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[–]TheCid 274 ポイント275 ポイント  (230子コメント)

Can we please get something to stop subreddits from invading other subreddits? If subreddits are supposed to be communities, they shouldn't be getting a bunch of people who aren't part of the community dumped on them at once by SRS, SRD, and others. It's an absolute headache for mods when this happens.

[–]Udontlikecake 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (12子コメント)

How about /r/bestof?

By far the largest bridaging subreddit.

[–]Based_gandhi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can request your subreddit to be blacklisted on /r/bestof

[–]TheCid -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd have blocked them off from my subs too. They aren't part of the community of my subreddit and didn't discover it out of interest in the subject matter.

I don't think I ever had a problem with them though. It was only SRS and SRD.

[–]Hubinator 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Probably because users from /r/Bestof usually upvote the linked comments.

[–]LilJonWhatSample 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They also tend to downvote comments if they're negative. Remember when former reddit CEO Yishan Wong (/u/Yishan) publicly called a former employee out during their AMA?

le link

[–]awxvn -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

At least bestof is kind of positive, unlike SRD.

[–]Udontlikecake 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No...

When someone gets into an argument and is gilded, the "wrong" person gets heavily downvoted

[–]derptyherp -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Agreed, but at least they try to actively discourage participation of any kind. SRS, SRD and the like actively encourage it. Either way, definitely think admins should allow regulations of this to some extent.

[–]suhrockinon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

SRD in no way actively encourages particpation - np links are required and "popcorn pissers" immediately banned. Of course it doesn't stop everyone but to say its encouraged is false.

[–]LacquerCritic 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (62子コメント)

I just don't see how it would be possible. Do you have some idea in mind? Because I don't know how you would stop individual users from doing this without affecting loads more people just going from one subreddit to another without any malicious intent. And targetting specific subs is asking for a can of worms to be opened that I can't imagine the reddit admins wanting to deal with. I'm genuinely curious about suggestions.

[–]LowSociety 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I've always imagined a way for mods to put a thread in lock-down, making outsiders unable to vote or comment until they open it again. Like, only users who have been subscribed to the sub for X days can actually interact in the thread.

[–]aveman101 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Wouldn't that exclude users of multireddits? And people who don't subscribe, but instead like to browse reddits one at a time (yes, some people do this)?

[–]LowSociety 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah. I think it's a small price to pay, functionality-wise, to require people to actually subscribe in some cases. Preferably this should only be activated by the mods in rare cases (like instead of nuking whole comment threads like some do now), but I know some mods would use it on every post. Ultimately, that's their decision though...

[–]Ringbearer31 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What if I enjoy the sub but don't want it showing up on my front page? I normally browse /r/all and then exclude things I don't want to see, does that mean my opinion in comment threads aren't valid?

[–]LowSociety 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Your opinion might be valid, but not wanted in the particular thread, since you, like the hypothetical brigaders, are not by definition part of that community.

[–]Ringbearer31 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Even if I comment and vote in that sub regularly? Why is the sub not private?

[–]LowSociety 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This hypothetical sub is not private because the hypothetical instance of brigading is very uncommon. The hypothetical lock-down happens on a particular thread, not the entire sub.

[–]Ringbearer31 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think membership should be determined by subscription status, or I think the front page should be much more configurable, let ME pick the subs I want to see out of my subscribed list every single time and then reddit can randomly fill in the rest.

[–]Mason11987 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

We do this in ELI5 using automod, although we block everyone when we lock a thread, not just people who have been subscribed (since we can't see that). Of course we can't prevent votes, just auto-remove comments. Accomplishes the same thing though I think.

[–]LowSociety -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, that's one way of doing it. It's a shame though that it can prevent organic discussing from taking place, just because some troll starts flingig shiy.

[–]Mason11987 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

well if it's just some trolls flinging shit we ban them and move one. When it's a torrent of shit posts everywhere we lock. It does prevent some discussion though, which is certainly a downside, and it's why it's used so rarely.

[–]hak8or 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

subscribed to the sub for X days

I would actually argue that it should be how active they are in the past 30 days or so, like requiring the user to have made at least 3 posts on the sub in the past 30 days spaced at least 24 hours apart.

[–]LowSociety 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, that could be a setting! I know a lot of redditors are comment-shy lurkers, though, so I would probably not use it.

[–]monopanda 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

np.reddit.com was a good start. Potentially flagging sites that do not use the np, investigating those individual subreddits that cause such behavior? While you would not be able to effectively deal with those who are lurking in one subreddit and posting in another, you can totally find a paper trail who are active in both.

[–]LacquerCritic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

With the sheer amount of stuff the reddit admins have to do elsewhere, I just can't see them committing to investigating subreddits and user behaviour. Unless there's a subreddit/user trying to break reddit or trying to bypass some of their hard rules (child porn, posting sexual photos of someone without their permission) and/or causing legal problems, it just doesn't seem like it would be a priority.

[–]monopanda 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Don't ask for votes or engage in vote manipulation.

Brigading. Hard rule.

[–]LacquerCritic 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think their definition of vote manipulation is more when people use alt accounts, scripts, bots, etc. to affect vote counts. Brigades, while not good, are all individual users voting - not vote manipulation.

[–]monopanda 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't ask for votes

https://www.reddit.com/wiki/faq#wiki_what_constitutes_vote_cheating_and_vote_manipulation.3F

Besides spam, the other big no-no is to try to manipulate voting by any means: manual, mechanical, or otherwise. We're not going to post an exhaustive list of forbidden tactics (lest we give people ideas), but some major ones are:

  • Don't use shill or multiple accounts, voting services, or any other software to increase votes for submissions
  • Don't ask other users to vote on certain posts, either on reddit itself or anywhere else (through Twitter, Facebook, IM programs, IRC, etc.)
  • Don't be part of a "voting clique" or "vote ring"

A voting clique is a group of people who send links to their submissions around via message, IM, or any other means, with the expectation of "you guys vote for my stuff and I'll vote for yours." A "vote ring" is a group of people who agree to vote on certain things together, either a specific submission, a user, a domain, or anything like that. Upvote each submission or content for the value of the information in it, a variety of things that you think are interesting and will benefit the community.

When you link to a part of this site you are doing so for the purpose of checking it out. When you are doing so from a part of the site dedicated towards promotion of a certain point of view, you are not encouraging people to go to said community to engage in civil debate. You are doing so to cause grief. Period.

[–]LacquerCritic 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Subreddit brigading still isn't a voting clique or ring by the definition used there, which if you're being semantic is worth nothing.

I'm not saying it's wrong to not want vote brigading, but I just don't see an easy solution based on statements and past decisions by admins.

[–]Acebulf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, they've been very clear that brigading is not allowed, and they've already banned many people (and even whole subreddits) for doing so.

What people are angry about is that this standard is not being applied to SRS, and the SRS-invaded subs. (SRD, Circlebroke, ect.) Couple this to the chunk of evidence showing favoritism towards SRS from the admins, it's not really a surprise that people get mad.

[–]LacquerCritic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, based on the comments and official statements from admins that I've seen elsewhere, there are two options that both lead back to the same ending.

1) The admins say that SRS and SRD don't cause nearly as much of a problem as people say they do, they've investigated, etc. In this case, it's moot - people are angry for a perceived issue that isn't nearly that big. Thus nothing will be changed just because of SRS and SRD (and associated subs).

2) The admins are lying about the numbers and have other motives, in which means that they're not likely to actually care about complaints and will continue to allow it regardless of people complaining heartily.

I choose to believe the admin statements because reddit is a site I enjoy but it's not worth my time to get genuinely angry about it.

[–]MillenniumFalc0n 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

NP isn't admin-supported, it's a user-created css hack. It's better than nothing, but it's not nearly as effective as a native solution could be

[–]appropriate-username 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's better than nothing

Not to a user. NP is annoying in itself when it sticks around after one visits a thread and RES makes it more annoying until you turn the alert bubbles off.

[–]MillenniumFalc0n 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is indeed on of the annoying factors that could be solved by a native solution

[–]Guanlong 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could let the moderators of a subreddit decide if they want brigade protection, from which subreddits and to what degree.

Criterias could be viewing history, posting history, referrer, size of the linking subreddit, time since the last offence etc.

My main concern about this is, that tracking all this stuff is probably not very efficient.

[–]Epistaxis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

FWIW, here's the original TheoryOfReddit discussion that led to the birth of NoParticipation.

Here's the one thing I've never figured out, and I've thought about it a lot: is there a "legitimate" use case where you enter a thread from a different subreddit? Let's say standard "legitimate" use is coming to a thread from your frontpage, because you're subscribed to that subreddit, or from the subreddit's own frontpage. "Illegitimate" use is coming to a thread via a link in another subreddit, where that thread itself was discussed; this leads to an influx of viewers (and voters and commenters) who aren't familiar with the community they're entering, so that community might not want their participation. (Especially if there are a lot of them, because an influx of a large number of viewers to a specific thread or subthread can be extremely disruptive without any malicious intent.) But is subreddit-hopping a normal thing to do, otherwise? If the admins went with the most drastic possible response and blocked all voting and commenting when you follow inter-subreddit links, whom would that actually inconvenience? I can't figure it out.

[–]LacquerCritic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The vast majority of times that I hop from one subreddit to another via a thread link is positive, personally. The subreddits I hang out in are more niche though, so maybe that's why? I

[–]Mattk50 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (18子コメント)

SRS and SRD should already be removed from the site. Other subreddits have been removed for tiny fractions of the amount of brigading that goes on in those subreddits.

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if they removed us, another subreddit that didn't do a fraction of the work we do to avoid brigades would just take its spot.

SRD mods work our damn balls off to avoid brigading. we use every tool in the toolbox.

[–]LacquerCritic 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Which subreddits have been removed solely for brigading?

[–]TheCid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The PC Master Race subreddit was, until it got restored due to massive outrage.

[–]LacquerCritic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was brigading along with a whole bunch of other nasty things (if you believe the admin statements, which a lot of people in this comment thread don't). And (again, going by admin statements) the issue there was that their usual strategy of banning individual users (which is what they do with SRS, SRD, etc.) wasn't able to keep up with the sheer number of users doing not-good stuff.

[–]Mason11987 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Other subreddits have been removed for tiny fractions of the amount of brigading that goes on in those subreddits.

And how do you know how much brigading they do? And why are you more reliable of a source on this when you have no data on it when the admins say otherwise?

[–]TheCid 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I have data on what kinds of brigades my subreddits got when I modded them. It was SRS a bunch of times and SRD one time. No other subreddit ever launched enough of a brigade to be an issue.

[–]Mason11987 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

How do you know who upvoted what?

[–]TheCid 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's pretty fucking obvious when a comment thread gains over 100 new posts in an hour and the pattern of (upvoted, downvoted, upvoted, downvoted) flips and the numbers are all an order of magnitude larger.

[–]Mason11987 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

So you speculate? I thought you said you had data.

Where does the data come from to make claims about who does it?

If there were two sources who had conflicting claims about something, one had access to data and the other had supposition wouldn't it make the most sense to accept the claim from the one who had access to data?

You guess some groups do this all the time, the admins know they really don't, and they know that people frequently blame those groups when there is no blame to be given there. Do you understand why I would consider the admins claim more reliable? Obviously you might not care what I think, but I find the topic interesting.

Edit - And a downvote literally seconds after I make this post? Am I not adding to the conversation?

[–]TheCid 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Sure a bunch of nonsubscribers magically appeared the same time SRS linked to my post but they had nothing to do with SRS and the vote totals going sky high in the opposite direction from what it "naturally" was on my subreddit had nothing to do with the post on the top of SRS.

Believe that if you want.

[–]Mason11987 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

How do you know they were nonsubscribers? How do you tie in an upvote with whether that upvoter was a subscriber or not?

Are you asserting the admins are lying? That's fine if that's what you think, but I just want to know if you realize that they have the actual numbers, and not guesses, and they are saying your claims are incorrect.

[–]Irongrip 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Here's an idea that will never be accepted. Forbid meta-communities of all sorts. If your community's soul existence is to comment on other communities on reddit, it's sacked.

This neatly solves all meta drama.

[–]aveman101 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can also say goodbye to /r/bestof, which nobody ever seems to complain about.

[–]monopanda 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Plenty of people complain about /r/bestof and it's censorship of certain subreddits.

[–]aveman101 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

and it's censorship of certain subreddits.

That's not what I mean. I'm talking about vote brigades. Whenever something it posted to /r/bestof, that comment gets upvoted like crazy. This is especially apparent in smaller subreddits. Seeing a comment with a score like 1500+ when there's only something like 800 subscribers is extremely suspect.

/r/bestof has a much bigger problem with vote brigades than SRS or SRD, yet those other two subreddits are always the ones that get called out.

[–]Bardfinn -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or — just don't subscribe to those.

There are legitimate reasons to have meta-communities; the fact that a horde of entitled / spoiled / bratty children abuse meta-communities (or any community) is not a reason to ban the format.

Forbidding meta-communities also doesn't neatly solve all meta-drama, because then the meta-drama will be hosted on another site, and it will then be a case of, for instance, 4chan raids on reddit.

[–]Pringles_Can_Man 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was a bit skeptical at this idea, then I realized, if this was followed through, SRS would be banned. So yah, you are right, it would never happen but what a thought!

[–]_kingside_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

sole

[–]LacquerCritic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad it wouldn't be accepted because banning types of communities in such a way would be a slippery slope and cause way more conflict than it'd resolve, imo.

[–]flashmedallion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is probably in the best interests of reddit users in general, but not so much in the interest of reddit.com

So even while I'd miss a few meta subs (DepthHub etc) I'd vote for this, I can't see it ever happening.

[–]TheCid 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Being able to have links to your subreddit blackholed on other subreddits would be a start. I should be able to deny other subs from linking to mine. Ideally this would be a blacklist or whitelist, but even an on/off setting would be a start.

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

that would remove the capacity for users to organically find your subs. plus that wouldn't keep anyone from writing /r/yoursubnamehere.

people dicking around on reddit in different communities is something the admins want. brigading, not so much.

[–]TheCid -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They could find it by searching the "reddits" page for the subject of the community in question. If you are interested in Team Fortress 2, go do a search for it.

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

limiting the capability of users to spend more time on the site (and therefore serve them more advertising) by discovering new communities would not be in the admins' best business interests.

[–]TheCid -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's generally not links to the sub as a whole which cause problems. It's links to specific comment threads which cause problems.

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    [–]XavierMendel 236 ポイント237 ポイント  (56子コメント)

    SRS

    I don't expect this question will be acknowledged.

    [–]Landeyda 209 ポイント210 ポイント  (49子コメント)

    We're temp banning /r/pcmasterrace for brigading, but SRS is totally okay and does nothing wrong. We might shadowban a few of them just to make it look like we're doing something.

    Was the last (paraphrased) time I heard anything on the topic. It was laughable then and just as laughable now.

    EDIT: Brigading also means interrupting community discussion, and not just vote brigading. If a community invades another community and pushes their politics/beliefs on them, that's still brigading.

    [–]LowSociety 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (32子コメント)

    No need to paraphrase, here's the actual statement:

    The level of trouble we see from SRS is no where near that level. SRS is also an extremely popular flag to wave around when controversial topics get brought up, even if folks from SRS aren't touching the thread at all. SRS gets brought up by the general community far more often than it is actually involved.

    I just went through all 25 submissions on the SRS front page and all but one comment had risen in score since they linked. That's a very inefficient downvote brigade. We probably have more weight in SRD. People are giving SRS' relevance way too much credit.

    [–]3DPDMasterRace 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    'k, then try SRD then.

    The point is some subs get a pass by admins for shitty behaviour, and some don't.

    [–]shneb 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How about bestof? The fucking comment scores before and after. It's ridiculous.

    [–]LowSociety 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The situation with pcmasterrace was not a common one because it was organized and temporary. There was so much brigading and witch-hunting going on at the time, neither the mods or the admins could keep up. So they pulled the plug. This wasn't the mods fault, and not the community's, but a relatively large, organized minority's fault. There was one admins who said thousands of votes came directly from that sub, and that has never been the case of SRD or SRS.

    In SRD we ban a bunch of people for commenting in linked threads every day and we send suspected voters to the admins. We keep up. If we do have a PCMR moment when our users organize enough to make us lose control, I would want the admins to ban the sub.

    [–]Cacafuego2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Do they get a pass or so they just get way less attention from people with limited resources, because they're a much much smaller problem?

    [–]KaliYugaz 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Have these people ever even been to SRS? They don't do anything other than complain about (often trivial) nonsense. SRS brigades are an idiotic conspiracy theory.

    [–]souIIess 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't really care for srs one way or another, but out of curiosity I read through the top posts and a few random ones. The sub is basically just a circlejerk for people who think a lot of reddit users are immature and frequently racist/misogynistic/etc.. The top posts are basically all hilarious rants by people who are deeply offended by their circlejerking.

    For the sake of balance, I also did the same for theredpill, and when they discuss other posts, they basically all use indirect links to posts (redditlog.com) and also discourage any mention of their sub or participation in discussions.

    I really don't see any of these as much of a problem - they're relatively small/medium subs without much apparent brigading going on. At least not at the same level as major ones, such as bestof. If brigading really was the issue here, bestof would be gone in a split second.

    [–]ThisIsGoobly 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    To be fair, a lot of reddit users ARE really racist, misogynistic, etc.

    [–]Hubinator 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I was linked to SRS once and my comment dropped from over 20 to -10 in about 2 hours.

    The downvote-brigade is definitely real.

    [–]notevilcraze -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Do you have a link by any change? +20 comments are very rare in SRS.

    [–]Hubinator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Oh sorry, looks like I wasn't clear on that - I meant 20 karma points that soon became a negative number after SRS were involved.

    [–]jonahmilo_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They normally link big comments and, if they link to you, they will supposable-y upvote brigade you.

    [–]cdcformatc -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/SRSMythos

    [–]ValiantAbyss -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Must not have been a reddit user very long. For a while, getting linked to from SRS didn't just mean getting downvoted by the users, but they also had BOTS that would downvote you too.

    They used to be a real issue but I guess not anymore.

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      [–]Landeyda 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      And the full link is basically a longer version of my paraphrasing.

      SRS does nothing wrong (lol), PCMR somehow was a larger issue, and we'll ban people to make it look like we actually do something about SRS.

      [–]LowSociety 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'd say it gives a complely different view than your paraphrasing and that you just don't believe the admin.

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        [–]XavierMendel 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (11子コメント)

        I know some of the mods of pcmasterrace. If they could do anything more to prevent brigades they would. They seem to do everything in their power, but to some it's never enough.

        Meanwhile, certain other subreddits seem to want brigading to happen. Their mods encourage it and take part in it. It's perfectly fine to the same people who want pcmasterrace banned. God help you if you ask about the hypocrisy.

        After all: If you're protected from consequences you might as well break the rules, right?

        [–]zeug666 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        When some of those mods are also admins, even fewer fucks are given.

        [–]Hereticalnerd 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Admins being mods of subreddits seems like a huge conflict of interest imo.

        [–]Acebulf 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        For a long time, intortus was the staunch defender of SRS, then when he left reddit, he was made mod of it.

        [–]ceol_ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Admins are global mods. They have access to all the same tools. If an admin believes something, removing their mod status isn't going to change that.

        [–]CuilRunnings 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Not to mention the new CEO and her families history with discrimination lawsuits and money problems.

        [–]GodOfAtheism 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        If they could do anything more to prevent brigades they would. They seem to do everything in their power, but to some it's never enough.

        You know why you don't hear about /r/ImGoingToHellForThis brigading? It's because we don't allow links to reddit in the sub, and we tempban people for not censoring screencaps.

        [–]XavierMendel 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        PCMR doesn't allow uncensored screencaps, but I don't know if they allow links (though I know they at least do NP). I'd have to check.

        I want stricter, and actually applied anti-brigading rules.

        [–]GodOfAtheism 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I want stricter, and actually applied anti-brigading rules.

        Wouldn't mind it either, though I think the real issue is just a lack of transparency in that regard.

        [–]XavierMendel 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Lack of transparency is a real issue in every regard when it comes to reddit.

        There's three things I will always want more of: Transparency, accountability, and respect. All three are in short supply in these parts, and calling for more of them causes huge problems.

        [–]OfficerTwix 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        PCMR was also banned because users called a /r/gaming mod's local police and said he killed his girlfriend

        [–]Mason11987 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You're so far off the actual words it's almost as if you don't care at all what the admins say, because you have your own viewpoint to push.

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          [–]LowSociety 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          The cabal is working this thread!

          [–]garyp714 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Cobble cobble cobble.

          [–]XavierMendel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          #illuminati

          [–]_kingside_ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Ca-balls to the walls

          [–]argv_minus_one 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Fatality!

          [–]stillclub -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Don't forget r/bestof

          [–]ANAL_CAVITIES 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          I just don't understand why SRS doesn't require .np links for the submissions. I know it wouldn't help completely, you can easily just remove it from the URL and continue browsing as normal, but it would still help with the brigading a bit right?

          I mean, subs like /r/titlegore have do it, I don't see why SRS can't.

          [–]getUsrname 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Or maybe instead of linking the comment they want to complain about in the thread, the could take printscreen of this comment, remove the name of the OP and any information where to find it, like they do in /r/thathappened or /r/iamverysmart. Wouldn't this fix the problem and allow that subreddit to continue doing whatever they do?

          [–]fazzah 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          you can google the comment text and find it anyway, so what's the deal with removing usernames...

          [–]TheCid 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          This has been suggested many times. They refuse to do this because that would defeat the purpose of their subreddit, which is to attack other subreddits.

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            [–]TheCid 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Because their entire reason for existence is to attack other subreddits.

            [–]Hereticalnerd 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Regardless of how frequent you think vote brigading is, I don't see why you wouldn't require np links. It's such a tiny thing, and I can't think of any adverse side effects.

            [–]tatti_ke_tukde 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Np links don't work on alien blue, I think. Np gets changed to www and you can still vote, last time I checked. Bot sure if that's true now.

            [–]Hereticalnerd 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Even if it's not effective in one form of Reddit, it still works on the main site.

            [–]tatti_ke_tukde 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Even otherwise, editing the title to change np to www is a 5 second job. Also a third of reddits traffic is through mobile and tablets. IPhone surely is a big chunk of that. A better solution than np should exist imo.

            [–]The_Penis_Wizard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            NP links don't actually do anything. You can still vote and comment as much as you want.

            [–]LetItSnowden 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Can we please get something to stop subreddits from invading other subreddits? If subreddits are supposed to be communities, they shouldn't be getting a bunch of people who aren't part of the community dumped on them at once by SRS, SRD, and others. It's an absolute headache for mods when this happens.

            It's against Reddit's rules, but when /r/RedditArmie/ attacks YouTube it's all magically OK!

            [–]kn0thing[S,A] 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (63子コメント)

            This is something that's come up (and no one community is uniquely guilty of it). We do already do a lot to curb this kind of behavior, but we're absolutely looking into improving it. You all sure are putting a lot of work on community dev :) we're up for it. Please bear with us.

            [–]LemonPoppy 104 ポイント105 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            and no one community is uniquely guilty of it

            While it's true that brigading certainly isn't limited to one or even a handful of subs, I think it's pretty obvious that /r/bestof is the biggest brigade on reddit.

            [–]freet0 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I think the reason they get away with it is because they usually only make upvoted comments more upvoted. Like they'll take a +400 comment and make it a +2000 comment. So yeah it's a brigade, but it's not really harmful or manipulative in terms of direction.

            That being said, I have seen scenarios where a post in opposition to the linked comment is just downvoted into oblivion, sometimes accompanied by that user's post history as well.

            [–]pteridoid 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Right, like somebody states an opinion that on the surface seems to make sense, it gets refuted by a wall of text, the wall of text gets bestof'ed, the original statement gets 1000 downvotes.

            People need to be way more reasonable.

            [–]Indenturedsavant 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            I think I don't get angry at /r/bestof because it's not done with malice like /r/SRS is

            [–]GODZILLAFLAMETHROWER 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Aside from what you hear from comments, have you seen a SRS brigade in effect?

            I haven't. Everyone is simply complaining to get on the hype train. The only one who have stats are the admins, however, bots should be able to measure these kind of effects.

            And I'm saying that while having been banned from /r/SRS a while ago.

            [–]pornysponge 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I think it was yesterday when I took a survey of the front page of SRS until I go bored:

            Original Upvotes Post-link Upvoats Time between SRS-link and my survey
            3374 3516 15 hr
            22 19 5hr
            330 361 14 hr
            563, 264 852, 463 19hr

            Then I got bored, but I noticed that the only one that got downvoted was the smallest one. Obviously it would be harder to brigade something when there are a large number of non-brigaders, so today I took a survey of every link on the SRS frontpage that started with <100 boats:

            Foo Bar text
            31 187 8 hrs ago
            86 142 14 hrs ago
            -23, 37 -51, 89 11 hrs
            44, 55, 47 107, 136, DEL 1d
            49 72 1d
            23, 12, 2 185, 34, 33 1d
            74 73 1d
            50 54 I forgot to write this down
            82, -19 165†, -20 2d
            85 100 1d
            33 447 2d
            67 81 2d

            The most egregious example of post-SRS brigading I have ever seen was actually on an egregiously racist comment; "OOGA BOOGA DINDU NUFFIN"; which was linked to SRS at +36, apparently reached a peak of +77, before being massively downvoted (for some reason, every time I refresh it, it changes. I have seen it ranging from -12 to -21 in the last few minutes).

            (I have bolded brigading in the tables)

            [–]TheCid -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I have, multiple times, on subreddits I used to moderate. If the admins weren't hypocrites they'd have shut it down years ago.

            [–]pteridoid -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I've seen it in effect on a small scale. A few dozen downvotes on a few posts. They've gotten better about brigading than they used to be.

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              [–]Vladimir_Is_Pootin 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Please limit the amount of public subreddits anyone can be mod of. Even medium sized subreddits can be a pain to moderate.

              [–]firex726 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              And do away with sock puppets. Won't mean anything if the user can just make a new account for each big sub they mod.

              [–]Lord_Vargo-Hoat 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Like any of you care about actually enforcing rules on Reddit on more than an individual level. You let lawbreaking content hang around until it hits enough news sites that it puts you all in danger.

              You've defended pedophiles, you've hosted subreddits dedicated to illegal activities like selling fake IDs, stolen credit cards, etc. You defend, time and time again, subs dedicated to constant brigading and harassment. You do nothing about doxxing or witchhunts until it's far too late.

              [–]TheCid 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              You can let us blacklist other subs from linking to ours. You can take the biggest offenders and mandate that they use screenshots instead of links to other subreddits. There are a number of approaches you could use but this crap has been happening for years now.

              [–]banfromallsubreddits 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I guess you could say he's going to do kn0thing.

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                [–]Bossman1086[🍰] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I think striking a balance is key here though. Obviously you want to prevent brigading and such. But it sucks when someone comes across a reddit link to a community they don't subscribe to and get shadowbanned or something for participating when they might have joined that community and made it better.

                [–]smashfalcon 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                You're basically doing a bad AMA here. The best questions, with plenty of upvotes, are being ignored. Super lame dude.

                [–]Shugbug1986 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                and no one community is uniquely guilty of it.

                You're right, but there are a few blatantly obvious ones that constantly brigade to the point of it being known very well throughout reddit. You know where there is problems, you're just turning a blind eye because they also happen to support some of the same ideologies as you and your friends. Don't Play favorites with subs.

                [–]GhostRider22 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (38子コメント)

                You do absolutely nothing to curb SRS OR SRD. Nothing. These are subs that publicly admit to invading and brigading other subs. These are people who continue to be above reddit's rules. Continue to harass and even dox people. Nothing happens though, because they're part of the extreme left wing feminist agenda reddit is now pushing on the masses. They've destroyed entire sub reddit communities, and the admins do nothing. Nothing except watch as your extreme agenda is pushed. Rip /r/lgbt

                [–]arup02 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                SRD is closely linked with SRS so there will be no action here.

                [–]Sirinon 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Well they do Censor legitimate criticism and links to reddit alternatives, so I guess the admins do something

                [–]trowawufei 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Remember the racist subreddits that constantly invaded communities like /r/blackladies? Remember how the mods no action against them for a ridiculously long amount of time? The mods aren't doing this because of left-wing bias, it's because they don't have the balls to take down any subs, period.

                [–]Acebulf 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                They had no problems taking down /r/pcmasterrace for one incident.

                [–]waldron76 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Only briefly. And only because it was massive, organised brigading on an (I believe) unprecedented scale.

                [–]DroptheBoomBoom -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                (I believe) unprecedented scale.

                Only if you ignore the subreddits specifically set up to brigade other subreddits.

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                  [–]wigsternm 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  "Publicly admit to invading and brigading" and "banning anyone caught in the linked thread" mean the sane thing now? Because that's what SRD does.

                  Yes, there are problems, but yelling hyperboles is just a good way to alienate people and shut down discussion.

                  Also, why would left-wing feminists want to shut down an LGBT sub? You have your political parties backwards.

                  [–]TheCid 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Left wing feminists didn't shut down /r/LGBT, they hijacked it. That's why /r/ainbow exists - because gay people were tired of getting attacked by the lunatics who had become moderators of the LGBT subreddit.

                  (This is a simplification. I wasn't involved in that clusterfuck. There are probably places you can find detailed information on that split.)

                  [–]GhostRider22 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  They shut down the free speech of the sub to the point it collapsed and a new sub was formed where people are tolerant of speech. /r/ainbow

                  [–]Shugbug1986 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  They don't see it as a bug, they see it as a feature. What they want is just happening to be pushed by these same toxic rodents, so they've chosen to turn a blind eye.

                  [–]aenea 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This is something that's come up (and no one community is uniquely guilty of it). We do already do a lot to curb this kind of behavior, but we're absolutely looking into improving it.

                  I used to be a mod of /r/suicidewatch (I think that I started modding it a few months after it was created, when q asked me to.). We were actually in the top 'subreddits of the year' for a few years, and for quite a while, we were one of the showpieces of reddit, at least judging from the number of articles that were written about the things that we were doing there.

                  We did some good, but any time that we asked the admins for help we pretty much got a blank stare. I'd say that it was just hueypriest who ignored us, but you know that wasn't the case. We didn't even want to track people (except for one or two cases)...eventually the mods asked for help for their personal safety (it was a fun night in my household when Bill (fellow mod) threatened to show up at my door), and to have a way to ban trolls from pming people who posted in /sw. It became much worse when trolls started targeting /r/suicidewatch users- they have to have a 'troll/negative pm' message on top of the subreddit all of the time, because it's so prevalent. More power to the admins if they'd decided to just close /sw down, but that wasn't what you decided.

                  We do already do a lot to curb this kind of behavior, but we're absolutely looking into improving it. You all sure are putting a lot of work on community dev :) we're up for it. Please bear with us.

                  I wish I could put that on my wall. I've wiped my user history a few times because of trolls, but I'm sure that you can still probably see it.

                  Just curious as to when the admins are going to help with community development? I've been a redditor for 8 years, and it doesn't seem to have happened yet. 8 years in internet years is a very long time. I've moderated many subreddits over the years, and there's been a decided lack of admin support in a few of them. Obviously you can't police every subreddit, but the "we're absolutely looking into improving it. You all sure are putting a lot of work on community dev :) we're up for it. Please bear with us." thing has gotten pretty old. /suicidewatch is still overrun with trolls, and it shouldn't be. I know that reddit has a history of only stepping in when things get 'inconvenient', (/trees), /violentacrez, /saydrah, but that sucks. Reddit has a fairly transient user base, but that's no reason to keep promising to 'look into improving it'.

                  [–]heidismiles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  There are bots that automatically generate / post a screen shot of a thread when linked. Could Reddit develop something that, whenever someone links to a Reddit post, it automatically converts the link to a screen shot? Meaning, the perma link itself would change to an image.

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                    [–]wriley 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yes, Worstof is the worst. Its like a personal army for who ever can write the most misleading title.

                    [–]Vladimir_Is_Pootin 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I propose a cap on the number of subreddits any account can be a mod of. There are some SRS mods who moderate nearly 500 other subreddits.

                    [–]cheshire137 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    It's the Reddit community. You can't have some isolated playground that you expect other Redditors can't interact with and affect.

                    [–]TheCid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It's possible to completely lock a subreddit down and go private, so you're flat out wrong there. The issue is that there's no state in between full public and full private except by banning absurdly large amounts of users.

                    Furthermore, /u/kn0thing's title and announcement explicitly indicate that subreddits are intended to be separate communities.

                    If I have a subreddit dedicated to a niche interest, such as /r/tf2 or /r/magictcg (both of which I modded in the past), there shouldn't be people who've never played the game or having some sort of interest in the game showing up and fucking around with the subreddit because SRS is screaming mad that someone's racist for repeating the "Poor and Irish" joke that's associated with the game. (I'm not making this up - this is a thing which actually happened.)

                    [–]ItsMeCaptainMurphy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Reddit: We link to everything else on the internet, but don't you dare link to us!

                    [–]emmster 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I don't find those cited examples to be the biggest issues with brigading anywhere I mod, but there are plenty of others that wreak havoc. As well as off-site groups. A way to effectively control damage would be very welcome.

                    [–]Darkrell 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yeah you aren't getting a answer to this, too many admins have too many ties to SRS.

                    [–]Minxie -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Oh pleeeease. Why must this always be an incessant whine?

                    [–]Okichah -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Private subreddits are already a thing.

                    [–]TheCid 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    That makes your subreddit completely undiscoverable.

                    [–]HoChiMiner -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Who cares

                    [–]fearofthesky 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    As someone who mods a subreddit that is brigaded pretty regularly, I do.

                    Shove your snide dismissal where the sun don't shine.

                    [–]TotallyNotCool -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I think all the tools you need to combat that can be found here:

                    /r/WhatAboutSRS