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[–]EaglezhighH8H8 -8 ポイント-7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Most of the blacks asked for it. Mike Brown went to grab Wilson's gun and tried to shoot him. He then charged at him after running away saying "What're you going to do, shoot me?" Then, Wilson did what he had to do to protect his life. "Hands up don't shoot," is a lie.

That being said, race issues are a real problem. It's not any PTB or anything. It has been a problem for thousands of years. When people who aren't native to an area come, tension arises because the immigrants don't know how to live with the native people's of the land.

[–]throwawaymikehawk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Would that explain the three head shots in the autopsy? Including one through the top of the head?

He did have wounds indicating he was trying to grab the officers gun.

Per the report:

1 graze bullet wound right thumb

1 graze bullet wound right bicept

1 enetrance and 1 exit wound right forearm

1 entrance and 1 exit wound right upper arm

1 entrance wound lateral right chest

1 entrance wound upper right chest

1 bullet exit wound right jaw

1 entrance wound central forehead

1 entrance would vertex of scalp, (top of head)

But at what point do you stop shooting? Chest? Upper chest? Forehead? Or the top of the head? Im no expert, but top of the head sounds like he was flat on the ground and still fired on. No one can say in the heat of the moment what the officer felt was justified, or how quick it actually transpired.

I dont really know what to make of it. On one side, his wounds seem to justify the use of deadly force, in that they appear to show he had his hand on his gun or was grabbing for it, was it because the was trying to take it from the officer, or trying to prevent the officer with his gun drawn from shooting him?

Also, with 2 shots to his arm, 2 to his chest, the two shots to his head with an entrance wound on top and exit through the jaw, deadly force is what it is, but you would think a trained law enforcemant officer would realise that he probably didn't need to shoot him through the top of the head? Over kill if you will and that of someone ill trained to the appropriate use of force. Sad for all involved, from the community, familes, and lives effected.

The other question is, was the encounter avoidable, did the officer need to escalate the situation from what was an apparant shoplift or jay walking to put himself in that position and the victim.

[–]throwawaymikehawk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370715-2014-5143-autopsy-report.html Autopsy report

[–]throwawaymikehawk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Expected nothing less from redditors to down vote a link with the autopsy report of Michael Brown. Really? Just shows the ones speaking on Darrin Wilson's behalf want to discredit the official autopsy with the bullet wound going through the top of the head. Thats the Office of the Medical Examiners document not mine. Maybe your efforts would be better spent contacting them if you dont like what it says. Be a more effective use of your time for a subject you obviously feel strongly about. Maybe contact homeland security, see if you can get it classified. Or something. Cause its out now for the public to see.

[–]EaglezhighH8H8 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Darren Wilson's testimony is all that needs to be said. He protected his life when he was in danger. Read what he says in his testimony to the jury. Mike Brown was grabbing his gun. What would you do in that situation? When a 300 pound man is rushing towards you?

[–]throwawaymikehawk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Im not saying I would know what to do. Im not a trained law enforcement official.

Because Darren Wilson testified to it, imo does not make it gospel. He had a vested interest in the picture his testamony painted. At the same time, I am not discrediting his testomony.

Darrin Wilson would not be the first or last officer who wasn't truthful. Meaning the credibility of police officers have taken a down turn for quite some time in this country.

That is the fault of every police officer who has ever abused his authority, planted evidence, and lied under oath.

It was not Darrin Wilson, but his brothers in blue that has damaged the weight their word carries, to alot of people out there.

I wish I could trust the word from a police officer, but he had just as much reason to change details or his recolection of it as anyone else.

Maybe even more so in that it could have resulted in manslaughter or other charges.

It is not against the law for a police officer to lie to you, it is however a crime to lie to them.

Its common practice for police to lie to suspects in attemps to getting them to incriminate themselves. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that they dont use the same tactics to clear their names?

Michael Brown from his wounds appeared to have his hands on the officers weapon, but were they in an attempt to take the weapon, or prevent the officer from aiming his weapon at him?

Was Michael Brown just as fearful as the officer? The officer is required to carry a firearm. Everyone is well aware of that.

This in an enviornment where the use of deadly force against the community has been expirenced?

What would Michael Brown have had to say to the Grand Jury? He doesnt have a chance to.

Is it from the wound entering the top of his head, or exiting his jaw?

What point does the officer realize he is dealing with a 300 lb man, for j walking or shoplift, access the situation for what it was, and either go to where the "suspects" were headed, instead of alledgedly assaulting the men with his vehicle.

It seems someone who's job it was to deal with men and women of any size, in a position of authority, should treat the suspects with respect and as suspects until shown otherewise. Innocent until proven guilty.

Was he on an armed bank robbery call?

Most the time, when you are respectful, and calm, you will recieve that in return. Most the time.

Did Darrin Wilson do everything in his power to protect the suspect or j walker, and himself knowing his size and the potential for escalation in the circumstances?

Or was he fearful, and felt he had to be over the top aggressive because of Michael Browns size, resulting in might be described as engaging in a high speed chase through a school zone?

Why wouldnt an officer in that situation look to diffuse a potential volitale situation instead of needing to aggressively assert his authority?

The suspects were not fleeing, and even if they were, how far did he expect them to go?

Imo the authority should take the high moral ground for every one in the areas saftey, not react in drawing a pistol or tazer from a damaged ego and smart mouth. If you are an officer, wouldn't a think skin be developed from OTJ expirence? Or should already have one, in dealing with the public?

Im not saying they need to take a bunch of shit, but in their line of work should expect it to some extent or be trained to deal with it.

Most people are not going to grab for a police mans gun, just to try and take it. Did Michael Brown? I dont know.

Would a person grab for a weapon being drawn on them fearful of being shot? That makes more sense to me, but again, I dont know.

Darrin Wilson history: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

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[–]EaglezhighH8H8 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The autopsy and forensics prove he was grabbing for his gun as evidenced the blood spatter on the inside door panel and Wilson's uniform.

I understand about all of these cops recently doing shit things, but that doesn't mean that every cop who does something like this is guilty 100 percent of the time. You'd be crazy to say that.

He was on his way to the call of the strong arm robbery. Then he saw brown and what happened, happened.

Mike Brown was punching him through his window. Wilson went to reach for his gun and brown saw that and there was a struggle for the gun and that's where the blood spatter comes from.

The suspect attacked him through his window. Not even giving him a chance to get out of his car. When he went to get put, Mike Brown slammed the door shut.

Don't attack police officers and go to grab their gun and you won't have to have fear of being shot. Simple as that he cause his own death. Darren Wilson protected his life lawfully.

[–]throwawaymikehawk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The one thing you are leaving out is the officer alledgedly assaulted the suspects with his vehicle immediately escalating a situation that he could have parked at least a few feet from the suspects, had room to exit the vehicle, draw his weapon at a safe distance to control the situation, instead of drawing it where a struggle could ensue. A few feet away. The Officers have a fire arm. They have a greater range than arms length. Do they not learn that in cop school? Engage a 300 lb man with your firearm where this large man cant grab your weapon?

[–]throwawaymikehawk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im not disputing the fact his wounds appear to be from a man with hands on the officers weapon. Was it in self defense? Was he fearful of being shot? Michael Brown did not have a death wish I do not believe, if he actually got the weapon away does he shoot the officer? Was the officer not wearing a vest? The officer is the one who is supposed to know the ways to prevent a situation like that. Not the suspect fearful of being shot.