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[–]_Ab_Aeterno 177 ポイント178 ポイント  (65子コメント)

I am genuinely curious, and I'm sorry if I come across as naive in this question, but what would the proper etiquette in China be in this situation?

For example, what if it was you and your husband at your aunt's house and dinner table. Your aunt's husband makes this rude comment about the person who gave your husband his job, who is your cousin's husband (her daughter's spouse) and not present. Should you say anything? Would you speak up out of loyalty for your employer? Or would you not say anything out of politeness for the host, who is also your family? What is "correct" in this situation in China?

[–]justwantcuddles[S] 341 ポイント342 ポイント  (50子コメント)

Of course I will answer and no you do not come across as naive.

I think first, understand that there are no individuals in China. I'm not a single person. I belong to my Husband. I belong to my family. Those units are more important than me alone.

I think there is no "correct" response for this. Would there be a correct response for this in a western country? I think it was incredibly rude and that crosses cultural barriers. The shock in this thread is that my Husband punished everyone yes? Here we return to the fact that no one is an individual in China. You see my stepdad as an independent individual who made this decision. My Husband and I see him as a part of a larger group, in this case his family unit and those others at the dinner party. They all allowed this disrespect to stand by not acting. I think the correct response would have been for everyone at the dinner party to banish my stepdad. They should have collectively shown him that what he did was wrong. Social harmony is very important.

I hope this makes sense.

[–]Wittgenfine 269 ポイント270 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The shock in this thread is that my Husband punished everyone yes?

Yeah, I'm actually really glad that you mentioned in a comment that you're Chinese, because I'm American and this update was absolutely shocking to me until I saw you explain that you're Chinese. I'm sure that what he did was quite reasonable in China, but I think that to many American readers it will be very difficult to understand. I don't think that most American readers would consider firing all of those people to be an appropriate response (although since you are in a different country, the norms and standards are obviously different, and I'm feeling somewhat more empathetic with your husband's response).

I think it's worth noting that if this incident happened in America, most of the guests at the table would have considered it proper etiquette to let that horrible comment go unchecked, and then talk about what an asshole your stepdad is on the drive home. So we wouldn't necessarily see the guests' lack of angry response as agreement with the comment. Is it considered more normal in China to openly criticize someone in a situation like this? (sorry if that's a silly question)

[–]geoelectric 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think they would have laughed, though, at least past any they thought was minimally polite.

In American terms, if I translate this to someone on your tight-knit team, and finding out they were all insulting your competence behind your back, I get the gist.

The response was certainly...decisive. And I'd only find it just were it limited to people in the room. But even that seems understandable to me.

Certainly, it's not an uncommon power daydream in our culture, so if the chance were there I'd have to assume people would take it--especially if it were considered to be an acceptable thing to do.

[–]MrSnap 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the interesting post!

[–]PheonixManrod 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (11子コメント)

The shock in this thread is that this would seem incredibly vindictive. Rather than facing the person directly, taking away their livelihood would be considered downright cruel. This is a difference in culture.

Further, structures that would put your husband in a position of power over your stepfather and his family would be rare at best in the western world.

[–]RedSpottedLemur 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (10子コメント)

They also seem to have punished everyone except the person that made the rude comments. Seems rather perverse.

[–]minty_freshh 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the sense of more Eastern cultures, not really. Culturally, things are much more family unit centric as opposed to the individualistic nature of American/European cultures. Therefore the step dad, and the other people at the party are representative of that entire family unit, and one person (and you could say the others in the dinner party as well since they didn't defend OP) doing something untoward means the whole unit is held responsible.

[–]FasCap 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (7子コメント)

It seems downright medieval to punish people for hearing an insult just because the person insulted has authority.

[–]RedSpottedLemur 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hell they had fired or kicked out of their homes people that were merely related to people that were at the dinner party. That's Godfather justice. They went full Fat Tony....

"Fat Tony:I want the mayor dead, I want his wife dead, I want his cat and his dog dead.

Legs: Wawawait... who was before the cat?

Fat Tony: Just kill the mayor...

Legs: Y-you're not mad at me are ya?"

I'd pretty upset about being held to account for stupid shit my dad or brother have said.

[–]Yutwooo 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Actually, it makes me wonder if op and her husband earned that insult. Act like a thug and you're going to make enemies.

[–]bayoemman 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're trying to understand a different culture and country in the context of your own, it doesn't work and it never will because it'll seem completely over the top to you, hell it seems over the top to me too, but I'm not judging because due to my own background I get the disconnect between cultures.

[–]Nora_Oie 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since there are no individuals, that doesn't matter. The social unit was punished, in this case, the broader family of OP. So errant Stepdad is punished only because his married clan suffers.

[–]Yutwooo 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Social harmony is very important

Okay, but I don't see how your husbands actions further 'social harmony'. Haven't you just made enemies of a lot of people? Most of whom might not have actually had an issue with your husband (until now!)

[–]blazed_andconfused 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think what you did was right. The ethnocentrism in this thread is really overwhelming.

[–]escape_goat 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (8子コメント)

no-one is an individual in China

Okay, so, this is something that I know to be untrue, and nothing you describe matches the family dynamics I've observed in China. I'm not going to say you're lying, but... wait, no, I am. I am going to say that you're lying. Sorry, I thought I wasn't, but your rationalization of the husband's behavior in the story is such an immense load of bullshit that I'm just going to come out and say it. It is embarrassing to watch one commentator after another concede meekly to the suggestion of cultural relativism because, oh, China, you know, where no one is an individual and social harmony, ooooh.

Don't bother to reply in English.

[–]lookingforandroid 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm Chinese American and I've lived in China and tbh the original post just sounds like a non-Chinese person trying imagine what Chinese social structure is like and churning out some weird justice porn to demonstrate their "understanding" of Chinese people and show us what "China" is all about. Just. Stop.

[–]djinn08 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This whole story reeks of fake.

[–]lookingforandroid 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

From what I can tell, the OP has used several things/ideas/concepts that non-Chinese people consider "endemic" to China and completely misinterpreted fro the purpose of writing this post.

1) The use of "social harmony". The average Chinese person gives about as much of a shit about social harmony (whatever that means) as the average American does. Yeah family is important, but tbh, if the OP had "implemented" the idea of harmony as most Chinese would have, the update would have read "my husband told me to just leave it and we will all passive-aggressive against them later in the future". I feel as though OP took the idea of "he xie" which is a term used by the Chinese government to push internet censorship.

2) The use of "dumb cunt". First, did this interaction happen in Chinese? If so, I have to assume the OP translated directly from Chinese to communicate to reddit. There are few Chinese words that are have as strong a connotation as cunt. What I assume OP translated "dumb cunt" from is "sha bi" (sha is literally dumb and bi is literally vagina). HOWEVER, the connotation is TOTALLY DIFFERENT. It approximates to something more like "dumbass". Obviously, if this did happen, it still would absolutely have been inappropriate for the stepdad to say this, but definitely also inappropriate for the husband to have "laid down the law"

3) The creepy, subservient, robotic aspect of the post. Your husband told you to fetch his phone? You not being an individual? Chinese people function as units? UGHHHHHHH this sounds exactly like a non-Chinese person interpreting what everyone perceives to be the Chinese collectivistic mindset.

This whole thing pisses me off because like...what are you even trying to do? Use "chinese culture" to tell an inflammatory story and then try to fill the minds of people who are willing to learn about another culture with crap? Bye.

[–]graffiti81[🍰] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What kind of horrible person would make shit up on the internet?

[–]Yutwooo 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know if the commenters can be reasonably blamed for not knowing the social mores in China.

[–]imanalias 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly this sounds completely crazy and out of proportion.....and I almost wonder if it's a joke? I'm in the US, and the people I know from China have all seemed so much kinder than this - I have trouble believing this it's actually normal behavior to get people fired and evicted from their apartments because they heard one rude comment made by one person. Honestly, your husband sounds like a 'crazy guy' character from a bad Chinese - mafia movie or something. Is the next step for him to start having your stepfather beaten up? Maybe have his fingers crushed so he can't work again? You people sound nuts to me.

Edit - by you people I mean you and your husband. The Chinese people I know are generally awesome. But I still think this is a fake post so I have to at least thank you for the entertainment.

[–]booklover13 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

They all allowed this disrespect to stand by not acting. I think the correct response would have been for everyone at the dinner party to banish my stepdad.

This is where western culture is a bit different. When uncomfortable comments are made guests expect if anyone is to address it, that person is the host, and the guests should follow their lead. In this case you mother(host) said nothing, thus in western culture the type of laughter should be considered. When someone makes inappropriate comments, sometimes the reaction is to give a small, forced laugh, and then change the subject. The guest then may either tell you of the comment, or not, this is dependent on a few things, like they feel it isn't their place. They also will likely start distancing themselves from the rude person.

In any case the other guests are treated like the bystanders watching a train crash. Their is nothing they can do to stop it and little they can do, if anything, to help. It is best for everyone if they just stay out of the mess and don't get involved. At least that is how it is often viewed in western culture.

[–]CriticalCold 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I disagree. If my family was having a dinner party where someone called another family member and his wife a "pig" and a "cunt", there would be no forced laughter. Shocked silence, probably, and in my family at least one person would have said it was completely unacceptable.

Forced laughter would happen more if someone made a slightly off color, inappropriate joke or something, not a blatant hateful insult.

[–]Yutwooo 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But if the one who made the insult is also closest with the target? If I were with my own family or friends I would definitely challenge it, but if my aunt made that comment about her son? I would assume something happened between them I wasn't privy to and keep my shocked mouth shut.

[–]phillycheese 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They could have absolutely done something. "Why would you call them that?". "You shouldn't say that about people, it's rude".

[–]jstarlee 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The norm for social interaction in Chinese culture is NOT to cause a scene, which in this case, is not to say anything. If I were there at the party, I would be shocked but would not say anything since it's unlikely my business. I would write your stepdad off mentally, but I wouldn't have said a word.

Obviously I don't know the context/history between you/your husband/rest of the group, but I'd expect most Chinese people to avoid confrontation which in this scenario is to NOT speak up.

This is not to say your husband's decision wrong (again, I don't know enough). I just hope you never get on your husband's wrong side. His behavior reminds me a bit of "寧可我負天下人" that's all.

[–]rbaltimore 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, your husbands actions make WAY more sense now. I have travelled throughout Asia, including China, and this response definitely fits the family structure, society, and behavioral expectations found in Chinese culture (from the perspective of a western anthropologist and psychologist). While it is a little on the extreme side of what I would do personally, it is not an action that should go unaddressed.

[–]breovus 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I would be interested in learning more as well. I'm a white Canadian male, so this has been a very interesting perspective into a culture much different than my own.

Why did three family members lose their jobs because of one person's actions? Surely, I can understand retribution directed at the foul mouth of the step-father, but why must others suffer as a result of his poor taste? For example, I would feel it is very unfair for me if I lost my job because my father made a rude comment. I am not my father, and so why must I suffer as a result of his transgression?

I don't mean to be judgmental, each culture is different, I just seem to be missing something. I don't mean to cause offence, I do wish to learn something out of this!

[–]whenitistime 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Perhaps this might shed some light. Now that this happened, what do you think is going to happen the next time someone even utters something disrespectful about OP's husband? You think they will again stand by and laugh along, if they knew not standing up against it would have consequences just as if they made the joke themselves.

[–]breovus 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks for replying. If I could be allowed to suspend cultural relativism, if this incident occurred in a more western context, people would accuse the husband of being insecure about being perceived as lacking power if he would resort to punishing bystanders for the transgression of someone who committed a crime. Which, by the way, doesnt really address the issue, which is the step-dad being an ass and uttering contemptible things. Guilt by association is something that many people would find unfair where I am from. Thanks for an enlightening perspective.

[–]skeetch_a_leak 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd assume that the step dad has been punished pretty thoroughly.

He has no respect for his step-daughter or her husband, so not having contact with them will mean nothing. So instead, he's being separated from his peer group, because they're pissed at him for getting them fired and evicted. He has to deal with that.

If this incident occurred in a more western context, people would accuse the husband of being insecure about being perceived as lacking power if he would resort to punishing bystanders for the transgression of someone who committed a crime.

If we're talking about an upper level manager or regional VP or something going on a rampage, sure. But if this were a truly powerful individual - a powerful lobbyist or politician, prominent and connected business owner - he wouldn't care if they said he was insecure (thus reinforcing his security). And no one would disrespect him again. No, swift ruthlessness isn't a sign of insecurity, nor is it the real problem.

We idolize the genial, forgiving leader, and treat the stoic, exacting man as some kind of farce or defective individual. At the same time, we focus solely on the individual, often to the exclusion of the group. These preferences aren't better. They're just preferences.

[–]yanderess 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think its quite guilt by association so much as guilt by not speaking up. I think of the jobs of those family members as "gifts that keep giving" the husband bestowed upon OP's family (I believe she stated he got them the jobs). If someone gave you fantastic gifts every year, would you expect them to continue to do so once they witness your refusal to support them in any way? Their staying quiet is akin to saying "eh... I don't want this to ruin my dinner," i.e. "this is less important than a full belly." To be treated that way by family is an awful feeling, but to be treated that way by family you have supported is even worse. OPs husband is not obligated to give them anything if they can't even make the small effort of standing up for him and OP.

[–]Dif3r 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe I can help answer that as well. Keep in mind while I am ethnically Chinese I'm culturally Asian-American as in child of the immigrants who moved here during he 70's and 80's. Basically it boils down to the concept of "face". I don't exactly understand all the intricacies of it but its something thats been present in my life even growing up here. Its like a social code and honor and reputation all rolled into one. Let's just say its way more complicated than the English concept of saving face.

As for being so ruthless. If her husband isn't a triad boss, I feel its part of the culture to be a hardass and ruthless. Growing up here I'm all about equality and whatnot but the way they do business there its pretty much an overcrowded shark tank. The models of business over there might not translate well here (and I did have a Chinese boss once who tried to run his company here like he would in China let's just say they were barely making ends meet while I was there and folded a year after I left). EDIT: My mom was also right that I should never work for a Chinese boss who came from overseas, I just don't have what it takes and the clash of cultures is way to great (between families who were here since the railroad days and families who came in the 70's and 80's isn't too great a difference but the latest groups just don't want to integrate and want to treat North america as a vacation home and a place to hide their assets while abusing social support systems).

[–]breovus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks! That was informative :)

[–]phillycheese 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You need to understand that there is much more individualism in Western culture. You feel that it is unfair for you to be punished for something your dad did, probably because you feel that you have nothing to do with your dad's actions.

In Chinese and many other Eastern cultures, the family unit is much more prominent than any individual person. People tend to be a lot closer-knit than western cultures. This is also a reason why a lot of Asian families will have 3 or sometimes even 4 generations of people living in the same house. As such, any action done by your, your father, or any other person in your family, is a reflection on your entire family.

It works both ways, actually. If you are a superstar student in school and are recognized, your entire family would be praised. If your brother is some gangster thug, the entire family will be shamed, maybe into disowning him.

The "crime" is even worse because as an adult male, he is probably considered the "head" of the family or at least one of the more important people in that group. So what he did was even more unforgivable because it is expected that people in his position would exercise more tact and social awareness.

[–]fire_dawn 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is exactly it. I'm Taiwanese and I've heard things thrown around like "your aunt's husband said something rude to your mom and we're not talking to that whole family. Or your other aunt's family, because they didn't defend your mom."

[–]breovus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for this! Yea, someone had pointed me to a response that OP had made that related some of what you are touching on here. It is a different concept for me to think about, so it's been interesting for me to learn more about. Thanks!

[–]MalyKotka 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They answered this already above

[–]fire_dawn 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm from Taiwan, living in America, and I completely understand your husband's response. Trust is difficult to come by in China, and if your husband is in a position of financial power then he is in a position a lot of people are willing to suck up to just to get something out of him. He is 100% correct to cut his financial and personal connection with people he cannot trust. Most others in this sub will not understand the cultural implications of this, but trust is everything in a workplace situation in Chinese culture because of the possibility of backstabbing and betrayal. You do your thing, OP, and don't let all the naysayers in this post sway you.

[–]UmbralMalice 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for this comment, I find it very enlightening.

[–]whenhaiirymetsally 793 ポイント794 ポイント  (81子コメント)

Okay, what the hell, people.

OP's husband gets OP's family jobs they would not have been able to get otherwise. OP's husband gets OP's family housing they would not have been able to get otherwise. It doesn't mean they were destitute to begin with, nor homeless.

OP's family disrespects OP and her husband in a blatant, vicious and cruel manner, in spite of the fact that OP's husband helped them get shit they wouldn't have been permitted to get otherwise because he loves OP.

I think more than one or two of you are looking at this from the perspective of the family losing jobs and housing they fought for themselves at the whim of some cackling, evil overlord. OP's husband was simply revoking the privileges he extended to them when they showed their true colors. They didn't earn those positions in any way. They're not entitled to them.

Arrogance brings regret, always. OP's husband just so happened to be the delivery dude.

ETA: HOLY SHIT I WAKE UP AND HAVE A BILLION REPLIES HELP

Here is where OP first states that her husband hooked her family up (last paragraph). Here's where she states it more plainly/explicitly.

[–]mlwep 315 ポイント316 ポイント  (13子コメント)

dont bite the hand that feeds and they did

[–]whenhaiirymetsally 176 ポイント177 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Shit, they didn't just bite, they tried to take a limb off in my opinion. Calling the guy who basically set you and your family the fuck up a "pig" and his wife a "dumb little cunt" is appalling.

[–]malepornstarama 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (6子コメント)

They? One person said one thing. Now they deserve to have their lives completely fucked for simply being there? What is wrong with you vindictive assholes who want to see people's lives destroyed over nothing?

[–]Uninspiring_Username 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Anyone sane would have called them out as ungrateful idiots. Tittering and saying nothing is validating and agreeing.

Calling someone a dumb little cunt in a manner that implies this is a very common line of conversation to the point it is not shocking to the listeners, is not "nothing".

[–]Brandon23z 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think saying nothing is agreeing, but I totally agree that they are in the wrong for that. They could've said something and still have their jobs that OP gave them.

[–]Riffler 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They sat there and listened, and did nothing; they didn't object, they didn't report the insult, they didn't offer their support or sympathies to OP.

And letting some freeloading asshole call the guy who used his business connections to get you a job a "capitalist pig" - that's pretty fucking hypocritical and stupid.

[–]Jugglernaut 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Destroyed sounds like an exaggeration. And the FIL said the words but the Mother did nothing to disabuse the FIL of his notions. That's betrayal in my book, sorry.

[–]SimonSesameSeedBuns 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

After having actually been in a situation share people are verbally abused in particular myself, in front of others, it makes way way more sense to chop all the dead weight. Even in western culture. We just do it differently.

[–]Nora_Oie 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (4子コメント)

THEY didn't do any such thing! This is irrational by any standard.

[–]papeipou 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A few days ago on a different /r/relationships post, I commented to say how I endured 5yrs of no-contact with my grandmother while she lived in the bedroom beside mine.

What I did not say was that I endured this because I had heard her and my uncle in the kitchen talking shit about my mom, the person who supported/housed them both at the time (uncle did not work for 3yrs at this point, and had been living with us 4-5yrs). I came out of my room, confronted them, and it ended in my uncle moving out and my grandmother not speaking to me for 5yrs.

It is very high in my values to defend what and whom is dear to me. Given the same scenario I would act in the same way, even knowing the fall-out. If the husband holds similar values in high-esteem, then it's only natural that he would turn a cold shoulder to those who let him down on it.

[–]Jonyb222 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The crucial difference here is that they were "evil" by their inaction, they did not defend OP's husband who helped them find jobs and housing, which is a grave insult to him.

[–]tuninggamer 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For me the crucial difference is that OP did not see their reactions throughout the night, she heard nothing she liked, cried and left. Someone may have called the stepdad on his BS later. Without actually knowing for sure if someone steppeed up, it seems a bit harsh to immediately go ahead and fuck people's lives up. If the host of a dinner party makes shitty remarks, I do understand you ought to stand up to that immediately. However, as a college student in my family, I do not always feel quite in my place to criticise family members that are older, more mature, more well established, etc. It really depends on all the intricate relations and the extent to which these jobs and apartments are truly handouts or just suggestions, putting in a good word, and such. This makes it an extremely hard case to judge.

[–]sezrawr 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But like OP said, they allowed the disrespect to happen. In her culture banishment would have been appropriate, but they just let him say that horrible stuff!

[–]JagerJack 200 ポイント201 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah I don't get it either. If I pulled some strings to get a few "friends" jobs, only for those people to laugh about how much of a cunt my wife is and what a "capitalist pig" I am I wouldn't hesitate to take back what I gave them.

Would probably have sweet dreams about it too.

[–]whenhaiirymetsally 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd probably mark it on my calendar and celebrate it with my spouse for every year thereafter.

[–]ManicMuffin 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They call that Bastille day.

[–]hypnofed 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (6子コメント)

OP said that after the original insult that there were "a few chuckles." This could be a party with 5 guests laughing out of 6, or with 2 guests laughing out of 30. Moreover there's a lot going on in this family we don't know about. What we do know is that there are people who hold power and are willing to use it to help or hurt others depending on whether or not they're in favor. Who's to say that someone OP's husband got fired didn't laugh and was absolutely mortified, but knew that speaking up or leaving would have also resulted in some sort of other significant consequences brought on by the stepfather? Is there information that I'm missing?

[–]JagerJack 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Considering that OP's husband asked her to be sure on every detail I'm going to assume they had a decent idea of who deserved to be punished.

What we do know is that there are people who hold power and are willing to use it to help or hurt others depending on whether or not they're in favor.

Calling my wife a cunt and me a capitalist pig is a little more harsh than "not in favor".

Who's to say that someone OP's husband got fired didn't laugh and was absolutely mortified, but knew that speaking up or leaving would have also resulted in some sort of other significant consequences brought on by the stepfather?

Why do you assume that is the case? These people owed their jobs and homes to OP's husband, what could the Stepdad reasonably do on that level?

[–]nickmista 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's not even considering the possibility that it was awkward laughter. If I heard someone say that I think there's probably a good possibility I would give an awkward laugh. I don't know if this is something I do because I'm trying to dismiss what someone says as having no truth behind it and just an attempt at humour, but it definitely happens. I can laugh at something and think it's a wildly inappropriate thing to say.

[–]hypnofed 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's nice to think that any reasonable person would have stood up and firmly proclaimed that his statements were unacceptable. It's also naive. People are emotional creatures and when we're put in uncomfortable situations a lot of us react strangely. I like to think of myself as a stand up guy and I've had more than a few moments where I've stood up for something or someone at an awkward moment. But something this uncomfortable and unexpected and from someone hosting me for dinner would stand a great chance at making me freeze in a what-the-fuck-is-happening kind of way. And frankly, the fact that I'm a guest in this man's house is also extremely relevant. If someone says this in my house, they're going to get the door. If I hear someone say this in their house, then I'm more content to let them be their asshole selves, leave, and not consort with them in the future.

[–]malepornstarama 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

only for those people to laugh about how much of a cunt my wife is and what a "capitalist pig" I am I wouldn't hesitate to take back what I gave them.

No need to make shit up. OP has absolutely no idea who laughed.

[–]dammit_need_account 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (34子コメント)

But did the people who were fired/evicted actually say anything bad, or were they just present for the fiasco? I thought it was only mum/stepdad who said the nasty shit.

[–]chubbylittlesecret 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Their silence was taken as complacency

[–]dammit_need_account 136 ポイント137 ポイント  (11子コメント)

That's... pretty extreme. This level of punishment seems normal if they are the Sopranos or something.

[–]chubbylittlesecret 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (2子コメント)

As far as I can tell, OP's husband is the Sopranos, yes

[–]Triplebizzle87 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seems like it. OP's husband doesn't sound like a person I'd like to cross.

[–]Similartoapenis 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (6子コメント)

This isn't in a Western society. Respect is a big thing in China, which I assume is where OP is from. The silence of people whom OP's husband helped is a huge sign of disrespect. The reactions from OP and her husband are justified when you don't think of it like it's happening in the USA or Western Europe.

[–]dragoness_leclerq 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Respect is a big thing in China,

Ok but then couldn't it be argued that the dinner guests were also concerned about being disrespectful toward the person whose home they were in at the time?

[–]Similartoapenis 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, technically yes. But it seems that in the family, the OP's husband is the one that has the most power and therefore the most respect. The stepfather being disrespectful towards him should have been called out by those present, and because it wasn't- they were punished. The OP's husband helped a lot of the family out, and their respect should be given to him- not the stepfather.

EDIT: punished not present

[–]superhobo666 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not actually, its how things are in any professional environment. If you witness rule breaking but don't report it and get found out you can also be punished as an accessory depending how severe the infraction is.

[–]hypnofed 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (3子コメント)

As for whether it was taken as complacency, it absolutely was. Whether or not it should be is a different matter.

There's very little information here. OP barely knows who was there or not, much less who laughed and didn't. Two things are pretty clear to me:

  1. There are people in this family, both sides, who hold power over others.

  2. People in this family who hold power over others are willing to exercise it to help or hurt those who they hold in favor, or don't.

How do you know that the people who didn't laugh were complacent? Is there information that eliminates the possibility they were mortified but feared consequences from OP's stepfather if they said anything? And OP admits that she left immediately after this. Do we somehow know that none of the people present who didn't speak up chose instead simply to leave at the next opportunity? By no means am I a confrontational person, so this is what I would have done. Do you have information here that I haven't seen yet?

Moreover, she said that a few people chuckled without any sense of scale. That could be six guests with five of them laughing. It could also be 25 guests with two of them laughing. Extremely different situations, and in the latter case it seems quite likely that the people fired could have simply been collateral damage.

[–]chubbylittlesecret 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Whoa ok mate. I'm not condoning any of the behaviour described in any /r/relationships thread. Just clarifying.

[–]hypnofed 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was piggybacking on your comment. Not arguing with it. Take my "you" as second-person narrative.

[–]chubbylittlesecret 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah good. We're cool man we're cool

[–]fire_dawn 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (15子コメント)

The OP said they all laughed.

[–]DragonflyGrrl 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (11子コメント)

She said there "was laughter".. I'd bet that most of it was nervous uncomfortable laughter, which is what a lot of people do when they're at someone's house and their host says something fucked up. I'd also bet one or two people just sat in shocked silence. And they don't know who is who. You would hope that someone would say something in their defense, but the sad truth is most people wouldn't.

While I understand the reaction, and I admire his decisiveness, I think some of it was misdirected. Should have eased back a little on the chopping block.

[–]fire_dawn 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately since this was relayed in a translation AND on the Internet, there is no way of knowing what the tone of laughter was. Although, I think it's important to note that these sorts of familial get-togethers are VERY frequent. In my Taiwanese culture, if I don't eat with my parents and my in-laws at least once a month, they start asking where I've been, and we all live in the United States. If it's happening that frequently with the same group of people (ie. if husband and OP know this is happening monthly), and they all just sweep it under the rug or laugh every time and continue to show up to these dinners, that may be construed as a serious insult as well.

Alas, in the absence of more evidence of tone that's as far as we can speculate, I guess.

[–]hypnofed 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

She said there "was laughter".. I'd bet that most of it was nervous uncomfortable laughter, which is what a lot of people do when they're at someone's house and their host says something fucked up.

Not even. Exact quote:

The question about our absence was casually directed to our mother, and my stepdad cuts in with the line in the title. He said, exactly, "Yes, where is the pig and his dumb little cunt?". There were some chuckles and my mother answers "Your son-in-law is sick", in a mildly chastising tone. She turned the topic to something else.

There were "some chuckles." For all we know there were 20 guests, 2 of whom laughed nervously because they didn't know what else to do when a powerful man made a wholly inappropriate joke in his own home, and the other 18 sat in stunned silence. It's also possible that some of them didn't object but instead left at the next opportunity. We have no idea because OP didn't hang around.

[–]DragonflyGrrl 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm not sure what your point was, that's pretty much what I was saying.

[–]dammit_need_account 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sometimes people laugh to relieve tension. That's not enough to fire/evict someone over.

[–]fire_dawn 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree. I'm from a very similar culture (Taiwan, now in United States), and I would say in China one of the costs of doing business is that you have to build trust. Absolute trust is important because of the costs of betrayal and backstabbing in business. You cannot continue to employ people or have a business connection to people who you know you cannot trust there or you will get completely screwed later. Their way of doing business is cutthroat and insane and you just have to be on your toes like this ALL the time and make ruthless decisions simply to survive in business, and these people got all their privileges from him anyhow.

Edited to add: I don't personally agree with doing business this way. Ethically I believe it's wrong, but it's also why I and everyone in my family do not do business in China. At all. And never will.

[–]malepornstarama 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No she didn't, don't make things up.

[–]malepornstarama 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So they deserve to lose their jobs and homes for simply being at a dinner where someone said something mean? What is wrong with you people?

[–]IdontSparkle 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

OP's husband helped them get shit they wouldn't have been permitted to get otherwise because he loves OP.

Nowhere op mentions any of that. She said that he was a highlty ranked official in China and highly ranked people there can destroy the life ofmore miserable people by using and abusing of their political influence. This would not be legal anywhere else. Until OP makes it clear that her husband actually had her relatives hired and hosted, i think there is abuse.

[–]MoneyIssues21 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (14子コメント)

OP where are you from? I take it you are not in the USA or Canada?

[–]justwantcuddles[S] 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I'm Chinese.

[–]evilbuddha 150 ポイント151 ポイント  (11子コメント)

If you live in China, I can understand the response. People in relatively high positions can make the lives of family miserable if they show disrespect.

[–]justwantcuddles[S] 122 ポイント123 ポイント  (10子コメント)

You are right. I know it is not this way in Western countries.

[–]evilbuddha 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I agree. It is not the same in western countries and folks here have to understand that the culture in China is way different. Stuff like this happen in China. Question: did your husband help your family members in getting jobs and housing? Makes me wonder how he was able to get them all fired and evicted just like that.

[–]daviannamorgan 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She said this in her OP:

He has helped specific family members that were not at the dinner party, and could take that all away on a whim.

He did it.

[–]justwantcuddles[S] 132 ポイント133 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes he did help them get the jobs and housing. Good jobs, and preferred housing which can be very hard to get.

[–]Lushington 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Makes sense then. Even in western culture, if you horribly insult someone who got you a job with his influence, you can expect to lose it again.

That is important context.

[–]mes09 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I can see how some people didn't understand the context and are being a bit unfair towards OP's husband.

For example my brother-in-law has done similar things like give someone a temporary job for a few months where he could to help them out. I remember him feeling betrayed when one of these guys was going behind his back and complaining he wasn't paid enough to deal with the job, so my BiL told him to go find a real job instead of a pity job.

[–]Yutwooo 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except the people who got fired and evicted weren't even there, let alone the one doing the insulting. I think you'd find it rather shocking if you were fired from your job because your father attended a dinner party where your job reference was insulted by a third party.

[–]soshesayshuh 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man, I totally guessed it!

[–]wicked4u 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would be very interested in an update to see what they do to try to make amends (if they do) and what your reaction to their attempt will be. I am american an do not familiar with the intrecasise of your culture and am now very interested in how this will be resolved.

[–]MrSnap 132 ポイント133 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Actually, I really like this story because it is a relationship problem in a completely different culture. If you consider the whole context of the situation, getting your in-laws fired and evicted from their housing that was provided for by the husband, it almost seems proportional.

I don't think I would have acted the same, but I'm not living in China. The husband seems very level-headed given the situation and not a raving lunatic.

Thanks OP for giving us this unique story on /r/relationships

[–]wimmywam 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I am so glad I live in a country with actual labour laws, where you can't be fired just for being present at a dinner party where some off hand personal insult was made by someone else.
That anyone could think that seems "proportional" blows my mind.

[–]MrSnap 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well, in China, everything is based on relationships. You have no job without relationships. By damaging the relationship, you're in breach of the social contract, and you make it a fireable offense.

I'm not saying it's right. It's just the way things work there.

[–]wimmywam 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

By being present at a dinner where SOMEONE ELSE said something. And you think that's a proportional response.

[–]N0_Soliciting 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget you're also guilty if you are related to someone who witnessed someone say something mean.

[–]MrSnap 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

By Western values, no. By Chinese values, probably.

The bystanders were complicit in the loss of face. It's probably actually a dangerous situation for the husband if someone were to hear his in-laws talking about him like that. He probably has no choice to respond.

Again, I am just speculating. But it's hard to judge something without the larger context.

[–]Insanelopez 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't know where you live, but most states in the US are "at will" states, meaning your employment can be terminated at any time for any reason. I see posts sometimes on reddit where people complain about being fired and everyone is like "This is America, they can't just do that! Get a lawyer!" When in actuality their termination was perfectly legal and they don't have a leg to stand on.

[–]wimmywam 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't live in America (thankfully) as I said I live somewhere that has laws to protect a workers rights and where you can't simply be fired on your employers whim (or because a friend of your employer had their feelings hurt at a dinner party).

[–]mettalica_101 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But the opposite side it's a lot harder for you to gain a job and preferred housing just from knowing someone. It's easy getting in and getting out by the looks of it

[–]imanalias 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Level headed? To get people fired and evicted from their apartments because they overheard a rude comment? That's scary you could call that level headed.

[–]LobsterManFightClub 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know how much advice we can give you. I think there is a very large cultural gap between you and most of the posters here on r/relationships. I know I can't empathize with your husband's reaction. It seems very extreme.

Just try to not do anything that you or he will regret 6 months down the line.

[–]Doughchild 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Was this the straw that broke the camels back or something? It sounds like there might be a reason that your husband is not respected by your family. Not that you deserved to be called names, but the underlying emotions of resentment and feeling controlled might come from there.

It's also odd that he made this decision to fire all without talking to you aobut these consequences. Why was your opinion not asked if it was a good idea to fire them? Or did you agree? Does he make all the decisions in the marriage and you just go along with it, or is this separating business and private? The punishment seems excessive for the crime.

What the posters expected from the last thread was that your family would contact you for an apology after you issued them with that demand. Or that you just would ignore them for a bit. The part of the jobs you didn't include in your story, which is why everyone now seems confused about your husbands actions.

[–]justwantcuddles[S] 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (9子コメント)

My husband was kind at all times. It may be that they resented him for his help.

He asked me what I thought should happen, I told him I was very upset. He makes the decisions after consulting me, but this was disrespectful to him just as much as me.

Thank you for your explanation. I understand why this might be shocking in that case. When I said helped in my first post I meant jobs and preferred housing.

[–]Upallnight88 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What is bothersome to me is your step dad casually calling your husband a pig and you a cunt only caused a mild reaction at the dinner table. That makes me wonder if they have talked this way about the two of you many times before and everyone is desensitized to the language. I really think that when you talk to your mother you should pursue that line of questioning.

[–]geoelectric 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that's exactly why everybody there has been blamed.

[–]makegr666 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like your husband, he help when he can, and he cuts out everything when he's offended. That's the way everyone should act, and there would not be more bullshit in this world.

[–]OnlyWantsToGame 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I understand the cultural difference here. Your husband made a strong move and it shows that type of behavior is completely unacceptable. He just taught those people a harsh lesson in manners.

[–]OceanGoingSoul 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanking my lucky stars I am not Chinese!

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_CHESTHAMS 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your husband is boss.

[–]Bam121 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'll go against the grain and say what your husband did was exactly right. He helped them out and you both were mocked then laughed at, resend the help he offered to those who did it and let them deal with the consequences of disrespecting someone who helps them. Why should he help people who treat him so poorly when he's not around? If I walked in on family or my wife's family and overheard them mocking me and my wife in the same way, I'd pull the support I gave them to get jobs and preferred housing too, I'd then never deal with them again.

[–]CriticalCold 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree. Hell, if my completely unrelated to me boss overheard someone saying something like that and the rest of the guests laughing, you can bet there'd be some consequences. Why should family be different?

[–]no_user_names_left 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (5子コメント)

ITT people not understanding every country is not America.

[–]dianaprince 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's some irony in that comment considering that not everyone in this thread is American. I'm not for one.

I think people are just seeing it as an excessive and unfair reaction to the other people who were there. The fact that it's culturally acceptable in China to do this doesn't make it above reproach.

[–]zahsome 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

i just don't understand why everyone but the stepdad was punished.

[–]no_user_names_left 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The way it's likely to have gone down is that the husband arranged for the 3 family members to get the jobs and for the 2 members to get the priority housing. The angry husband giveth, the angry husband taketh away. The rest of the families punishment is the silent treatment until a written apology is received (this is a pretty damn big deal btw). Familiar units are much, much more integral in Chinese culture than in the 'West', the stepdads disrespectful behaviour (and the fact that the party guests didn't shun him for it) means it is normal for them all to be punished by proxy.

[–]smackdatbooty 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I also would like to assume that by firing the other family members,the fired people will pressured the stepfather to issue an apology.

[–]Iamnotahulahoop 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's some swift and aggressive action your hubby took, remind me not to piss him off.

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    [–]stephiej17 176 ポイント177 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    I personally agree and thought "What in the ACTUAL fuck!" when reading this.. but you need to keep in mind cultural differences here.

    Sounds like OP is from China.

    [–]sukinsyn 135 ポイント136 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    She is. [Which actually makes this whole story take on a completely different tone, and makes his reaction seem much more reasonable.]

    [–]stephiej17 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I thought my family problems were bad. My brother deleted me from Facebook lol.

    Can't imagine this in Canada.

    [–]Its_Lloyd 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Glad I don't live there.

    [–]sukinsyn 115 ポイント116 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I don't know. OP's husband was responsible for getting these people their jobs and housing, and disrespect is a big deal in China. The idea of laughing or just staying silent while someone calls the guy who got you your job or your house a pig and insulting his wife is just...unfathomable to me.

    [–]ssstonerella 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    And as OP explained in the first post, they meant pig as in "capitalist" pig. So they made use of his "capitalist" self and got jobs and apartments, then talk shit about him behind his back.

    [–]respectyourprivilege 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It's a little depressing to think that the western approach to hearing someone who has helped you or a close friend being insulted is "I shouldn't say anything in case they pick on me next or it makes it awkward". A society where people actually have your back sounds good to me.

    [–]audiboth 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I dunno what western approach you're used to. The one I'm used to hearing that is "I'm not going to bother saying anything because why waste air on this person?" It's not fear or awkwardness. It's a complete lack of concern with the opinion expressed. For me, if someone talks shit about me I shrug and ignore it usually. Anyone who matters will know the truth, and those who don't will have to decide what they believe of me based on their own interactions with me or I don't care about their opinion either. Good people usually can tell when someone is badmouthing.

    [–]respectyourprivilege 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't know. I think that higher road is often a scapegoat for being too afraid to act. If someone sat there and insulted your kids or partner most people would step up and say something. In China that feeling extends towards the whole family and further. From a personal perspective its a disrespect towards you who is associated with the person being insulted too.

    [–]17th_knight 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Bingo

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      [–]justwantcuddles[S] 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (38子コメント)

      Interesting response. Everyone in the other thread told me to tell him and that he has a right to stop helping them. I agreed with them and still do.

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        [–]Upallnight88 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Due to the culture I'm sure everyone knew what would happen to them if they insulted the SIL, but they did it anyhow. They're responsible for their own fate.

        [–]Swifty63 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        I can't say I agree. These people were hired and housed on OP's husband's word, and that connection could well sustain them in their places. His good will seems pretty important. They were foolish to endanger that.

        This isn't monstrous, not at all. True, it would make no sense in mainstream American culture to act this way. But that is because we put small value on personal honor and dignity. We treat personal insults as matters to be ignored, "risen above," and not as grave offenses. A person who reacts strongly to insult is said to be "thin-skinned." But this isn't universal. I think it's actually a sign of American cultural decadence.

        [–]MariacheMustache 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Decadence? Or our general fool heartiness? Or maybe our general reputation of forward boldness?

        I like your point. I never really thought about it before. But disagree with your final conclusion/point about why Americans usually "rise above".

        America was built by people on the bottom. It was made on the backs outcasted religions, prisoners (GA began as a prison colony), slaves, debters, whores, and adventerers.

        After all, we did say " give us your poor, your desperate, your hungry."

        The thing is-- reputations or personal honor have never meant all that much here. We are a country of ordinary men and women. It's kind of our thing.

        "Well you're a bastard!"

        "well, maybe I am. But I have a particular set of skills, knowledge, and ambition. Your personal opinion has no bearing on my successes in life."

        We have a " pull yourself up by the bootstraps" mentality, at least where I'm from. It's more born out of hearty rugged stubbornness. You can call someone a name, but you can't take away their accomplishments, their drive, or their personal experiences away with that.

        [–]Swifty63 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Hmm. Well, dueling was pretty big in the U.S. before the Civil War. Remember that Aaron Burr shot Hamilton in a duel, and that Andrew Jackson also shot a man in a duel. Abraham Lincoln was also challenged to a duel before he entered politics. So there was something of an honor-based culture once. It wasn't limited to the top tiers of society (not that Lincoln or Jackson were really top tier). The Hatfields and McCoys really did have a feud going.

        Then there's the immigrant story. Of course, immigrant groups did form gangs. Honor and respect are pretty big things in gangs.

        I don't know what changed, exactly. It's true that we have this story that our skills and knowledge are the reason we get ahead, here in America. I don't believe that story myself, at least, it's only a part of why people succeed (and not the majority part, either). But we do have a culture in which enough people can get by and get ahead without the need to protect personal honor that we generally don't think it is important.

        It is a luxury that we don't have to protect our dignity as much, that we can tell ourselves that we get ahead on our own merits. It is a luxury we enjoy due to U.S. global dominance, and it is a sign of our cultural softness. Or so I believe. You may, of course, disagree; I've offered no conclusive evidence.

        [–]Nora_Oie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Not really. Not if the only thing keeping them employed is his goodwill and patronage. They are replaceable, and the next bunch, not being so friendly with OP's family may be less entitled and more loyal, up to the standards of reddit and OP. But lots of carnage, Symbolically, in the aftermath

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          [–]solarpoweredhuman 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (17子コメント)

          Her husband got them the jobs and the housing. They treated OP and her husband (directly or by proxy) like shit so he took away what he did. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

          [–]okctoss 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (15子コメント)

          No. some of the people punished simply committed the offense of....being family members of people who were at the dinner party. That is fucking ridiculous.

          [–]solarpoweredhuman 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          They were punished for being disloyal. They chose to be loyal to the stepdad rather than loyal to OP's husband.

          In addition, the actions & words of the people OP's husband pulled strings to get jobs for will reflect directly back on OP's husband. These people made it clear that their loyalty is not with OP's husband so he can no longer trust them. Therefore they no longer have those jobs.

          Honor & loyalty still matter a lot in some parts of the world.

          [–]ssstonerella 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          It's cultural. Ridiculous by Western standards, maybe.

          [–]Tshirtdance 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          No the step father did, the guests could have been sitting there in stunned silence.

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            [–]sirshartsalot 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Why? If I have the power to give jobs to whomever I choose, I'll give them to non-scumbags.

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              [–]Tsany 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              The main problem with brandishing your wealth and power as a bargaining chip over friends and family is that ultimately, you'll end up surrounded by sycophants and yes men. You'll never know if your friends and family are truly loyal and loving.... or if they're just scared of you.

              Frankly, after something like this, it would be pretty damned difficult to win back any kind of genuine sentiments from these people.

              You're setting yourself up for a very lonely, paranoid life.

              [–]fire_dawn 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              From a Chinese culture and I can tell you that this is the exact problem that breeds future generations like this with clan feuds and "don't hire that bitch, her father insulted me that one time" shit for generations to come.

              [–]skeetch_a_leak 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              OP's mom didn't bristle when her husband called her daughter a cunt. They were already fake ass sycophants and yes men, when he'd only offered his power to help them.

              [–]JagerJack 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Damn son. I mean some people here are saying your husband was too harsh, but I guess that's what happens when you talk shit about people with power over you.

              [–]seldor 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Gets called a cunt.

              Retaliates by acting like a huge fucking cunt.

              Yep, makes sense.

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                [–]SketchyHawkins 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                If the family can't respect the people that got them a their shit he is more than rightful to take it away.

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                  [–]zahsome 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (43子コメント)

                  What the hell???

                  Why would your husband get people fired?????? As far as I read in your last post, they didn't even have anything to do with what your stepdad called you. They were just there.

                  This seems like a huge over reaction on his part, where you guys could have just gone and confronted your stepdad. Not fuck up peoples living situations and their jobs. That's crazy.

                  [–]justwantcuddles[S] 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (40子コメント)

                  I think it might be cultural? Often when someone does something poorly it is part of our culture to judge the family as well. Also, they laughed.

                  [–]samababa 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  sometimes i laugh out of nervousness when i'm in an uncomfortable situation. these people weren't necessarily laughing at you and your husband, but i guess there's no way to know for sure at this point.

                  [–]ROADKILLTACO 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Keep your eyes down lest you offend him next

                  [–]zahsome 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  that's scary.

                  [–]takvertheseawitch 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                  Also, they laughed.

                  Just cause for eviction right there (no it isn't)

                  [–]IMissMamasBorsch 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  Why it is not? I'm Russian but still think it's pretty normal reaction. I would do the same if people I helped suddenly start badmouthing me and my wife. OR listen to this stuff and laugh. Adult people should know that offense can be made by doing something or NOT doing.

                  [–]pewdypie_ 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  I think you're coming from a completely different cultural standpoint, which is understandable. I'm Singaporean Chinese (kind of understand why the responses in this sub are so divided), so while I think his response would otherwise have been very excessive in a western environment, it suits the situation at hand.

                  We all know about the concept of "face" in Asian cultures, but you don't realize exactly how important it is. My friend (first gen immigrant from China) tells us about how important it is not to seem weak. So for example, if a waiter at a restaurant screws you over and apologizes, you can't just accept his apology. You're expected to berate him or punish him in some way. Otherwise you're weak and people see you as someone to be walked over and bullied.

                  Granted, I feel that eviction was a little extreme, but I would think if he had a lot of power, for him to do anything "less" would have shown him in a worse light in society.

                  /edit: I feel like I should state that this is given from first hand accounts of friends born and raised in China. I can't speak for the culture being uniform across the entire country, because China is pretty damn big. Also, I could be completely wrong and OP's husband is just a megalomaniac on an ego trip. I am just stating what I have heard from first-hand accounts and making assumptions. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

                  [–]TROPtastic[🍰] 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Just cause for eviction from a house the husband bought for them? Probably

                  [–]MiracleOwl 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  There OR directly related to people who were there. And who may or may not have laughed. Or may or may not have been in the bathroom or something at the time.

                  [–]zahsome 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  so that makes it okay to get them fired and lose their homes??? i didn't see any repercussions to the stepdad, the dude who caused this entire problem, in this post at all.

                  [–]Ethelmethyl 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I am glad that you are at peace with the situation. I am very sorry that you had to hear and experience such a cruel exchange. To accidentally overhear something terrible said about you when someone doesn't know you can hear it can sometimes be even more painful than being insulted to one's face.. As just one young woman to another, aside from all cultural differences; I truly hope that you and your Husband receive the sincere apology that you both deserve, and that you can once again find trust and peace within your family.

                  Also, thank you for taking the time to teach us a bit about Chinese culture! The idea of a 'collectivist society' is undoubtedly something unusual for a member of an 'individualist society' to fathom, even if we had previously read about the terms in school. But this is what's great and what I love most about Reddit: I can regularly communicate with people from all over the world, and I can learn about other cultures from the people who are actually part of them!

                  [–]spacestrut 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Wow, your husband holds a lot of power. I can't relate very well to the situation and it's outcome, but I'm glad he stood up for you. I'm also glad he expected you to stand up for yourself.

                  [–]patchworkfuckface 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Good update. Good drama in this thread, too.

                  I don't feel sorry for a bunch of cunts losing jobs or housing. They wouldn't have had any of that shit without OP's hubby. Whether they laughed or not is beside the point. They should've stood up for the guy that improved their lives, and not bit their tongues to avoid confrontation or worse, went along with the stepdad's faggotry by having a chuckle.

                  Fuck them. Your husband handled this like a pro

                  [–]kr0kodil 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  He only punished people who were guaranteed to be at the dinner party or directly related to those who were

                  This is the part I'm getting stuck on. Did your husband destroy the livelihood of someone simply because they are related to a person who was present at a dinner party where you were insulted? As in, he had your cousin fired/evicted because your uncle was there?

                  Because that shit's crazy.

                  [–]skeetch_a_leak 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Did her husband provide the livelihood of someone simply because they were related to a person who happens to be part of his wife's family? As in, he had her cousin hired/housed because her uncle asked?

                  Still sound crazy?

                  [–]N0_Soliciting 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yes it still sounds crazy because it's not punishing the person who did anything wrong! This line of thinking is vindictive as fuck, and bit terrifying.

                  [–]I_am_jacks_reddit 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  If there is a written apology please give us another update.

                  [–]Saladface89 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  撒娇

                  [–]littlemacca 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Update again when you know more! I really hope you get that apology letter!

                  [–]Rampachs 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I think a big thing about the remark and the reaction from the people at the table is important. It sounded like this was nothing out of the ordinary. So not only did the people at the table allow this once, but multiple times. They allowed someone who helped them get jobs/ living arrangements be disrespected and laughed about while they aren't there.

                  I think within the context it is a reasonable response OP.

                  [–]Mur-cie-lago 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  8/10 troll, good read though.

                  [–]HunnyB06 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  If this man really did kick people out on the street and take away their source of income for simply being there when this happend then I'd say you're stepfather's insults were well deserved.

                  [–]EthErealist 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Justice porn at its finest.

                  [–]Throway99038 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Damn your husband's a badass. They picked on the wrong guy. Do update.

                  [–]arghhmonsters 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I live in Australia but from an Asian background. Your husbands reaction is extreme over here but £ understand why he did it. To be in a position such as his, he has to be shown that he won't put up with the bullshit. He has his own career to worry about as well as face. Can't have this getting out with no one being punished.

                  [–]tuff_gusty 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Wow, not sure if the punishment fits the crime here, hopefully your husband can get people their jobs back if and when they make restitution? I guess it's good that you have each other's backs on this issue. There are way too many stories about significant others who refuse to stand up to jerk family members in this subreddit.

                  [–]CrawstonWaffle 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I'm throwing my support with /u/justwantcuddles and her husband on this one. If I were in a position of authority and heard people I had personally helped refer to me that way, I would do the same. They may not have been his sub-ordinates, but you do not bite the hand that feeds you that brazenly nor publicly.

                  [–]sregginkcuf 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Your husbands a fucking G

                  [–]ZaraMikazuki 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Uh.....I understand that the initial behavior was really rude, but the husband's reaction is way extreme. At least in a Westernized/American context. But if this happened in a non-Western country....then maybe the behavior makes more sense in that context (though I wouldn't know). But now I'm curious - are you in the Western World, OP? Or is this a family business, where the husband is a higher-up or something, and as such had the actual ability to fire them at will? Or was it really abusing business connections?

                  One small thing I can agree with is that you probably shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you. If the husband helped them all get jobs and housing.....badmouthing him (or even being a bystander to that) is a shit idea. Doesn't change that this is would be seen as an overreaction outside of China.

                  EDIT: I saw that you are Chinese. If this happened in China, then this makes way more sense. The whole family-angle is far more hardcore than in the West.

                  [–]ttaku 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Woah slinging around that guanxi right there.

                  [–]RocheCoach 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I think it's a little extreme, but your husband has every right. Sleep well knowing that your husband is not to be fucked with. Holy shit.

                  [–]KennVal 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Holy shit, I did NOT see that coming. Your husband goes for the neck!

                  [–]johnnythornton 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I don't think that was judicious, I think that was excessive. Some people curse more than they should. Have you never said something cruel behind someone else's back? Oh well, it's done now.

                  [–]kegor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Goddam. OP's hubby is The Terminator.

                  [–]AllowMe2Retort 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Are you sure about the accuracy of your "dumb cunt" translation? I'm bilingual in English and Spanish, and I know that even between those comparatively close languages the severity of insults are very difficult to translate.

                  In English "dumb cunt" is probably the worst thing you can call a woman (short of including more specific personal insults), and it seems very odd to me that someone would say something that bad about a close family member at a dinner party.

                  [–]LoneKharnivore 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Holy shit. What the fuck? Someone was a bit mean to you so you ensured that at least three other people lost their livelihoods? What if they have families? How will they feed their spouses and children? You've punished people way, way beyond the one who actually insulted you.

                  Sounds like your husband is indeed an entitled bourgeois pig.

                  [–]Lv2Drum 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  did you miss the part were her mother (despite laughing at her own husband calling her own daughter a "dumb little cunt" with no remorse) immediately tried to use her SIL to use his position of authority for help...

                  [–]UrGoing2LuvMyNuts 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Your whole family, including you and your husband, sound like a bunch of spiteful assholes.

                  Assuming the story is true, of course.