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SANITY SUNDAY[Sanity Sunday] Fat Acceptance (i.imgur.com)
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[–]lanternsinthesky -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 6 時間 前 (58子コメント)
Not really though, fat acceptance is not pro-bad health, it is more like "hey, maybe shouldn't mock people for their weight, and encourage them to be happy with their looks"... Which btw, is actually the most efficient way to get in better shape. People feeling bad about themselves will not encourage them to become more healthy, mostly it will the complete opposite. And believe it or not, mental health is actually important too.
[–]skadav 31 ポイント32 ポイント33 ポイント 6 時間 前 (21子コメント)
Really? Really? Really?
[–]popwobblesDays since dumb things done: 1 24 ポイント25 ポイント26 ポイント 6 時間 前 (4子コメント)
The guys face in the last one, that is the face of a man stretched to the edge of reason.
[–]BrohemondAnd who are you, the shitlord said, that I must bow so low? 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
He almost drowned in his blood he was biting his tongue so hard.
[–]Boltarrow5 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I could feel the mind numbing rage from here.
[–]greyspattertransfat 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
He looks like the lovechild of Alan Tudyk and Jonny Lee Miller
[–]popwobblesDays since dumb things done: 1 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I think he looks like a "young" Gordon Ramsey.
[–]Vilsetra 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I do think there's such a health focus in our country that I call it Healthism, a kind of moral obligation for people to be healthy and I think that we have to watch that too.
Is she saying that people SHOULDN'T be encouraged to be healthy? Is she seriously saying that?
[–]Buk_lau81Um, shut up 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 5 時間 前 (1子コメント)
What show is this from?
[–]skadav 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Insight: Fat Fighters - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6mMpE8AaA0
[+]lanternsinthesky スコアが基準値未満のコメント-23 ポイント-22 ポイント-21 ポイント 6 時間 前 (12子コメント)
Please actually come up with some reliable sources next time, instead of some pictures taken from a TV show, that has nothing to do with the point i was making.
I am not saying that people should remain unhealthy, however, feeling ashamed and sad about your body is not going to cause someone to become more healthy human being. And even if it did, it would be for all the wrong reasons. Nobody should exercise because they hate their bodies, that is an extremely unhealthy and poisonous attitude.
Yes, everyone can get in better shape, but the best way to improve your life is to have a positive outlook on your life and yourself.
[–]ShiftLeader 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 5 時間 前 (10子コメント)
The reason people hate "fat acceptance" is because it has become synonymous with "being fat is good."
It's not much different than people hating feminism. People don't hate feminism, they hate the "you are a man so you should die idea"
[–]lanternsinthesky -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 4 時間 前 (9子コメント)
It is not the same thing at all, they are two completely different, unrelated issues. Hating a gender is nothing alike believing being fat is good...
Also why was i downvoted? I am completely right here, that guy did not post any reliable or legit sources, they were literally screenshots of a tv show. What the fuck is wrong with you people? Are you psychotic?
[–]ShiftLeader 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4 時間 前 (8子コメント)
You didn't post any reliable or legit sources either.
The concept is the same and that is what you are missing. Feminism is not bad, and neither is fat acceptance.
What feminism and fat acceptance have become is bad. They are twisted and warped versions of movements that claim to be advocating for certain issues but are not.
There are literally "fat acceptance" leaders who tell new members and people looking for guidance and help to ignore what their medical doctor is telling them.
[+]lanternsinthesky スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 4 時間 前 (7子コメント)
I don't need sources, i am working with two basic principles called common sense and basic human decency. You don't need scientific evidence to know that having a positive look on yourself enables you to improve your life. And i know, that can be taken out of context, but you don't need sources to argue that heroin is bad for you either.
And yes, but that same goes for every line of thinking though, somebody always takes it too far and twist it. People on the complete opposite side aren't better, are they?
You can't use the extremes as a way to discuss the entire group, there are blatantly racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic users on TIA, yes? But it is fair to dismiss the whole sub because of them?
[–]ShiftLeader 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 3 時間 前 (4子コメント)
You do know what sub you're on right..?
You're still completely missing the entire point that I've been stressing.
Nobody believes we should ridicule and shame fat people. They believe these people should be encouraged to lead healthy lifestyles.
Now, I will also be working with two basic sources called common sense and basic human decency. I am never going to delude someone into think it is good to be fat. I am never going to encourage unhealthy behaviors whether it be diets that lead to obesity, alcoholism, drug abuse, etc.
I am a Nursing student. I am actually being educated and trained in the proper and scientific ways to go about promoting all health, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, and any of the other misc groups that fall into those.
It is an absolutely horrible idea to coddle people and tell them they're perfect and amazing and shouldn't change a thing because they'll do exactly that, and exactly that is literally killing them.
You wouldn't tell a heroin addict that he's a beautiful person and not to worry about society, you'd respect them as a human being while also advocating for health and telling them drugs are bad and it will be the thing that kills them.
[–]lanternsinthesky -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 2 時間 前 (3子コメント)
I know what sub I am on, does this make it okay for people to be assholes? Are you that much of a fucking bully that you offend those kinds of people? It doesn't matter what fucking sub you're on.
It is not in your place to tell people that they are living unhealthy lifetyles though, if they want to ruin their lives, that is their choice and you should let them.
And i am not talking about coddling people, but they have to feel good about themselves to some degree to be able to make positive life decisions. Depressed people has a tendency no not being able to make those.. and for many overweight people, their mental and physical health are linked together.
[–]ShiftLeader 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
You must have missed the part where I said I was being educated and trained with proven science(which includes mental health mind you), to promote mental, physical, emotional and spiritual health.
It will literally be my job to determine unhealthy facets of a lifestyle and then promote health and provide guidance on how to do so.
It is extremely detrimental to the mindset and behavior of individuals with any types of issues to delude them into believing that their lifestyle is good.
You can 100% tell people that their health is poor and it needs to change without being an asshole or a bully.
I have never once made fun of someone or treated them differently because of their weight. I also have never told anyone they are not allowed to follow the lifestyle they have. However, I also cannot tell them that what they are doing is good, or healthy, or anything of the sort and making them feel good is not going to change anything about their unhealthy lifestyle.
Smiles and hugs and compliments is not going to motivate you to change your lifestyle. Goals, positive reinforcement of those goals, and support behind those goals is going to motivate you.
[–]CelebrityTakeDown 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
So everyone else has to have sources but you? Okay.
[–]lanternsinthesky -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Well it depends, if he had made those claim in a text post, then he wouldn't have. But he did actually provide links to prove his point, but those links weren't really valid.
[–]skadav 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前* (0子コメント)
Society fuelling your insane delusions while you try to drag everyone else to your level isn't the right way either.
http://i.imgur.com/0dx6xDK.jpg - notice the one on the top left that wants gorgeous people to find her attractive but isn't attracted to fat people herself. http://i.imgur.com/m0YbZlA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/S0dbhFp.jpg - delusions http://i.imgur.com/AAJLSwx.jpg - no more delusions http://i.imgur.com/SHFKkId.jpg - delusions http://i.imgur.com/bLZYWdI.jpg - her response to her bullshit getting pointed out
[–]TrueEnt 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Sanity Sunday in the comments too, thank you!
[–]nadiralVapidity 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 5 時間 前 (16子コメント)
But if everyone is happy with their weight, what is the incentive of change? By no means am I advocating bullying, but acceptance is the other extreme that I would not go to.
A friend of mine always asks for advice, but he doesn't actually look for advice, he looks for acceptance, and when one person says it's ok, he disregard all other advice an continue on his terrible lifestyle.
I think obesity should be treated like anorexia, with moderation and support of friend and family. Not with this turning a blind eye on their health issue and complete self delusion that they are happier that way.
[+]lanternsinthesky スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント-11 ポイント 5 時間 前 (15子コメント)
First of, you can be skinny and still live an very unhealthy and destructive lifestyle, too much alcohol, soft drinks, snacks and junkfood is still bad for you even if you're not overweight. Yet nobody is suggesting that we should make those people feel unhappy with themselves as way of encouraging them to be more health conscious.
The thing is that if someone is happy with their look, they will actually be able to look at weight from a health related perspective, instead of worrying about being attractive enough for themselves and other people.
You are also completely missing the point by implying that being overweight is the same as having anorexia. Yes, you can be overweight and have an eating disorder, but not everybody who is skinny got an ED either. If someone is not suffering from a mental illness, then they should not be treated as they do.
What is important is to treat them with respect, if you look down at anyone who is fat, and think that they are delusional, you are not helping out. People aren't idiots simply because they are above their recommended weight.
[–]F7U24Jesus H. Christ-kin (oh/my/godself) 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4 時間 前 (4子コメント)
I like how you intentionally misread "obese" as "overweight" in an attempt to discredit him.
[+]lanternsinthesky スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 4 時間 前 (3子コメント)
But even obesity isn't an eating disorder though. It is you guy who are trying to discredit by a) downvoting me, which is just to silence people with different opinions and views, regardless of the fact that you have no valid reason to do, and b) by completely ignoring the whole substance and instead nitpicking something that can be argued to be wrong or faulty.
You are accusing me of intentionally misreading him, which is not true, yet you completely ignore the point i am making to discredit me. How are you any different?
[–]Zolome1977Trans trust fund baby 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4 時間 前 (2子コメント)
I think that what the op was and intention of most posters here is to discredit those tumblrs that like I said above go onto thisisthinprivilege to talk about how doctors are fatphobic, skinny people are oppressive, chairs are discrimination, those kind of people. I doubt most people here openly judge and harass people.
[–]lanternsinthesky -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Yeah but regardless of those people, my original point still stands... people are more likely to do make positive decisions in their life if they are happy with themselves. Are you guys going to pretend that is not the truth?
[–]skadav 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3 時間 前* (0子コメント)
Why would you strive for anything if you are completely complacent with your current situation? Why would you go to the gym if you are ok with being 60 pounds overweight? Why wouldn't you eat a whole cake by yourself if you like your "rolls" and "jiggles"?
[–]Zolome1977Trans trust fund baby 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Execpt those tumblrs who go on this is thin privilege, complained that skinny women are being oppressive towards them.
[–]lanternsinthesky 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
What on earth are you talking about? That has absolutely nothing to do with that i said. Are you trying to imply that skinny people can't be unhealthy?
[–]alexjuuhh 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
if you look down at anyone who is fat, and think that they are delusional, you are not helping out.
If someone truly believes that being fat is something that should be accepted as healthy, and preaches that "fat = healthy" on their tumblr and twitter then they are delusional and should be shamed for it, imo.
[–]lanternsinthesky -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
But not all fat people believes that though, which is what he was saying.
[–]skadav 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3 時間 前 (5子コメント)
too much alcohol, soft drinks, snacks and junkfood is still bad for you even if you're not overweight
I like how all of the things you listed here ARE ACTUALLY THINGS THAT LEAD TO WEIGHT GAIN!
[–]lanternsinthesky -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 2 時間 前 (4子コメント)
What on earth are you talking about? I never said those things does not lead to weight gain, but rather that they are bad for you regardless of your weight. Why are you lying to make me look bad?
[–]skadav 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (3子コメント)
All of them except alcohol are bad exactly because they lead to weight gain. You are implying that someone can overindulge in those things to the point of bringing harm to their bodies and somehow still remain at a healthy weight.
[–]lanternsinthesky -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Yeah they can, are you shitting with me? I know people who stuff their faces in disgusting food, never work out and still remains skinny.
[–]skadav 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Jeez, maybe it's because they don't fucking stuff their faces when you aren't watching them. Or are you looming over them 24/7? And why do you think it has a detrimental effect on them if they remain skinny?
[–]lanternsinthesky 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Because overweight is not only the health risk that comes along with unhealthy food and drink. Also, i don't watch them 24/7 but i do know some of the eating habits of my friends, especially when they are vocal about it
[–]kugelblitz527TITANS ARE MY TRIGGER 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 5 時間 前 (2子コメント)
It seems as though you're forgetting the Health At Every Size portion of fat acceptance, which is pretty much the majority of it.
[+]lanternsinthesky スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11 ポイント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント 5 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Well weight and health aren't parallels though, yes someone who is overweight is more likely to have certain health issues... but not everybody is equally unhealthy proportionate to their weight either.
And again, you can be normal weight, heck you can be hot as all hell and still be extremely unhealthy. If you consume copious amount of bad food and drinks and a frequent basis, you are still damaging your body.
[–]kugelblitz527TITANS ARE MY TRIGGER 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 5 時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's not what HAES preeches. It started out that way, but it's taken a more extreme view. They take that idea and use it to argue that it's impossible to judge someone's health by their weight, even at the point of morbid obesity. HAES is factually wrong, plain and simple.
The rest of us already know that weight isn't the only determinant of health. HAES advocates just claim that it isn't one at all.
[–]thataintforkids 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Finally someone says it. I'm not pro-obesity because I'm pro-not-treating-people-like-shit-and-without-respect-for-something-that-doesn't-concern-you.
[–]flegmaattinen 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Eh, the problem is that fat acceptance has a bunch of idiots who keep coming up because they are idiots and people like to laugh at them ( like the people in the screenshots posted by /u/skadav ).
I rather wouldn't subscribe so much to "fat acceptance" but rather body positivity.
[–]DeschainDuGileadThe SJW fled across the desert, and the punslinger followed. 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (12子コメント)
No, fuck you as well. Stop enabling the fat bastards, they need to lose weight and coddling them is not the way to do it. Fatties need to either get in shape or they'll die to their own hubris.
[–]flegmaattinen -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
So edgy XD
[–]lanternsinthesky -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 4 時間 前 (10子コメント)
First of, no... Everyone deserves to be happy, nobody should feel about their looks, even if they are working out, they should not hate themselves until they become skinny. Also, like i have said countless times, fat shaming is counter productive, it discourages people from getting in shape.
The things you guys are either denying or forgetting is that fat people are judged regardless of what they do. Either they are trying too hard, or they are fat and lazy and stupid. Either way nobody is happy.
[–]DeschainDuGileadThe SJW fled across the desert, and the punslinger followed. 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3 時間 前 (9子コメント)
Everyone deserves to be happy,
Idealism will get you nowhere.
Also, like i have said countless times, fat shaming is counter productive, it discourages people from getting in shape.
Not everyone, being ashamed of how I look got me to work out and get in shape, same as a lot of people
Either way nobody is happy.
So what? Happiness is overrated.
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[–]DeschainDuGileadThe SJW fled across the desert, and the punslinger followed. 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I am happy, but I don't think everyone deserves or needs it. I used to be unhappy, I worked out and got fit and happy, if other people aren't willing to work to not be fat then they don't deserve to be happy.
[–]lanternsinthesky -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 3 時間 前 (5子コメント)
Idealism will get you nowhere? So what, learn to be a fucking decent human being, treat people with respect. Happiness is overrated? Oh yes, because you think you should get in the way other people wanting to be happy, because that makes sense.
Still not the only way though? I know many people who have told me the complete opposite, so it clearly doesn't work for everyone. And that should be incentive enough for you to not support it
[–]DeschainDuGileadThe SJW fled across the desert, and the punslinger followed. -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 3 時間 前 (4子コメント)
And that should be incentive enough for you to not support it
Well it's not. Get cracking and lose the weight chubs, we all know why you're here defending the piggies.
[–]lanternsinthesky -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2 時間 前 (3子コメント)
I am not overweight at all...
[–]DeschainDuGileadThe SJW fled across the desert, and the punslinger followed. 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
No, you're just desperate to defend the shitty lifestyle that people have. Of course you're not fat... nope.
[–]lanternsinthesky 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I don't think... do you know people? Like are you in some kind of contact with the outside world? You know that you can defend people that is not like yourself, right?
[–]DeschainDuGileadThe SJW fled across the desert, and the punslinger followed. 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 57 分 前 (0子コメント)
Some people don't deserve defending, fatties, smokers and arseholes on public transport.
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