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[–]CelerityDesu 456 ポイント457 ポイント  (64子コメント)

Facts:

  1. Tempo Storm contacted me requesting proof and logs of personal conversations which I did not particularly want to reveal, until I was told that Amy had been denying that she owed me anything, so I felt the need to show them enough evidence to vindicate myself.

  2. I screenshared and verified a bunch of Skype logs with Tempo Storm in such a way that no doctoring was possible, until I was told that they had "sufficient evidence" that I was telling the truth, and that they believed me. I know for a fact that they also contacted Jab, and saw everything you all have, on top of plenty more which was unreleased publicly.

  3. The next day, Tempo Storm told me that they were going to defend Amy anyway, so I offered them more evidence, which they declined, saying that it was a personal issue and had no bearing on her role on the team(??)

  4. If it has no bearing on her role on the team, then why the hell did you make me show you a bunch of embarassing Skype logs to prove my case in the first place?

  5. I told Tempo Storm that if they were planning to cover this up, they had better not publicly denounce my claims or try to call me a liar, or I would make sure everybody knew that they were intentionally turning a blind eye to evidence that they previously acknowledged as legitimate. (This is where he claimed that I "threatened" them.)

  6. Reynad publicly denounced my claims.

Luckily, it seems like most of the people in this subreddit understand what a fuckup Reynad is, and I really don't want any of this to fall to the responsibility of other members of Tempo Storm who have nothing to do with his egotistical tirades. From what I've seen, their opinions don't match his, and they have all handled this matter very professionally. Reynad should really shut the fuck up before this whole thing deals him any significant damage.

[–]magicoreo 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is really getting more and more personal by the minute..

[–]Hunterkiller00 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This whole thing must be fucking terrible for you, but honestly thank you for doing this.

[–]ME24saken 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm quite ready to believe that both Reynad and Magicamy are grade-A scumbags, but that doesn't have anything to do with her perfomance on TS. I think Reynad's beef is that people were more than happy to believe that Amy only did so well because there was a dude playing for her. The actual evidence for that was very ambiguous and instead people try to prove shit with slander. I can very easily understand that TS is pissed that they had to delve through all this garbage that really doesn't concern them, but they have to. You can't blame them for protecting their employee. That's what every business would do.

Not saying I have any respect for Reynad, but neither I have for you.

[–]Alxndr27 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you, he gave her money and she never gave it back, what the he'll does that have to do whether or not she is who she says she is, I mean he sent a shit load of money to a girl he had never met IRL and now that she won't pay him back he brings this shit up which made the whole magicamy thing an even bigger deal. You got bamboozled by a girl, deal with it because that's only your fault and that should've never been brought up in this matter.

[–]gnufoot 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is it "only his fault" he got scammed? The amounts of money transferred (which at the moment I don't recall) may have been rather unwise, but SHE is the one who did the scamming (allegedly).

I don't think it's news to anyone that people who fall in love often do questionable things. At the same time, I'm sure there's plenty examples of similar amounts of cash being transferred and either the money being paid back, or the two ending up together for a reasonable amount of time and the loan being a gift instead. It's not plain stupidity, it was a risk he took, and a trust that she broke.

[–]babybigger -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody cares if Amy is a woman and had a man playing for her. No one doubted her as a top player before this came out. You are just making stuff up to fit into your image of sexism.
Not that sexism does not exist, or woman gamers might be thought of as less, but that is not at all what is happening here.
People care because one of the top ranking HS players seems to be cheating, and is unable to play in person, OR to stream, to prove it is actually her playing.

[–]seaofdoubts_ 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Massive respect to you for putting yourself and your private life out like this.

[–]alleks88 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reynad should really shut the fuck up before this whole thing deals him any significant damage.

Unfortunately a big part of our community does not even care what a douchebag he is.
I doubt it will hurt him at some point, but I really hope that something will.

[–]toiracse 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (7子コメント)

If you've got the logs for these conversations it's time to post them. If you have proof that this person is lying about you or the communications had with you or the evidence that they have, the only course of action is to post that evidence.

You can't seriously expect people to just believe what you've typed in a situation like this without any new verifiable information whatsoever. Sorry mate, if Reynad/Tempostorm shouldn't open his mouth about this without presenting the investigation, you shouldn't be able to get away with the same.

You've both taken this to a court of public opinion with no new facts, just new insults and claims.

[–]seaofdoubts_ 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

He did. See Edit 3: http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2wcfzv/magicamy_megathread/coqq49a

[–]toiracse 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

No I'm talking about the extra non-public information that he's claiming right now exists between them and TempoStorm.

[–]NymN_ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What's the point though? The screenshots all ready shared are plenty enough to show that Amy has been asking to borrow money for various things and then not repaying them. I suspect the extra non-public information is just more of the same thing, but probably a bit more intimate (hence why Celerity was hesitant about sharing it) that doesn't really change the matter at hand.

[–]toiracse 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The matter at hand is that he's made various new claims which he's prefaced by "Facts:" without backing it up.

Specifically

I was told that they had "sufficient evidence" that I was telling the truth, and that they believed me. I know for a fact that they also contacted Jab, and saw everything you all have, on top of plenty more which was unreleased publicly.

The next day, Tempo Storm told me that they were going to defend Amy anyway, so I offered them more evidence, which they declined, saying that it was a personal issue and had no bearing on her role on the team

I told Tempo Storm that if they were planning to cover this up, they had better not publicly denounce my claims or try to call me a liar, or I would make sure everybody knew that they were intentionally turning a blind eye to evidence that they previously acknowledged as legitimate. (This is where he claimed that I "threatened" them.

We have no idea about the factual content of these statements and Celerity has the least to lose and most to gain by revealing the conversations if what he is saying is true. Until such a time, you cannot believe his version of events any more than Tempostorm's especially if he is unwilling to reveal the correspondence himself.

It would NOT be more of the same thing especially considering he refers to "new evidence". You can't start a list of claims starting with "facts" and then completely fail to back them up while telling another person doing the same thing to "shut the fuck up before this whole thing deals him any significant damage".

For the time being, no one should be believing anything of this that hasn't been sourced and shown.

[–]NymN_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh I see your point, I thought you were mainly asking for more of the Skype chatlogs between Celerity and MagicAmy. I suppose it would make sense to see some evidence of these conversations with Tempo Storm.

[–]Alxndr27 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What does this have to do with the whole magicamy isn't magicamy thing though? He should've never been questioned, he got screwed over for sending money to a girl he's never met IRL and now that she won't pay him back he brings this up, this has nothing to with whether not magicamy is who she says she is. Maybe the real story here is "You don't send money to girls you hardly even know, especially if you've only ever talked to them over the Internet."

[–]NymN_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's got nothing to do with it.

I'll just quote the now-removed top comment:

Also all that stuff about how that's a personal thing. Sure it is, but when it gets out you can't ignore it - you just can't. She is playing under your team's name, representing your brand and you want people to ignore her scamming fellow pro players? Won't happen in any business.

Yes, you're right, those guys are really gullible and dumb for sending that much money. But it's not like that makes scamming them any better. Yes, it doesn't really have anything to do with Hearthstone per se, it's just a really shitty behaviour.

[–]Halflotus1 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Real talk.

[–]depressiown 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. Reynad has lost my respect. A pity, I always felt he was one of the more honest, real players.

[–]Belial91 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It has no bearing on her role on the team because you giving her money has nothing to do with her HS career. Tempostorm needed evidence that she is not someone else NOT that she did or did not scam you. That is an entirely different matter.

You are saying nothing new here. Reynad explained in his video that her personal life is not important to them.

[–]Maestrosc 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no he didnt, he said they threw money at her unsolicited which wasnt the case.

And he has/had proof that wasnt the case.

Its just easier for him to call them virgins/neckbeards/morons when he says they threw money at her, rather than she begged for money, promising the pay it back, and then ignored them.

[–]jklharris 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To give Celerity credit, Reynad also said that Celerity made false comments about the situation and that Amy never asked for the money (which from the provided screenshots looks like it was definitely requested). So if Reynad made these comments to make sure people knew how thorough the investigation was, I'd say he failed.

[–]williedills 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If that's the case then why would they even contact him and ask for this stuff? It must have mattered to them at least a bit.

[–]Belial91 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To get information about his real identitiy?

[–]chuckles_the_clown 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm no lawyer, but this is starting to sound like something that may require one.

[–]thor_moleculez 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

These are actually "claims", they become "facts" when you show us the evidence. But thanks anyway for exacerbating this clusterfuck for basically no good reason.

[–]SunaSunaSuna 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I strongly suspected this was the case. Reynad has been slandering people he feels nothing for and now defends obvious depraved characters. Even if you are a neckbeard you sir deserve to let your side to be heard.

[–]hydramarine -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. Just put your trust and money on better people, not trash.

  2. Try your hand in real-life courts.

  3. I know seeing her name everywhere probably hurted too much and caused all her previous suitors to come forward, just try to move on.

[–]edwinning[🍰] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are literally the Manti Te'o of Hearthstone. I believe your story 100%, but collectively as a community, we need to shame and berate you for being such an ugly idiot. Doesn't matter what kind of sob story you hear, you never even met the person. You clearly lack any judgment + virginneckbeard. We all saw your screenshots, she didn't dupe you. You were hella thirsty and jumped at the first offer of hanging out with a girl. Have you ever done that? I don't think so...

[–]StealthTomato -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

saying that it was a personal issue and had no bearing on her role on the team(??)

It is a personal issue that had no bearing on her role on the team! Quit it with the salt.

[–]IlliniJen -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at your life. Look at your choices.

/facepalm

[–]Itjustmakezsense -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

until I was told that Amy had been denying that she owed me anything, so I felt the need to show them enough evidence to vindicate myself.

Except we saw the screenshots and there's nothing there to indicate that she owes you anything. If you throw money at someone they aren't obligated to give it back after they decide your useless, virgin, socially awkward ass isn't worth their time.