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Marilyn Manson's Dad surprised him at his recent photo shoot with Terry Richardson. Proof that its a Father's duty to embarrass your children as much as humanly possible. (i.imgur.com)

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[–]mhacdebhandia[🍰] 1301 ポイント1302 ポイント  (190子コメント)

Sidebar: Fuck that rapist Terry Richardson.

[–]Ncrpts 161 ポイント162 ポイント  (189子コメント)

I have no idea who that guy is, care to explain the rape stuff ?

[–]frau-fremdschamen 509 ポイント510 ポイント  (188子コメント)

There have been multiple accounts of him coercing, blackmailing, or straight up forcing models to have sex with him.

EDIT:: to all of you saying coercion and blackmail isn't rape, you can go fuck yourselves. Consent should be enthusiastic and explicit, without being "talked into it". If there is not consent, it is rape.

EDIT 2:: someone please tell me how to turn off notifications from this thread in my inbox on AlienBlue so I don't have to read all this bullshit anymore.

[–]username156 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (179子コメント)

Wait what? So if he's out raping people why isn't locked up? Or at the very least fired? I mean, he's raping people at his job right?

[–]norobo132 304 ポイント305 ポイント  (147子コメント)

Because sadly it falls under that rape category of "I wasn't forced at knife point, it was more a 'I couldn't say no' situations."

He hasn't ever drugged a model, or held a gun to someone - but he's used his power and position to get sex from women who otherwise would never have wanted to have sex with him.

[–]Simonzi 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (22子コメント)

So basically, because of the implication...

Are the women he photographs in danger?

[–]free-new-cats 123 ポイント124 ポイント  (9子コメント)

He is a VERY influential guy. His connections are incredible. He could very easily destroy a young model's career in a heartbeat, as well as the fact that his status makes people less inclined to believe his victims anyway. The modelling world is all about connections and reputations. If you go up against a guy like Terry Richardson, that's a lot of doors closed for you, not just in modelling but in the entire entertainment industry. He also appears to prey only on the more vulnerable models who are just starting out, meaning he has a lot of respectable, successful celebrity friends who sing his praises. Apparently a very charismatic guy.

[–]digitaldeadstar 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you summed it up better than most. A young model hopeful coming to Hollywood with barely anything, where they're a dime a dozen and then THE Terry Richardson wants to shoot you?! Taking you from another pretty face on the street to superstar status overnight? He might not force himself on these women, or drug them, or hold a gun to their head, but he pretty much holds their careers over their head.

They could say no. They should say no. He isn't going to force them. After all, the next photographer down the street will shoot them, right? Well you're a difficult model to work with, you're a diva, your demands are too high, you can't pose right. That's what Richardson's camp said and he's the biggest and best in Hollywood. If he couldn't produce results, I know I can't, so I'm not going to bother taking a chance with you. Your best bet is to grab the next Greyhound ticket back to Nebraska. Richardson will give you the money for the ticket if you come back groveling on your knees... and blow him.

Dude is a scumbag.

[–]None-Of-You-Are-Real -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

By all accounts he sounds like a scumbag. By all accounts he does not sound like a rapist.

[–]alyciacreative 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One model said that he has "hype men" there who say "just do it! It will be fun!" and photograph the sexual acts. Another model said his female assistant drove her home after a shoot and basically said "don't tell anyone."

http://nypost.com/2013/11/03/exposing-terry-richardson-fashions-favorite-pervert/

[–]onemessageyo 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. They fuck him to keep him from ruining their carrier or keeping their jobs, things like that.

[–]Throwaway_Luck 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, no, NO! There's not going to be any danger! Nothing's going to happen to these women. Nothing would ever happen unless thy want something to happen - which they will, because of the implication.

[–]RockFan2012 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Call me stupid, but I have no idea what you're trying to say.

[–]Simonzi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like 98% of the stuff on reddit, it's a reference to something.

I apologize for the quality.

[–]Vio_ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hitchcock was the same way, and ruined at least one A-List actress, because she refused to cooperate. This is economic/occupational/financial danger in the sense of "if you don't let me fuck you, you'll never work in this town again." That's not a physical threat, but it sure as hell is extortion and sexual assault. "Hedren said it was during that meeting Hitchcock made offensive demands on her. "He stared at me and simply said, as if it was the most natural thing in the world, that from this time on, he expected me to make myself sexually available and accessible to him – however and whenever and wherever he wanted."[41] She told him she wanted to get out of her contract because, "He made these demands on me, and no way could I acquiesce to them," and recalls Hitchcock telling her he'd ruin her career. "And he did: kept me under contract, kept paying me every week for almost two years to do nothing."[42]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tippi_Hedren#Troubled_relations_with_Hitchcock

[–]AtticusWarhol 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like them being on a boat

http://youtu.be/MZ1lc6KASWg

[–]JackParalta 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have my upvote! I think it went over people's head in the ensuing shitstorm.

[–]Sickshotztoo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are we the tasty treats?!

[–]CaptainAirstripOne 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are the women he photographs in danger?

Depends what you mean by danger. Their future careers, earning potential, and reputation in their chosen field are certainly imperilled.

[–]SmokeyFromFriday [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It's always sunny !

[–]dabombdiggaty 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're in danger of never working as models again at the least, so in that sense yes.

[–]HermesTGS 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Shout out to every dude in this comment thread making the same sarcastic double fisted, "So he didn't really rape anyone just to be clear." comment. You're the reddit equivalent of tumblrs social justice warriors.

[–]hidinginplanesite -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't usually chime in to these conversations, but a lot of the scenarios described in this thread are practically indistinguishable from prostitution. One person using a position of power to coerce another into sex. That person furthering themselves financially or professionally by having sex with someone they normally wouldn't. The scenarios seem very similar to me, yet they get very different reactions by the general public (of the internet).

[–]Ogre_The_Alpha_Beta -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

says you: the dumbest motherfucker in here. I'm no SJW, I don't give a fuck about hardly anything but Terry Richardson is a scumbag and you're a dipshit.

I don't usually chime in to these conversations

Next time keep it that way.

[–]hidinginplanesite 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You articulate your views well. Thanks for adding to the conversation.

[–]DeschainDuGilead -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nice silence tactic but he's entitled to his opinion.

[–]Fillywhigs 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (99子コメント)

Edit: He's an alleged rapist. My comment is no longer relevant.

[–]CashMikey 251 ポイント252 ポイント  (93子コメント)

Rape by coercion is very much rape. Stating or heavily implying that he will destroy your career unless you fuck him counts as rape.

[–]generik777 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No it doesn't. But it's still wrong.

[–]pewpewlasors 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Its not rape, if you're just abusing your position, to get people to have sex with you, to further their career.

You may not like it, but that isn't rape.

[–]MsPenguinette 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some of the stories and allegations are definitely stories of nonconsensual sexual acts. Like posing for a picture then having a dick humping your cheek.

It may not be "rape" as you define it but it's at least sexual assault which is still extrenely shitty.

[–]None-Of-You-Are-Real -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course it's extremely shitty, no one is denying that. What people are saying is that maybe we shouldn't be going around calling the guy a rapist and assuming it's a foregone conclusion.

[–]butyourenice [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Its not rape, if you're just abusing your position, to get people to have sex with you, to further their career.

It actually is. In fact, even when it comes to statutory rape laws, there are usually restrictions on consent based on your position of power. E.g., a teen may be able to legally have sex at age 16, but if their partner is their teacher or doctor, it is considered non-consensual. So the idea of people having power and thus influence over you is absolutely accounted for and considered when it comes to rape, legally, because it's something that affects our decision making. If your boss tells you to do something you know is unethical, and you fear losing your job, you are far more likely to do it because the risk to your livelihood is clear and present. The same applies to sexual activity.

(In fact the whole idea of statutory rape relies on adults abusing their position to prey on minors who do not have the capacity to make well-informed, objective decisions regarding consent. This is why "Romeo and Juliet" clauses often exist that allow teens to have sex with each other, but doesn't allow adults to have sex with teens.)

[–]dinky_winky 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What about stating or heavily implying that fucking him will advance your career?

[–]AffectiveMan -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Logically equivalent. In fact, this chain of reasoning requires that any act of sex made with the understanding of any causal impact to the outside world is also rape. i.e. Consensual sex is contingent on it not actually occurring.

See also: 42.

[–]ribbitskibbit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

"destroy your career" as in just choose not to hire you? So a girl who sleeps her way to the top is considered rape these days?

[–]Snark-Shark 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or tell everyone in his massive network not to hire you either, creating a ceiling that you may never get passed. That's generally the other side of "not hiring you" in these situations.

[–]gettinhightakinrides -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So letting the guy "rape" you as these people put it is a better option than giving up your stupid fucking modeling dream? If the option besides fucking him is having no modeling career and they choose to fuck him because of that, anyone calling it anything close to rape needs a brain examination

[–]Wannabepatriot 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You seemed to have missed the point. It's not just "choosing not to hire you". This guy is significantly important, and the model's probably felt very intimidated when their career/reputation was threatened. Not only that, but they probably really need the photo shoot in their portfolio.

Rape? Probably not. But definitely lies in some sort of moral grey area..

[–]None-Of-You-Are-Real -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rape? Probably not.

Good, then we're all in agreement, because the original comment that currently has like 800 upvotes is calling him a rapist.

[–]thermiteqaint 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Allegations are enough to start throwing out the label apparently.

[–]ArtSchnurple -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why are you defending rape? What the fuck is wrong with you? And people wonder why reddit has a worldwide reputation as a haven of dim misogynist shitheads.

something something SJWs something something desperate to be offended

[–]pewpewlasors 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That isn't rape.

[–]FUCK_DOG_IN_BUTT -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

SO GLAD YOURE OUT HERE SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR. TODAY I LEARNED YOU CAN RAPE SOMEONE BY TALKING THEM INTO IT. WHAT WOULD I DO WITHOUT YOU.

[–]frau-fremdschamen -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Consent should be enthusiastic and explicit. Talking someone into sex that is initially opposed to the idea is not consent.

[–]None-Of-You-Are-Real 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Talking someone into something by definition requires consent. If a salesman convinces me to buy something you wouldn't say I was forced to buy it, would you?

[–]Everything_Sucks_Now 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And their opposition to the idea dies down when they realize they can further their career by doing it anyway. So they do it. And then they complain about it. And then they get people like you rushing to their protection because women have no agency and shit just happens to them. Much feminism. Wow.

[–]FUCK_DOG_IN_BUTT -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

YOUVE OBVIOUSLY NEVER SEEN A JAMES BOND MOVIE

[–]Elerion_ -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIL damn near every guy I know is a rapist.

[–]2dogmoon -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

im going to have to disagree with you. i dont want to water down the word rape with your version of rape. i think every boss or person of power in history has talked someone into sex because of their position, and to call all of them rapists? no. its just a shady fact that no one really agrees with but we know it happens. in some jobs its kind of just expected that to get to the top you might have to do a "favor" for someone.

that reminds me there is a meme out there with a bunch of people going down on each other til it reacts the top dude who is above all the other ones

[–]Ahaon 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lots of people do it therefore it isn't rape

Not a very wholesome argument, there.

[–]berwak -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's not rape. Coercion you can walk away from, you don't get to walk away from rape.

[–]butyourenice [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Coercion you can walk away from, you don't get to walk away from rape.

You've never been raped, have you. I mean, are you trying to suggest the only real rape is the one that leaves you dead or mutilated to the effect you can't walk? What?

[–]temptingtime -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

See, I don't think it does, though.

[–]butyourenice -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a good thing nobody asked you.

[–]twitchosx -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't fucking think so. I don't know the specific LAW of "rape" but that's bullshit. AFAIK rape is when something is done to somebody against their will without their consent. If you blackmail somebody, that's blackmail. Not rape. Implying that you will "destroy your career" if you don't hump is not rape. That's fucking stupid.

[–]Irrefusable 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that like, your opinion?

[–]shilohbeazel -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like you. Not a lot of people on here would say this.

[–]Ahaon -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

so brave

[–]Dragontitz -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

he doesn't destroy careers. he's the gate keeper to getting a job, but he won't blackmail them.

I mean they sign contracts and release forms. Maybe they should read what is in them. And google his name and you know what your going into. I mean he was skeezy when he started out, so how could there manager not know?

[–]Irishguy317 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is it though, or do you not know what you're talking about?

[–]CashMikey [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It is. A quick google search will tell you that ya smartass

[–]VictorHugosBaseball 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure having someone's dick suddenly forcibly put in your mouth is sexual assault, not 'harassment.'

I'm ordinarily loathe to link to Jezebel, but they've collected story after story after story and linked to them all in this one:

http://jezebel.com/source-new-york-mag-plotting-terry-richardson-is-innoc-1588843175

Why the fuck is Manson involved with him?

[–]EvanHarper 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He actually is accused of rape, though. The guy you're speaking with doesn't know what he's talking about.

[–]RockFan2012 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I appreciate and respect your edit a great deal.

[–]ArtSchnurple 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your CURRENT wording trivializes solicitation and sexual harassment!

[–]highsmith -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's a diagram of the different types of sexual violence and prevalence.

[–]DrZaious -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sounds like he uses the D.E.N.N.I.S system.

Although to me it sounds like these models could have said no, they just felt like they couldn't. That doesn't make him a rapist. A Creep, yes. In the end the women could have said no regardless. Anyway we can all agree the guys a creep.

Also I've never seen any proof. Just comments saying, " a model has said" where's the screenshots of his private tweets? If some guy was trying to do that to me I be capping all the messages and postinng that shit on my FB and etc.

[–]addpulp 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please read up first. Yes, the models have said no.

[–]MsPenguinette 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. I read the articles and was feeling ill for the situation those girls where in. (Can't believe I only found out today).

If people don't want to call it rape they at least have to accept it is sexual assault. Well if the read the fucked up shit, that is.

[–]controversialsubject 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because sadly it falls under that rape category of "I wasn't forced at knife point, it was more a 'I couldn't say no' situations." He hasn't ever drugged a model, or held a gun to someone - but he's used his power and position to get sex from women who otherwise would never have wanted to have sex with him.

That's morally atrocious behavior, but it isn't rape.

[–]Psyladine [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

but he's used his power and position to get sex from women who otherwise would never have wanted to have sex with him.

So like every rich, famous or connected guy ever?

[–]Placement93 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If models are fucking a guy to further their careers to make more money, he is not a rapist, they are whores.

[–]Ranikins -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like the action plan of every man ever.

Clearly Reddit just has a misplaced justice boner for this guy.

[–]uNBAnned_ -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They couldn't just say no and walk away?

They could just model for someone else.

I'm not saying he isn't a piece of shit, but they could have just walked away

[–]pewpewlasors -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because sadly it falls under that rape category of "I wasn't forced at knife point, it was more a 'I couldn't say no' situations."

Sounds more like one of those "She agreed to have sex to further her career, and then regretted it later" type situations.

[–]spartacus2690 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, like many leading men in the country, such as John F. Kennedy.

[–]Atario -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So now we've decided that musicians having sex with groupies is rape?

[–]Irishguy317 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, sadly women are stupid children and don't know how to say no and not perform a sex act is what you're saying. You people are insane.

Are you that much of a mental weakling?

[–]O_oo_O -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That isn't rape. Reprehensible, maybe. But if it was about power and position they absolutely could say no, so not rape.

[–]Rather_Dashing 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Because the reporting of sexual assualt/rape is very low, and even when it is reported its rare for the case to go beyond an initial police investigation. This is especially true when the rapist is known to the victim and violence/weapons aren't involved.

Look at Bill Cosby, h's apparently been raping women since the 80s, and some women have accused him of rape for years, but only now is it all blowing up in the media.

[–]ArtSchnurple 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

More like the 60s, but in every other way your comment is right on. The reaction to even the idea of rape being raised in this thread is exactly why more rapes aren't reported and how rapists are able to get away with it so often.

[–]TheGreatAndPowerful -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Report rapes all you want, but if there's no evidence don't expect convictions. It's not about "rape culture" it's about being able to prove something in court, which testimony alone cannot.

[–]ArtSchnurple 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well, yeah, that's kind of the fucking problem. Women who say they were raped are automatically disbelieved.

Have you ever noticed that rape is the only crime for which when someone reports it, people doubt that a crime occurred at all? When somebody reports their car stolen, people don't figure it wasn't really stolen and they just gave it to someone. Why do you suppose that is?

[–]TheGreatAndPowerful -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because there'd be evidence of the theft, ie. missing car.

[–]ArtSchnurple 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I can't help noticing that you ignored the last part of my comment that already addresses what you just said.

When somebody reports their car stolen, people don't figure it wasn't really stolen and they just gave it to someone. Why do you suppose that is?

[–]doctor-it-hurts-when 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the reporting of sexual assualt/rape is very low

So if reporting of it is low, how do you know?

[–]jcrdy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

hannibal burress

[–]immerc 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Drugging someone and then having sex with them is a bit different from telling someone "agree to have sex with me and I'll help you get famous, don't agree and I'll ruin your career".

[–]TheGreatAndPowerful -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's due to lack of evidence. If testimony were enough to land a person in jail for 20 years, I'd report rape on 3 people tomorrow. Luckily, you need evidence to make a conviction.

This is not a situation where the system is not supportive of victims, it's a situation where liars have ruined it for everyone else.

[–]Rather_Dashing 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Part of it is due to lack of evidence. But the fact that something like 80% of rapes are never reported isn't solely due to the lack of evidence.

[–]TheGreatAndPowerful 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, it's not. That's due to choices made by individuals. They are making the wrong choice due to their individual circumstances and creating statistics that empower people on the internet to hate men.

They should report when they're raped. They should expect a full investigation. They should expect no conviction if there is no evidence beyond their testimony.

[–]frau-fremdschamen 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sexual assault reports aren't always taken seriously, and the rich and affluent are above the law.

[–]TheGreatAndPowerful -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sexual assault reports aren't always truthful. You need evidence for a conviction, and testimony alone doesn't cut it.

[–]frau-fremdschamen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

False rape allegations are more rare than you think, especially considering how many assaults go unreported because women think that they won't be taken seriously or accused of making it up.

[–]TheGreatAndPowerful -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if making a false claim could result in conviction the rate of false accusations would increase.

[–]Rejeckted 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hes famous and can make you a star. It catches up to the photographees though because the dude has some very strange fetishes and its all recorded.

At this point its hard to call it black or white, but lots of people came forward and said strange shit happened that they didn't like. A lot of them agreed in the moment because of pressure and their personal situations (finally having work). At this point he's simply been accused of multiple instances of coercing female models to do explicit things that weren't on the agenda as they understood it (also apparently his assistants, both male and female were witnesses and participants in some cases). Even some of the model's agents encouraged them to do anything because terry would skyrocket their career.

that's still a god damn scumbag move and the dude shouldn't be working if he cannot control those aspects of himself while hes on the clock. Many fashion biz people wont hire him because of the controversy.

Also some of them were completely on board for all aspects of terry so it's hard to know if so and so girl is legitimate or just trying to jump on the bandwagon for the publicity or monetary gain possibilities or who knows. it's all fucking ridiculous.

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[–]FUCCBOIxDELUXE -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because he doesn't actually rape people.

[–]yourmomspubichair 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cosby scale victims, worshipped as a modern Warhol, celebrity friends. Check out his art!

[–]greyjackal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fired from what? He's freelance.

He's also a complete hack with no skill or technical ability at all. I have no idea how he's got to where he is, but he's trading on his name alone.

[–]furballnightmare -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A bunch of lying fame hungry sluts accusing someone doesn't make it true.

[–]immerc 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If there is not consent, it is rape.

By "talked into it" you mean "talked into giving consent"?

[–]rb1353 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He refused photograph me, but that's only because I didn't have sex with him.

Is that how these accounts work?

Edit: genuinely curious, because somehow this guy still has a career.

[–]thelongestnameononre 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, maybe on the /r/TheRedPill

[–]Thefollowerfollow -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Source?

[–]Webonics -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

consent should be what I say it is, and everything else is rape!

Without a blink of irony.....

Holy fuck. There are actual retarded people on Reddit. Now I'm going to have to start regulating my use of the R word.

[–]Jamator01 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Consent should be enthusiastic and explicit, without being "talked into it".

Isn't dating basically talking someone into having sex with you? Your definition is so vague and dumb.

[–]2dogmoon -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if ever man that manipulated a girl into having sex was sent to jail, the country would shut down

[–]RevenantCommunity -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They didn't have to say yes. If they chose to say yes for what he was offering, that's consent, they're both gross, end of story.

If it was actual blackmail then that's a crime and flat out illegal