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[–]InspiredRichardLoves NRA -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (43子コメント)

I live in a country where only the police and military have guns. It is called Australia and is doing pretty well thanks.

[–]M_c_ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends how you define "pretty well." Here's some AIC statistics.

  • The trend in assaults shows an average growth of give percent each year from 1995 to 2007, four times the annual growth of the Australian population in the same period.

  • Reported sexual assaults have increased by 51 percent since 1995, at an average of four percent each year.

  • Assaults continue to represent the majority of recorded violent crimes. The overall trend since 1996 has been upward, with an increase of 55 percent between 1996 and 2007.

There has been a change in weapon usage though, with an increase in knives and sharp instruments being used as opposed to guns, with the 06-07 statistics showing knives accounting for nearly half of all homicide victims, though the usage of guns in homicide has been in "a declining trend which began in 1969", well before 1996 legislation, and ironically homicide peaking 3 years post legislation, even accounting for Port Arthur.

It'd be nice if I, or my missus, were on equal footing with criminals, and able to protect ourselves, but that would be illegal here.

[–]braingarbages 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't defend yourself very well though. I understand you live in a very safe country, but should that ever stop being the case you will begin to understand the desire to own a handgun. If you lived in Chicago as I did you would want one too.

[–]albinoeskimo 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (18子コメント)

you can live in a free society without weapons. unfortunately, if the government becomes tyrannical you are completely fucked.

[–]zenontherocks 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not that the government always becomes a tyrannical genocide machine, but in all modern cases where that happened, it was preceded and made possible with sweeping gun control laws.

[–]Fallen_Akroma 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tyranny and patriotic can be the same thing in different people's eyes.

[–]CleatusFTW 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually if you have any sort of liberty in an unarmed society, those liberties are not really liberties. You have privileges given to you by the government, that can be taken away at anytime. So you are not really free, you are just a slave that enjoys some privileges.

In a free society that government does the bidding of the people within the confines of law, not the other way around.

[–]baldyloxRight Social Libertarian 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You comment is wildly oversimplified, but much of the Western world enjoys privileges that they wouldn't normally have because the US provides the vast majority of their defense.

Not that they're grateful that real people paid those tax dollars for it ...

[–]albinoeskimo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think we are talking about the same thing. a tyrannical government doesn't exclusively come from invading armies. While American military prowess assures many other democracies that they won't be invaded it doesn't defend against individual domestic threats faced by those countries.

[–]be_cool_honeybunny 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's great for you. It's a different story for us. Being able to defend ourselves with lethal force is a part of our history. It works for some countries and not for others. That doesnt mean it's better, doesn't mean it's worse. But I can damn sure bet the Jews wished to God they had guns to defend themselves when the nazis came calling.

Downvote.

[–]KingJak117 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Only because you (along with the rest of the world) are protected 24/7 by the most powerful nation on earth and the moon. You know that if anyone decided to invade you guys they would be obliterated by America.

[–]LithiumEnergy -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bahahaha that has nothing to do with it. Your military doesn't affect how our laws and police protection works. Are you saying you hold onto your guns simply because the threat of invasion?

[–]Blunderaem 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they were being sarcastic. Maybe. Damned Poe's Law.

[–]scoobydoo4you 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's nice.

[–]chabanaisSi vis pacem, para bellum. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Your nation is a shadow of its former self. And in 2-3 years you won't be building cars anymore.

[–]InspiredRichardLoves NRA -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm really not sure what you mean by that or how it is really relevant to my comment.

When talking about countries that are a shadow of their former self, perhaps you should put the US way ahead of Australia.

[–]Johnny_Horsecock 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Really? With GM, Ford, etc not to mention Google pioneering self-driving cars, I'd be more than willing to take that bet.

[–]chabanaisSi vis pacem, para bellum. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ford shuts down their plant next year...GM's Holden the year after.

[–]GenreExplorer -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And the Toyota and Honda plants that just opened will of course be ignored.

[–]chabanaisSi vis pacem, para bellum. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And the Toyota and Honda plants that just opened will of course be ignored.

Toyota?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/10/toyota-cease-manufacturing-cars-australia

Pretty sure Honda only has a plant in NZ which is closed or closing.

Care to try again, /u/GenreExplorer?

[–]GenreExplorer -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah, I misread. Thought you were talking about the US.

[–]chabanaisSi vis pacem, para bellum. 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holden is an Australian company and the topic was about Australia...

[–]Owlist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there no hunting in Australia? Or is the ban handguns only.

I fee like I'd want at least a high caliber spider rifle in Australia.