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[–]LordCrowe 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Furthermore, fuck, fuck, the idea of Eve or any other character experiencing childbirth.

No, that's PERFECT theme! If you really wanted to make it dark, give it a subtext of "The labour of your Dad's love.", THAT would be fucked up! But just the child birth? It's uncomfortable enough of a topic to fit into the Isaac theme.

and again it's thematically related to sex.

Actually I think it's supposed to be the opposite of Whore of Babylon sort of.

[–]lightningrod14 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Dude, there's a difference between "purposefully avoiding any filter to promote free expression of a controversial topic" and "let's do this to be fucked up and for shock value."

[–]LordCrowe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except they're not promoting any sort of free expression? It's just a nasty game made by the same people that made that nasty game called meat boy. The entire game is based about terribleness, I mean if we're talking about a goddamn shock value then that still isn't half as bad as womb/utero, that level is just plain nasty. And have you see Lord of the Flies' inside of the mouth? Jesus fucking christ no, just no.

There is no 'shock value' here, it's all about making an awesome game about terrible shit.

[–]DoomZero755 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I mean if we're talking about a goddamn shock value then that still isn't half as bad as womb/utero, that level is just plain nasty.

... You... think that the womb level is more disgusting than the idea of a male, 5-8 year old child giving birth. Children giving birth. Men giving birth. And it's treated as a power up. As something desirable.

Look, I get it, it's just a game. It's all purely fictional. But there's a line. Of course there is a line.

And have you see Lord of the Flies' inside of the mouth? Jesus fucking christ no, just no.

Bugs inside the mouth of a monster vs children giving birth.

[–]tehe10293847 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Having dark themes in a game is one thing, but having young children giving birth... That's a whole other thing that doesn't belong in this game, or any game... Or anywhere else in the world today.

[–]LordCrowe 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm sorry, are we still talking about a game where a child is tormented emotionally and mentally to the point that they commit suicide through suffocation because they were led to believe they are inherently evil? The same game where in one of the endings a child hangs themselves using a noose? Same game that basically makes fun of child birth defects and mutations, including but not limited to Harlequin-type ichthyosis? A game that makes fun of a failed abortion? Do you think that stuff is not important? It's funny? Not serious? That somehow that was too much because it's just not cool, but all this is fine because it's not so bad, right? Depression is a joke, isn't it? Suicide is fun! Birth defects that lead to gruesome and cruel death are pretty awesome, aren't they?

You have a fucked up moral compass if you consider all of this merely a 'dark theme'.

[–]tehe10293847 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No. You said that it was a dark theme.

If you really wanted to make it dark,

Either way, those are all dark ideas in dark themes. I wasn't joking about any of this though, I'm sorry that I angered you over a misunderstanding of what I wrote. Do you think that the phrase dark theme doesn't fit, or isn't strong enough for this game?

I also personally think that a line must be drawn somewhere, and imo it's been drawn somewhere around there.

Very sorry if I've personally offended you ): (no sarcasm, even tho it looks like it)

[–]LordCrowe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Having dark themes in a game is one thing, but having young children giving birth...

From what you wrote you sounded like you meant something else by 'Dark theme', I was thinking along the lines that for you there's 'dark' and then 'grimdark', what angered me is that you downplayed everything else in the game, as if all the content was just a breeze in the park. So no, the way you used dark theme does not fit since you had a different definition, or are you implying child giving birth is not dark? Is it light in that case?

And the line has been crossed multiple times, again, if you didn't look through pink glasses at the game you'd realize half the content you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy.

[–]tehe10293847 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is such a weird and philosophical discussion... Honestly, I'd prefer not to "look through the pink glasses," and just focus on the gameplay and community of BoIR.

If I had to answer your question, I guess that children giving birth is "grimdark" as you put it, and the rest is "dark," but idk man if I write something out I can never fully write what I mean/see in my mind.