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    Tinder doesn't need to limit users over 30. It needs to limit creeps

    Jess Zimmerman
    Jess Zimmerman
    Women who online date and try to draw boundaries get sneered at for being choosy or just find that those boundaries are ignored
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    Maybe it’s love. Or maybe its Tinder. Photograph: Tetra Images
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    Dating app Tinder has a new feature, Tinder Plus, that addresses some user complaints about the service – notably, Tinder Plus will let you undo a mistaken “swipe left” that accidentally deposits a desirable profile in your “never show me this again” pile. But be warned: if you’re 30 or over, subscribing to Tinder Plus will cost you twice as much as it does for the under-30 set.
    Tinder’s explanation is, essentially, that twentysomethings won’t pay as much because they don’t have as much money. That’s plausible enough – but I can’t help thinking that there’s an element of “this is no country for old men” at work. Even if there is, as an over-30 I am not especially worked up about this; having seen how older men talk to young women on OkCupid, I can see why there might be an argument for limiting their participation.
    But what we really need isn’t a dating site with fewer (richer) olds. What we need is a dating site with more user control over who we see, and who sees us.
    I probably wouldn’t pay $19.99 a month (the senior anti-discount for Tinder Plus) just for the privilege of getting take-backs on my mistaken swipes. But I’d pay extra to be an over-30 on Tinder if it meant I had an option where under-30s couldn’t interact with me. (No offense, under-30s, but right now I do not want to date you; let’s not waste our time.) Indeed, there’s a whole range of people I’d like to screen from ever seeing my profile in the first place. If you identify as queer, OkCupid has an option to prevent straight people from seeing your profile; why not be able to shield yourself from pro-lifers, or Libertarians or cat-lovers, if that’s the thing you can’t stand?
    If there’s one thing we learned from last week’s battle over dress color, it’s that many people react with anger and fear when faced with genuine epistemic differences – even over something trivial. Often, it’s worth facing down that fear, in order to understand the richness of human experience. But you don’t want to challenge yourself at every moment, in every aspect of your life; if we all did that, we’d spend our days walking around on spikes, pouring hot wax on our sensitive parts and voluntarily trying to build relationships with people who think we’re idiots.
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    And, when it comes to dating, straight women have to do that already.
    If there’s one aspect of your life in which you’d want to shield yourself from unneeded suffering, it’s your love life. Yet women are supposed to accept that looking for dates (online or off) means being exposed to hostility and slime from people you didn’t seek out, and accepting it with a smile because you have to “put yourself out there”. In online dating – and in being online in general – women are supposed to accept harassment as the cost of doing business. But online or off, and certainly when we’re looking to get partnered or laid, we should be able to demand finer control over who can seek us out.
    What we perhaps need is an online dating site that we can customize to match our intentional communities. Call it EchoChambr.
    Away from the keyboard, people are often urged to find soulmates by going to lectures and classes and events that line up with their interests; even the most dedicated bar cruiser would probably choose a joint that attracted like-minded types – a place where she wasn’t likely to feel out of place or awkward or threatened. But online daters who try to draw similar boundaries get sneered at for being choosy or just find that those boundaries are ignored. (Tinder is at least a step up in that you have to evince a tiny amount of interest before people can talk to you, and also in that you can throw their faces away.) You’re supposed to stay open to everything, and if you’re a woman, you’re supposed to accept that this openness means weathering abuse. But frankly, women take enough crap, and dating is already a tender subject; we should be able to limit stress where we can.
    Using pricing to subtly discourage older people from using Tinder (or subtly encourage young ones) is one way to go, if you’re trying to create a particular kind of space. But what online dating really needs is the ability to set up opaque walls. And once we’ve got that ability in place, I wouldn’t mind if we expanded it to the rest of the internet too. Yes, being surrounded by contrarians on the internet can expand our minds, but some people – like women on online dating sites, like people from marginalized groups everywhere every day – have plenty of conflict come looking for them. Sometimes (not all the time, but sometimes) you want to shield yourself from struggle.
    We’ve done a great job making use of the internet as a place to build connections and expand awareness. Now it’s time to start using that processing power to build ourselves some flexible, protective cocoons. If we have the power to screen out the olds, there’s no reason we can’t build it to screen out the creeps.

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    • 0 1
      Creepy: a word some women use when men are nice towards a woman
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      As a senior citizen I protest at this exercise in ageism.
      Note: I have been computer literate for 30+ yrs and using the net since it became generally available. However dating services do not attract me neither does most of the apps that support shallow sociality.
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      I was expecting an article that takes a snide swipe at men and you didn't disappoint!
      Never used a dating site but I can easily imagine creepy men on there. I can just as easily imagine creepy women on there too! Perhaps creepy in a different way but ulterior motives all the same.
      Also sure there are perfectly normal people on these sites to who are genuinely looking for a 'soul mate'.
      Something quite cold about the concept of Internet dating. Feels like it may have all the charm of an Internet shopping experience. Check the profile... Hmmm she seems to have everything I want. Put it in the basket....
      No wonder it attracts creeps, liars and the rest. It seems so detached in concept.
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      The implication is single men get both richer and creepier as they get older.
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      One persons creep is another person's hot date.
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      Tinder Plus will cost you twice as much as it does for the under-30 set.
      Actually, that is not the picture in the UK, where I understand (not that I could consider it, I don't have a FaceBook profile so cannot even try Tinder) the prices are 3.99 ($6) for under 28s and 14.99 ($22.50) for over.
      Plenty of other sites out there - do a search for "With member feeds, video profiles, dating diaries and more, there are plenty of ways to get to know some of our two million members!" and you'll see how one database can be marketed as hundreds / thousands of different sites, some with names suggesting "love and marriage" while others are all about a "quickie"... and many with far from positive description of women in general.
      I don't work for them, but can at least take a glance, and see some of what Tinder perhaps does not yet have - age filtering - so as an older guy, I don't get "winked at" by young women who could almost be grand-daughters (had I been married in the late 70s).
      Sounds like Tinder still needs some work. I can offer my programming expertise, at a price! :)
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    • 1 2
      Caveat Emptor...avoid Social Media, and visit the local Pub, Club, or other Social Hub.
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      Click bait article.
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    • 3 4
      This does not tally with my experience of online dating. Don't reply to someone if they don't seem particularly nice. You can spot the ones that just want to chat, to hook up or be bitter and aggressive a mile away. I got hostility only once from someone who thought it was their business to police my activities despite being told politely I wasn't interested. That's the only time I ever had to block anyone.
      From speaking to my friends of the opposite sex, both genders have their difficulties online - it's not just the blokes.
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      we’d spend our days walking around on spikes, pouring hot wax on our sensitive parts and voluntarily trying to build relationships with people who think we’re idiots.
      And, when it comes to dating, straight women have to do that already.
      Is that your bio then?
      *swipes left*
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      So what happens at the thirty-year theshold? does the restriction mean 29-year-olds can't contact those who are 31?
      Most of the complaints could equally apply to unwanted communications directed at men from harrassing women, who can't take no for an answer either.
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      Maybe Guardian Singles?
      (that still exists, right?)
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      If there’s one thing we learned from last week’s battle over dress color, it’s that many people react with anger and fear when faced with genuine epistemic differences – even over something trivial.
      "Anger and fear".
      Bit over the top?
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      What?
      You mean to say that an app which allows you to make snap judgements on someone based on their appearance attracts a lot of weirdos?
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    • 1 2
      I don't know why anyone uses dating websites. For every 'I found my partner through online dating' story there are hundreds of extremely depressing accounts of how awful the whole experience is. There is clearly a significant number of men who seem to regard online dating sites as catalogues of prostitutes you don't have to pay given the way they behave towards the women they contact and meet. There are also a significant number of men who clearly hate women and use the dating sites to abuse them. It seems that dating sites just highlight the fact that, mostly, men and women want different things and also that online dating won't provide either sex with what they actually want. It all seems like a waste of time and money to me but, hey, it does prove the old adage that sex sells and that online dating is as exploitative as pornography in this respect.
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        Indeed. Though I've never tried it myself all I hear is endless horror stories - mainly from female friends and colleagues who sign up for what they think is a relationship with someone they've met online, and the guy vanishes and never calls back after a shag. Either that or the men are married. This seems to happen a lot.
        Before anyone pounces on me I'm not saying that some women don't behave dreadfully in this way as well. Does seem to be mainly the chaps though.
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        Dating, in general, is a pain. On-line is just another instrument to meet people. And at least everyone on there is actually avaialble...once you get past your late 20's that can be a problem, since the a large percentage of the people you meet socially are already married or coupled up.
        Can it be a nightmare....sure. But no more of a nightmare than meeting someone at a pub, dance, museum, social group, etc.....dating, for a lot of people, just sucks.
        I think your perception that men consider dating sites as catalogs for prostitutes to be a bit off base...but then I have heard men complain on the opposit side that "most women are just looking for a meal ticket". A significant minority of males and females are jerks....but most of us are somewhere in the middle, muddling along and trying to find someone we click with.
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      Try as I might, I will never understand non-asexuals:)
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      epistemic ? .. really??,
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      I'm so glad I missed the whole world of online dating - the fact it hadn't been invented helped of course, there were ads in papers, but they were always considered to be for the odd and desperate. One-night-stands (what they were called before"hooking up") were easy enough to come by by going to a licenced establishment of your choice, student night of course was the easiest, but any Friday or Saturday would be fruitful based on friends' experiences (i married young!) I would recommend people go back to trying this method, based on how many approaches I get wearing a wedding ring, it must be a piece of cake without.
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        Don't be so sure you will not be in it...I thought my marriage would last forever...but divorce or death can end a marriage well before we thought it would.
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      I don't think 'we’ve done a great job making use of the internet as a place to build connections and expand awareness' at all. It has not worked.
      Proclaimed by cyber-utopians as a neo-liberal utopia of infinite choice where everyone can shop, opine, date and satisfy their sexual wishes unimpeded, the internet has become the exact opposite.
      Digital dating/hook-up culture is emblematic of this failure. This is not say that many people have a great deal of success with it, but there is a dark side which can't be conjured away with well-meaning but unrealistic liberal sentiments about controlling it to protect women from creepy and abusive men.
      Like it or not, the internet is made for creepy men. Of course women are going to get hassle and abuse from men who are able to predate with total anonymity and assume any online identity they wish. At least when you meet someone in real life they are exposing themselves to some extent - taking that risk of rejection and hurt. On the internet though everything is opaque, unreal. One can't be certain of anything. You have very little 'user control over who we see, and who sees us' - and even if you do, you are still not necessarily interacting with the nice handsome man of the profile.
      Reducing sexual and romantic interaction to a form of online shopping will primarily benefit men, because they determine the conditions of the transaction. This was true of 'sexual revolution' and it is true of the digital one: rather than men and women freely interacting as sexual equals you have a load of married men or prurient creeps with fake photos predating on women. As if anything else was going to happen.
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      You people should stick closer to church oriented social activities.
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      "And, when it comes to dating, straight women have to do that already."
      Sexist.
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      Hope AARP files an age discrimination lawsuit. Imagine if the grocery store could charge you more just because of your age.
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      If you're looking for a wholesome, productive dating experience then why are you using Tinder? Tinder is aimed precisely at aesthetically obsessed creeps. The 30 plus premium is to profit off the perpetually single pervy men who like to sit around in a pub together rating the local 'talent' on their phones. I know this because I work with them.
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