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Teen killed in Maryland shootout; parents later found dead (cnn.com)

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[–]OakenGreen 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (63子コメント)

He is defective. That's the only way I can explain it even to myself. Something in his mind is terribly broken.

[–]ScienceLivesInsideMe 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (62子コメント)

Mentally ill is the word you're looking for

[–]leviwhite9 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (60子コメント)

I think defective is a pretty cool synonym for it too.

[–]Kanshan 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (36子コメント)

People aren't defective, they are sick.

[–]Sterling__Archer_ 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (33子コメント)

their mind isn't working right

so it's defective

[–]dx3 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

While that word is technically correct, the word defective has a rather negative connotation.

Generally, the world "defective" is used to describe a item that cannot function properly and which either needs to be repaired, or more usually, a item which needs to be thrown away and replaced because it's broken.

It's rather dehumanizing to describe people who are mentally ill with the same terms we use to describe inanimate objects. When people hear something is defective, most people think along the lines of "Throw away and replace what's defective" as opposed to "fix something that is defective".

In contrast, when you use the word "sick" or "ill", most people think "how do we help cure this person" as opposed to "This human unit is defective, we need to replace it with another."

[–]soccerbeast236 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

mentally ill untill proven defective

some people are beyond help

[–]dx3 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's fine. Just make sure to never abandon the "proven" part.

I've meet a employer who claimed he would never knowing hire anyone who was taking any medication for mental illness. His reasoning was "People like that are beyond help. It's just a matter of time before they go crazy and shoot up the office."

[–]generichum4n 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The best part about this is that this would probably increases the likely hood of him being targeted. I don't mind people who dislike me for my illness, but those who dislike me for attempting to be more "normal" make me feel a very special type of rage.

[–]LouBond 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

some people are beyond help

Great attitude to have and speaks a lot of hope for future mental health treatment.

Its over, time to throw in the towel on crazy folks. Our attempts are futile forever.

[–]soccerbeast236 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

didn't say all people are did i? I absolutly belive that many people should recieve help and can even be cured, or taught to keep it under control and I think that resources should be donated to save these we are all human beings and we all have our struggles. however people who do terrible things beacuse of thier mental health issues such as murdering thier entire family well maybe those people are beyond the point of no return, and even if they were to return they still need to be held accountable for thier actions regardless of how in control they were at the time

[–]armadalol 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (19子コメント)

And you dehumanize him by saying he's defective.

[–]mugsybeans 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (14子コメント)

He did kill his parents and sister.

[–]zatoino 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is that out of the range of human behavior?

[–]Mysteryman64 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

For non-defective humans, yes, generally.

[–]armadalol 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what you're saying is that it's not out of the range of human behavior?

[–]generichum4n 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well better come collect me then. I'm "defective" with still living parents.

[–]TrollDetector2000 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think so but you're welcome to interpret it that way if you like.

[–]Mintykanesh 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think so. It's just a less politically correct way of saying exactly the same thing.

[–]generichum4n 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Something that has been broken can be fixed, while defective items are generally discarded or destroyed.

Defective has a much more negative connotation.

edit: Just noticed a very similar comment above, I promise I didn't steal this from it <3

[–]hideisalive 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh so if you complain you get a replacement?

[–]youareaspastic -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Your lack of empathy makes me think you are autistic. Can I call you defective?

[–]generichum4n 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sociopaths lack empathy, it's not uncommon for people who are autistic to suffer from having too much empathy.

[–]Sterling__Archer_ -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Good thing you're not a psychologist and your internet opinion means less than a handful of dirt. You're an idiot.

I am not autistic.

I do, however, have ADHD. You could call me defective. Not like I would really care, though.

[–]LouBond 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well I guess by your logic you would be defective.

[–]Perniciouss 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sick implies it can be cured or will go away. Defective is a better term.

[–]Clutch_22 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

In my opinion, defective is a little too de-humanizing

[–]GENERIC-WHITE-PERSON 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Kinda feel like killing your family is a little more dehumanizing. In this case, the strong word choice might be appropriate.

[–]GrandPumba 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

We're all humans whether you like to admit it or not.

[–]Perniciouss 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That doesn't mean some of us aren't extremely fucked up

[–]hideisalive -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its a school holiday. The kids are home being edgy.

[–]JourneymanWelder 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

there is nothing pretty cool about it

[–]DaPapaPope 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Defective perpetuates a really really awful stigma. That can sometimes ruin the lives of people who are mentally ill, ruin them even more than the illness to begin.

[–]Senseless-Insult 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I really don't think calling a teenager who murdered his parents "defective" will make his life any worse than the illness that made him kill his parents.

[–]DaPapaPope 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Defective implies he will never get better. Whereas I have worked with mental illness and seen these exact types of people become well.

[–]Senseless-Insult 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I wasn't implying otherwise. I just don't think you should assume a word is going to do more damage than the illness itself. That's just trying to push another image of its own.

[–]DaPapaPope 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know from experience the word does quite a bit of damage, even when the illness has been adequately treated.

[–]DaPapaPope 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

There are many people just like you, who perpetuate this idea that people with mental illnesses are defective. Not only do they use the word defective, but they will treat people with mental illnesses as if they are defective. Less than human almost.

Your use of the word defective, implies that these people are broken, unfixable.

[–]Perniciouss 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are broken and unfixable. The kid killed his parents and sister and you think you can "fix" him? If ever there was a god complex

[–]Senseless-Insult 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're just repeating yourself. I never said I use the word defective, I never said that it's a good word to use.

My feelings are that it's unfair to also call the use of a word more damaging than the problems themselves.

I have a mental illness, which I have dealt with for the past 10 years at least. But you can't sit there and tell me that someone calling me "defective" is going to hurt me more than a lifetime of having an illness. It's one thing to chastise a word, it's another to completely exaggerate the reasoning behind it.

[–]DaPapaPope 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't notice that you were not the person who used the word defective. That is my mistake.

Youre right maybe i was too strong in saying its worse than the illness itself. But its an awful word.

[–]awindwaker -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Words have a lot of power. Especially over emotions, and a word like that can definitely carry a lot of weight on a person.

[–]Senseless-Insult 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. But a poorly chosen word isn't going to hurt someone more than a disability they're suffering from.

[–]WraithPDX 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have never heard anyone refer to anyone as "defective" outside of a jesting or sarcastic context (and even then that's VERY rare), so I fail to see how it perpetuates a negative stigma when it's use is presumably rare enough that it hasn't had time to develop any seriously negative connotations towards the people you mention.

Defective is typically referring to an inanimate object, but there aren't any words that really refer so broadly to something being wrong with someone. Retarded suggests a diminished effectiveness so it doesn't work. Crippled/Disabled is the closest parallel I can think of to refer to a human being, but typically refers to a physical limitation rather than a mental one.

I don't mean any of these in a disparaging way, but in the purely clinical sense. Although I think the very fact people in this thread are jumping on people over their wording describing a boy who committed a particularly brutal and presumably premeditated murder is somewhat distressing.

[–]DaPapaPope 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As someone who WILL be a physician specializing in mental illness. Many patients come to you believing that having a mental illness means you're defective. They feel this way because its the stigma that society has perpetuated.

[–]Perniciouss 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a difference in being depressed and being a psychopath. One of those IS defective.

[–]CrimsonShrike 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But that sounds as if he was a replicant

[–]Smurfboy82 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We can also say "he was fucked up in the head or something."