different because he has Buu's soul?

I am not okay with this Goku!

Tl;dr: /u/Krillin of the Krillpocalypse is racist fag confirmed.

Seriously though, I always though fatnagger69 was referring to himself, and therefore not technically being racist. But then again I can see why people would be offended.

[–]Stormygeddon [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'm just hoping I'll forget about this about a week from now, but I do like /u/fatnigger69, he's very helpful. I'll just wait until it's over. I don't think CSS replacements will be necessary and I don't think "complaints" will stop no matter what you do.

[–]Joaquien [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Is mayonnaise an instrument?

[–]Colder15 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure whether I should up vote or down vote...

[–]Krillin[S] [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Alright, I'm done.

I apologize for the way things went down, I apologize for the stuff I personally said that may have offended people and I promise actions will be taken very soon to rectify the situation. If not I'll just leave this moderation team and let them handle their shit storm by themselves.

[–]noonecaresreddit [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Leaving without answering any of the hard questions and giving nothing but vague "answers." Somehow I don't have confidence this will actually be resolved.

[–]hamzahazam [非表示スコア]  (11子コメント)

Oh krillen , never in the action are ya?

[–]Krillin[S] [非表示スコア]  (10子コメント)

Rarely... someone has to go to work and make the Zenny.

[–]Gold_Jacobson [非表示スコア]  (9子コメント)

This is the prequel to why you became a cop.

[–]shitpostwhisperer [非表示スコア]  (8子コメント)

He'd fit right in with a nice ol boys racist police station with his commitment to ignore racism as long as it's personally convenient.

[–]Gold_Jacobson [非表示スコア]  (7子コメント)

I don't think Krillin will be a racist cop in the new movie...

But, that's just my prediction.

[–]shitpostwhisperer [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

No, he'll just be the old police chief that ignores it coming from his officers/employees when he could stop it at any time.

[–]Gold_Jacobson [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

Nah. Don't think so.

You're trying a little too hard.

[–]shitpostwhisperer [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

I'm not trying anything. It's what's he's doing here as a head mod right now. All we did is change the context to a cop movie. The dude is supporting racist usernames despite racism being against the rules in his own sidebar..

[–]Gold_Jacobson [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

I got what you were going for. It just wasn't a funny or useful parallel.

[–]shitpostwhisperer [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

What about racism is funny enough to ruin a DBZ sub again? And that question is not directed at edgy people that found 4chan almost a decade after its high points.

[–]ganjabobanja[M] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

To our beloved subscribers,

I am much in the same position as /u/Krillin. I just kind of walked into all this. /u/modcaleb acted on his own in response to some complaints we had.

We had a very valid complaint by a user that was deeply and personally affected by the language based on a recent personal experience.

Then, we had a user cry 'racism' when FN69 didn't help the user with pirating the series.

I am speaking as the moderator that has been here for three years now and loves this sub a lot. And take some responsibility as being the one to reach out to FN69 to join our mod team.

And guess what?

Both /u/modcaleb and I found his name unacceptable. (random irrelevant crap about the sub blurred)

And guess what?

FN69 agreed on changing his name. (name he didn't use blurred)

And guess what?

There was a negative reaction by the community. Never did anyone say, "I'm glad you changed your name when you became a mod". It was always "I miss your old name", "Why did you let those other mods mutilate your name?", "You deserve the old name after all the work you do".

So, we let him change back. To which the response was largely, "Glad they let you keep the name".

This negative reaction (outside the random shocked but accepting comments) has only been a recent occurrence in the 4-5 months he's been apart of our moderation team.

It is understandable many people are taking offense to the previous mod post and to FN69's username. It is something we will be discussing between us. We can't fault FN69 in poor choice of username (I am more than guilty of that), but we will be addressing it and /u/modcaleb's behavior.

And let it be clear, we love the Dragon Ball Franchise above all else. However, our beloved series is rife with racist and sexist content. It is our job to provide a safe and welcoming environment to discuss these subjects within the context of the series, its creator, and the cultures that spawned the DB universe as we know it.

I, personally, am sorry for what happened here today. I played no part in it but feel 100% responsible for it by association. If anyone needs to reach out, please feel free to message me privately.

Thank you all.

GBB

[–]ChaosMaestro [非表示スコア]  (10子コメント)

So I looked at the thread to find some context and its like reading an X vs Y forum post populated entirely by angry 13 year olds.

Give some thought to where you are right now, a cartoon forum on a website where you come to burn time and laugh at cat videos. Who gives a flying fuck? This is the internet, /b/ happened, that should tell you all you need to know about giving people anonymity and a place to post with no rules.

I have no opinion on the matter because right now I'm more worried about whether I should cook waffles or roast potatoes with my chicken. Hell I might even add some baked beans.

Someone poke me when this has been forgotten about and we're talking about Dragonball again.

[–]Melkath [非表示スコア]  (9子コメント)

There is a fine line between Reddit and 4Chan.

If you want to be a btard, go to 4chan. At reddit we laugh at people who look like potatoes, but we don't call them niggerfaggots.

[–]ChaosMaestro [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

/b/ back in 2006 is quite the find as a 13 year old, it set the bar high enough that I am incapable of perceiving this situation as anything other than hilarious and petty. you're too late as well, the waffles are already in the oven.

Also your wording has outed you as someone who thinks racism is worse than discriminating against the physically/mentally disabled. Good for you! Its always important to believe in something.

[–]Gold_Jacobson [非表示スコア]  (7子コメント)

but we don't call them niggerfaggots.

Reread the opening posts. That is not allowed. The dilemma is that someone is calling THEMSELF that. Just FYI if you really thought that was allowed.

[–]shitpostwhisperer [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

Oh its not allowed unless it's in the username? Wow -- quite the distinction! That totally changes everything.

[–]ChaosMaestro [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Not that it makes it right but you are aware how easy it is to restrict certain words from being set as usernames? By your logic the Admin overlords of Reddit themselves are racist.

[–]shitpostwhisperer [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

The admins are just trying to make profit off this site. They don't ban ANYTHING unless the national media is involved or the subs in question brigade/harass other subs. The admins are shit -- using them as a scape goat for allowing racist usernames in a dbz sub they don't run is off topic at best silly at worst.

[–]ChaosMaestro [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Don't get me wrong, its just a hunch, but.

Are your jimmies rustled right now?

Note: my attitude should tell you all you need to know my standing in the situation, you clearly think your time is well spent here so I'll leave you to it.

[–]Gold_Jacobson [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

If that's how he describes himself. It is different than calling other commenters that, yes.

[–]shitpostwhisperer [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

It's not about him. That's kind of the point. Even the black community is/has been divided on the word in the past.

[–]Gold_Jacobson [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'm not debating this. I don't care.

But, he says that he is referring to himself, no one else. He can call himself that if he wants, according to the sub. Just as you can swear on yours and not be forced to change it if it offended people.

It is different when talking about yourself versus another poster.

[–]Meskoot [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I still don't see why someone calling themselves a derogatory term is offensive to anyone else, but the person.

Its like my shopkeeper telling me that They think they are a "dick sucking idiot" and then I get offended for calling themselves that.

This only derogates and rates the person and shows how much self appreciation and value they have, so why would I care?

I will still buy my milk from him, because he has been selling milk flawlessly for years to me now, if he has no self respect thats his problem.

But what do I know. Im just a....

Plus didnt the mod tried to use a different username and then he was forced to use the offensive one by the same sub that is now complaining about it?