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On being conservative. (self.SRSDiscussion)

Tasteful_Fisting が 投稿

(If this isn't the place to post this let me know)

I recently mentioned that I identify as right win over at SRS. I think a lot of people drew conclusions about what I meant a little early.

I'm already banned but I feel like defending myself and someone said this was the place to do that.

First things first: I vote third party. A lot of people seemed to assume I was republican. I'm not. I'm fiscally conservative.

I have my personal views on abortion but I don't vote based on them, I think it's a societal issue and I approach it the same way I approach animal rights. I choose to be third party because I have a fundamentally different view of how the world works from many of you, and because I've seen what big government has done to India.

I like posting on SRS because I'm anti-bigotry. It was my impression that the only thing I had to have in common with you guys was wanting people to be decent to each other. Am I wrong?

Edit: to be clear, I don't expect people o think my views are correct, only to accept that they are coming from a good place and that we can agree to disagree while making fun of bigots.

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[–]Hamstak [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

I don't really see how A) personal views about abortion have anything to do with being conservative (If I'm interpreting that correctly, as in "I would not feel comfortable doing that personally"), else-wise it's not really a personal thing.

B) how you internalize being fiscally conservative without acknowledging the inherent issues with economic structures and capitalism in general(as in this system is not inherently fair or just or observant of basic human decency or rights).

I mean, to mention the post specifically it's because you made a statement that is over and beyond false, especially in the experiences of queer users like myself who have interacted/grown up around conservatives. You literally attempted to defend conservatives. I don't really know what you expected.

I mean, most of the conservative political sphere within America (and the UK) is literally built on sexism, racism, classism, and LGBT related bigotry. It's an essential foundation of the politics and you wouldn't get anywhere as a politician without embracing those things.

[–]Tasteful_Fisting[S] [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I don't disagree that it often attracts the wrong kind of people. I do disagree on the things you say are inherent in capitalism. That disagreement is purely one over how things work. I desire the same outcome as you and have the same if not at least similar values. I just disagree over how best to achieve said outcome.

I realize we disagree on this issue and that I can't convince anyone here otherwise. The point of this post is that a lot of people hate bigots even though they disagree on other issues, and I'm fine being down voted for that if people disagree, but I was actually banned for saying that.

Edit: and I agree that the republican party is fucked up. I don't vote for them. They aren't even true fiscal conservatives as a lot of their policies are just crony capitalism.

[–]wilsonh915 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Crony capitalism is a term used to distract from the fundamental flaws and contradictions within capitalism. There is no "crony capitalism"; it's just capitalism.

[–]PiscineCyclist [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

If you defend a custom simply because "it's how we always did it", more often than not you're wrong. Society is brutal, and the last thing we need are people defending old ways for the sake of tradition.

[–]Tasteful_Fisting[S] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I take the stance I do because I believe it is wrong. I understand that I can't force people to change but my stance comes from a belief that we are dealing with a life. It's not tradition.

[–]minimuminim [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Firstly, you ought to specify what country you're talking about. American politics are shifted so far right, your "centrist" president would be regarded as a right-winger everywhere else.

Secondly, social and economic leftisim/rightism are collapsed onto each other in the US two-party system, which means that it is practically impossible to espouse economic conservatism without voting for political parties that are also socially conservative.

But hey, realistically speaking, in the US it's a choice between a right wing party and a slightly less right wing party.

[–]Tasteful_Fisting[S] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I am talking about U.S. Politics. I don't vote republican and I believe both parties are very corrupted by corporate influence.

[–]CarmineCerise [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

I have my personal views on abortion but I don't vote based on them, I think it's a societal issue and I approach it the same way I approach animal rights.

what do you mean by this? Also what are your views on abortion

[–]Tasteful_Fisting[S] [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I mean I don't want to legislate against it. I think it's something we should discourage as a society by providing meaningful alternatives and by improving sex education to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

My views on abortion are that I'm iffy on second trimester, against third trimester, and I think partial-birth is horrendous.

[–]osmanthusoolong [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Okay, but late-term abortions are pretty much always to save the pregnant person's life or because the pregnancy isn't viable. They're also very rare, and the few later-term abortions that are not for the reasons I mentioned are because abortion access is so limited and expensive that they couldn't get one earlier. The reasons for the lack of access is because of people who fall for right-wing conspiracies about abortion like you're advocating for!

Also, "partial-birth abortion" isn't actually a thing. It's not a medical term at all, and was cooked up to again, chip at abortion laws.

If you don't want to legislate it and you support sex ed and contraception: that is actually what being pro-choice is.

[–]Intortoise [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

If you're socially liberal and fiscally conservative, that just means you're liberal.

I promise there's very few (actual politician) liberals who think they can spend never endingly. Fiscal conservative doesn't mean a whole lot because all politicians will tend to spend on things they think they need to, which is decided by their social leanings anyways.

I live in a very conservative area and if pressed I tell people I'm fiscally conservative. It's a handy cloak. On any given issue I tend to lean liberal, and social spending tends to pay off in the long run anyways, so it's still fiscally responsible.

[–]kropot-kin [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'd search this sub for "capitalism" if I were you.

[–]khantron [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

fiscally conservative

Fuck you [and black people in particular], I've got mine.

Can't see why that didn't go over well in SRS.

[–]ghoti_styx [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

I think you can be fiscally conservative without opposing social welfare. Social welfare is just something that Republicans (old white guys that are afraid of change) hate, and being fiscally conservative is an excuse. There's plenty to be cut in other areas, and most social welfare programs have a pretty good return on their investment. I consider myself a fiscal conservative because i support ending farm and oil subsidies, extreme cutbacks to the military, and healthcare reform.

[–]Tasteful_Fisting[S] [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Pretty much this. The problem with social security and medicare is that they are being mishandled, not that mandatory savings are a bad idea. I think public education is a good thing but that the current system has major problems. Etc, etc.

I believe the free market delivers efficiency not equity.

[–]rrsubmittinlikeyeah [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I think a lot of the issue here is simply semantics. If you support neoliberalism (which is what it seems like here), you're conservative in the States.

Like others have said, it's probably very likely that your political views are based in internalized racism and misogyny, be that intentional or not.

You're being banned and downvoted from the SRS system because SRS is a tiny little corner of the internet where we don't hear these sorts of opinions over and over again. I mean no offense here, but you're not going to say anything revelatory to us. You advancing your opinion is not what SRS is for, but it does seem like it's what every other part of the world is for.

Also, the conjecture that the "free market" delivers efficiency is inherently false.

[–]Tasteful_Fisting[S] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Right, and I wasn't intending to. My original comment was a joke ("hey, we don't want him either") and an attempt to show that you guys have more allies than you think. It was supposed to he friendly.