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About the Brad Wardell thing... (self.GamerGhazi)

spacekatgalBrianna Wu が 投稿

Before I say anything, I want to say unequivocally, Brad Wardell and I are not allies. He's hurt a lot of people. You are correct to be angry at him. I'm sorry if I gave you an impression otherwise.

This is the honest truth about what happened. One day he was slagging me on Twitter. I said to myself, my god is this childish. We are two well-known people in game Dev, and I think it's unprofessional for us to attack each other. I wrote him an email asking if she wanted to have an adult conversation. And he did.

A common allegation made against Brad is that he is a sexual harasser. I have been one of the people that have tweeted about the allegations, which are factual. He's very correctly points out that the case was settled, and it hurts him that the press never really covered that. His reputation has been tarnished because of that.

I don't believe liberals can fight FOX News style. And I think when we get something wrong, you should acknowledge it and apologize for it. I honestly never read any of the stores about the settlement. I apologized, and suggested we have coffee.

We did, he brought to this female employees along who seem to really, really like working at his company. We talked about employee retention, we talked about the need to support mothers.

That's it.

If we were to talk honestly guys, I am battle weary. And to be honest, something I'm trying to do is to get more Gamergaters to see me as a human so they'll stop attacking me.

This is survival. You have no idea how frazzled I am or how close I am to quitting.

I sorry if This hurt the cause. I'm sorry if I messaged this badly. I'm actually hiding out in the back Of the IMGA awards trying to type all this on an iPhone, because I respect you. I am doing my best to make changes here, albeit imperfectly.

I've taken as much fire for this cause as is humanly possible.

I'm sorry if I hurt you, but if were speaking honestly, you guys are hurting me too. If I stay here, expect me to do more diplomacy. If I keep doing this, reaching out and changing minds where I can. This is who I am as a person, and it's not going to change.

I will try to do better on messaging.

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[–]zegotaBeta Mangina White Knight 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for posting this, I really, truly appreciate it. I was one of the people who criticized your original tweets, and while I tried to do so respectfully, I'm very sorry if you were hurt -- and I have no defense for the awful "YOU ARE DEAD TO ME FOREVER NOW" stuff that came from some people. That's not cool.

I absolutely appreciate you meeting with him, and I think listening is something you should continue to do. My issue was what with I inferred as a whitewashing/ignoring of Wardell's history, and I think that comes from a sort of global misunderstanding here. For what it's worth, I'm less concerned with the sexual harassment charge -- as the reality of what happened there is incredibly murky -- and more concerned about what Wardell has done in the wake of GamerGate, specifically the vile things he's said about Zoe Quinn. It felt a little like that was all now water under the bridge because he was personable and charming, without any sort of apology from him, because of a few milquetoast agreements about how to treat employees. (I do think giving parental leave is great, but at the same time, I think it's almost basic human decency, not cause for a parade)

I do hope the discussion leads him, and his followers, to be more civil, both to you and to the other people involved in this mess. I think that's the best conclusion to this. Take care, and if you need to take a break for your health, please do so.

[–]JanvsDislike Collectivist 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If we were to talk honestly guys, I am battle weary. And to be honest, something I'm trying to do is to get more Gamergaters to see me as a human so they'll stop attacking me.

Like I said in the other thread, no one should be under as much scrutiny as you (and Zoe/Randi/Leigh/etc.) have been under. It's impossible to be perfect all the time under a magnifying glass.

I don't think you have to explain yourself, but thanks for doing so anyway.

[–]CrowgirlCKim Crawley 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree. Brianna, I think some people have been too critical of you. Now that I've been targeted by GG, I have some idea of how you may feel.

The emotional rollercoaster: Twitter is a minefield. You've got notifications! Friend or foe? Fuck, twenty people telling me I should kill myself. Block, block, block. Oh, someone actually left me a kind tweet. What a relief! Hundreds of nasty children mocking you, taunting you. They say the nastiest shit... And it hurts. And in my case, I have a meager income now that I'm over with InfoSec Resources. (That's why I need to promote my GoFundMe.) In all of the trauma, it's difficult to know what to do. You would have been criticised either way. Talk to Brad, ignore Brad, you "can't win for losing."

[–]SoLostAgain 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now that I've been targeted by GG

And in my case

That's why I need to promote my

Kim, with respect, have you noticed that in most of your comments and posts, you manage to talk about yourself in the very first breath? Like in this comment here, you could very, very easily sympathize with Brianna without making it about you. Without even mentioning yourself at all.

Even your piece about GG was more about you than about GG or about harassment. That paragraph about how you're married to someone in law enforcement - so you're better off than Anita or Zoe or Brianna - was especially galling. I don't think you meant it that way, but most of what I've read of yours here in this sub seems a little tone-deaf and a little self-absorbed, or more about self-promotion than empathizing with others.

I don't mean this as an attack (despite how it sounds) just a suggestion that you try and hear how those things can sound to others. I could be completely off-base, and if so, great. If not, I hope you'll take this as constructive critique, and I hope it helps you somehow. Take care.

[–]PlexFlexico 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you for taking the time to post this.

I really wish people would just grow the fuck up and let people live their lives without feeling that their "heroes" OWE them anything but being the best person they can be.

I wish you didn't have to constantly take shit form people for just being a person... But, as women, I'm sure we can agree that this is the world we live in.

I hope you have a great night, or at least a peaceful and happy one.

[–]observer_december 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really wish people would just grow the fuck up and let people live their lives without feeling that their "heroes" OWE them anything but being the best person they can be.

This. The whole expectation that Brianna has to be our mascot and only do things that we approve of is super KiAish. If this ridiculous inability to see the grey nature of morality and reality continues, I'm just fucking done. We make fun of GG for childish behavior and seeing the world as 'us vs them', and then we go and pull this shit.

[–]CBanana665 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think Brad Wardell is scum. That said, people shouldn't take their dislike for him out on you.

You probably have a deluge of opinions that you're being exposed to right now and I wish you lots of luck processing it all. Honestly, it seems like people aren't set up to drink in this deluge of opinions all at once.

[–]othellothewiseВоин социальной справедливости СССР☭ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think a lot of it is also SRD and KiA hyping the whole thing up claiming Brianna Wu "betrayed" us or some shit that honestly no one was saying.

[–]lifestyledSardonic Jester of Woe[M] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

we can’t discount the fact that a couple of our own users were believing that narrative as well.

ghazi:

please, please show me where people from our own sub were legitimately “crucifying” wu or telling her she is a bad person who isn’t allowed to do what she wants. because if you’re going to tell me that ghazi is becoming just like gamergate, I expect you to help me find where this is happening so it can be stopped.

if you’re just going to make general claims that “ghazi is acting just like gamergate” without reporting these incidents to the mods or giving us some links to where it’s happening, I have no reason to believe you.

as I’ve had to say time and time again to the certain users that continue to recite these claims, mods are not infallible and it’s completely unreasonable to expect us to have a tab open for every submission here so we can constantly refresh the thread and catch comments that should be here.

if you’re going to say that ghazi is going to shit, but aren’t willing to help us find where the shit is and scrub it out, you’re the problem.

[–]A_Fhaol_BhigThreats go in, Doxxes come out. You can't explain that! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'll recheck the threads and report any I see out of line. But I did see ALOT of people I didn't recognize as well.

[–]lifestyledSardonic Jester of Woe 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you.

[–]john-bigbooteKiss Conspirator (´ε｀ ) 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

A common allegation made against Brad is that he is a sexual harasser. I have been one of the people that have tweeted about the allegations, which are factual. He's very correctly points out that the case was settled, and it hurts him that the press never really covered that.

Horse apples.

Kotaku article.

Polygon article.

Another Polygon article.

Joystiq article.

Wardell's harassment case, as well as its dismissal and his countersuit were all covered extensively.

[–]TheBreakfastBaronCasual Marxist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was about to say...abusers and rapists etc. "settle out of court" all the time. Doesn't mean shit.

[–]IglooAustralia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its a very Kerny thing to say.

[–]Super_Jay#NotAllSkulls 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right. Brad's hurt that he wasn't universally hailed as a victor and savior; he's not hurt that it didn't get covered. He'll say that it didn't get covered to someone like Brianna, and apparently she'll take him at his word - maybe she's unfamiliar with his history - but it was covered at length, just not the way Brad wanted.

[–]DeltaXYZILLUMINATI △ SHILL 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't think people take issue with the fact you were communicating with Brad. That's a valid course of action, business industries are often a minefield like that and diplomacy with not-so-nice people is an unfortunate necessity for that.

The issue is, as I think you know by now, was with the words "ally" and "truce"; People here weren't exactly sure what you meant and many people who were terribly hurt by some things Brad did (on a scale almost equal to some of the stuff you went through yourself) felt betrayed/abandoned/etc by a person they respected because it sounded like you were claiming this in the name of those people, who've been hurt by brad.

I understand that you talk about feminist issues out of necessity. I understand that you'd like to do a lot more talking about GameDev if the situation was different. I understand that you had your life throttled upside down and were thrown into this situation, rather than walked to it equipped with everything at hand.

However you have made many comments about being a leading feminist women in tech (or something to that extent) and if you are to make claims such as those, you will have to take responsibility for what comes with that; Which is why many of us feel that this criticism is valid.

In fairness, although you did initially double-down, you have addressed it rather quickly, even if not perfectly, and seem to be WILLING to reflect on it.

Apologies if this caused any unnecessary additional dogpiling, some people critical of gamergate haven't got the memo.

[–]spacekatgalBrianna Wu[S] 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is fair criticism. However, I would like to give you some context for that criticism.

If you saw my schedule, you would wonder how I was still standing. I just did a nightmare schedule at UC Irvine. I flew straight here to GDC to hold nonstop meetings, from here I'm going to PAX. I'm speaking at three other colleges this month. Everyone of these events is primarily centered on women in Tech, and not my business. I am doing this to fight for the cause.

I am tired, I am close to quitting, and I realize I'm making mistakes.

There is no PR person that writes my tweets for me. I guess that has to change

[–]Super_Jay#NotAllSkulls 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am tired, I am close to quitting, and I realize I'm making mistakes. There is no PR person that writes my tweets for me. I guess that has to change

Hey Brianna - for what it's worth, it's cool of you to make this post, but it's worth noting that the only person who can slow you down and take care of you is you. If you feel like you're running yourself so ragged that you're worried about accidentally hurting people you care about or about communicating in a way that doesn't meet your own standards, maybe try and unplug and slow it down a bit. Nobody else can do that for you, and you owe it to yourself to try and keep your sanity in the midst of all this.

While I didn't personally find your tweets all that shocking or hurtful (just complete puzzlement, because Wardell of all people?) it looks from the outside like it was just a few thoughtless comments that were taken out of context, and then people reacted. I know some folks feel like you let them down, but frankly I think we should all take a step back and consider why we're lionizing people like yourself and whether that's really constructive or healthy, given that it can turn into this weird kind of backlash so quickly.

(And "a PR person" is probably an unnecessary step, I think you just need to give yourself more space to think about how you're communicating, especially when it's around volatile issues or personalities like Brad.)

[–]DeltaXYZILLUMINATI △ SHILL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is good. You probably don't need to go to every conference ever. Self-care and all that.

[–]Lolken 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is also very fair justification.

[–]DeltaXYZILLUMINATI △ SHILL 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I do understand you're doing a lot of good work as well. I think I mentioned (can't remember for sure, I RT'ed a lot today) about waiting until after GDC or whenever-you-wouldn't-be-dead-tired before really drilling you on this.

For the record, very few people (outside of GG at least) hate you over issues like these; majority of the criticism comes from an honest, well-intentioned place in hopes to improve you as a person, and in return to improve feminist attitudes in gaming in return.

Keep up the good work.

(P.S. Hire me to be your Twitter PR Manager if you were impressed by the original post, I really need a job :P)

[–]DeltaXYZILLUMINATI △ SHILL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

(P.S.S. Still buying Rev60 on Steam).

[–]RuteekatreyaБоевая подруга 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course the case was 'settled'. Harrassment is fucking hard to win, and he levied his own bullshit suit against the woman who was harrassed. A civil suit isn't even about whether it happened, only whether the company was liable for it. His reputation should be tarnished - it's the only aftereffect that occurred.

I've got nothing against diplomacy. But, well, I don't really care about 'trying' either. If you succeed, great, though; maybe it's possible with Wardell, but it looks pretty unlikely given what you're letting slide already.

[–]ElephantAmore 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hi Brianna,

I was very angry at you earlier(arising from me questioning why you chose him to answer questions in the Human Resources domain space); this was irrational of me. I'm glad you're out there networking.

Please keep up the good fight, for your business and for whatever causes we might have in common (whether that be some or all)

[–]metroidcompositeSJW GTA developer. 소녀시대 화이팅! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For the record, as someone in the industry, the messaging of the first four tweets was pretty clear to me. I didn't guess specifically Maternity Leave (I might have guessed working hours, or on-site child care or something) but it was pretty clear to me the category we were talking about.

And I am pretty upset with the witch hunt that happened. I did try to tell people on twitter, but I'm pretty bad at getting people to actually listen to me XD.

Anyway, sending my hugs. <3

[–]TellahTruth 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad some folks were able to help explain what hurt them about your initial comments, and I think many have legitimate concerns about anyone potentially whitewashing someone like him who has for months fomented greater harassment of women by many GGers.

On a personal level, I don't feel participation in a misguided campaign of hate is something you can just "agree to disagree on", and while it may be enticing to want to believe someone like that can be reasoned with, many have real concerns that he is just using you for more of his own PR. Just because he has not targeted you as much as others during all of this does not seem like a decent reason to look past what he has done as a part of GG and in years prior.

I appreciate your explanations tonight though, and they at least better convey your intentions. Personally, I still relate to the concern that this was likely a mistake that may hurt others by aiding in his PR game, but regardless of that long-term impact, clearly you meant well by meeting with him.

I hope that people will realize that all of us can and will stumble at times and be constructive in their criticism of you and others. No advocate or ally will ever be perfect or understand everything, and as compassionate people, it's important to help work through concerns like this. :)

P.S. Hopefully, despite all this, you have a nice and safe GDC.

[–]chewinchawingumAstro-Spiney 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for posting this. I wouldn't have met with him myself, but I know you're just trying to make the best decisions you can under tough circumstances. And I'm sure you've been going through hell, so take good care of yourself. Jedi hugs, if they're wanted.

[–]terseurseLiterally Slim Shady 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Just like you do not owe gg a punching bag, you do not owe us a rallying point.

You just do whats best for your conscience, yourself and your loved ones.

I'm really disappointed that gamerghazi has lost it's sense of humour.

[–]PISSLEMONSIT BURNS 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you new here? We laugh here for sure, but we also have discussions, vent, offer support, and criticize. Criticizing Wu is not a bad thing, everyone is up to be criticized, including the people we look up to.

[–]GiantSJWConspiracyShall we retire to the Clown Room 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? I laughed hard today at the saga of Aurini and his broken hearted skulls.

[–]lifestyledSardonic Jester of Woe 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm really disappointed that gamerghazi has lost it's sense of humour.

how so?

[–]Gakukun -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For real. And meanwhile we might actually lose people from this fiasco AND give the gators ammunition, when we're just supposed to be a sit-and-laugh-and-yell-at-the-fools type of group.

[–]GiantSJWConspiracyShall we retire to the Clown Room 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is Zoe cool with it? She was most hurt by him in GG.

If so, I don't really think this is a bad thing.Bridges being built is a good thing, as long as it's not just reasonable and polite people accommodating jerky Gators.

Maybe Wardell will be more human as a result. Has he so far?

[–]SJHalflingRangerPsy-ops Specialist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hi Bri, I know it seems like the internet is exploding yet again, but let me say that my impression of reading today has been that the people actively mad at you seem to be few in number. There are a fair amount expressing alarm, and a fair other amount who don't think there's anything to get upset about. Or are at least resisting the urge to immediately jump to conclusions over some tweets. I hope you're able to continue to enjoy your conference, the sky's not falling quite as much as it might have appeared.

[–]RiskovanoyeCultural Word Salad 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm opinionated and I have a temper. There are plenty of ppl in this world who I dislike. Even people who have hurt others.

But there's only one person I've ever known that I could not sit and have a cup of coffee and a conversation with, and the reason for that is between him and me alone.

I can dislike someone and acknowledge that they are, for example, excellent parents. Or really good artists or musicians.

Passions are high, and I think a lot of ppl are on hair triggers atm.

For all of me, if any part of your interaction had a chance of leading him to entertain the thought that maybe some of the things he has done in the past were reprehensible and he could benefit from acting better, then that interaction was productive.

I'm also mindful of the fact that while you didn't have to explain yourself to us or anybody, you did so anyway. That's appreciated.

Please try to enjoy the remainder of GDC!

[–]adaminator1Based Hawkgirl 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

He's very correctly points out that the case was settled, and it hurts him that the press never really covered that

But isn't settled legalspeak for "I'll pay you a lot of money if you shut up"? That isn't a thing to celebrate.

[–]ElephantAmore 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please don't.

[–]RuteekatreyaБоевая подруга 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not necessarily. In this case, it's legalspeak for "I'll drop the lawsuit I just raised against you if you apologize and shut up".

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    [–]adaminator1Based Hawkgirl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Oh, the lawsuit was raised AGAINST him.

    I'll shut up now. Still think he should have gone to trial, though.

    [–]RuteekatreyaБоевая подруга 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    There's two lawsuits. One was raised against Wardell's company for harrassment, and one, raised later, was by Stardock and against the woman who accused him of harrassment; the second lawsuit alleged more than a million in damages, and was raised against a single individual (Granted, former head of HR). The end result of this was that there was an out-of-court settling that had her apologizing publicly. Given the way Stardock seemed to arrive at 1m in damages, it looked like bullshit that was just expensive enough to fight legally that she wasn't prepared for it and couldn't handle both, so...

    [–]adaminator1Based Hawkgirl 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, she should have had the ability to fight back. Wardell's usage of the word "Settlement" as a good thing as if it absolves him of all his crimes is fucking lunacy here, which is what I was trying to say in the OP.

    [–]Super_Jay#NotAllSkulls 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    (Granted, former head of HR)

    Marketing. Brad alleged she stole the marketing materials when she left the company, and used that as the scapegoat to try and explain the failure of Elemental. That's how they arrived at $1m - it supposedly represented the lost sales that they would have made if the materials on one laptop hadn't been "stolen" by a former employee who just happened to have brought a harassment lawsuit. Completely coincidental.

    [–]peterthefourth☭☭Cultural Marxist☭☭ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nobody's perfect. You're a generally super cool person, and I feel bad that this situation happened while you had the best intentions at heart.

    [–]yumenohikari -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you. All the weird discussion has been frustrating, so it's great to hear it from the source, without the limitations of Twitter.

    (P.S. I'm not such a fan of the PR person idea. I like your honest take, even the snarky tweets.)

    [–]rawtatoSocial Justice Potato 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If Jim Fucking Sterling, Son can go from sexist butthole to decent human being, anybody can. Diplomacy's well important! Sorry you had to put up with a witch hunt just by doing something grown ups do and talked. Here's to hoping that Wardell actually gets even the tiniest bit introspective on his part in all of this.

    Take it easy out there. <3

    [–]Super_Jay#NotAllSkulls 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If Jim Fucking Sterling, Son can go from sexist butthole to decent human being, anybody can.

    Nah, not Brad. Well, I'm sure he can, but he has no reason to change; he enjoys being the way he is. He rubs it in people's faces at every opportunity. He may have gotten a little smarter about things like sending sex quizzes to attractive women that work for him or about suggesting that those women go on TV interviews because they have better boobs than he does, but beyond that he's about as unrepentant as they come. And hey, that's his choice, but I think it's pretty silly to expect him to change given that he's been who he is for years and years.

    [–]Caelrie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Hey Brianna, do you have a more detailed transcript of your GDC panel? I'm curious about the context of the tweet where you said feminism has gone too far.

    [–]spacekatgalBrianna Wu[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It Was sarcasm. The members of Gamergate constantly make me out to be a monster. The goals feminists advocate are very reasonable.

    [–]Caelrie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I figured. Thanks :)

    [–]salartaThe Spirit of Alberta 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There are a lot of fine details to this. It's complicated.

    I can't say a lot on this, and I have my hands tied on the things I can. Some of those are things I can't say because it's not a good situation to say them, and I'll re-assess tomorrow. Other things, I'll never be able to say, and I may need to find a different way to get across the same basic message.

    [–]ccmulliganCourtroom Justice Warrior 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You don't owe me any explanation. You're an adult and so is he. We aren't fighting a war. It's a sign of maturity you can sit down with someone you may dislike personally and have a professional conversation. Your opinion and feelings are your own, even if you are a public figure, and you sure as shit don't have to justify your interactions to anyone else.

    [–]woolydjinn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I am sorry this kerfuffle happened and I want to say I believed in you throughout. You were doing what you felt was the right thing and people judged you on a handful of words.

    [–]tkrr[🍰] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm basically a nobody here, so my long-winded opinion probably isn't worth much, but...

    Diplomacy is important, even with some truly loathsome people to deal with. I can't fault Brianna for trying. Here's a little insight from the world of left-oriented volunteer television.

    I've seen both sides of the modern American left. I like the side that does things. You can't help everyone, but food banks, homeless shelters, education, civil rights activism -- all that is important and every person who is helped is a success. The funny thing is, there's a good number of people who do that sort of thing who are quite far to the right; I'm not particularly a fan of the Salvation Army's attitude towards gay people and am not likely to donate any time soon, but as awful as that side of them is, it's still better than nothing to someone they will help, and when society changes for the better, they'll either be left in the dust and be replaced or come along and help everyone.

    The other side is the firebagging, People's Front of Judea, purity troll types. They're demoralizing. They'd rather sit around and complain about foreign policy (some of their complaints outdated and/or borderline conspiracy theory) and say good things about Edward Snowden (while misgendering Chelsea Manning if they mention her at all) than look at the issues right in front of them, of which the shitstorm that Gamergate is part of is a big one. In many respects, they're just as stuck in the Cold War as the neocons and they're fellow travelers with the TERF/SWERF contingent of radical feminists, as well as the anti-GMO fearmongers. Their idea of media savvy is watching RT and patting themselves on the back for being More Informed Than Thou. Many of them voted Nader in 2000 in swing states and are unrepentantly proud of it. They think Obama is Literally Kissinger. They'd rather let the world burn than get any less than 100% of the agenda enacted.

    This isn't how you do left. It doesn't enlighten anyone, because faulty data and bad science. It's self-destructive and occasionally outright insane in its mix of good points and utter bullshit. And the reaction to Brianna's coffee meeting gave me just a hint of the bad taste I get from slogging through an hour of listening to them.

    [–]mizahnyx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Brianna, You tried to build bridges and settle this outrageous culture war. You always tried to build bridges. IMHO, you deserve more than lots of hugs from Frank and Splat and gallons of fresh lemonade and an evening playing Danganropa. Take care of yourself please. You have a good heart, you do care, and probably that is the cause many people are trying to hurt you. Also, I look forward to see Revolution 60 PC! Keep the good work! Tons of respectful and sincere appreciation!

    [–]ZzzinzinWho moved my goal post? 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think you have acted very professionally in spite of all the stress you must be under. I can't imagine having to operate in the public eye in these circumstances.

    [–]aceavengers☾ Social Justice Maroon ☽ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hey Brianna thank you for posting this. I wish you didn't have to. I think a lot of people here are just constantly on edge because of gamergate and took things way too far. We shouldn't hold you up on some pedestal as everyone makes mistakes. Everyone's human. This is one of those moments we'll probably all be ashamed of for a long time.

    [–]dual-moon☠Skeleton Justice Warrior☠ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think it's ironic that people managed to actually BE "SJWs" in the olden sense of people who lash out in the name of social justice instead of engaging in critical thought. Yo, Brianna, you're rad and keep being awesome.

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      [–]ibringthesnark 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm glad you're able to sit down and talk to people you disagree with. If everyone had the ability to do that without losing their shit the world would be a fantastically better place.

      [–]emphasis_mineLiterally Ethics 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Cool! I think it's awesome you are reaching across the isle so to speak. Glad to hear Brad's company treats women well. I would have never guessed that from the way he carries himself on Twitter.

      To be honest, I have not known about Wardell before GG. I did hear about Stardock, and I have bought software from them in the past. I always liked them because they were anti-DRM.

      Then Gamergate happened, and Wardell jumped right into the fray. I saw him offering the job to the kid who drew porny cartoons of Zoe and then picking fights with everyone and trying to aim GG sea-lion corps at women who @ mentioned him. When I read his timeline I was disgusted. I don't know anything about the allegations against him. Reading the words he himself decided to put on his twitter account was enough for me to decide I never want to do business with his company ever again.

      Glad to hear he can curb his shitty opinions when in public, and that he is not a raging misogynist at the office at least. That said I wouldn't be surprised if he throws you under the bus tomorrow to score brownie points with GG crowd.

      Still never gonna buy from Stardock. Still think he is a massive asshole. I don't blame you for reaching out. Do your thing. :)

      [–]IAmJacksSemiColon*Drawing red lines in MS Paint* 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hey, Brianna: I don't like Brad Wardell, but I think that what you did was awesome. I've seen you reach out to Adam Baldwin and Milo Yiannopoulos, who I like even less than Brad, so I wasn't surprised by this. But if talking to them politely and face to face can help them see that we are real people who really care about what we see as concrete issues--even if they are issues they don't see--maybe there can be something resembling strained respect for feminist colleagues from the other corner of the internet.

      It's a lot easier to harass an avatar than someone you had coffee with, right? Right???

      So, yeah. I'm glad you met with him.

      [–]RacecarlockSocial Justice Sharknado 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You're clearly more forgiving than I am. I respect that.

      [–]SandflapjackDiversity = white genocide 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah I didnt buy the blind hatred for you a second time.
      I remember last time someone prominent tweeted some stuff i fell for. never again.

      [–]shahryarrakeenDiGRA-trained Orca 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      While I respect your gesture towards Brad Wardell. I feel the onus is on him to show remorse in good faith before we can start healing. I'll understand if you don't want to be "our" diplomat. Its a thankless responsibility that can drain anyone that takes the mantle.

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        [–]SuchPowerfulAllyI am become butts 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        See here

        [–]A_Fhaol_BhigThreats go in, Doxxes come out. You can't explain that! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        We're all on edge at this point. That's no excuse for what some people said but I'm glad to hear from you to clarify on this whole thing. I think people were just more confused/hurt/scared of what the tweets meant with the context they had.

        Take care...and I mean, maybe you should take a break Kat? No internet at all. Just a good book (I can suggest one!) and a few days away =D

        I don't know if that's possible at all but...just something to think about

        internet huggles

        [–]CromulexNOT a gaming, I am not -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        All the best Brianna, and I hope this is no longer a distraction for the rest of the conference.

        And can i point out guys that this issue has knocked the Davis/Aurini breakup out of the top three slots on this subreddit! I say more pointing and laughing on here and less pointing and accusing without any context.

        [–]OmegaBlue0231☭☭Comrade In Arms☭☭ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thanks for taking time to explain it, maybe now things will cool down a bit here.

        [–]PrivnothAllegedly Harassed [Citation Needed] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm not terribly well informed about this whole fiasco. I think I got the general gist of it, but I don't feel confident enough to directly comment on it.

        I"ll just say that in situations like this it's always a good idea to remember to view everyone involved in their full humanity. This is doubly true on the internet, where things can so easily get out of hand.

        [–]YinEmissaryYou don't know what harassment is -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        If we were to talk honestly guys, I am battle weary. And to be honest, something I'm trying to do is to get more Gamergaters to see me as a human so they'll stop attacking me.

        You know what they say in the Art of War. The greatest skill is not winning 100 battles, but winning without fighting. You have nothing to apologize for, but thanks for clearing things up. My admiration for you hasn't fallen at all.

        [–]GottaLoveIgnoranceAnecdotally Circumstantial -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thank you for saying this, Brianna. I've always felt that if the victim in a situation wants to reach out, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'll say that I still can't stand Wardell, and I'll say that I couldn't care less if he were to just shut the fuck up. BUT, I fully support you in this endeavor. There is nothing wrong with you trying to assist yourself or others. I've got a friend that's a bit too close to basically being a 'gator, but I won't ostracize him just because of that. If you can be civil, if I can civil, if PEOPLE can be civil, then that should be lauded, not damned.

        [–]BeetlecatOneFlair to Middlin' -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thank you for posting this, spacekatgal. You, more than most, would know what living with this ongoing chaos is like, and I can't help but admire the forward steps that you are making toward healing these unreal rifts that have formed in our community.

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