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Confession: I loved season 3 (self.HouseOfCards)

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[–]ReihEhcsaSlaSthcin 133 ポイント134 ポイント  (51子コメント)

I couldn't agree more. Really annoyed with how much people in this sub are misunderstanding the season. Season 1 and 2 were his rise to power, and the change in tone is because Frank is president now and the show is about his fall, not his rise now.

I just read a comment where someone said Frank was "Too emotional" this season. Really? He's the President and he has much more pressure on him than before. Another comment said Frank seemed like he was running out of options and wasn't planning like normal. Well no shit, that's the point of the fall. It's called House of Cards for a reason.

It's beginning to look like the majority of the sub is broken down into two groups: People who overanalyze the story and find something wrong with everything, and people with short attention spans who don't understand complex plotlines and found the season boring and the change in tone confusing.

I'm in it for the story; I don't care how Netflix tells it as long as they don't make people go too out of character which, despite what a lot of people are saying, they have not done. I used to like this subreddit and I hate to see it devolve into another show subreddit full of people shitting on the show instead of enjoying it.

[–]Kautiontape 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree. The most disappointing thing to me is people complaining about Doug and Rachel, not realizing how important it was to show Doug going through all these major decisions and still choosing Frank. Even if you felt the story was fine but dragged on, I feel like that was the whole point: the whole season, he should have abandoned Frank. But he's incredibly loyal, and willing to go to the ends of the earth just to make Frank happy. He went deep into addiction when he first heard Rachel died, but ended up coming back and doing the deed himself JUST to please Frank.

Meanwhile, he expects the same from people like Remi and Claire, who realize they need better. He is losing control of his people. Yes, he's not running around being a stone-cold killer making brilliant plays to outsmart fake-Putin. But that's because he met his match with Russia, and he's simultaneously pushing away the people who could help him.

I really liked this season. Definitely a departure from the first two. Definitely not as exciting and action-packed. But it overall felt more cohesive, with one story running all the way through (instead of one major story and a few small ones that stretch a handful of episodes like the last seasons). And watching these characters act like people instead of whatever they represented is a nice departure. People are allowed to dislike it, but don't blame the writing or claim that they messed up, just accept it's written for a different type of person.

[–]DNMThrowawayyfoe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just really hope they keep going in this "Political Opera" tone. Unfortunately, it didn't seem to resonate with a lot of people, which I hate because I really really loved it.

[–]noodlekins 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes, also remember when Frank rose to power in Season 1 and 2, he alienated and pissed off everyone else on the way up. Nobody likes him, they know he is sleazy, and he has no friends, except for his 2 soldiers, Seth and Remy in the office, and occasionally Claire. Not one of his friends with money outside of the White House entertained him when he wanted funding for Amworks. Can you imagine nobody entertaining the President of the United States of America, the leader of the free world? He is all alone at the top with a whole of pressure to remain at the top and everyone else is trying to tear him down. He figured the only way to remain as President is to appeal to the American people, try to win their hearts and votes, like declassifying the drone files, which will hopefully change the minds of the leadership. So, not much manipulation he can do here in Season 3.

[–]Th3taNu821 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You forgot to mention his number one soldier..

[–]spectralconfetti 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, so did Frank for most of the season.

[–]DNMThrowawayyfoe 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems like more of a hazard at this point. As much as I love the guy. There's just too much bad juju.

[–]ed2rummy 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

overanalyzing the complex plotlines this season made it so much more interesting though. I loved this season. The subtlety of Petrov destroying Frank as a man by lobotomizing the relation Frank had with Claire.

Franks downfall did not happen with a big fire but rather a small one. It was so subtle that people did not even pick up on it.

This season they went far and wide to show how flawed Democracy is in America, how the president does not really have Power.

This season was phenomenal when you over analyze what lead to his downfall. I guess nobody learned anything from dissecting all those Shakespeare bokks in high school.

[–]Polite_LlamaSeason 3 (Complete) 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm a fan of the show and I enjoyed this season, but I don't think it's fair to dismiss criticisms or opinions of the show with "It's a complex story, just enjoy it." Because there are some things about this season that weren't as entertaining as the previous seasons.

For myself, I set very high expectations of what this season should bring, and this season just didn't deliver. I felt there wasn't enough satisfying payouts for many of the story lines, and I was left feeling underwhelmed by many of the events. The main climax of the season is Claire declaring she's leaving him, and For someone like me who wasn't a fan of Claire this season, it's not enough to leave me satisfied until the next season when I can finally see what that brings.

There also was very little of Frank breaking the fourth wall this season, which for me set the show apart and gave a lot of last season's best moments for me.

[–]MsLotusLane 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think a majority of the fourth wall breaks were when he was feeling confident and wanting to share his expertise on reading a situation or handling a situation. Seemed like most of this season he was struggling to stay ahead of the game so there were far fewer instances of that sort of mood.

I half expected Doug to start doing it, actually. Would have been an interesting way to show the shift in who was building up his own power this season. I guess that might have taken it too far though, implying it's his story now, which it isn't.

[–]RIC_FLAIR-WOOO 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was struggling to stay ahead because everytime he built any momentum, Claire came along with a bulldozer and wiped out everthing.

[–]all_thetimeSeason 2 (Complete) 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Another comment said Frank seemed like he was running out of options and wasn't planning like normal. Well no shit, that's the point of the fall. It's called House of Cards for a reason.

The fall isn't the problem. It's how he falls.

[–]Jeffy29 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I need to get off this sub, the more I read the discussions, the madder I get at the show. A Mass Effect 3 effect.

[–]all_thetimeSeason 2 (Complete) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know that's a really good comparison. ME3 started off good too, until it slowly went to shit.

[–]MarvelFan1993 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I personally liked it. I think she felt like she'd be more important than she was when he became President, that she could branch off and do her thing after she helped Frank get to office. But I think she realized that she had just become a tool (the most important tool) for his power and she didn't like it. I honestly think they've been setting this up since the beginning. Claire seems a bit more like a free spirit who wants to do her own thing but she always feel back in line with Frank to help him rise up the ladder because she thought that's what was best for her. She realized she was wrong only after the fact.

[–]3200math 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think what happened is that basically this was Claire starting to be affected by her emotions, we saw some of that with Francis more sporadically.

While people have disagreements with the plot, I think they sufficiently motivated Claire's actions. As in I might diagree that her character would've done that, but it was sufficiently justified as to be believable.

[–]SackOfHellNoSeason 2 (Complete) 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I completely and entirely agree with you.

Yes, we all loved the sleazy and back-stabbing Frank. As I said in another sub, he didn't become President to rule the world and turn it into, Frankly, a Fascist state. He genuinely thought he could do the best job, and he's trying. The house of cards he so intricately built is falling, now. So, the question remains: Season 4. What is going to happen? The stakes are even higher, now.

Although, the season 3 trailer was incredibly misleading. I wasn't too fond of it.

Edit: My adverbs were off.

[–]Gmanjudo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That is my biggest problem with the season. False promise i suppose is the best way to describe it. The trailer was like an infomercial, portraying something that isn't actually ____ when it arrives.

[–]SackOfHellNoSeason 2 (Complete) 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like Claire saying "We're murderers, Francis".

My thought was "ohh shit! Claire is going to be in on something this time!"

Nope. That wasn't it at all.

[–]Holophonist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another comment said Frank seemed like he was running out of options and wasn't planning like normal. Well no shit, that's the point of the fall. It's called House of Cards for a reason.

The problem is they're clearly dragging it out. You're right, it's called house of cards for a reason. You spend an inordinate amount of time building the precarious house of cards and then it all comes crashing down in an instant all at once. The story should have ended this season. The series should have been his rise to power and then his downfall. The reason people are disappointed with this season is because it doesn't have anywhere near the momentum that the first two seasons did, because they're dragging it out now.

Not only that, in my opinion they're confused about Frank's character. Sometimes he's a narcissistic megalomaniac, which makes sense, and sometimes he's genuinely compassionate. Is he amoral and overly ambitious or isn't he?

[–]CashewGuySeason 3 (Complete) 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think a lot of people are misunderstanding the season. I think the season wasn't handled as well as it could have been. It's marred by motivations that make no sense (AmWorks), and character clashes that weren't developed enough or in the right ways.

[–]DNMThrowawayyfoe 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the problem is not that it wasn't handled well, but that the focus was on something different than a lot of people wanted. AmWorks wasn't a plot device. It was a tool in developing Frank's humanity. We finally saw that the reason he's been so conniving is because he has this desperate need to be an important political figure and leave a legacy. It was so fucking fascinating to see him try desperately to reason with people and be cooperative because he's finally realized that's somehow the only way to get really important things done. And it's so different than what we've seen in the past. And I hate you didn't enjoy that even more than the last two. But I did. The writers really spoke to me with this one. And I think it's unjust to say they handled it poorly because they didn't. They just handled in a way you weren't as fond of. But some of us thought it was a revolutionary piece of television.

[–]CashewGuySeason 3 (Complete) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I think it's unjust to say they handled it poorly because they didn't. They just handled in a way you weren't as fond of.

Not at all true, other than to say I wasn't fond of it. It wasn't handled well.

AmWorks wasn't a plot device. It was a tool in developing Frank's humanity. We finally saw that the reason he's been so conniving is because he has this desperate need to be an important political figure and leave a legacy.

In writing, everything is a plot device. If it isn't, it shouldn't exist. If a gun is on a table in act one, it'd better go off in or before act three.

To put it another way: AmWorks is not a way to show Frank's humanity. He does not care at all about the American Public. It is specifically a way for him to appease them into voting for him. Those are two different ways.

AmWorks was a bad plot device because, for me, it broke the barrier of what's acceptable when it comes to suspension of reality. It's way, way, way too stupid a program for even the most moronic congressmen to support, let alone a President. Kill entitlements? You're going to alienate all of Congress and everyone in the country. It wouldn't be accepted, by anyone. Just employing some people isn't going to help, because people are suddenly going to have to work far longer, for less wages, and have to pay for more (more expensive medical care, retirement, etc). It would be an absolutely cataclysmic disaster. That Frank put so much into it was completely unbelievable, and made me think he was incredibly stupid.

He didn't really "reason" with anyone either. He screamed and threw temper tantrums. This is perfectly believable on one issue. Frank didn't get where he is by failing to change. He should have identified that his strategies weren't working, and altered them. Speaking of which, why did his strategies change so suddenly anyway? He should have still been in Carrot-Stick Mode, and yet... He never once offered favors or took debt or anything. He wanted it all, immediately, as if he believed the Presidency had magical powers. There is no way he could have believed this.

He does shine, up to a point, on Foreign Policy. However, a sitting President wouldn't be allowed out in a warzone in a way that Frank was. The Treasury Department wouldn't have allowed it. This was just fine for television though, and didn't bother me.

What did contribute to Frank's "humanity" was his repeatedly awful media appearances. Frank is bad with the media, good in person. This remained in tact.

The most glaring flaw in this season was Frank's undying commitment to an objectively bad program. It was far out of character for him, and in my opinion tainted the rest of the show. It was okay, perhaps even good, but a far cry from the previous two seasons. And not because it "wasn't like them" - it just wasn't done properly. Too many plotlines went unfinished or ignored, too many characters were half-developed and then tossed, too many actions happened without cause. The focus on Doug's life was fantastic, but I felt that it was really half done. It only suggested his want for what could have been, it didn't go far enough. Remy's story was... Well let's face it, just not very great. It was good, and acceptable. But only bare minimum.

They could have done a much better job by cutting down on characters, focusing on a few storylines, and letting it flow naturally. You can impress on the viewer that Frank is in chaos and without control, without actually putting the show into chaos. It was certainly not revolutionary. It's great that you enjoyed it, but don't call it "unjust" that I prefer the first two seasons, and don't scrap legitimate critiques of the show as "oh, you just didn't like it."

[–]bluephish 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i would prefer to see him get outplayed than just fail because he is not on his A game.

[–]Indysolo621 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, I enjoyed the season. I thought the pacing and tone was fine. There's just so much pressure on him and things are starting to crumble. He doesn't feel as condifent as he did in the first two seasons so obviously he is going to be more closed off and emotional. There weren't as many moments with him breaking the fourth wall this season, but that felt like a good decision since it felt like Frank no longer felt confident in himself. The only two glaring issues in my mind were the ad-placement, which was very jarring at some points; and the author, who was a pretty terrible actor

[–]lilguy78 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The tone was set for me in the opening scene of the season. When frank looks at the camera, he says he has to do things like visiting his fathers grave because it makes him "more human". Part of being human is that you fail, more than you would like. He's no longer the god he was from Season 1 and 2, he's the human from Season 3.

[–]Aatra 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm part of the camp who overanalyzes for flaws, but I still loved the season anyway.

[–]helllomoto 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

misunderstanding the season

How pretentious.

[–]socks888 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Something that I think set this season apart in my opinion was how Frank was being betrayed by almost everyone around him and it actually affected him. I felt more drama, and felt that he was more fallible.

Although I'll have to admit it's a little bit of a bummer that he didn't scheme as much to bring these people down. The only WTF moment I really really had was when he betrayed Sharp at the presidential debate.

[–]thedeveloper15 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with this. The complex plot line is why this show is one of my favourites. Besides the fact the cinematography and the actors are impeccable, the story line has stuck true to it's original goal which is to build up the house of cards and knock it down.

[–]3200math 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The conversation between Thomas and that journalist is literally this discussion.

They talk about how the marriage isn't the story and then Thomas tries to justify that their marriage is the core of all of this. I took it as pretty direct from the writers.

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[–]thebigsofa -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Complex plotlines like remy being a lovesick bitch and stamper going drunk sober drunk sober like hes playing red light green light.

[–]Aatra 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Red light green light describes the everyday experience for an ex-drunk. If they want him to portray that realistically, this season was the way to do it. And yes, Doug did have a complex storyline. He's haunted by his past, but he's also haunted by the fact that his past is so empty. He's regretting not starting a family, and that just again reminds him of his past, Rachel. Everything snowballs for him because he's cut off and alone. That's a lot more complex than how most shows would have handled his role as the dutiful sidekick.

[–]drax117 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

short attention spans who don't understand complex plotlines and found the season boring and the change in tone confusing

This is everyone of my friends man. Its so depressing. They dont like HoC because it doesnt have enough action. They didnt like Captain America Winter Soldier because it was boring and not enough action. They dont like GoT, because theres too much talking, and not enough action and sex.

Fuck me. I need new friends....