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Proposal: Ban /u/reaganveg for trolling. (self.metanarchism)

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[–]Capn_Blackbeard 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (70子コメント)

As of this post, here are the totals (unless I missed one)

Edit: added one more oppose

Second Edit: The proposal for time duration on proposals didn't pass so I'm not sure how long this needs to stay open but the fact is right now the majority feels that reaganveg should not be banned for trolling. Even if the vote totals shifted (and it seems very unlikely they will shift to the point where supports outnumber opposes by twice as much as per guidelines) the fact would remain that a large percentage of the community doesn't see reaganveg's actions as inhibiting process and that is really all that matters.

In my opinion, there is no basis for a block even if we wait three more days.

Oppose (18)

  • AutumnLeavesCascade
  • sync0pate
  • Liber-TEA
  • darlantan
  • GTnicholas
  • Buffalo__Buffalo
  • rebelsdarklaughter
  • a_pale_horse
  • TheRummy
  • Min_thamee
  • burtzev
  • ravia
  • Paczilla
  • WrenBoy per this has no history in @
  • lLurch according to this they have exactly two contributions in @
  • Hannibal_Lecturer
  • YesImVegan
  • RednBlackSalamander
  • APartOfSomething
  • comradeoneff

Support (15)

  • flaxrabbit
  • Indignantary
  • SafetyJoe
  • boilerpunx
  • pistachioshell
  • Capn_Blackbeard
  • needstrangersadvice
  • DurianMD
  • Laktos11
  • -Enkara-
  • Cosmic_Insurrection
  • The_Mermaid
  • Quietuus
  • ykmt_knpk
  • Newbunkle

[–]AutumnLeavesCascade 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

YesImVegan

Account too new to vote.

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    [–]-Enkara- 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Eww

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          [–]Capn_Blackbeard -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Being assholes doesn't make their votes not count. (but I remember that thread and it makes me shudder even now.)

          [–]lilit_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          tbh I'm not sure we should welcome probable pedophiles and their apologists, in which case they wouldn't count.

          Tho that wasn't really my point. I have no faith that anything would be done even if the vote passed

          [–]Capn_Blackbeard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I don't think we should welcome that kind of shit either. Make a proposal and I will support the hell out of it.

          I think if the vote to ban reaganveg passed it will be close enough to trigger immediate calls for a ban review which will call forth a whole new shitstorm and this whole thing will drag on for at least a month.

          [–]lilit_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          p much

          [–]WrenBoy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          The flaw with the method you have chosen to falsely conclude I have no history here is at the bottom of every post that bot makes.

          It obviously makes no difference to the tally but its still somewhat annoying.

          [–]Capn_Blackbeard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          If you haven't participated in meta or @ in months, by what standard are you someone who "has an interest in the well-being of the community?"

          [–]WrenBoy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Why else would I vote? Seriously.

          As it happens I haven't posted in a couple of months and haven't voted regularly in some time. I would participate more regularly if there were less spiteful behavior. That doesn't mean I have no interest in the community. I would be genuinely happy to see more comradeship and less division here.

          Don't count my vote if you like but at least give the actual reason you are not including it, ie "has not posted here recently".

          [–]reaganveg -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Would you reject RosieLalala's vote?

          [–]Vindalfr[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I would.

          [–]reaganveg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          /u/capn_blackbeard can I get your answer please?

          [–]Capn_Blackbeard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Fuck off, reaganveg

          [–]reaganveg -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          You refuse to answer this simple direct question about what you as a moderator will accept as a vote?

          [–]Capn_Blackbeard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I refuse to deal with you. I extended you an olive branch and the very first thing you did was attack me.

          I think you are a troll and a fucking asshole. I will have absolutely nothing more to do with you. If you need a mod for something, you have about 19 others to choose from.

          [–]reaganveg -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I refuse to deal with you. I extended you an olive branch and the very first thing you did was attack me.

          Where did I attack you??

          Even if I had, though, your position behooves you to answer such simple questions regardless of who poses them. You've declined to count the vote of someone here, who has objected.

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            [–]AutumnLeavesCascade 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            min_ had messages mods about changing over accounts, and isn't banned; they're not a sock and not evading anything, they're pretty damn obvious. buffalo and Liber-TEA are /r/anarchism participants (the latter is no longer an "an"cap btw). YesImVegan we already responded to being ineligible. Lurch, Wren, and Rummy I can't speak to.

            [–]TheRummy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I have participated in this sub, but less lately because I don't like the environment as much.

            [–]Capn_Blackbeard -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (44子コメント)

            You do see where /u/ILurch is crossed out, right?

            /u/Liber-TEA has been a participant in @ for a while now which makes them eligible to vote in meta.

            /u/Buffalo_Buffalo has commented in @ as recently as a few days ago

            I don't know if it was ever decided that Min_Dami was banned but in any case, Min_thamee isn't a sock because it is now their sole account and it is clear who they are. Socks are used to evade.

            EDIT: for to add that while /u/YesImVegan is new, the proposal for defining voting eligibility didn't pass so their newness is irrelevant. By their own admission, they have been here under a different name and whether or not that account was ever banned is also irrelevant because under this name they have done nothing to even warrant a warning.

            I'm too tired to wade through months of comments from /u/WrenBoy and /u/TheRummy to see if they participate in @ but just invoke the reactionarybot and see for yourself.

            [–]Laktos11 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            /u/isreactionary_bot WrenBoy

            [–]Laktos11 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            /u/isreactionary_bot TheRummy

            [–]isreactionary_bot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            /u/TheRummy post history contains participation in the following subreddits:

            /r/Anarchism: 3 posts (1, 2, 3), combined score: 62; 88 comments (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8), combined score: 367.

            /r/Anarchy101: 3 posts (1, 2, 3), combined score: 33; 2 comments (1, 2), combined score: 8.

            /r/metanarchism: 41 comments (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8), combined score: 103.

            /r/MensRights: 1 comment (1), combined score: 1.

            I'm a bot. Only the past 1,000 comments are fetched.

            [–]TheRummy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            What does this mean?

            [–]Laktos11 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            At least one user was disputing that you were an active user of /r/Anarchism and thus not eligible to vote on proposals.

            I used isreactionary_bot to quickly find out whether you were eligible or not.

            Just to clarify, I was not making any sort of accusation of you being a reactionary.

            [–]TheRummy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            OK thanks, that's a useful bot. I haven't been very active lately though, but I appreciate the explanation.

            [–]isreactionary_bot 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            /u/WrenBoy post history contains participation in the following subreddits:

            /r/metanarchism: 2 comments (1, 2), combined score: 2.

            I'm a bot. Only the past 1,000 comments are fetched.

            [–]-Enkara- 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (17子コメント)

            EDIT: for to add that while /u/YesImVegan is new, the proposal for defining voting eligibility didn't pass so their newness is irrelevant. By their own admission, they have been here under a different name and whether or not that account was ever banned is also irrelevant because under this name they have done nothing to even warrant a warning.

            Well shit, if it's like that I could just make 50 new socks to vote for the lulz.

            [–]Capn_Blackbeard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

            Honestly? I guess you could.

            If the people here don't give enough of a shit about crafting guidelines until it bites them in the ass for a ban proposal they really want passed, they have nobody to blame but themselves.

            [–]-Enkara- 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            Damn,.. Or we could just say in the absence of clear voted upon process then it's mod discretion, which seems to be how everything else works.

            I don't see why 'having no established process' must mean we automatically default to the stupidest possible outcome.

            [–]Capn_Blackbeard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            The problem with mod discretion for votes is that they are so subjective they will ultimately lead to review proposals and everything will grind to a halt.

            It really shouldn't be that difficult to get a proposal passed on the required age of an account to vote. I don't understand why people would rather argue about what it should be instead of just getting the fucking thing done.

            [–]-Enkara- 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            We could just say it's two (or whatever number) months and if anyone doesn't like it they can start a proposal of their own, and it's a simple majority proposal since we got all arbitrary about it.

            [–]Capn_Blackbeard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I will create a proposal right now.

            Here it is.

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              [–]Capn_Blackbeard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              I say this from the bottom of my soul: go fuck yourself, sock.

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                [–]Laktos11 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I share a lot of your anger at the core of voters that defend bigotry in an anarchist space on the grounds of "muh freezed peaches". Like the embarassing ratio of men to women in the latest /r/@ survey doesn't really surprise me in light of the continuing persistence of reactionary defenders like min and reaganveg.

                But to put Blackbeard in that camp is absurd and totally unfair. They're one of the most consistently anti-bigotry posters and just generally solid comrade I've seen on /r/@.

                [–]Capn_Blackbeard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Fuck off

                [–]-Enkara- -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I don't think so, I just blame the recent process fetishism in meta.

                [–]Hannibal_Lecturer -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Well, /u/viennoiserie who supported your mod proposal has a total of 7 posts in their entire reddit history over the span of the few weeks they were active and hasn't been active ever since they voted for you. On top of the two deleted accounts on of whom was a few days old at the time of the vote if memory serves of course.

                [–]viennoiserie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I'm actually not anyone else? I just don't use reddit that often because it's awful. I mean, there's no way to prove this, sooooo - idk? I am legitimately not Enkara or anyone else, and you're not likely to believe me, and I don't know what else to say.

                [–]viennoiserie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I have had two earlier accounts, one after the other, neither active in the last few months, they were both shadowbanned and had similarly sparse commenting, neither participated in r/anarchism. I did get 20 points for a comment in an srs prime comment thread once so that was nice

                (I figured out what else to say)

                [–]reaganveg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Good on you for checking into this.

                [–][deleted] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                For the record, I wasn't banned :)

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                  [–]Capn_Blackbeard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                  Are you fucking kidding me with this? You are a sock and you are telling me which votes I can and can't count?

                  Find the thread where Min was banned. If you want to hold account to a standard of newness, get a proposal passed. The last one didn't so I don't care how new an account is. I care whether or not they are participants of @.

                  As I said, run the reactionary bot if you want to prove that WrenBoy has never posted in @ but I'm not wading through their entire history for you.

                  [–]Min_thamee 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                  Are you fucking kidding me with this? You are a sock and you are telling me which votes I can and can't count?

                  OMG I'm dying.

                  Voters for any proposal need at least two months btw, unless they can prove they were an older account.

                  Also I don't like how these ban threads are structured as simple majority. Should be 2/3rds to pass really, otherwise you're really putting it down to the odd person to have a deciding vote.

                  [–]Capn_Blackbeard -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                  Consensus states "there must be two times the number of support votes as there are oppose votes." It is more than a simple majority.

                  As for length of time to vote, no proposal ever passed for that. If you think two months should be the marker, get a proposal passed.

                  [–]Min_thamee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  In the last moderator elections lots of votes were discounted because they were too new. It's a recognised rule and is neccessary to stop someone just making an army of sockpuppets and passing whatever they want.

                  [–]Capn_Blackbeard -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  It's a recognised rule

                  Where is this rule written? Where was the vote?

                  and is neccessary to stop someone just making an army of sockpuppets and passing whatever they want.

                  I don't disagree but if you want this to be the rule, get a proposal passed.

                  [–]Vindalfr[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  The vote is buried in one of the early threads from the birth of this sub. Before my time or the time of most of the people here. Sorry I can find a link, but I can confirm that it has been a convention for some time now.

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                    [–]Capn_Blackbeard -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    You're seriously going to try and lecture me about process when you don't even know about the process.

                    A) there is a link right there. B) here is the original thread.

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                      [–]Capn_Blackbeard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      I will ask you once again, find the threads where the "socks" were banned otherwise why should I or anyone else give a shit? Everyone knows who Min is and they aren't using multiple accounts.

                      It doesn't matter that you aren't voting with this account: you created an account with the express purpose of influencing the vote...the very thing you claim reaganveg is doing by contacting people to vote in the ban thread. Why is it acceptable when you do it?

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                        [–]Capn_Blackbeard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        How many times am I going to have to ask before you show me the ban thread.

                        You'll have to excuse me if I need something more concrete than the angry ravings of an hour old single purpose sock.

                        [–]WrenBoy -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I think my first post on reddit was to /r/anarchism. Who are you to say my vote doesn't count. What kind of paranoid weirdo makes such baseless claims?

                        You I guess.